Linux-Misc Digest #923, Volume #18 Sat, 6 Feb 99 04:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: x11amp compile issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Zoltan Kocsi)
Re: ROOT DIR ????? COLORs ? (Zailong Bian)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (djb)
Problem with hosts.deny/allow (Ken Wolff)
Re: Proposal for an Open Source Robot AI Operating System (Dennis Clark)
Re: Only one browser for linux? (Bob Nelson)
Re: Serial Console -- What's this? (Ben Russo)
Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux (lgbp)
lpd says: job changed size ??? (Jeffrey D Anderson)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
[Q] HP CD-Writer on Parallel Port (Janusz Kawczak)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: x11amp compile issues
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 02:36:01 GMT
Where? It only crashed once, but it happened 2 me only once.
> works - sort of. I can see where some of the bugfixes in 0.9 should
> be...
>
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From: Zoltan Kocsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 05 Feb 1999 22:08:58 +1100
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sorry, this is nonsense. All that is necessary for `competition' to
It might be, however, let me try to defend that it isn't :-)
> take place is for users to be in the position to make a choice between
> two products. At that point, the two products are `competing' for the
I can go to the shop and buy a blue T-shirt or a red T-shirt, from the
same company. They are two different products. I had a choice.
Is then the same company is a competitor of itself ?
> user's choice. Are you seriously contending that Netscape and
> Internet Explorer are not competitive products because both are free?
No, I don't. I say that - regardless of their price - they are both
produced by different legal entities, namely Microsoft and Netscape.
Which identifiable entity produces Linux ? Who is Microsoft's
competitor with Linux ? Not the distros, they don't produce Linux,
they just value-added resellers. Then who ?
If I write free software am I a competitor for Microsoft ? Netscape ?
Sun ? All companies ? If I write software for myself and I never release,
am I still a competitor ? There's at least one user (me) who had a choice.
You have a choice between believing the Bible about the creation or
the physich books about the Big Bang theory. As a result, you can choose
to buy one or the other. Is then the Physics Department of your favourite
university is competing against the Church ?
The fact that I have a choice does not mean that there's a competiton.
One can choose between watching TV and doing a scenic walk. A lot of
people prefer the latter.
I doubt, however, that any TV company could include the nearby hillside
and waterfall as 'competitor' if they are cited to court for illegal
practices on the 'entertainment' market.
You, I and everyone else reading this message could have choosen to read
say the 'Linux Device Drivers' instead. Are we then competing with
O'Reilly ? USENET is often a source of both amusement and information.
Is USENET then a competition of the local theme park, the tech. library,
TV, The Times and everything that is a possible source of amusement
and/or information ? Could you seriously use it as a defense on court
if you are cited there for illegal business practices ?
I don't think so. USENET is an alternative, not a competing product.
> Zoltan> Linux is *not* a product. It has no commercial value. Its
>
> Linux most certainly is a product by any definition of the word that
> I've ever seen. You are, of course, free to make up new definitions
> of words if you wish.
Then how do you define 'product' ?
Is a folksong or lullaby a product ? Is it a competitior for say Pink Floyd ?
If I hum to myself something I just thought up and people around me can
listen to it (they probably have no musical ears then, though), can I be
considered a competitor of say Spice Girls ? Assuming of course, that
the people have a choice to listen to them from their radio/CD/etc.
When, exactly, became Linux a competing product ? When Linus started to
write it ? When he uploaded it ? When others started adding to it ?
When I downloaded and put it onto some ~30 floppies ? When the first
CD release appeared ?
By the way, dictionary:
n 1 something useful produced by growth or from the ground, or made in
a factory.
SW from a company is made in the factory: the company's software developer
department. Therefore I assume we can concentrate on this meaning of
'product'. So, who produces Linux ? Which factory i.e. company ?
> Zoltan> If I was selling petrol and I killed or tried to kill
> Zoltan> every other petrol refiner company I would be dragged to
> Zoltan> court for monopolistic practices. If a uni student builds
> Zoltan> a device that made the cars run on water instead on petrol
> Zoltan> and gives the device away for free, this will not change
> Zoltan> the fact that I was tried and probably found guilty on the
> Zoltan> trial. The uni student may completely piss me off but he
> Zoltan> does not compete on the petrol market even if he shrinks
> Zoltan> it.
>
> No, he doesn't compete in the `petrol' market, he competes in the
> `automotive fuels' market: a market in which petrol is just another
> product. A side effect of his product may be a serious impact on the
> behavior of the petrol market, though.
On one hand, not even that.
He does not create automotive fuel. He made a device which changes
a product (the car) to be dependent on a particular product (water)
instead of another (petrol). However, I do not have a choice to buy
car from him and not Ford, petrol from him and not Shell or water
from him oand not my local water company. Now I do have a choice between
petrol and water thus Shell is now competing with my local water
supplier. The student is not on the market whatsoever. Especially
not if he uploaded the DIY instructions for such a device on the net.
He would not be Shell's competitor even if every car owner downloads
and builds the device.
Zoltan
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From: Zailong Bian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ROOT DIR ????? COLORs ?
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:29:11 GMT
On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Ben Russo wrote:
> Morten Andersen wrote:
>
> > How do u configure Linux REDHAT 5.2 so i make colors when u type "dir" ..
> > fx. so all executeable filezare Green......
> >
> > PLEASE HELP ...........
>
> vi /etc/bashrc (as root)
>
> add the line
>
> alias ls='ls -F --color'
> alias ll='ls -laF --color'
put eval `dircolors -b` will make it wonderful: you see pink for jpgs and
gifs and you see red for zip and tar.
>
> -Ben.
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (djb)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 5 Feb 1999 21:54:19 GMT
On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:30:24 +0000, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:25:27 -0600...
>> countries.
>
>Sweden sends about double, if not triple the amount of development
>aid. And you know that the US are notorious for not paying their UNO
>dues, too, I hope?
>
>> Do we ever get a thank you. NO.
>
>You don't deserve a thank you for driving the UN into financial
>collapse and for being both one of the richest first-world country on this
>planet and one of the ones giving the least aid to others.
*BEEP* Pedant point! The US is not a first-world country. It's a
second-world country - the 'New World' in fact (ask Dvorak - he wrote a
symphony about it). [1]
But now we have a Third World, shouldn't that be 'Slightly-fading-and-not-
as-new-as-it-was-but-still-not-nearly-as-old-as-the-Old-World World'?
Anyway, I think we should be grateful to the Americans. After all, didn't
they save us all by downloading a virus onto an alien operating
system? We old-worlders never thought of THAT one, did we?
David.
[1] Beats me how he had any time left to invent a keyboard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Wolff)
Subject: Problem with hosts.deny/allow
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 22:20:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm running Red Hat Linux 5.2.
I have a problem where named is not looking to /etc/hosts before it looks to our DNS
servers.
We are connected to our ISP via a PPP dialup line and use their DNS servers. Our
internal machines have IP addresses assigned
from 172.20.1.1 through 172.20.1.200. These are all defined in /etc/hosts.
I have setup hosts.deny as follows:
#
# hosts.deny This file describes the names of the hosts which are
# *not* allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
# by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
#
# The portmap line is redundant, but it is left to remind you that
# the new secure portmap uses hosts.deny and hosts.allow. In particular
# you should know that NFS uses portmap!
#ALL: ALL
I have setup hosts.allow as followd:
#
# hosts.allow This file describes the names of the hosts which are
# allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
# by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
#
ALL: .dmg-grsd.com
When a machine in dmg-grsd.com tries to connect to our Linux box, I get no connection
and the following error in
/var/log/secure:
Feb 5 17:12:58 smtp1 in.telnetd[1212]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 6: can't
verify hostname:
gethostbyname(grkenw.dmg-grsd.com) failed
What's my problem? It seems that Linux is getting the IP of the machine trying to
connect, and resolving that to
grkenw.dmg-grsd.com, but why am I getting this error message and the connection being
terminated?
Any help on this is greatly appreciated!
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Ken Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MAXIMUS http://www.maxinc.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Clark)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.ai,comp.robotics.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Proposal for an Open Source Robot AI Operating System
Date: 5 Feb 1999 18:47:10 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In article <qrxu2.3186$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: >Arthur T. Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
: >I'm just wondering, does anyone know what this poster is? I've been betting
: >it's some sort of primitive AI.
: I'd thought it was just Mentifex trolling under a different name.
The ASCII "brain" "thinking" drawings should pretty well nail down
the Mentiflex dude. If not, its his evil twin Skippy, regardless it was
<^K> for him.
IMNSHO,
DLC
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From: Bob Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Only one browser for linux?
Date: 6 Feb 1999 01:46:19 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marco Tephlant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why does there only seem to be netscape that is usuable in Linux. Given
> the variety of software available, I find it pretty amazing that I
> can't find a decent browser.
> Arena is terrible, I know KDE has a built in browser, but where is the
> Opera of the Linux world? Small and Beautiful?
> (scratch lynx as well, I like my pretty pictures)
Try the HotJava browser (version 1.1.5) from Linux-friendly Sun
Microsystems. More than a ``proof of concept'', it works quite nicely
and of course is Java savvy.
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http://www.oldradio.com/archives/nelson/open-computing.html
``Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.''
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Serial Console -- What's this?
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:24:40 -0500
"Edgar F. Hilton" wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I recently came across the term "serial console" for Linux. Is this the
> same thing as a virtual console? Serial communications related? Any ideas?
>
> -Edgar
Before people had PC's you had a mainframe or a minicomputer with lots of
serial interfaces. You connected semi-smart terminals to them.
Imagine a black/white (or amber or green and white) monitor that only did
text in 80x40 mode and had a serial port and a keyboard port on the back.
This monitor has inside of it a HW terminal controller and when you attach
it to a serial port on a machine that will support dumb-terminal consoles
you can use it like an "xterm".
These are still quite frequently in use, I use them to attach to Routers and
smart hubs, network printers and servers that don't have video cards.
Many SUN, HP, TANDEM, IBM, DEC, and other systems that are designed
not to be a user workstation, but to provide networked services
still come with these.
I have an HP 700/96 green terminal on my desk now....
-Ben.
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From: lgbp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:29:36 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm new here, and the reason why is that, when I get a new computer, I
> do not want to use Windows 98 and it's obselete kernel. I was originally
etc etc.
So you want to learn how to administer Unix? Linux is a great way for
you to do this. Simply put (and true) Linux is Unix, so learn your
Linux well and you won't have too much trouble jumping to Solaries AIX
or whatever. It's a good skill even if your just a programmer. Unix is
the programmer's OS, to some exent. Lots of free compilers and other
tools availible for it. Try to find a College computer science
department that doesnt run Solaris out there...
Lots of people are going to tell you that there is a steep learning
curve. This needs to be put into some perspective: there is a steep
learning curve compared to Windows95 or MacOS, for normal use. Those
two Operating Sytems basically have no learning curve whatsoever. You
will be able to get past the learning curve in about 2 weeks of everyday
use. In return for this small investment you get a lot of power in
return. For example, how many commands do you think it would take to
copy all the Jpeg or jpg files from a cdrom to your hard drive that are
less than 50K over to you hard drive? Just one. Imagine completeling
the same task in wiondows9x... lets say there are hundreds of
directories on that CDROM, and the Jpegs are mixed in with lots of other
stuff, and you only want the small ones because they are web graphics
and the large ones are porn or something... Click click click, hope you
have some spare time.
Oh yeah, you might of heard, linux almost never crashes. Its crashed
on me once in six months time.
gbp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey D Anderson)
Subject: lpd says: job changed size ???
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:48:13 -0800
I administer a cluster of linux boxes that print via
the network (no parallel port stuff).
One of the machines has recently developed problems
printing. lpr sometimes fails with the message "empty
input file". Trying again works. GUI applications
like applix often fail to print. Whenever this failure
occurs there's a message like
Feb 2 16:33:53 thwk10 lpd[14534]: theory3:
dfA012Aa14533: changed size
Feb 2 16:33:53 thwk10 lpd[14534]: theory3: job could
not be sent to remote host
(cfA012Aa14533)
left in /var/log/messages.
None of the other machines in the cluster have this
problem. I've tried reinstalling lpd, but to no
avail. Anyone seen anything like this before?
The machine is running RH5.2 with kernel 2.0.36
Jeff Anderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 05 Feb 1999 23:26:52 -0800
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>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> While you may be experienced in installing Windows, setting up
>> hardware and drivers, and configuring Windows applications; the
>> fact is, that you only find Windows `easy to use' because you
>> are familiar with it. If you would do a little recollection,
>> I'm sure you would realize that it was not always so.
Jim> Ya. It would have been very interesting if I would have
Jim> started with Unix instead of Dos. I don't know about going
Jim> to from Unix to Dos based systems, but going from Windows to
Jim> Linux is ruff. I'm still shaken up by hda & hdb. Jim
The whole change of filesystem mentality was pretty interesting. Disk
partitions as directories ... hmmm ...
Every day at work, as I help people get their systems running again, I
have many instances where I long for a grep or a find or a command
pipe that would allow me to do in less than a minute something that
will take me ten minutes in DOS.
One of the things that ought to be looked at, when discussing the
possibility of a desktop linux, is the comparative ease of providing
telephone support to a customer. It might take more knowledge on the
part of the tech (or might not); but I think it could be demonstrated
that decent support would be achievable. I do Windows support all day
long with "ordinary citizens" and, based on that experience, I don't
believe that Windows is anything like "intuitive" or "easy to use."
mp
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"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
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From: Janusz Kawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Q] HP CD-Writer on Parallel Port
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 08:10:06 GMT
Hello:
can anyone tell me (or point me in the right direction) whether a
paraller port
connection for the HP CD-Writer has a workable solution. I am running
mainly
RH 5.2 with 2.2.1 kernel on Inspiron 7IK (Dell's laptop).
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
John.
P.S. Please direct the answer to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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