Linux-Misc Digest #863, Volume #20 Wed, 30 Jun 99 15:13:16 EDT
Contents:
Linux Workshop ("ITTE")
Re: Can't get linux to open ("NEEDHELP")
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! (Larry)
Re: Default file permissions (Scott Lanning)
Re: Need Iomega Ditto 3200 (3.2G) Tape Drive info ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! (U.V. Ravindra)
Wordperfect and KDE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: xfree (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? ("Anthony D. Saxton")
Re: Apache "redirect" question ("Anders Rundegren")
Re: HELP ! verrry slloooww reading DAT tape (Danny Willis)
Re: booting linux from NT bootloader...don't work (Greg Steckman)
Command Line Interface For Linuxconf?? ("Ricky J. Sethi")
Problem with vgetty/mvm 1.2 ("Austin Wilson")
Re: Why are things so screwy ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RH6.0 - mouse problem in text mode (Neno)
Re: This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything) (Alex Lam)
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From: "ITTE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Workshop
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:21:59 GMT
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From: "NEEDHELP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't get linux to open
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:53:53 -0600
Many thanks for replies:
Unable to connect BootMagic to the active partition.
Did not load LILO. Do Not Like
>...
>NEEDHELP wrote:
>>
>> Have Linux set up on separate ( #4 ) Hard drive. When trying to open
Linux
>> from this drive, nothing happens.
>
>It is extremely rare that "nothing" happens on a computer. Post *what*
>happens.
>
>If nothing happens, you have a bad power supply. Replace it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: 30 Jun 1999 10:50:39 -0600
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:18:40 -0400, Walter Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Villy Kruse wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Cameron L. Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Spoken and written natural languages evolve. Early in Linux'
>> >lifetime there was a spec: Leenooks (rhymes with books) or Lye-nucks
>> >were okay, but Linnucks was rude. (The acceptable pronunciations
>> >were derived from Finnish and American pronunciations of the
>> >name "Linus." Mispronouncing a man's name is disrespectful.)
>>
>> Bout that is unavoidable as many continental pronounciations are
>> thongtwisters for English speakers. I do find it strange if
>> people say lainux instead if linux.
>
>Perhaps others pronounce Phoenix differently than I, but that is how I
>describe how to pronounce Linux.. lee nucks.. :)
>
>I have the sample that comes with Redhat, but Linus says it so fast it's
>hard to understand.. :)
There's another pronunciation to contend with. Here in The Plains of West
Texas it's Lye-nix.
So I think as long as everyone knows what everyone else is talking about,
Linus is right, it doesn't matter.
As long as it starts with and L and ends with an X, I think we all get the
idea. (:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Subject: Re: Default file permissions
Date: 30 Jun 1999 16:13:46 GMT
[snipped]
Tobias Anderberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: >> If I have a directory '/foo/bar', is it possible to set an
: >> "umask" on just that directory.
:
: But I would also like the permissions to change when you
: copy/move a file to that directory. Why? Just a fun thing.. :-)
As an idea, one might set PROMPT_COMMAND (in bash), which is
executed before each prompt is issued. That command could be
a shell script to check if the directory was modified. I can
think of hackish script which store directory size or listing,
then check against that. However, your objective is a moving
target, so it makes little sense for me to waste my time working
out a specific solution.
You also mentioned that you would make a new FS, but I think
that is a bit much (unless you just want to do it for fun) because
you could just make some pseudo-shell, perhaps one which checks if
/foo/bar was part of the command, then do something based on that.
But again, I'm uncertain of your goal, so that might be overkill
as well, and besides there is probably a simpler solution I'm not
thinking of.
--
Scott Lanning: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://physics.bu.edu/~slanning
"I do believe God gave me a spark of genius, but he quenched it
in misery." --Edgar Allan Poe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.hp.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Need Iomega Ditto 3200 (3.2G) Tape Drive info
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:40:03 -0700
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/30/99
at 09:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Boritz) said:
>Stay away from the Travan format and floppy controller tape drives,
>since there are no OS/2 programs on the market that can reliably
>operate them.
I respectfully disagree. While floppy tapes may not be the best
choice, I don't think they are a bad choice based on my own
experience. I'm using a QIC-3020 (Conner 3200) device with a
high-speed 2MBits/sec controller and have found it to be reliable and
quite speedy. I have had no problems, but I would consider going to
SCSI just to get a better user interface backup program such as
BackAgain/2.
I have used Seagate (now Veritas) Backup Exec, BackMaster and
Backmaster Ultra, andNova Back for OS/2. There's something about each
of them I hate, but Backup Exec works the best in spite of its
perfectly horrible and hated user interface. I have found all the
programs I tried to be reliable in that they can safely backup and
restore properly. But, again, this is not to say it is the best
solution, only that I have found it to be a satisfactory solution.
--
===========================================================
Bob Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (U.V. Ravindra)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: 30 Jun 1999 10:25:37 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:
> Spoken and written natural languages evolve. Early in Linux'
> lifetime there was a spec: Leenooks (rhymes with books) or Lye-nucks
> were okay, but Linnucks was rude. (The acceptable pronunciations
> were derived from Finnish and American pronunciations of the
> name "Linus." Mispronouncing a man's name is disrespectful.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As a person whose name has been repeatedly mispronounced (here
in the US as well as in my native country), I would have to disagree.
It's ignorance that most often drives the mispronunciation, rather
than disrespect. And ignorance is okay, as long as you're seriously
willing to learn, isn't it?
> But Linux evolves toward common sense, and the common sense answer
> "who cares" long ago replaced the earlier, more constrained answer.
> Good.
>
> Cameron
Oh, BTW, if you're wondering, I call it "lie-nux". The
'justification' I advance is: if the "U" in Unix is "yoo",
then the "I" in Linux must be "eye".
Aye?
--
Ravindra.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Wordperfect and KDE
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:33:10 GMT
Hi,
I am relatively new to Linux (RedHat 6) and i have a couple of questions i
hope someone can help me with
1) What file do i change to tell RedHat to start X windows automatically and
set the default environmnent to KDE?
2) I installed WordPerfect 8 off the RedHat CD, but i can't find a way to
uninstall it, other than deleting the directory i installed into.
thanks a lot
keith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: xfree
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:30:43 GMT
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:55:44 +0200, AB wrote:
>I've got the Suse6 version of Linux. I've just finish configure Xfree86 and
>it looks all right but sometimes the top of the screen is scowling. Does it
>mean that I didn't put the right frequency of my monitor ?
I'm assuming by "scowling" you mean lines or squiggles appearing on screen?
But yes - if the screen doesn't look right, it's likely the Horizontal and/
or vertical refresh. If you've got your modem manual, check the settings in
there - and instead of entering a preset value enter the value manually.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: "Anthony D. Saxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:31:04 GMT
Matthew Pritzker wrote:
> Anthony D. Saxton wrote:
>
> > SheepShaver's fine for those of us privilidged few using the PowerPC version
> > of linux. It won't help anyone that doesn't have a PREP, BeBox or PowerMac
> > though.
>
> Given that SheepShaver started out on the BeBox, I find that hard to
> believe. All you need is a MacOS ROM image, and given that iMac and
> later systems have the ROM sitting as a file in the System Folder, it
> shouldn't be especially hard for you to acquire one.
>
> --
> --------------------
> Matthew Pritzker Graduate Research Assistant
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] IU Physics Dept.
The BeBox contains 2 603e PowerPC processors. SheepShaver is not, nor has it ever
been a processor emulation. It actually runs MacOS native on the PowerPC
processor. SheepShaver for BeOS only runs on PowerPC platforms. Yes. You would
need the ROM images if you're not running it on a Mac, but to use SheepShaver in
Linux, you would need a PowerPC system such a BeBox, PREP or CHRP.
Tony
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From: "Anders Rundegren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Apache "redirect" question
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:17:42 -0700
Yes... this is a great idea but does only solve the problem of accessing the
toppage! I would like to have it work like the example below! More ideas?
http://myserver.com -> http://otherserver.com/~user24/
http://myserver.com/info/ -> http://otherserver.com/~user24/info/
http://myserver.com/info/new/ -> http://otherserver.com/~user24/info/new/
Again, I would like to keep the first address in the URL-field but
displaying the content found in the second URL.
Thanx // Anders
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Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP ! verrry slloooww reading DAT tape
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Willis)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:35:03 GMT
Chris Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Just to let everyone know, I have found a work around....but I would
>still like to be able to read the tape using the "tar" command.
>I was able to use the "mt setblk 1024" to set the tape size and then
>"dd if=/dev/st0 of=dump bs=1024" followed by a "tar -xvf dump". Great,
>it reads at between 10 and 15Mb / minute. Changing "bs=xxx" to anything
>else slows everything dowm by orders of magnitude.
I never tried using "defblk". I just checked the man page, and it says
"defblksize" sets the default block size, whereas "setblk" only sets
it for the current tape. I've used setblk -- actually setblk 0, which says
"block size could be anything so do your best", and that worked at your
10-15 MB per minute speed on a DDS1 drive (doing straight tar -xvf -- I
don't know why you needed to go via dd).
Maybe defblksize doesn't actually work. Or maybe there's something funny
about your drive firmware that confuses the scsi driver.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www2.shore.net/~dannyw
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From: Greg Steckman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: booting linux from NT bootloader...don't work
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:19:35 -0700
Check what numbers you are getting and then check the LILO docs because near the
end they detail what each step of the boot process is, and what it means when
each letter of L-I-L-O gets printed out. Also the numbers you see tell you the
errors. For instance I was getting an L and then 01 01 01 forever, telling me
there was a problem accessing the map file - adding the linear option helped in
my case (large drive - old BIOS ('95)...go figure). Sorry I can't be more
specific, but I only have experience with the problems I was having with my 8.4
gig drive..but I too was using the NT bootloader. If you get any part of LILO
printed out, then it is safe to say (I think) that the NT bootloader is loading
the bootsect.lin file you made, so the problem would then be with the LILO
configuration.
-Greg
Andreas wrote:
> hi,
>
> i just installed redhat 60 on my pc
> i have two harddisk first is /dev/sda contains winNT on a FAT partition and
> two NTFS formatted partitions (1gb, 2x1.5gb)
> second (primary on ide) is /dev/hda with small FAT (200mb) hda1 conatins
> win95 and hda2 (200mb) with the linux root partition
> (therefore its within the first 1024 sectors, right)
> both as primary partitions an extended contains a swap part. and /usr as
> well as another two FAT partions (2x2gb)
>
> NT boots win95 fine and i now added the linux entry to boot.ini after
> copying the linux bootsector to sda1 (the one nt boots from)
> (dd if=/dev/hda2 of=bootsect.lin bs=512 count=1
> boot.ini:
> c:\bootsect.lin=linux)
>
> when trying to boot it brings me several numbers to the screen which
> actually don't stop .....
> from bootdisk everything is just fine.
>
> anybody has an idea what's going wrong?
>
> ...the question is NOT why i want to have that much of windows running on my
> pc!
>
> thanks
> Andy
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From: "Ricky J. Sethi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Command Line Interface For Linuxconf??
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:42:07 -0700
Hi guys,
Does anyone know if there's a command line interface for linuxconf? I tried
to going to it's homesite but I haven't been able to get through for a
while. I've setup virtual email domains using linuxconf but I'm having the
damndest time figuring out how to adapt my scripts to use the virtual
domain. E.g., I've got some scripts that rely on passwd, useradd, etc. but
none of them have an option to specify that they should use the virtual
domain's config files (e.g., /etc/passwd, etc.) instead of the normal one.
Anyone else have a similar problem?
Thanks in advance,
Rick.
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From: "Austin Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Problem with vgetty/mvm 1.2
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:56:35 +1000
Hi
I have a problem with vgetty/mvm. Whenever I try to do something that
involves writing to the harddrive (eg leaving a message or creating an
account) it gives an error and stops. The error messages are:
vgetty: Nested command in shell script
vgetty: could not write to shell
vgetty: Could not handle event, something failed
See below for more detail from the vgetty.ttyS1 log.
I suspect it has something to do with file permissions, but I can't seem to
figure it out.
Also there is a comment in the voice_script.sh file under the BUGS section
that it should not be run under root. What does this mean and how to I
prevent it running under root?
Thanks
Austin
06/29 11:45:04 yS1 vgetty: experimental test release 0.9.1 / 17Nov98
06/29 11:45:04 yS1 mgetty: experimental test release 1.1.19-Nov24
06/29 11:45:04 yS1 reading generic configuration from config file
/etc/mgetty+sendfax/voice.conf
06/29 11:45:04 yS1 reading program vgetty configuration from config file
/etc/mgetty+sendfax/voice.conf
06/29 11:45:04 yS1 reading port ttyS1 configuration from config file
/etc/mgetty+sendfax/voice.conf
06/29 11:45:04 yS1 check for lockfiles
06/29 11:45:04 yS1 locking the line
06/29 11:45:05 yS1 lowering DTR to reset Modem
06/29 11:45:06 yS1 send: \dATQ0V1H0[0d]
06/29 11:45:06 yS1 waiting for ``OK'' ** found **
06/29 11:45:06 yS1 send: ATS0=0Q0&D3&C1[0d]
06/29 11:45:06 yS1 waiting for ``OK'' ** found **
06/29 11:45:06 yS1 mdm_send: 'ATI'
06/29 11:45:06 yS1 Generic Rockwell modem (33600)
06/29 11:45:06 yS1 mdm_send: 'ATI3'
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 mdm_send: 'ATI4'
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 additional info: 'Tasmanian Devil 336iv'
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 modem quirks: 0004
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 mdm_send: 'AT+FCLASS=2' -> ERROR
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 mdm_send: 'AT+FCLASS=2.0' -> ERROR
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 mdm_send: 'AT+FCLASS=2' -> ERROR
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 detecting voice modem type
06/29 11:45:07 yS1 Rockwell detected
06/29 11:45:08 yS1 initializing ROCKWELL voice modem
06/29 11:45:09 yS1 waiting...
06/29 11:45:40 yS1 wfr: waiting for ``RING''
06/29 11:45:40 yS1 wfr: waiting for ``RING''
06/29 11:45:43 yS1 wfr: waiting for ``RING''
06/29 11:46:22 yS1 reading ring_type ring configuration from config file
/etc/mgetty+sendfax/voice.conf
06/29 11:46:23 yS1 vgetty: Executing shell script
/usr/lib/mvm/voice_script.sh with shell /bin/sh
06/29 11:46:24 yS1 playing voice file
/var/spool/voice/messages/select_language
06/29 11:46:28 yS1 playing voice file
/var/spool/voice/messages/welcome_here
06/29 11:46:32 yS1 playing voice file /var/spool/voice/main/welcome
06/29 11:46:44 yS1 playing voice file
/var/spool/voice/messages/leave_message
06/29 11:46:53 yS1 recording voice file
/var/spool/voice/mailboxes/0/msg_990629114644_from_-1_1341
06/29 11:47:09 yS1 vgetty: Nested command in shell script
06/29 11:47:09 yS1 vgetty: could not write to shell
06/29 11:47:09 yS1 vgetty: Could not handle event, something failed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Why are things so screwy ?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:07:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Pacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vod:
>
> If you really want to install cutting edge stuff from source, then
> you'll have to learn a lot about what's going on. I tried this for
> months and got not too far, and I have a fair amount of computing
> experience including programming. Frankly I don't have the time or the
> energy just now to get deeply involved in the details of how
> applications work under linux, how the libraries work, etc, though I
> would love to. Having a full time job prevents me from doing so. I
> suppose you are in the same situation.
Same here, Pacey having a 9 to 5 job doesnt leave much time
for hobbies. All the more reason for frustation.
Thanks anyway.
> Best of luck, please stay calm.
(counting 10...9....8...7...6..5..zzzzz)
> Michael Pacey
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> vod wrote:
> >
> > hi there,
> >
> > These dayz i spend more time *trying* to get things to
> > work on Linux than actually doing anything productive.
> > It seems almost 80% of time is spent trying to compile *tar_gz
> > files and rpm'ing rpms that i download.
> > And more than half the times they dont compile straight-away.
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> > ======
> > Any tips or solutions or comments to my above mentioned problems
would
> > be very welcome and much appreciated.
> >
> > * I am running Redhat 5.2 .
> >
> > --regards--
> > -V0D-
>
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From: Neno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,it.comp.linux,it.comp.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,tin.it.computer.pc.linux
Subject: RH6.0 - mouse problem in text mode
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:21:27 +0200
I am running RH6.0 and have a normal serial logitech mouse (3 buttons)
on /dev/ttyS0 configured by mouseconfig as "Microsoft" type. (I guess it
is an alias for "ms").
In X mode my mouse works perfectly.
In text mode with the gpm daemon running, I see the mouse moving as I
want and the copy & paste feature works too.
The problem is when I run Midnight Commander. The buttons don't work (I
cannot pull down the menus, moving through the directories and so on).
Something much strange happen when using Lynx. The left button doesn't
work and pressing the middle one, lynx seems to enter in a loop moving
everywhere, changing url, saving configurations (???).
Running the mev utility I can see the mouse events are trapped correctly
(each button is identified, press and release events too, movements too
and so on).
Before using RH6.0 I have used for a few days a Debian distribution and
in that case the mouse was working correctly both in text and X modes.
Another thing I don't understand:
Running linuxconf (both in text mode or within KDE and with my mouse
moving on the screen), and quitting without making any change, it says
the status is not in sync with the current configuration and when I ask
to see what is to be updated it says that '/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S85gpm start'
is to be executed.
Is out there someone with a suggestion ?
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:33:09 -0700
Larry wrote:
>
> On 28 Jun 1999 21:17:23 GMT, Brad Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >This is my favorite Linux site (it has everything) Http:\\209.35.64.222
> >check it out as soon as you can. Lots of downloads.
> >
>
> The site sucks and you should be canned for incompetence.
You can tell this spammer is a Winblows user by using Http:\\
instead of http://
Oh well... Too much M$ can cause brain damage.
Alex Lam.
--
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** no more M$ Windoze.
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