Linux-Misc Digest #870, Volume #23 Fri, 17 Mar 00 03:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Netfinity boot floppy (bill davidsen)
Re: LINUX VS. MS (Luke)
Re: writting my own man (Floyd Davidson)
Hitachi BUS CD-ROM 3700 support ??? ("Joel Sciandra")
Re: insecure.org on os fingerprinting (John McKown)
Re: Cant detect printer port (Ed Hurst)
Re: newbie problems with app installs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help installing Libs.. (Ed Hurst)
I need to set up as a mini-isp, how is this done? ("Robert Chalmers")
HELP - system losing 6 hours (Jonathan Puls)
Re: No sound with KDE desktop (Rafael Przybyszewski)
>1 linux on the same computer? can it be done? (Alexander K)
Re: writting my own man (Bill Unruh)
Re: latex2html for linux? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Problems with Adaptec 1542b SCSI & Sony SDT-5000 DDS2 DAT ("Gene Heskett")
Re: Need help defragmenting... (Andreas Kahari)
Re: Help with Linux advocacy (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Remote Printing (Lew Pitcher)
Re: HELP - system losing 6 hours (Jon McLin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bill davidsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Netfinity boot floppy
Date: 17 Mar 2000 04:32:18 GMT
In article <tbiA4.3304$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| D'oh, sorry.
|
| I was under the impression that you were posting the error you got if you
| were booting unaided by a floppy. :)
No, and the CD boot works fine, but the kernel isn't the right one :-(
I had to build a kernel for this stuff.
| BUT, I can refrence you to a helpful site (or maybe not, it says that you
| can't install linux except for redhat 6.1 and imoho, RH6.1 is shovelware).
I think it's a nice end-user distro for people who don't want to learn
to do stuff without menues. Not quite as flexible as Slackware, but
lower learning curve. Right tool for the job and all.
| Here! =)
|
| http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.11 ->
| "The latest official lilo distribution (Version 21) doesn't handle RAID
| devices, and thus the kernel cannot be loaded at boot-time from a RAID
| device. If you use this version, your /boot filesystem will have to reside
| on a non-RAID device. A way to ensure that your system boots no matter what
| is, to create similar /boot partitions on all drives in your RAID, that way
| the BIOS can always load data from eg. the first drive available. This
| requires that you do not boot with a failed disk in your system. "
This is hardware RAID, so the kernel doesn't worry about it, failed
drives are hidden. And I use software RAID on hald a dozen boxes or so,
although I haven't had to try the boot in "real life." Should work
unless a drive gets corrupted but not broken.
| Now, the million doller question would be, is it possible to use bootmagic
| or loadlin to somehow bootstrap Linux into going? Or a ramdisk? Since I
| don't see a reason many people would be transferring data from/to a
| Netfinity box over floppy disk, the solution might be to simply have it boot
| off the floppy (a minidistribution like "Trinux" floppy, but I don't have a
| link to that!) and then automagically mount the raid and run the rest from
| there.
|
| I guess I am not much help then.... :(
You at least tried, and had some idea what I meant.
| Perhaps in the slack install, you can pass the arguments for the raid and
| have it go? My strongpoint isn't raid, but I can do lilo. :\
If I can get the floppy to load I think it will go, the kernel I built
should work.
| If you want me to mess, you can send me a netfinity as soon as I purchase
| those tickets to a nonextradition country.... ;)
Next step is to pull 1GB of memory and one of the RAID controllers,
and see if that is any better. Then I burn a new boot CD.
--
bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
When taking small children to a carnival, always have them go potty
*before* you let them go on the rides, and let them eat all the junk
food and candy *after*.
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From: Luke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX VS. MS
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:40:35 GMT
> what is the fate of linux?
It's going to suddenly dissappear tonight, just like you. *plonk*
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: writting my own man
Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:55:15 -0900
Davis Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi, there,
>
>I met a problem when I tried to write my own man pages. I wanted to
>first test the source files for the man pages before I put them to the
>final places. So, I created a directory called /home/username/man . Then
> I put the source files here. I tried to use the -M option of man in the
>following way
>man -M /home/username/man manfile.location
>But it told me that no manual pages for this manfile.
The path supplied with a -M option, as is explained in the man
page for man, provides a path to a man hierarchy similar to what
can be found under /usr/man. Hence for the above to work, you
need a section directory such as man1 to exist under
/home/username/man. Your source file must also have a name
suitable for the man command, so manfile.1 or if you gzip it
manfile.1.gz, will be correct.
>BTW, if I want to put my own man pages in a non-standard place,
>how can I tell man to look at that place?
Most systems use the environment variable MANPATH and set it in
/etc/profile, and then perhaps users modify it in their own
profiles. If MANPATH is not set, the man program will look for
a file /usr/lib/man.config (see the man page man.config(5) for
more info).
None of the above is magic, it is all in the man page for man.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: "Joel Sciandra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hitachi BUS CD-ROM 3700 support ???
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:57:59 GMT
Does anybody know of any support for a very old CD drive.
It came in an old Dell Optiplex XM 590.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown)
Subject: Re: insecure.org on os fingerprinting
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:56:18 -0600
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:41:47 -0700, Patrick O'Neil
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have been reading the treatise on os fingerprinting on
>http://www.insecure.org and see a line containing:
>
>playground> echo 'GET / HTTP/1.0\n' | nc hotbot.com 80 | egrep
>'^Server:'
> ^^
>Can someone enlighten me as to what the command "nc" is indicated
>above? From what rpm or tarball does this app derive? I do not have
>any such command on my current Mandrake 7.0/Cooker system.
>
>patrick
On my RedHat 6.0 system, I have a program called "nc". It is from
nc-1.10-4. It is "netcat". What it appears to do is a "cat" command
from stdin to the named address / port. The response is then send out
via stdout. So, your example would send the command "GET HTTP/1.0\n"
to hotbot.com, port 80. The response from hotbot.com would then be
piped to the egrep command.
John
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From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cant detect printer port
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:03:33 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to set up my (old as hell) laser printer in RH 6.1 . I know
> the printer works fine because it works fine when I'm in Win98. When I
> had RH6.0 printool could detect the port okay, but I never got the driver
> working properly and just used to get PS errors all the time. But now,
> linux totally refuses to believe that there is any type of printer
> attached to *any* lpt port. I'm stuck for ideas... I think the printer is
> something like an old HP laser III or something.
> Cheers in advance,
> Mark
I'm using an even older Epson dot-matrix. Here's the fix for this
well-known RH 6.1 bug--
1. As root, edit or create the file /etc/conf.modules to contain this
line:
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
2. Run the command: /sbin/rmmod lp
3. Start printtool and run the setup afresh for your printer. It
should detect this time.
Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: newbie problems with app installs
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:56:54 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dave31175 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm brand new to Linux (Mandrake 6.1 with KDE). I have downloaded an app
> or two. The install readme files say to run configure, then run make.
> Both of those commands return an error msg (something like "command not
> recognized" or something....sorry, not on my linux box now). Apparently
> I'm missing something??
>
> Also, I realize that the issue of installing linux apps is probably too
> large to be answered in a posting such as this. Would anyone be able to
> point me to a good website with information for lamers such as me? :)
./configure
make
su ( if you are not root )
make install
A very common mistake is to forget to add ./ before configure. What this does is
indicate that configure is in the current directory. Whenever you type
something ( like netscape ) the computer will only search specific directories for
that app ( type 'echo $PATH ' to see which ones ) . It does not search the current
directory so when you change to the directory in which configure is located and
type just 'configure' the computer searches all the directories listed in $PATH but
does not find any files named configure. The ./ stands for current directory.
Another thing with RedHat that I think is the same for Mandrake. When you
type echo $PATH see if /usr/local/bin/ is listed. Most apps that you need
to compile will by default install them into /usr/local/bin. If that directory
is not in your $PATH then you will need to install the app into a directory that
is. Probably the best is /usr/bin or /opt/bin if either are listed in your $PATH
The way to do that is add the --prefix to configure so type:
./configure --prefix=/usr/bin
make
su ( if you are not root )
make install
Hope that helps
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From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help installing Libs..
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:12:41 -0600
Jobath wrote:
> I'm a newbie to linux and this may be a newbie quesiton which I have been
> unable
> to find help. I am trying to install a the new glib-1.2.7 and gtk+-1.2.7 on
> to a fresh install of Redhat 6.1. I am logged in as root.
>
> First I downloaded the new libs untared them into differnent directories.
>
> Working with glib: ./configure, make, make install. All seemed fine so I
> tried gtk+ - ./configure it says It cant find the new glib-1.2.7 only
> 1.2.5. glib 1.2.5 is a RPM from RH. The new glib-config was located(I
> think) in /usr/local/lib and an old version in /lib/.
>
> It seems no one have made a new RPM install for Glib-1.2.7 or Gtk+ 1.2.7
> (cause I cant find it).
>
> Can someone give me some insight to what I should be doing to get the libs
> to install? Should I remove the old glib (1.2.5) or leave it and point a
> path to the new location? How do I point it? and Is there a faq, howto or a
> place I can get information doing this?
>
> Thanks
Glib -1.2.7 RPM for RH 6.x is at --
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/helix/distributions/Red_Hat_6/glib-devel-1.2.7-0_helix_2.i386.html
you need to bookmark that website (rufus.w3.org).
Ed
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From: "Robert Chalmers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I need to set up as a mini-isp, how is this done?
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:42:24 +1000
I need to set up the 6.1 box as a dial-in server for the company. So that
people can dial into the server and connect to the internet, just like an
ISP. They all have '98 machines, and will need to simply dial in, and
connect.
I have come across a zillion configurations for dialing out and connecting a
linux box to the ISP, but no details on how to set up as a "mini-isp"
myself, so the folks can dial in here!
I don't want them to dial in to command line accounts, simply, connect, and
fire up their browsers whatever. Just like a real ISP.
Any help will be much appreciated.
cheers
Bob
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From: Jonathan Puls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP - system losing 6 hours
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:36:54 -0600
I have a RedHat 6.1 box up and running however my system loses 6 hours
everytime I leave it up and going for more than an hour. After it goes
back the 6 hours it runs fine like there is no problem. I posted here
before and someone told me to look at my cron jobs and I figured out that
it had to be my cron.hourly/ because I lose the 6 hours after only a
couple hours of up time. The only thing is that my cron.hourly has nothing
in it, so I don't think it is that. I have my time zone set right and the
bios time is right when I reboot it gets the accurate time once again. If
anyone has information on this I would greatly appreciate hearing from
someone.
My box is a dual boot box with Win95 on it as well if that would make a
differeance. The Win95 is a separate hard drive from the Linux files, so
I'm not sharing one drive for both operating systems. I wouldn't think
this would cause the problem then again I could be wrong.
Thanks in advance for any help-
Jonathan Puls
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From: Rafael Przybyszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No sound with KDE desktop
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:12:04 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have the same problem, my sound is working in Gnome, but not in KDE
events.
Rafael
Ron Gibson wrote:
> How do I setup sounds for the KDE desktop. I'm using a sblive and can't
> get a peep out of the desktop system sounds.
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From: Alexander K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: >1 linux on the same computer? can it be done?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:44 +0100
hello!
i saw a post on this a while ago in some ng, but never saw any
answers.
also tried deja and a few search engines. no luck.
i wonder is if it's problematic to install 2 linux systems on one
computer?
i now have mandrake7. also i got some free space and would like to try
perhaps debian.
what would happen if i tried another install?
how would my now existing partitions be treated?
could i use my /home partition on both systems?
or would i perhaps HAVE too?
is it even possible to have two different / or /boot (or whatever with
the same name)
on one single harddrive?
any other things that would happen?
all speculations/advice/thoughts are appreciated.
thanks / alex
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: writting my own man
Date: 17 Mar 2000 06:59:16 GMT
In <8as48t$jmg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Davis Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]I met a problem when I tried to write my own man pages. I wanted to
]first test the source files for the man pages before I put them to the
]final places. So, I created a directory called /home/username/man . Then
] I put the source files here. I tried to use the -M option of man in the
]following way
]man -M /home/username/man manfile.location
]But it told me that no manual pages for this manfile.
It looks in the directory one level below the -M directory. Ie, man -M
/home/username would probably work. Or put in a directory
/home/username/man/mann and put the file in there and then use your
command.
]I tell man to look at that place?
MANPATH=/home/username/man
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: latex2html for linux?
Date: 17 Mar 2000 07:10:28 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sam Cable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I have used latex2html on my UNIX station at work. A very handy
>package. I was thinking there must be a version for linux out there,
>but my web surfing hasn't turned up anything. Anybody know how to get
>latex2html for linux?
latex2html in Altavista turned up 82000 hits.
The first one was to the original author Nicos Drakos.
The latest production release and a number of revisions can be found at
http://www-dsed.llnl.gov/files/programs/unix/latex2html/sources
Here are some European mirrors:
1.http://www.rzg.mpg.de/rzg/software/latex2html
2.ftp://ftp.rzg.mpg.de/pub/soft/latex2html
3.ftp://ftp.mpn.com/pub/latex2html/
(I have been using 99.1 on Mandrake 6.1 producing-- usually-- very nice
output.)
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Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:4:30 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems with Adaptec 1542b SCSI & Sony SDT-5000 DDS2 DAT
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Unrot13 this;
Reply to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Sean Akers;
SA> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
SA> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> Unrot13 this;
>> Reply to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Sean Akers;
>>
>> I am beginning to think this card is trouble. I ran one for 6 months,
>> no problem, then suddenly it decided to start locking the bus, and
>> thence the whole machine, requireing a hard reset and reboot to fix.
>>
>> I gave up, and threw some more money at it, getting an Advansys card
>> which seems to be a lot more intelligent, and hasn't crashed me since.
>>
SA> Gene,
SA> Which Advansys card did you get ? I am thinking of getting the ABP3925
SA> which is fairly cheap. I only want it for the tape drive, and possibly a
SA> CD-RW at a later date.
An ABP-930, which is a 'SCSI-2 ULTRA', has the old style 50 pin hidens
on the back, and a 50 pin ribbon for the internals. This thing is
supposed to be able to move 20 megs/second, but my old drives would
probably upchuck the whole lunch if they tried that. These cards are
actually a risc based interface, doing a lot of stuff the drivers don't
have to worry about. When I moved the hard drive to it so I could
remove the old adaptec card, the connector that I plugged into the drive
turned out not to be polarized, and I obeyed Murphy's Law and plugged it
in bass-ackwards. Very shortly after the memory test in post, I was
looking at a message from the card advising me the termination was
munged, would I be so kind as to double check it please?
I think I'm gonna like this card. (-:
Cheers, Gene
--
Gene Heskett, CET, UHK |Amiga A2k Zeus040, Linux @ 400mhz
Ch. Eng. @ WDTV-5 |This Space for rent
RC5-Moo! 350kkeys/sec, Seti@home 16 hrs a block
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� 2000 by Gene Heskett, all rights reserved.
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help defragmenting...
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:12:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sacgonepro) wrote:
> i have an old pentium box that i want to convert to linux from
win98...
> i used the windows defrag to get all of the data together on the
"front" of the
> drive, so that i can use FIPS to create new partition ( i want to dual
boot )
> Although i have 629M of free space on my hard drive, FDIS is only
giving me the
> option to create a 29M (or smaller) new partition. i believe this is
because
> the defragmenter program has not moved all of the data to the
"front"... the
> "show detail" option shows me that there are a few clusters towards
the back of
> the drive that it "cant move" (it's marked as a white square with red
in the
> upper right corner) any ideas, anyone? is there a better defragmenter
that
> will move these clusters?
>
> thanks in advance for any help!
> ad
>
I have a Dell Inspiron laptop, and when I got it it had Windos 98 on it.
The defragmentation of the HD was successful but a 64MB chunk of
unmovable area was, eh, unmovable.
The interesting thing is that 64MB is the same as the amount of RAM in
the machine and it turns out that the disk space is used for storing the
state of the machine (i.e. the RAM image) when sending it to sleep
("suspend to disk"). I thought that was stupid so I went through all
manuals and removed the thing from the disk, freeing up >1GB for Linux.
Now I always get splash screen when booting saying "save to disk file is
enabled blah blah blah". It's annoying, but I know worse things.
You may also try disabling the virtual memory in Windos before rebooting
and defragging so that the unmovable chunks used for virtual memory is
freed. This is however NOT A GOOD THING if you haven't enough memory to
support Windos without virtual memeory turned on.
/A
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Before you buy.
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with Linux advocacy
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:30:00 GMT
John Loukidels wrote:
>
> I work in the corporate world where Linux is only a far off rumour, at
> least as far as the vast majority of users are concerned. To help me
> illustrate the power of Linux to my colleagues, if I were so
> inclined, I though I could give the following example.
>
> Let's assume I want to set up a small office computer system. Let's
> say there will be two consultants in the office and one secretary. It
> seems to me that I have two alternatives:
>
> 1. I could go out and buy three standard desktops loaded with the
> usual suspects when it comes to software (Win NT with MS Office).
> Total cost: about CDN$9,000. I'd have to network them, and because
> I'm not that technologically sophisticated, I would hire a
> consultant to do it for me. I don't know how much that would cost,
> but let's say it would be another CDN$1,000.
Not much to say about alternative #1 other than to say that you
probably want to make one a one WinNT Server box, and the others
either WinNT Workstation or Win98 workstations. Win98 would be
cheaper, and you'd get about the same functionality for a small office
setting.
> 2. As an alternative, I could go out and buy one kick-ass machine, a
> Linux distribution that includes Netscape and StarOffice 5.1 and
> two legacy machines (say 486 66's with 24MB RAM each etc). My
> guess is that that would cost me about CDN$4,000. I would hire a
> Linux consultant to network the machines (also for CDN$1,000?) so
> that the legacy boxes would be X terminals used by the consultants.
> Not only is this solution much cheaper, but I get easier software
> administration, no-headache intra-office email, no-headache net
> access, no-headache file sharing, no-headache printer sharing etc.
> The question is, is it realistic to expect the kick-ass box to be
> able to run three X sessions where each session is running SO 5.1
> and Navigator (these programs are mighty big pigs after all)?
With the Kickass set up as the 'server', and the 486s set up as X
windows 'client' systems, you shouldn't have too much trouble here. I
run X and X apps on a 486DX/80 w 16Mb ram with no problems. You'll
want to ensure that the 486s have sufficient swapspace, and a simple
Window Manager - avoid K or Gnome, and stick with
FVWM/FVWM95/Blackbox/UDE/etc. Your Linux setup would be roughly
equivalent to a WinNT Terminal Server and a couple of Win98 client
boxes, but you'll get better throughput.
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> --
> John Loukidelis
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Remote Printing
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:30:06 GMT
Frank Holt wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am stumped trying to print to a printer on a Windoze NT box via Samba.
> From the Samba printing How-to I have made the following entry in
> /etc/printcap:
>
> Tek|Tek740|TT740:\
> :cm=Tektronix Phaser 740 on Server:\
> :lp=/dev/Tek:\
This might be your problem - for a 'network' printer, this should be
/dev/null
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/Tek:\
> :lf=/var/spool/lpd/Tek/err.log:\
> :af=/var/spool/lpd/Tek/acct:\
> :if=/usr/bin/smbprint
> :mx#0:
>
> and created the various directories.
>
> My problem is that the smbprint script does not seem to get executed. I
> know this as I have put various diagnostic messages in smbprint to write
> to the error log and none show up. lpstat shows that the printer is
> known and ready.
>
> This is all happening on a SuSE 6.2 system,2.2.10 kernel.
>
> I'm sure I'm missing something obvious.
>
> TIA,
> Frank Holt
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:49:22 +0000
From: Jon McLin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP - system losing 6 hours
I once saw a similar problem - APM was enabled in my kernel, so my machine would
go to sleep and the system clock would stop ticking. When it woke up it did
not reread the hardware clock.
However, given that you are in the Central Time Zone (which is UTC+6), it seems
likely that you have a time zone problem.
Windows keeps system time in local time. With Linux you have a choice of local
or UTC. Because you have a dual boot machine, verify that you've configured
Linux for local time in the HW clock. Also verify that you have a consistent
time zone setting. (UTC is set in /etc/sysconfig/clock on my system
"UTC=false").
It seems there is a HOWTO on this topic, but if so I can't remember the name.
Good luck,
Jon
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