Linux-Misc Digest #923, Volume #20 Mon, 5 Jul 99 01:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Nothing in Telnet (Edward Murrell)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: An "ls" question (Carl Fink)
Re: Anyone ever got sblive works on rh6? (Rado Faletic)
Re: cp/m86 file system originally Re: Accessing dos files from Linux. (Carl Fink)
Re: gui diff tool for linux? ("Matthew P. Kelly")
Re: linx vs hurd (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: linx vs hurd (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Dell Inspiron compatibility? What is best laptop? (Bryan)
Re: Resize linux partition w/ Partition Magic!! ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: diald and RH6.0 (Gary Cameron)
Re: Visual programming languages for Linux (Michel Catudal)
Re: Can't open window (Michael Delas)
Re: internet speed (Michel Catudal)
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From: Edward Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Nothing in Telnet
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:02:06 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've got a small problem with my Win95 box telneting into my linux box,
After some fiddling with the hosts.allow & hosts.deny files I can open a
telnet
window from my Win95 box on my linux host (previously, the connection
would
be denied) but I don't get anything coming back, zip, nada, not even an
echo of
my text.
I'm using Debian 2.1 running Linux 2.0.36. The connection is a ethernet
based, which
works (they can ping each other without any problems?)
Can somone tell me where to look for a mannual/HOWTO on this or what to
do to get it running?
Cheers,
Edward.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 02:29:57 GMT
On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:51:19 -0400, "Jeffrey Flowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I believe that the reason Apple doesn't support foreign Operating Systems is
>due to competition for the MacOS upgrade money that's out there. I don't
>think people fully appreciate how much Apple must have made from this over
>the years.
>
>Which would you rather do: spend $99.00 for MacOS 8.6, which is really
>System 7.0 with extra libraries and a pretty face (although I do like
>Sherlock) or $69.00 for the techinically superior BeOS?
When I actually want to do something, and these were the two choices, Id
get MacOS. BeOS has a lot of promise, and Im taking some time to learn it,
but the applications arent there yet.
>My answer was to give my iMac (Rev C) to my girlfriend and buy a Gateway PC,
>on which BeOS 4.5 will be installed tomorrow.
>
>Jeffrey
-Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,utah.linux
Subject: Re: An "ls" question
Date: 5 Jul 1999 01:10:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 4 Jul 1999 16:56:09 GMT Cameron L. Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bash's emacs-like command line editor is documented under "Readline
>Command Names" which runs on for several pages, ending at "HISTORY".
[snip]
>If your manpage wasn't installed correctly, install bash from source, or
>try http://judi.greens.org/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=bash/1
>(Beware, 250K page.)
Actually, that section *is* in the man page on my box, but the
meaningless name threw me. (How can the section on keystrokes not
have the word "key" anywhere in its title.)
Thanks.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:21:57 +1000
From: Rado Faletic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone ever got sblive works on rh6?
try the Creative beta driver, which you can get from
ftp://ftp.soundblaster.com/pub/creative/beta/
It only works with 2.2.0 and 2.2.5 kernels (I think) and I've only
managed to get CD audio to work.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: cp/m86 file system originally Re: Accessing dos files from Linux.
Date: 5 Jul 1999 01:08:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:50:26 -0400 B'ichela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Too bad that does not work with mounting my cp/m-86 partitions.
>only my drdos 7.02 ones. Does anyone have a cp/m-86 file system for linux?
>I am using Personal CP/M86 ver 1.1. it is located on my /dev/sdb2
>partition.
Well, a quick check of the linux.org search engine reveals:
http://www.linux.org/cgi-bin/showlsm.cgi?entry=0002577
This is for CP/M disks from Commodore 64/128 boxes and might not be
what you want.
Also,
http://www.linux.org/cgi-bin/showlsm.cgi?entry=0000223
This is a true CP/M emulator (it emulates a Z80), but it might
include filesystem support, I haven't checked.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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From: "Matthew P. Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gui diff tool for linux?
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 20:51:48 +0000
Rudy Wortel wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if there is a gui diff tool available for linux?
IMO, it's tough to beat TkDiff! It is an excellent diff tool. You view
the 2 files side by side, and all differences are highlighted, but the
similar
lines are kept parallel to each other, making it VERY easy to spot the
differences. It also does merging, etc.
You can get it from www.scriptics.com, go to the applications/programs
area.
Matt K.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 02:09:29 GMT
On 4 Jul 1999 22:10:46 GMT, Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Christopher B. Browne wrote:
>>Development of Hurd started not far from 1991.
>
>This caught my eye, so I wondered if you could clarify this:
>I have an old version of the GNU Emacs Manual from October 1986, which
>(as all versions, I believe) includes the GNU Manifesto in a form close
>to its original. RMS writes: "An initial kernel exists butmany more
>features are needed to emulate Unix." Is that original kernel what we
>now call the Hurd (in which case we just have different opinions on what
>"not far" means), or did they throw all that away and started a new
>kernel from scratch?
See: <http://www.gnu.ai.mit.edu/software/hurd/hurd-history.html>
Notable dates include:
- December 1986, when the FSF "started working on the changes needed
to TRIX"
- Feb 1988, when RMS in Gnusletter talked about taking Mach and
putting the Berkeley Sprite FS on top
- January 1990, "We aren't doing any kernel work. It does not make
sense for us to start a kernel project now, when we still hope to
use Mach."
- In January 1991, indication was that the FSF was talking with the
CMU lawyers to determine the status of Mach and what the FSF could
do with it.
I don't think there's a clear picture there that indicates a precise
starting date; it looks more like a process of surges and stoppage.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 02:09:50 GMT
On 4 Jul 1999 22:02:29 GMT, Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Christopher B. Browne wrote:
>>>>*If* the Debian/Hurd project goes well, this will add applications, and
>>>
>>>What kind of applications are you thinking of?
>>
>>All the sorts of things one sees in the typical Linux distribution, and, in
>>particular, Debian/Linux.
>
>And where's the problem with taking the source and recompiling an
>application? As long as an application sticks to fairly standard stuff
>(the standard C library, POSIX/BSD stuff), it'll run on the Hurd just as
>well as on Linux.
Exactly the point.
By using Debian as a "software/configuration base," this makes it
fairly easy to get a bunch of fairly useful software running on Hurd.
Possibly not in a day, but it seems reasonable to expect the process
to accelerate over time, particularly with automated compilation tools
ala dpkg.
>>Look at the package list for Hurd. You won't find XFree86 on the list. The
>>fact that they may *think* they support Hurd and intend to do so doesn't
>>mean that it runs right now.
>
>The XFree86 home page says:
>
>XFree86-3.3.3.1 is now available!
><SNIP>
>Highlights of the new release include
><SNIP>
>* GNU/Hurd support has been added
>
>Now, if GNU says they are supported, and XFree says they support, why
>shouldn't I believe them? And where can I find the package list you
>speak of?
<ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/public/debian/>
There are several XFree86 packages, but they pointedly do not include
an X *server.* For more details see:
<http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-hurd-9906/msg00210.html>
>>Similar situation: Linux FDISK thinks that partitions with the "magic
>>number" 63 are for Hurd's filesystem format, which has been wrong for
>>*ages.* Hurd generally uses ext2 at this time.
>
>I fail to see how a mistake by fdisk's maintainers says anything about
>the stability of the Hurd.
What this says is that documentation *isn't always right.*
>>I'm skeptical that this will be a major factor soon (as I previously said)
>>since:
>>a) People will be reluctant to write programs that can *only* be deployed on
>>one, fairly obscure, OS, and
>
>They've done that for 16 years now. Some guys got together in a group
>they called the FSF and wrote programs for an obscure operating system
>called GNU. And all those programs used standard facilities provided by
>any self-respecting Unix, so they are completely unportable, too.
No, that's not what I mean.
>Or do you mean *only* deployable on the Hurd because they use special
>kernel features found nowhere else? I've never done low-level
>programming, but it seems that we have libraries so we don't have to
>worry about things pertaining to the kernel.
If you write a program that uses functionality only available on Hurd,
then obviously it won't work elsewhere.
As a result, such programs, with a present set of target systems that
is very small, are likely to be of less interest than programs that
are more portable.
For instance, on Linux, programs that depend on functionality relating
to /proc are not portable to any other UNIX-like environment. One of
the major points of Hurd is "doing /proc better."
Unfortunately, *using* that "more powerful /proc system" means that
such programs are restricted to running on Hurd.
There's a dilemna here; programs that take no advantage of things like
Hurd translators will not make Hurd "shine."
- If you don't take advantage of "Hurd-specific" functionality, all
you have is a system that may provide an easier ability to hack with
the kernel than is the case with Linux, but with less software and
some loss of performance.
- If you *do* take advantage, then the programs only run on a few
systems, and a large population of Linux folk won't be able to help
improve the software.
The way around it, that *may* work, is to have a distribution
(e.g. Debian/Hurd) that makes sure that there is a considerable amount
of software available for Hurd so as to make its adoption vastly
easier than it has been.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dell Inspiron compatibility? What is best laptop?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:08:55 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware H. Michael Smith, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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: To the best of my knowledge Dell is NOT shipping, or supporting in
: anyway, Linux.
your knowledge isn't very good then ;-) ;-)
at my last company, we received several linux boxes from dell. sans microsof~1
--
Bryan, http://www.Grateful.Net - Linux/Web-based Network Management
->->-> to email me, you must hunt the WUMPUS and kill it.
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Resize linux partition w/ Partition Magic!!
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:12:25 -0400
If you just resized a partition and are _sure_ that the kernel still resides
below the 1024 cylinder boundary, then simply rerunning /sbin/lilo (as root)
ought to restore your ability to boot from the HD.
Alleyoop Sam wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi, I am a new linux user, using RH 6.0:
>
> Recently, I have resized my linux partition with Partition Magic 4.
>After that, I can no longer boot into my linux partition without the use
>of linux floppy boot disk. I can dual boot my machine before using the
>PQ4 to resize my linux partitioin. I have NT installed and use NT OS
>loader to daul boot my machine. If I use the NT OS loader to boot into
>linux, it hangs on the prompt: "LI" and nothing goes on. Well, my linux
>works fine if I use the floppy to boot in!! Any ideas to fix the
>problem? Pls
>
>Thx for you help.
>
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From: Gary Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: diald and RH6.0
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:25:46 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have diald up and running on RH6.0. I had to go with the diald-0.99-0*.rpm
> from SuSE to get it to work. I am getting the following info in my log file.
> Anyone have any ideas what diald is looking for here? tap__, I can't find it.
>
< Logs snipped>
I think those messages have nothing to do with diald. I think it is
looking for non existant streaming tape drives? You have probably enabled
something which is trying to use a tape drive interface on startup. Check
/usr/src/linux/Documentation to find out what the tap modules are for sure.
I don't think you should be using 6 bit encapsulation, although it may work
with diald. All I can say is that I am using 8 bit encapsulation with
diald/slip and this works for me. I suspect that something strange might
happen when trying to shoehorn stuff into a 6 bit interface. This is a
slip configuration option chosen when you built your kernel.
You hinted from your message that diald works, except for the strange log
messages. Try to find out what your init scripts are doing immediately
after diald is started.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Visual programming languages for Linux
Date: 4 Jul 1999 23:35:04 -0500
Mike Warner wrote:
>
> As we speak, Inprise is porting DELPHI to Linux. If they do it right,
> this could be the silver bullet.
>
> Mike
Interesting! If they port Borland C++ to Linux I shall be
a Borland customer again. I've used Borland since Turbo Pascal
for CPM/80 and left for IBM after they shut down the support for
Borland C++ for OS/2.
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From: Michael Delas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't open window
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:24:29 -0500
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Frederic L. W. Meunier wrote:
> Strange. Maybe you're opening these applications with su and you startx with
> root? If you use that, you need to do a export DISPLAY=:0.0 (if you use su -l.
> only su has not this problem). I had this problem but I wonder if it's the
> same.
Actually, I don't use startx explicitly to start the X-window environment; rather
I modified the /etc/inittab file so that X is the default run-level. Also I
usually log in as root ( dangerous, but for now, while I'm exploring and
learning, also necessary ) and hardly ever have to use the su command.
It seems like it's not the same thing after all ( although the root the of the
problem may be ).
Any further insight would be greatly appreciated.
Micheal
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Frederic L. W. Meunier wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Strange. Maybe you're opening these applications
with su and you startx with
<BR>root? If you use that, you need to do a export DISPLAY=:0.0 (if you
use su -l.
<BR>only su has not this problem). I had this problem but I wonder if it's
the
<BR>same.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, I don't use startx explicitly to start the X-window environment;
rather I modified the /etc/inittab file so that X is the default run-level.
Also I usually log in as root ( dangerous, but for now, while I'm exploring
and learning, also necessary ) and hardly ever have to use the <I>su</I>
command.
<P>It seems like it's not the same thing after all ( although the root
the of the problem may be ).
<P>Any further insight would be greatly appreciated.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: internet speed
Date: 4 Jul 1999 23:38:06 -0500
Silviu Minut wrote:
>
> >
>
> It sounds kinda like xisp. Xisp has a nice user interface and you enter all
> the info right there (user name, passwd, dns, gateway, connection speed,
> etc. No scripts to configure manually. When it dials, it displays what it's
> doing.
>
I think wvdial does that too, I wasn't aware that there was a
configuration program, it is why I entered the data by hand.
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