Linux-Misc Digest #870, Volume #27 Tue, 15 May 01 23:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNOME RPMs (Christian Rose)
Re: apt-get on Redhat (Christian Rose)
problem receiving mail (Shore Linux Solutions)
MIDI in Netscape??? ("William H. Pridgen")
Compiling for PIII/Athlon? ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: apt-get on Redhat (Christian Rose)
Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install (Christian Rose)
Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install (Christian Rose)
staroffice/rtf/italics ("G Pollack")
Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes (Dean Thompson)
FTP question (Lou Lipnickey)
Re: script to run telnet (Chad Lemmen)
Re: RPM: listing package sizes (Ed Blackman)
Re: SCSI errorr ("Stuart R. Fuller")
Mandrake-8.0+KDE-2.1 fonts? (Ish Rattan)
Re: Reloading a module (Dances With Crows)
amanda error ("Wong Ching Kuen Frederick")
Question about xinetd.conf ("Chakravarthy K Sannedhi")
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME RPMs
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:21:09 +0200
steve wrote:
> >| > I wouldn't at this point recommend Ximian to anyone. Have you seen the
> >| > supported distro list?
> >|
> >| Yes. What's wrong with it?
> >|
> >| * Red Hat Linux 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, and 7.1
> >| * SuSE 6.3, 6.4 and 7.0 on x86
> >| * Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
> >| * Debian GNU/Linux (Potato) on x86
> >| * LinuxPPC 2000
> >| * TurboLinux 6.0
> >| * Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.2
>
> Wasn't that large a few weeks ago...
I don't know if "by a few weeks ago" you mean before Ximian released
their GNOME 1.4 packages or when it was still GNOME 1.2, but this is
from their Ximian GNOME 1.4 release announcement, dated April 24th,
2001:
"Supported Platforms
-------------------
Ximian GNOME 1.4 is available for most GNU/Linux distributions:
. Red Hat Linux 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0 and 7.1
. Debian GNU/Linux Stable ("Potato")
. Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
. SuSE 6.3, 6.4 and 7.0
. TurboLinux 6.0
. LinuxPPC 2000
. Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.2"
So those distros were all supported from day one of the Ximian GNOME 1.4
relase.
> Still, it won't install on any distro running XFce as of last week.
Okay, I haven't used XFce, nor have I used a distro that ships with it.
XFce is not that common, that's probably why there are conflicts (I
doubt that it's on purpose :-)
> >| > Also the installer asks one to do some strange things, like de-install
> >| > XFce before the install process can proceed.
> >| > There couldn't possibly be any legit reason for this as XFce doesn't use
> >| > any Gnome libs or interfere with Gnome in any way.
> >|
> >| Are you sure about this? Are you sure there are even no file conflicts?
> >| Are you sure your rpm database is healthy? Have you bug reported it?
> >
> Yes I'm sure. =) They know,
Ok, fine. :-)
> and I'm troubled that they would do something like this,
So you believe it's on purpose and it's a conspiracy?
> it seems suspicious after the Google fiasco.
Tell me about the google fiasco, I'm not sure I know about it.
> >| > As far as I'm concerned Ximian with the google debacle, and now this, is
> >| > not a company I'd want open source to be associated with.
> >| >
> >| > FWIW, I went to SuSE's ftp site and downloaded their rpms.
> >|
> >| Wooha, that's funny, as SuSE is one of the companies I don't want free
> >| software associated with (see yast licensing and the constant iso
> >| delaying etc; all to "protect" their customers)
>
> Well at least they have Gnome rpms which I can't seem to find on the
> gnome site. <shrug>
You cannot find rpms on ftp.gnome.org, as well as you cannot find deb
packages or slp packages. ftp.gnome.org has tarballs only.
But that's about to change, and that's because a "GNOME Packaging
Project" has been launched. You can find it on
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gpp/ . You could even contribute to
it, if you're handy with packaging... :-)
Christian
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: apt-get on Redhat
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:28:14 +0200
wroot wrote:
> > up2date works both in GUI and console mode. A snippet from console mode
> > operation if I want to install wu-ftpd:
>
> Does it only work if you are a paying subscriber?
No. You just have to get a free account first
(https://www.redhat.com/network/). Then you can use up2date freely on as
many systems you want and as much as you want.
> What servers does it connect to?
Red Hat's update servers by default.
Christian
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From: Shore Linux Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problem receiving mail
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:57:08 -0400
am running sendmail version 8.11.2-14 on a rh linux 7.1 box. I ran
sendmail.mc and started the daemon. I can send mail but cannot receive
mail at my domain. Just from my little bit of knowledge I am thinking
that maybe sendmail is not listening to the port and interface. Can
anyone offer me any assistance on this matter and or advise me of a way
to easily and properly configure sendmail. Any assistance would be
greatly appreciated.
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From: "William H. Pridgen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MIDI in Netscape???
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:05:02 GMT
RH 6.2, SB AWE 64 PnP Value (ISA)
I would like to be able to play the MIDI files that go with electronic
birthday cards and such. I installed Plugger 3.3 and TiMidiTy, but I
get this error when I'm running Netscape and go to a site such as Blue
Mountain Arts:
playmidi: No playback device found.
Is there a module I need to load to play MIDI files? Do I need to use
isapnp.conf? Do I need another sound card?
Thanks in advance!
--
Bill Pridgen *** Sent with GNU/Linux
--
"Life is problem-solving and discovery." -- Karl Popper
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compiling for PIII/Athlon?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:06:00 -0700
Has anyone compiled their distribution/kernel/apps for PIII or Athlon? I'm
curious whether or not it would make a difference, and how much. I did
notice a difference with a few apps between Redhat and Mandrake, running on
a P150 (Redhat is compiled for 486, Mandrake for Pentium). Just for fun, I
might try the Linux-from-scratch exercise with my next personal server
project, but I'm wondering what others might have done.
Matt O.
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: apt-get on Redhat
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:06:29 +0200
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> >> > Frankly, I have very bad experiences with Debian, like not being able to
> >> > configure X, dated software in "stable" is another one.
> >>
> >> Not being able to configure X is your problem, given that the rest of
> >> the world can!
>
> > That's not very fair. I think that what the original author meant was
> > "given what the Debian install offers for X configuration at install
>
> All you need is the XF86Config file plus a text editor, and maybe an X
> howto (not that I've used anything but xf86config plus editing, ever).
> Feel happy that you are in control :-).
Yes, as long as configuration is plain text files, you have control. :-)
Nevertheless, X configuration is still rather complex configuration, and
a lot of people prefer not doing it by hand.
> What does debian offer as an "automatic" configuration tool anyway?
Appearantly unstable uses a configuration screen at install time (when
doing "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"), and you can also choose
between xf86config and xf86cfg.
> > time or what X configuration utilities are shipped with it, I didn't
> > succeed in configuring X properly on Debian". If he succeeded in
>
> >> And "dated" software is what is meant by "stable". A
> >> good rule of computer science is not to use a program until it as at
> >> least five (preferably twenty) years old. If you prefer bugs, get
> >> "undated" software.
>
> > And that's very unrealistic, given how the software industry in general
>
> No, it's very realistic. It takes that long. You evidently aren't a
> software author. If you want buggy software, use software that is less
> than that age old!
It being a rule of thumb does not make it a universal truth. That was my
point. It's valid for many cases, but not all.
> > and the GNU/Linux development in particular works. A five year old
> > program can already be hopelessly outdated, and in many cases is.
>
> Programs do not "outdate"! The electrons wear out? A five year old
> program is one that has been in existence for five years! It has
> been maintained (of course, or it would have the same bugs as when
> it was new!).
Okay, then we were talking about different things. I was understanding
it as a program that hadn't been updated for five years, you were
talking about a program that has been actively maintained those five
years.
> > Besides, a program being five year old is no guarantee that it doesn't
> > contain bugs. Most likely, it's just a guarantee that it contains five
> > year old bugs.
>
> You are confused :-).
See above.
> > To most people, "stable" is "tested", it doesn't necessarily mean "old".
>
> Stable does not mean "tested", it means stable, i.e. no new features and
> no bugs introduced.
And "no bugs introduced" also implies "tested". :-)
Christian
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:14:10 +0200
Norm wrote:
> Of course,the Red Hat Network will solve this problem for
> you with up2date if you buy a subscription from them, but I
> feel it should be possible to create a fully updated system
> in some sort of systematic manner. Has anyone come up with
> one that works without a payment or subscription service?
Yes, up2date. You can use up2date freely and on as many systems you want
and as much as you want. The only thing it takes is going to
https://www.redhat.com/network/ and getting a free RHN account.
Christian
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:16:12 +0200
Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> > Of course,the Red Hat Network will solve this problem for
> > you with up2date if you buy a subscription from them, but I
> > feel it should be possible to create a fully updated system
> > in some sort of systematic manner. Has anyone come up with
> > one that works without a payment or subscription service?
>
> <advocacy flamebait>
> Yes, it's called apt.
> </flamebait>
On Red Hat (which was the system discussed), it's called up2date.
Christian
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From: "G Pollack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: staroffice/rtf/italics
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:38:52 GMT
I use SO52, linux. I've opened a word file, which includes italicized
words and phrases, and saved it as RTF. When I reopen the RTF file in
staroffice, huge blocks of text are italicized, not just the words that
are meant to be. The same file looks fine when opened in AbiWord. Any
idease as to what's wrong with SO and how to fix it?
Thanks.
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:38:37 +1000
Hi!,
> I do not run a DHCP server. I am a client not a server. I can not put in
> the server in debug mode since it's sitting at my ISP.
But of course you could put your dhcp client into debug mode couldn't you ?
See ya
Dean Thompson
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From: Lou Lipnickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FTP question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:58:16 GMT
I am trying to get started with Mandrake and I need to FTP all the
file/directories. Is there a way with the Win98 "FTP" command to
transfer all the child directories and their files? I am doing :
bin
prompt
mget *
Its just getting the files, not the directories. Thanks in advance
Lou
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From: Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: script to run telnet
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:28:26 -0000
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>On Tue, 15 May 2001 19:17:26 -0000, Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I would like to create a script that will run an xterm session and
>>>then telnet to a remote Unix host. I have put an icon on my KDE desktop
>>>which brings up a xterm session when I click on it, but how can I have
>>>that also telnet automatically to the remote host?
>>
>>The command 'xterm -e telnet some.system.name' will bring up an xterm
>>and automatically run a telnet client (to 'some.system.name') in it.
> And if you do
> xterm -T some.system.name -n some.system.name -e telnet some.system.name
>
> it will put the system name in the window title. :)
Thanks, this is just what I was looking for.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Blackman)
Subject: Re: RPM: listing package sizes
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:33:42 GMT
On Tue, 15 May 2001 20:25:19 -0230, Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is it possible to use RPM to list all packages as in with rpm -qa but with
>an integer next to each package specifying the total space taken up by the
>package one installed?
man rpm, look at the --queryformat argument. Run rpm --querytags to
see the things you can put in the format string.
Ed
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From: "Stuart R. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI errorr
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:37:44 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Pieter Ekkebus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: When I copy from scsidisk to scsidisk I see sometimes some
: error's in my log file:
: (scsi1:A:0:0): Locking max tag count at 64
: Somebody know what's going wrong?
What makes you think this is an error? Do copies go correctly? Are you
seeing file corruption?
Stu
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From: Ish Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mandrake-8.0+KDE-2.1 fonts?
Date: 15 May 2001 22:44:24 -0500
I find the fonts under KDE-2.1 desktop a inconvinent. It is possible to use
the X11 fonts (as reported by xlsfonts utility -- particulary the font
lucidasanstypewriter-bold-14
)
in terminal window of desktop? If so, how to do it?
- ishwar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Reloading a module
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 May 2001 03:00:09 GMT
On Wed, 16 May 2001 01:44:23 +0200, bert buchholz staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>is there the possibility of reloading a kernel-module? The problem I have
>is as follows:
>
>I'm loading some SCSI-modules (scsi_mod, fdomain, sd_mod) for my
>SCSI-adapter/drives when booting Linux, so that I can mount my
>SCSI-harddrive. But sometimes, I want to attach another SCSI-drive to the
>adapter while running. Of course, I cannot unload the module as long as the
>first drive is busy, so I would have to
>
>1. wait, until the drive (the module) stops being busy (stupid solution)
>2. restart the box (even more stupid)
>
>So I drew the conclusion, that the only sensible thing to do was to RELOAD
>the module. Can one do this, if yes, then how? I mean, I can hardly be the
>only one, who has this problem. Loading a module updates /proc information
>(or at leastshould) and gives nice kernel-messages about the partitions on
>a drive and so on, that I need to mount the drives I am attaching.
Plug the device in, then do:
echo "scsi add-single-device X Y Z W" > /proc/scsi/scsi
X = controller #
Y = bus #
Z = SCSI ID #
W = LUN #
In many cases, X, Y, and W will all be 0. If you don't know the SCSI ID
of the disk you're adding, find out! Also, when you hotplug SCSI
devices, I/O on the SCSI bus may stop for a few seconds depending on how
things are set up wrt termination. HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: "Wong Ching Kuen Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: amanda error
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:58:18 +0800
i got this in my amanda email. could anyone tell me what's the problem?
thanks.
fred
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FAILED AND STRANGE DUMP DETAILS:
/-- intl sda1 lev 1 FAILED [/sbin/dump returned 3]
sendbackup: start [intl:sda1 level 1]
sendbackup: info BACKUP=/sbin/dump
sendbackup: info RECOVER_CMD=/bin/gzip -dc |/sbin/restore -f... -
sendbackup: info COMPRESS_SUFFIX=.gz
sendbackup: info end
| DUMP: Date of this level 1 dump: Wed May 16 02:20:49 2001
| DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: Tue May 15 03:10:24 2001
| DUMP: Dumping /dev/sda1 (/) to standard output
| DUMP: Label: none
| DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
| DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
| DUMP: estimated 164263 tape blocks.
| DUMP: Volume 1 started at: Wed May 16 02:21:08 2001
| DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
| DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
? DUMP: bread: lseek fails
? DUMP: bread: lseek fails
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [block -2048724168]: count=4096,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724168]: count=512,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724167]: count=512,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724166]: count=512,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724165]: count=512,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724164]: count=512,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724163]: count=512,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724162]: count=512,
got=0
? DUMP: bread: lseek2 fails!
? DUMP: short read error from /dev/sda1: [sector -2048724161]: count=512,
got=0
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From: "Chakravarthy K Sannedhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question about xinetd.conf
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:05:59 -0500
This is the first time I am using Red Hat 7.0. I know how the services are
started and stopped that are controlled by inetd with Red Hat 6.2. In that
just we need to comment, uncomment and restart the inetd service to make the
changes to work. But I want to know how these things are done under the new
version. Let us suppose how can I disable finger service running on my Red
Hat 7.0 box.
TIA
Chakravarthy K Sannedhi
Research Assistant, CTER, UAB
Birimingham, AL-35205
Ph: (205) 821-6805 (M)
http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~kalyan
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