Linux-Misc Digest #870, Volume #20 Wed, 30 Jun 99 23:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Permissions - why can a user delete a file not his own? (Adrian Hands)
Video timings (Dave Hammond)
PC doesn't boot in NT after Linux installation (M A Aziz Ahmed)
Re: linx vs hurd (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Meaning of word ,,hacker'' (Scott Lanning)
Re: Best sound card for use w/ Linux? (Michel Catudal)
Re: Real Audio Play for RH 6.0 (coffee)
init running *wild* (Scott Moseman)
Re: An "ls" question (Cameron Hutchison)
Re: Setting up a mail server on RH 6.0 (Mark A)
Linux insurance ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [NEED] RPM GUI ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Meaning of word ,,hacker'' (Paul Anderson)
Redirecting logs to terminal ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SuSE 6.1 anyone? (Michel Catudal)
Re: Docbook? Linuxdoc? Re: Documentation issues. (Mark Galassi)
Re: An "ls" question (Cameron Hutchison)
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.slackware,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Permissions - why can a user delete a file not his own?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:20:23 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas Cameron wrote:
>
> I have a group call acct (GID 504). The users beth (UID 510) and thomas
> (UID 508) are members. Their primary group membership is to group users
> (GID 100).
>
> I have a directory called acct, owned by user root and group acct, and
> ls -l shows its permissions are like this:
>
> drwxrwx-- 2 root acct 1024 Jun 30 17:16 acct
>
> I need all acct group members to be able to write files to this
> directory, but I do not want them to be able to delete other users'
> files in the directory.
>
> In that directory, I have a file called tcdata, and ls -l shows
> permissions set as follows:
>
> -rw-r--r-- 1 thomas users 50 Jun 30 17:15 tcdata
>
> That tells me that user thomas can modify it, but no one else can.
> However, when beth logs in, if she rm's the file, it asks if she wants
> to override permissions 0644. When she says yes, the file is gone.
>
> What am I missing? What do I do to make it so that folks can create
> files, modify their own files, but not delete or modify other folks'
> files?
>
> Thanks!
> Thomas Cameron
Normally, Whether or not you can DELETE a file depends on the
permissions on the DIRECTORY,
NOT the permissions on the file.
I think you can get the behavior you want like this:
$ chmod +t acct
Incidentally, the "-ld" option is usefull on "ls" when you want to see
the permissions on a directory.
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From: Dave Hammond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.help
Subject: Video timings
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:38:12 -0400
I'm trying to configure XFree86 for my monitor (CTX VL700),
but have no clue how to determine the video timings. I've
read the video timings how-to, but it's far over my head.
The scan rate for 1024x768 is 68.7 Khz horizontal and
85 Hz vertical.
Can anyone help with the correct dot clock and video timings?
Thanks!
--
DaveH
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From: M A Aziz Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PC doesn't boot in NT after Linux installation
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:27:12 -0400
Hi,
I just installed Linux in a PC already running Win NT. Though the linux
installation was successful, the PC refuses to boot in NT mode (it boots well
in Linux mode). Some huge amount of data is dumped on the screen by some
application called ntoskrnl.exe.
In fact, it doesn't boot in MS-DOS either, it says
"Non-system disk or disk boot failure".
Could someone please point out the reasons for this behavior and ways to
rectify it?
There is no apparent damage done to the hard-disk because the PC can be booted
in Windows through a floppy disk. The contents of the harddisk appear to be
quite safe.
Thanks in advance,
Aziz.
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Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 30 Jun 1999 21:19:40 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (wiliam choehen) writes:
> hurd are much better becuse of the micro kernel then linux it will
> be more used becuse its faster and more sabel and linux time its
> gone the killer apilcaion was network network are now commen so the
> next will be robot remot coontrol software or satllit operater
> software or maybe gen analzyewr software ?
if you're gonna troll, you need to learn how to do a better job.
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Subject: Re: Meaning of word ,,hacker''
Date: 1 Jul 1999 02:02:33 GMT
David Hwang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: When I was at school (MIT), hacker typically referred to a clever
: programmer, but "hacks" in general were not limited to software.
: Hacks were also clever pranks, and sometimes "hacking" also
: referred to exploring the "off-limits" parts of the Institute.
Heh heh, right before Star Wars came out, they transformed
the Dome into R2D2. :)
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indifference of play which is in its greatest levity at the same time
the most sublime and indeed the only true seriousness." --Georg Hegel
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Best sound card for use w/ Linux?
Date: 30 Jun 1999 21:24:03 -0500
David Fox wrote:
>
> According to listening tests at
> http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/summary/index.htm the SB Live has
> only mediocre fidelity. Certainly not the best.
>
Their emulation of SB16 is what sucks.
If ran under winblows it works great and sound good.
My friend has been unable to get it to work under Linux so to
say that it is a good choice would be a poor judgment call.
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From: coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real Audio Play for RH 6.0
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:02:26 -0400
Kelvin Leung wrote:
>
> Yes, there is a alpha version of G2 from real.com, I forget the URL,
> anyone knows? It's in www.real.com.
Yep, FOund it in my history folder. Good thing I still have it. I think
Ill add it to my foot note.
http://proforma.real.com/mario/player/player.html
In RH6.0 I found that I had to disable esd sound to get sound from
realplayer.
--
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From: Scott Moseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: init running *wild*
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:38:16 -0500
Running Slackware with 2.2.9 and KDE for weeks now on my new AMD 400 box.
Just installed xfstt (truetype font server) and noticed that my "init"
process seems to be sucking up almost 90% CPU constantly. I can kill xfstt
and it still persists, so I do not know if that has anything to do with it
or not. Rebooting and kill -HUP'ing the process does nothing. Anyone have
this problem before? Or have any ideas? Thanks.
Scott Moseman
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From: Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An "ls" question
Date: 1 Jul 1999 01:21:58 GMT
Johannes Nix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> So, Carl, did you just miss it in the man page, muck up your debian install
>> or are you just lying here trying to discredit linux?
>>
>sorry, I think this is very bad style. It is probable that Carl tells
>the truth. On my own system, there are no info pages for many GNU
>tools, only a reference to the info pages.
I will apologise to Carl, now, publically.
Carl, I apologise if you feel I have called you a liar or stooge, or if I
have maligned you in any way.
On my Debain system the man page did contain the info. Silly me assumed
that 2.X == 2.1. Debian 2.1 has fileutils 3.16. Debian 2.2 (unreleased) has
fileutils 4.0. The manpage in the 4.0 release has taken a step backwards
and has removed the description from the options.
>It think it is not fair to name another person a liard if you are not
>sure about this and cannot prove that.
To be fair, I didn't actually Carl a liar. It's pedantic perhaps, but I'm a
pedantic bastard, and I never meant for it to be interpretted the way some
of you have. (notice that I explained why I thought he may be lying - it
was meant to be more of a stab at micros~1 and their underhand techniques,
rather than to be overly critical of Carl)
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From: Mark A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Setting up a mail server on RH 6.0
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:17:23 -0400
Jim:
I am in the *very* early planning stages of doing something similar. I
have a LAN at my office, composed mostly of Win95/98 machines. I have a
cable modem hooked up to my Linux box, and want to use that to retrieve
the e-mail from the ISP, then act as a mail server for the rest of the
LAN.
I have seen several "add-on" mail client and server programs listed,
such as Balsa and Fetchmail. I have not tried any of them, and don't
really know what I am doing (yet).
Would any of those programs be helpful for you?
Jim Orfanakos wrote:
>
> I have setup my Linux RH 6.0 system as a DNS serevr and a DHCP server...now
> I want to set it up as a mail server. I have another Linux RH 6.0
> workstation and a WIN 98 workstation that I am testing with.
>
> I have my own domain setup, and am testing with sending mail to:
>
> 1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] from any host
> 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] from any host
> 3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] from from any host
> 4) user from any host
>
> Everything works fine if I use ELM or PINE from the Linux workstation or the
> Linux server.
>
> The problem is that Netscape Messenger on the Linux server, Netscape
> Messenger on the Linux workstation, and Outlook Express on the WIN98
> workstation cannot establish a connection when sending and receiving mail.
> Actually....it appears that all will send, but none of them will receive.
>
> I suspect the problem is with POP3 / SMTP configuration on the RH 6.0
> server. Netscape and Outlook Express want a POP3 server for incoming mail,
> and a SMTP server for outgoing mail. The RH 6.0 Linuxconf tool for setting
> up a mail server only uses POP for the protocol. There is no separate
> incoming and separate outgoing protocol configuration, plus from the pull
> downs, Linuxconf only supports POP, SMTP, or UUCP.
>
> I want to set the mail server up so it can server any e-mail client.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Jim, Monika and Sophia Orfanakos
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.orfanakos.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
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Mark S. Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux insurance
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 01:57:31 GMT
Hi all,
I had an intersting thought and wanted some feedback on it from the
Linux community.
I was wondering if there is a need/market for Linux insurance. Maybe
something like uptime insurance would make sense. For example, if a
company is evaluating servers and is considering Linux and WinNT and
maybe something else, in many cases Linux will loose because it is "not
supported". In some cases the technical people involved may prefer
Linux but not be able to or willing to push the case through to the
people who sign the checks. If it was possile to get insurance such
that if the Linux server crashes the insured is paid money then that
could alleviate much of the caution especially since this is something
MS would never offer.
There would certainly be a lot of financial and technical research
necessary before someone could provide this service but I think that it
is theoretically possible. So, my question is, do you know of any
people that would be willing to pay for this type of insurance?
Of course to be come insured the insured system would need to be
inspected and possibly even inspected on a regular basis. Also terms
and conditions would exist (e.g., typing 'reboot' does not count as the
server crashing). Also the level of insurance would be dependant on the
payments (as is the case with all insurances).
One reason that I think this is particularly viable is that I know of a
number of Linux servers that never crash. They may not have enormous
uptimes but that is bacause of outside factors (e.g., the desire to
upgrade the kernel, etc).
Anyway, that's the idea, comments are welcome.
--Rainer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: [NEED] RPM GUI
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 01:55:29 GMT
Have you tried glint? I'm not sure if it will do everything that rpm
will, but it is a very useful tool.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Bunbi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am in a process of packaging some software packages that I
downloaded off
> the FTP sites. I would like to compile and pack the binary
distribution
> using RPM. Is there a GUI for RPM?
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Meaning of word ,,hacker''
Date: 30 Jun 1999 11:14:56 -0400
Arkadiusz Danilecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, i am interested if ,,hacker'' still has the old meaning in
>english-speaking countries. And what do you think about the second opinion, i
>mean is it really not important what this word means to common peoples?
>
It's extremely important, hacking is a great hobby and I really think more
people should get into it. The general view of what hacking means is slowly
changing back to it's original meaning, with great effort from those of us
that make a point correcting others whenever it's used inappropriately.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Redirecting logs to terminal
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 02:13:21 GMT
I think I read somewhere about how you can make show all your logs to a
certain terminal (tty7 for example). How can I do this?
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.1 anyone?
Date: 30 Jun 1999 21:20:28 -0500
Alex Lam wrote:
>
> SuSE is not French. SuSE is German. :)
>
I was talking about that stupid keyboard that they default on
when I choose the French Install. Nobody here in the US or in Canada
use the AZERTY keyboard with a French setup. There are two official
French keyboards which are CF and CA, they are both QWERTY.
When shipping to the US they should think about us Franco Americans
instead of stuffing us with this European French garbage, it is
a pain in the ass to setup when you have to guess where the keys
are.
In X the CF keyboard doesn't exist, I had to make my own
.Xmodmap file to override the ca keyboard. Apparently people at
SuSE are unaware that the CA keyboard isn't very popular even if
the morons at CSA are pushing it. What a lot of people do when
stuck with that keyboard is they buy stickers and make it a CF
keyboard. For those interested, I added two keyboard to the
xkeycap program for the CF and CA keyboards. Note that the
prehistoric version shipped with SuSE ain't it. Check my web site
for a more recent version. I do have a few typos and I will make
an update soon. The original writer of the code added my patches
to his. I haven't had time to put my update on the net so his
version would a bit more recent than mine.
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From: Mark Galassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Docbook? Linuxdoc? Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 30 Jun 1999 09:38:41 -0600
Christopher> Of course, there is hopefully a light at the end of
Christopher> the tunnel, which RMS would likely regard as an
Christopher> oncoming locomotive, seeing as how an O'Reilly book
Christopher> is supposed to be coming out pretty soon on DocBook
Christopher> and Norm Walsh's DSSSL stylesheets.
Christopher> <http://nwalsh.com>
I don't understand your comments, and in particular the reference to
RMS calling it a locomotive.
Norm's book on DocBook will be a free book: it will be available as an
O'Reilly printed book, and the source will also be available and
freely redistributable.
Christopher> Seeing as how this isn't "free" documentation, some
Christopher> will not approve, and the release of it by O'Reilly
Christopher> after the Perl "Debacle" (Tom, you're *intended* to
Christopher> laugh at this one...), this probably represents
Christopher> further gasoline on the fire.
Why do you say it is not "free" documentation?
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From: Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,utah.linux
Subject: Re: An "ls" question
Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:03:51 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink) writes:
>I found the same reference you did, actually. It's in a man page
>that's explicitly not current or guaranteed accurate (read the
>beginning), and the paragraph you quote isn't as clear or useful as
>the man page from SunOS that I was comparing it to.
Quite so, but why did you say that the man page did not have the
information, when you just stated above that it does? You didnt say that it
was unclear in the man page, you said the man page did not contain the
information.
>However, there is a difference between "criticizing GNU" (what I was
>doing) and "trying to discredit Linux".
I wasn't responding to your statements on info vs man and the lack of
quality man pages, but that you said the man page did not contain
information. I could see quite clearly and quickly that the man page did in
fact contain the information. This is what perplexed me and made me assume
that you may have had some other motive for saying the man page did not
have the requested info.
However, further investigation revealed to me that the latest version of
fileutils (which contains the ls man page) does not have the description
that I posted.
>My actual point was that
>Stallman's group should go back to using man pages for their
>documentation, instead of the atrocious and near-useless info files.
>Since (as I pointed out) the ls on my system is a GNU program, not
>"Linux" per se, your whole comment is really out of left field.
But isn't Linux really GNU/Linux :-) Whoops, I shouldn't go there.
>You aren't by any chance a Microsoft plant, trying to discredit Linux
>by making it seem that all Linux users are raving lunatics?
No, I'm no microsoft plant, just a regular raving lunatic :-)
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