Linux-Misc Digest #863, Volume #27 Tue, 15 May 01 06:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Odd Lilo Dual-Boot Behavior ("Eric")
Re: Where is the 'crypt' prog (Villy Kruse)
Re: open ports (Claus Atzenbeck)
Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop? ("Florian Schmidt")
Re: Problem compiling Ed-0.2 ("Peet Grobler")
eth0 configuration problem ("Karel Claessens")
Re: configuring sound on debian stable (wroot)
Help with customized install CD ("Charles Williams \(CEO\)")
Re: Linux in college & high school (GreyCloud)
Re: Recommendation for GUI e-mail client? ("Wayne Osborn")
Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install (Tim Haynes)
System.map and multiple kernel versions. ("Wayne Osborn")
RTC module? (Claus Atzenbeck)
Re: My Linux Experience ("Wayne Osborn")
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Odd Lilo Dual-Boot Behavior
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:46:25 +0200
> >> help me with the testing. Now, ever since LILO changed to use
> >> map-drive instead of the any_d loader, Win has always seen the Linux
> >> partition as an "unformatted" drive (drive G: on my setup). It would
> >> complain about "drive G" every time the anti-virus software was run or
> >> when the trash bin was emptied or when I'd accidently click the drive
> >> in windows explorer. But ever since Slack was up those 5 days, Win no
> >> longer sees the Linux partition in any of those cases (just as Win
> >> didn't see the Linux partition back in the any_d loader days).
> >
> >Windows does *not* see the linux partition, and it never will.
> >Windows will see extended partitions (type 0x05/0x0F).
> >And it expects a windows partition inside. If that's not there, it'll
> >assign a drive letter to the extended partition. That's probably what you
> >have seen. It can be solved in the partitiontable. If an extended
partition
> >contains only linux logicals, make the extended partition type 0x85. That
> >way, windows will never be able to see that drive again.
> >
>
> Perhaps I should have put " " around the seen to make you happy? I
> know it can't read the Linux partition. My point was Windows always
That's not what I meant.
It will not ever read the FS on the partition, but you knew that.
What I said, is that it will never detect the partition at all.
Period.
Windows detects partitions on the ID they have according to the
partitiontable (This is not necessarily related to the FS on that
partition!)
As linux ID's 0x82 0x83 and 0x85 are unknown to windows, it will
never see them.
> detected its presence in some way, shape or form (easiest word to
> express this concept in my part of the world is seen)... until the
> machine was left on for 5 days straight. So you did a good job at
> picking apart semantics, but you didn't do squat to answer my
> question.
No, I did answer it. You didn't understand my answer. That's an
entirely different issue.
Try reading it again.
> So let me restate my question: Would there be a normal nightly cron
> process that would, as part of its NORMAL operations, make changes
> those changes that you stated (or any other changes that would render
> the Linux partition "invisible" to the Windows one)? Or has someone
> got into my machine and been dinking around with the settings.
Windows does what windows does. I have no clue why anything changes.
But hey, you reboot windows, and find a system different then you left
behind.
It states explicitly sometimes: reboot now for the changes to take effect!
But the thing you have seen, most likely has to do with chnages in the
partition
table. Show it if you want input on your table: `/sbin/fdisk -l
/dev/hd[a-d]`
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Where is the 'crypt' prog
Date: 15 May 2001 06:48:18 GMT
On Tue, 15 May 2001 02:37:03 +0000 (UTC),
David Efflandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 14 May 2001 18:55:52 -0300, * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Where can I find the Linux port of the Unix 'crypt' program?
>> It is far less secure than pgp but I find it convenient for me.
>
>man crypt
>perldoc -f crypt
>
>But crypt is one way (for passwords), and it sounds like you might be
>looking for something else that can encrypt and decrypt.
>
It is that, too. In the old days unix systems came with a program called
crypt, and for example vi has -x option to invoke crypt on the file you
are about to edit. The crypt was only available in the US due to export
restrictions at the time.
The openssl package, and PGP as well I beleive, comes with commands to do
des encryption of files.
Villy
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From: Claus Atzenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open ports
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:01:44 +0200
Frank Ranner wrote on Dienstag, 15. Mai 2001 03:51:
Thanks a lot for your help!
> required. In any
> case you should look at blocking those ports from the Internet. Use one
> of the Internet based
> scanner web sites to scan you from 'out there' to see if your ports are
> visible. If so, look
> into one of the many tutorials on locking down your system.
Do you have the URL of such a service and/or a good tutorial?
Claus
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From: "Florian Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:08:29 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Professor J
Frink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>That's not what I was asking about. Most window managers (at least for
>>the past 10 years or so) support a virtual desktop size that is
>>independant of the X11 virtual screen size.
>
> Care to name some? I haven't seen this in fvwm1/2, twm, kde1/2,
> afterstep, icewm, olvwm or a whole host of wms I haven't used for years.
> What exactly are meaning by "virtual desktop" here?
>
> I could have missed something of course.
i feel the need to clarify some.. i think what the ot meant, was this
nifty feature of multiple desktops. kde does this, too. but with aminor
difference. in some wm's, if u push a window half out to the side of one
desktop, the other half will appear on the next virtual desktop. this
feature is independent of virtual screens as supported by X.
this means, if one window overlaps and a button is not reachable, just
change to the next desktop, and u will find your button there.
--
florian schmidt
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From: "Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem compiling Ed-0.2
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:16:43 +0200
Mine didn't even compile outside of the chrooted environment.
How would you create that symlink? ln -s ed vi -e?
Michael Pye wrote in message ...
>Apparently vi -e works the same as ed. I might just forget it and create a
>simlink to vi emulating ed.
>
>Annoying thing is, I get a different error each time. Once it even compiled
>correctly, but I wasn't in the chrooted environment so it was build against
>the wrong libraries. Never got it to work again though...
>
>MP
>
>"Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3aff7f80$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Strange enough... I build a Linux from Scratch this weekend as well. Got
>the
>> same problem, though I cannot remember the exact messages. I continued to
>> install the other software, and the machine is now completely installed,
>> except for ed. I've tried installing it now, once the machine is fully
>> installed, but no luck, same problem.
>>
>> Maybe, if you have the exact make error messages, you should post them to
>a
>> forum on www.linuxfromscratch.org, or open a bug report for it, or
>> something.
>>
>> Please let me know what you do, since I need to get this resolved as
well.
>>
>> Michael Pye wrote in message ...
>> >I'm building a Linux from Scratch system and I am receiving an error
>about
>> a
>> >function being defined twice while making Ed-0.2
>> >
>> >I have tried the copy from both the LFS site and the GNU site, but
>neither
>> >will compile. I am using the latest versions of both gcc and the glibc
>> >(2.95.3 and 2.2.2). I can't find any patches like the one used to solve
a
>> >similar problem in the findutils-4.1 package.
>> >
>> >Has anyone else come across this or a way around it?
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >MP
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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From: "Karel Claessens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: eth0 configuration problem
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:30:44 +0200
Hello,
I guess I will need the help of more experienced LINUX fans...
I'm new to LINUX and had a RedHat 5.2 CD lying around for some time.
So I went through the install process without problems (Kernel 2.2.14-5.0).
Everything worked, including eth0 which was recognized as a RTL8139 (the
same as in Windows PnP).
I then did a recompile of a 'new' kernel, not too far away from the
original since this was just a first try and I didn't want too much
differences to start with.
I installed 2.2.16 and my kernel size shrunk by 2/3th of the original size.
Configuring the kernel I noticed that I couldn't select the RTL8139 module.
In xconfig I saw it was present and I could select the help, but the entry
was and remained shaded (not selectable).
I added the entry (CONFIG_RTL8139=y) manually to the .CONFIG and compiled.
I see the module being processed, but after booting the card isn't found
anymore.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong...
I think it is strange that I'm not able to select the entry during the
config... Why?
Thanks for any help,
Karel Claessens
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: wroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: configuring sound on debian stable
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:45:56 -0400
Peter T. Breuer wrote:
> wroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>
>>>> (same IO & IRQ as with Redhat)
>>> That makes no odds. It's your hardware that you need to take notice of,
>>> not redhat.
>
>> My hardware didn't change when I installed Debian. Why should I use
>
> Your hardware certainly DID change. It's PNP. That means that it's
> configured by software. Ipso facto, when the software changes, the
> hardware changes.
>
>> different IRQ parameters?
>
> In this case you are confused because the irq and io parameters are
> not constants, they are what you set them too. If you don't decide to
> set them, the kernel or another isapnp system will decide for you, and
> thereafter it is your duty to follow the hardware/softwares decision.
OK, I have only 2 PnP devices. LT Win Modem is not used. This leaves the
sound card only, so there's no interference with other devices. Can I give
it any IRQ? Can I give it the same IRQ that I had on Redhat? If yes, then
why doesn't it work. In fact, I tried all IRQs allowable by the card. Same
error.
I don't know what else to try. pnpdump gives the same output as pnpdump -c.
I have no idea as to how to interprete its output though.
Doing | grep -i cs4232 gives nothing. What is the
significance of doing isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf and what should that file
look like? Should I edit it after pnpdump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf ?
>>>> $ dmesg
>>>> isapnp: Card 'LT Win Modem'
>>>> isapnp: Card 'Onboard PnP Audio'
>>>> isapnp: 2 Plug & Play cards detected total
>>>> snd: isapnp detection failed and probing for CS4232 is not supported
>>>> snd: CS4232 soundcard #1 not found at 0x534 or device busy
>>>> snd: CS4232 soundcard #2 not found or device busy
>>>
>>> Indeed - take isapnp detection out of the kernel. Use pnpdump and
>>> isapnp to configure the isa hardware to the irq and ioport
>>> you desire.
Strangely, dmesg didn't change after I took PnP support out of the kernel
(???) It still says "isapnp: ...."
Thanks
Wroot
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From: "Charles Williams \(CEO\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with customized install CD
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:31:22 +0200
Hello,
I have a Cobalt appliance (hehe). anyway, I also have the 4i restore CD for
said raq and am in need of booting direct from the cd for a restore..
The problem is that the raq is designed to ONLY restore across a net
connection. Stupid if you ask me.
The raq we got was used and the warrenty was already void so we had no
problems installing a cdrom to the unit. Looks a bit funny though. :)
Anyway, I could provide a complete copy of the restore cd ISO for download
to anyone interested in helping with this. I need to be able to restore
DIRECT from the CD not across the net with netboot.
Any help welcome.
Thanks
chuck
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:53:17 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001 01:45:04 GMT, Mudshark wrote:
>
> >The high-school is a fantastic place to introduce linux. there are
> >tons of older 486 machines lying about with vga monitors everywhere,
> >hell, slap linux on every one of them, and you have a state of the art
> >programming/ tcp/ip networking environment in no time.
> >
> >Kandah
>
> Wonderful idea!
>
> I donate Linux CD's and books to the local library all the time.
> Somebody has to compete with all of the landscaping books on the
> shelves.
>
> For those of you who don't live on Long Island NY your lawn is your
> life. It's got to look like a golf course or you can't show your face
> outside.
> I buck the trend having a completely organic lawn with no chemicals
> and it looks natural but nice at the same time.
>
> And these people wonder why L.I. has the highest incidence of breast
> cancer in the USA.
>
I'm glad I live on the west coast in the boonies. Right now the air is
perfumed with blossoming trees and wild shrubs. Only mowed my lawn once
this year. No pollution yet... but not for long.
> flatfish
--
V
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From: "Wayne Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recommendation for GUI e-mail client?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:14:54 +0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bj�rn T Johansen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendation for an e-mail client I can use under
> Linux? Preferrably it should be able to show HTML mail and support at
> least POP3. And it doesn't matter if it is an ordinary X11 application
> or KDE/GNOME application.
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> BTJ
Balsa and Spruce.
--
Wayne A. Osborn, SCADA Engineer.[dnar AT iinet DOT net DOT au]
Registered Linux User #212818. [2.2.16-22-Win4Lin-686] [i686]
5:10pm up 5:06, 2 users, load average: 2.22, 2.13, 1.77
...COMPASS [for the CDC-6000 series] is the sort of assembler one expects from
a corporation whose president codes in octal.
-- J.N. Gray
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From: Tim Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install
Date: 15 May 2001 10:13:09 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Anthony DeRobertis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Haynes"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Why is this flamebait?
>
> Because it won't run on the OP's system?
Why wouldn't it run on the OP's system?
~Tim
--
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From: "Wayne Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: System.map and multiple kernel versions.
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:22:26 +0800
Just curious as to the requirement for /boot/system.map when you have
multiple kernel versions setup in lilo.
For instance, if I upgrade my 2.2.16 kernel to 2.4.4 and want the option
to support both with lilo, what system.map should I have in /boot ?
Thanks in advance, and a big thanks to all in this NG and other Linux
NG's for that matter that have taught me so much.
--
Wayne A. Osborn, SCADA Engineer.[dnar AT iinet DOT net DOT au]
Registered Linux User #212818. [2.2.16-22-Win4Lin-686] [i686]
5:10pm up 5:06, 2 users, load average: 2.22, 2.13, 1.77
...COMPASS [for the CDC-6000 series] is the sort of assembler one expects from
a corporation whose president codes in octal.
-- J.N. Gray
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From: Claus Atzenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RTC module?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:28:46 +0200
For VMware I need RTC compiled on my system, but it seem that the Mandrake
8.0 standard kernel does not have this feature.
I did menuconfig and saw that there is already an option "Enhanced Real
Time Clock Support" with <m> (for modul), although it was the 1st time that
I started config on this system.
Two quesions on that:
1) Is this the RTC feature (for /dev/rtc) which I need for VMware?
2) Does the <m> mean that it is already compiled in the kernel? How can I
check this? In case it is, how can I activate this module?
Ups, I just realized that I have such a module:
[claus@thor 2.4.3-20mdk]$ find /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/ -name "*rtc*"
/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/video/matrox/matroxfb_crtc2.o.gz
Do I just need to unpack it? (which one?) Or do I have to do some more
configuration on my system.
(Sorry for these newbie questions, but on compiling kernels I am just a
bloody newbie...)
Thanks for any hint!
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From: "Wayne Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Linux Experience
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:36:27 +0800
<snip-world>
Your questions have been previously answered. Following is my short but
sweet summary of MY experience.
I first dabbled with Linux in 1999 - RedHat 6.0 on a system purchased for
the exercise, a 466 Celeron Intel LX440 mobo with 10GB Quantum EIDE,
generic 10/100 NIC, 5 year old SB16, Generic 40x CR-ROM, Mitsubish
12xCR-RW, Permedia II 8MB AGP, HP 5P laser. - phew.
I don't want to make you feel bad, but RH6 found ALL hardware first go.
This system was experimental, to get a feel for Linux (I have regular
UNIX experience) and to try VMware, Wine etc in a hope to "fling"
Windows. I was not totally convinced Linux was ready.
Approx 2 months ago, totally fed up with Win95, Win98, WinNT4 I took
up the initiative to have another look - RedHat 7.0 this time. Same
system hardware. Again no prob's installing, setup ppp over dial-up modem
Ok, tried Win4Lin / Windows 95 and WOW!!!!!!!!! I'm in heaven.
Finally, several weeks ago, ALL FAT32 partitions were given their final
marching orders. Now running 100% Linux, 100% Ext2, Windows 95 under
Win4Lin to support my legacy Windozer app's and I could not be happier.
Oh, that's right, I could be happier! I am eyeing off a Dual-Duron
Overclocked to 1GHz setup now! Should help with the Genome@home stuff...
Linus, I love you!
--
Wayne A. Osborn, SCADA Engineer.[dnar AT iinet DOT net DOT au]
Registered Linux User #212818. [2.2.16-22-Win4Lin-686] [i686]
5:20pm up 5:16, 2 users, load average: 2.55, 2.19, 1.93
...The number of arguments is unimportant unless some of them are correct.
-- Ralph Hartley
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