Linux-Misc Digest #925, Volume #20 Mon, 5 Jul 99 06:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Permissions problems on files installed by RPM package (Chris Burkey)
Re: Permissions problems on files installed by RPM package (Adrian Hands)
HELP!! Gcc breaks during kernel compile! (Romano Frenquelli)
Re: first/second/third world (Peter Seebach)
Re: first/second/third world (Peter Seebach)
RPM vs. upgrade (js)
fisp-and-after? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Patte)
Re: linx vs hurd (Gergo Barany)
Re: Linux Supports AGP???? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Duplex printing!
Re: Filesystem for SCO OSR and Redhat Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: first/second/third world (Stephan Schulz)
Midnight Commander and non-anonymous ftp (Jam)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Matthias Warkus)
Problems reading whole CD with SCSI-CDROMs (Sven Anders)
Re: Kernel 2.3.9 (mei)
Re: 451 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... unresolvable host name...... (Mohd H
Misnan)
Q: where can I find gcc 2.8 libraries ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: thinkpad 770x modem (James Knott)
Re: Midnight Commander and non-anonymous ftp (Michael Ransburg)
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 01:25:05 -0400
From: Chris Burkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Permissions problems on files installed by RPM package
Cant you just change the permissions on the files they refer to?
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Permissions problems on files installed by RPM package
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 01:46:50 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cedric Chausson wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I checked a RPM package I had just installed. That package was
> Net-tools 1.51-1. I got a return telling me they're were permission
> problems on three or four files present in the /bin directory..
>
> All of them are symbolic links. As I have discovered and as it was
> confirmed to me on IRC, it is not possible to use chmod to change the
> permissions on symbolic links.
>
> So how can I solve the problem ?
With symbolic links, generally you want to be concerned with the
permissions on the file the link is point TO. The permissions on the
file the link is pointing to can be changed with chmod. I've never
tried to change the perms on the link itself - it's normally 777 and no
reason to change (that I'm aware of...)
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From: Romano Frenquelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP!! Gcc breaks during kernel compile!
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:18:34 +0200
I must compile the Linux 2.0.36 kernel but after the start of the
compiling process (make zImage) gcc breaks reporting the following
output:
gcc: internal compile error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
Maybe someone can help me
Thank you
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 05:55:17 GMT
In article <7lmo1e$onv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <j6tf3.1072$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <7ll993$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>This is wrong. Ockham's razor actually says that you should pick
>>>the Many-World interpretation.
>>
>>Does it? How is this theory "simpler"?
>A deterministic theory + initial conditions constitutes a complete
>description of the universe. A nondeterministic theory needs a *hell*
>of a lot of added baggage to completely describe the universe.
Not necessarily. Which is more complicated, a table of 200 integers
from 1 to 6 inclusive, or the advice "roll a die 200 times"?
>>And why, pray tell, are you pretending you know anything about physics?
>Why are you pretending you know anything about anything?
I'm not the one who, with no background at all in physics, is telling
everyone which of the people with 10-20+ years in the field are right
and which are wrong. :)
>> You
>>readily dismiss Penrose in fields other than his own. Why are you so
>>convinced that you are somehow able to tell which of the physicists are right,
>>and which are wrong?
>Because this isn't a question about physics but about sociology and
>philosophy.
Only if the observers matter; otherwise, it's a question about physics. ;)
>Moreover, the *correct* experts are quantum cosmologists,
>not your run of the mill idiot quantum physicist whose big answer to
>questions of interpretation is "shut up, you're giving me a headache",
>and they seem to reject the Kobenhavn stupidity.
In other words, you've decided to pick a side in an argument. Why do you
care? Let them fuss and do research and change their minds every few years,
it seems to be what makes physicists happy.
>Because he's the preeminent expert in the field; a couple of decades of
>study in the area does that to a genius.
ROFL!
I hope you realize that I periodically tell people who work in the media about
your pronouncements about Chomsky, because sometimes, a belly laugh is the
best medicine for what ails you.
-s
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 05:56:43 GMT
In article <7lmoc7$ov5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <p7tf3.1073$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <7lkri1$3hv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Oh, pulease! Demonization-reeducation is a standard pattern used by
>>>everyone, *especially* right-wingers.
>>"*especially* right-wingers" is your demonization/reeducation speaking.
>>You've admitted that "everyone" does it - presumably including your side.
>You again, where's that definition of propaganda I've demanded from you
>for the past month? This is only the 7th time I'm asking you for it ...
And every time, I've told you: It's a word. Look it up in a dictionary.
After all, you know what it means well enough to use it.
>Marxists do not demonize; Libertarians *are* evil,
Demonization. You have *every* bit as much credibility as Billy Joe Bob with
the gun-rack in the back of his pickup who's talking about how "I'm not
disrespectin' nobody, but them communists are an abomination in the eyes
of God".
At least he knows that his belief is religious.
-s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (js)
Subject: RPM vs. upgrade
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 07:21:14 GMT
Let's say I have Glib-1.1 that's installed as an RPM in redhat. If I
want to upgrade to Glib-1.3, even though there isn't an RPM for
that, what's the best way to go?
I tryed just compiling it and doing
a make install, but that didn't seem to upgrade all the necessary
info, as I'm trying to build something else that requires Glib-1.3 and
it still refused to compile.
thanks,
js
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Patte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: fisp-and-after?
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:24:58 +0200
I'd like to use fisp to reduce my windows partition on my laptop but I
don't know what to do after that.
My parttion table is like this:
> hda1: windows
>
> hda2: /
>
> hda3: swap
>
> hda4 is splitted in hda5 hda6 hda7.
How do I name the new space comming from hda1, and how do I mount it?
My lilo in on hda2 , do I have to move it?
Thanks for any help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Date: 5 Jul 1999 07:34:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher B. Browne wrote:
>See: <http://www.gnu.ai.mit.edu/software/hurd/hurd-history.html>
<SNIP>
Thanks.
Gergo
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digit inflation, fuel and energy shortages, bankrupt airlines, and the
8-cent postcard. The second was responsible for such things as the
transistor, the solar cell, lasers, synthetic crystals, high fidelity
stereo recording, sound motion pictures, radio astronomy, negative
feedback, magnetic tape, magnetic "bubbles", electronic switching
systems, microwave radio and TV relay systems, information theory, the
first electrical digital computer, and the first communications
satellite. Guess which one got to tell the other how to run the
telephone business?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Supports AGP????
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 07:25:29 GMT
First of all the Alton M748 Chipset is not a Intel BX. It is the SiS
620/5595. The Video is in the Chipset and it uses your system RAM for
it's video memory. Also the video it fairly slow, infact my ATI Rage
Pro is faster. Other then this it is not to bad if you want a cheap PC
and do not really care about speed.
There is no drivers for Linux on the M/B CD, only Win9x, NT4.0, and
NT5.0. So your guess is as good as mine for Linux drivers.
Cheers.
Roger
In article <7lip2c$s2m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"m&m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi fellow:
> I am about to buy a new motherboard. It is a Alton M748 which has 3D
AGP
> Graphic accelerator and 3D Sound Pro built on it. Also, it uses Intel
BX
> chipset. I will be running RedHat 6 on it. Does anyone know about any
> problems related to this type of boards? Also, for any motherboard,
does
> Linux supports AGP GA?
> Thanks for your concerns
> m&m
>
>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Duplex printing!
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 07:30:49 GMT
Please can anybody tell me how to print double-sided on a HP Laser 5M
printer, using nothing more than the lpr command?! By the way I'm using
SuSE Linux 6.1 on an Intel based PC.
I've tried to find some Linux-HOWTO regarding this topic but couldn't find
any relevant info on it. Thanks in advance.
With regards,
Gerard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: Filesystem for SCO OSR and Redhat Linux
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:14:35 GMT
THis is quite simple. Recompile your kernal on the Linux machine to
support the SYSV partition type. I have used this sucessfully to mount
sco FLoppies and HD partitions.
TOny.
In article <7l5o8t$e2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am in the process of moving from SCO OSR 5.0.5 to RedHat 6.0.
> My machine dual boots between the two OS'es. My user's files
> are in a separate partition which is currently SCO OSR's HTFS format.
> RedHat 6.0 (at least as I configured it) does not "know" HTFS.
> I would like to copy the entire contents of that file system
> into another file system which both RedHat and SCO can access.
> The file system MUST support soft links.
> Does such a file system format exist? The only file systems I
> found common to the two are the generic UNIX S51K file system and
> DOS. Neither supports soft links.
>
> --
> Arch
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Schulz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 5 Jul 1999 09:18:49 GMT
In article <7lmo1e$onv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <j6tf3.1072$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <7ll993$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>This is wrong. Ockham's razor actually says that you should pick
>>>the Many-World interpretation.
>>
>>Does it? How is this theory "simpler"?
>
>A deterministic theory + initial conditions constitutes a complete
>description of the universe. A nondeterministic theory needs a *hell*
>of a lot of added baggage to completely describe the universe.
But Ockham's razor is not concerned with the size of you description
of the universe, but with the number of assumptions you have to make
in your theory (i.e. "if you have two or more competing theories with
the same descriptive and predictive power, choose the one that makes
fewer assumptions"). The non-deterministic interpretation wins - the
assumption of non-determinism may be more uncomfortable than the
assumption of determinism, but it is hardly more complex.
The many-worlds-interpretation is, from a single world-line point of
view, indistinguishable to the non-deterministic interpretation, and
in its full version makes the additional assumption that there are
many worlds. The hidden-variable interpretation assumes (great wonder)
hidden variables.
Both interpretations have the potential for more predictive power than
the non-deterministic version if we either find some hidden variables
(and a way to observe them) or a way to communicate with other world
lines.
>> In particular, what entities or
>>agencies are you allowed to rule out by following Many-World?
>
>You're allowed to rule out "observers", magical mumbo jumbo about "wave
>collapse" and the asshole out of which "nondeterminism" springs from.
Nonsense. The many worlds interpretation still allows for observer
interference and still needs wave function collapse. It only assumes
that the wave function collapses into _all_ allowed states (and hence
leads to a fork of the universe).
[...]
Bye,
Stephan
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From: Jam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Midnight Commander and non-anonymous ftp
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:09:13 GMT
I have a problem using Midnight Commander to log in to a ftp site.
The site requires ftp as the user and my email address as password. I
havce tried to use ftp://ftp:emailadress@ftpsite
but it doesn't work.
Can anyone help?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:50:24 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:44:00 -0700...
..and Bob Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look, you insufferable ass, the people of the US build the worlds
> largest and most successful economy. Our farmers feed the US
> population and 25% of the rest of the world. The American people
> freely give of their time and money to those less fortunate.
Amen.
> As far as I am concerned, WWII
> began when the US declared war on Japan and Germany declared war on
> the US.
Plonk.
mawa
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was struck by lightning last week.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sven Anders)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,de.comp.os.linux.misc,de.comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.act.scsi,linux.dev.scsi,list.linux-activists.scsi
Subject: Problems reading whole CD with SCSI-CDROMs
Date: 4 Jul 99 22:00:38 GMT
When I try to read the iso image of a whole CD with 'dd' (something like:
dd if=/dev/sr0 of=iso.img count=`isosize /dev/scd0`) I didn't get the
whole image. They are always incomplete and I got errors, if I tried to access
the last files on the image.
I tried it with my SCSI Toshiba CDROM and SCSI Phillips CD-Writer.
It works perfectly with my ATAPI CDROM. I use a NCR810 SCSI Controller.
Is it an error of the SCSI drivers or do I something wrong ?!
Please send me the answer a mail too.
My e-mail address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Sven
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>>>>>> The holographic doctor, USS-Voyager <<<<<<<<<< Genitiv sein Tod. <<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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From: mei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.3.9
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:34:29 +0200
Reply-To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Fox ha scritto:
>
> Well can anybody make the kernel 2.3.9 sucessfully with Vfat support? I find
> that I can't make the kernel if I select vfat and fat support~
At the moment it's broken. They're rewriting some functions of kernel, and in
particular 3 functin used by all the fs. At the moment only ext2 should be
updated.
Ciao Mei
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd H Misnan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 451 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... unresolvable host name......
Date: 5 Jul 1999 06:16:05 GMT
On Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:08:13 -0400, Nicolas Anquetil wrote:
>
>HELP !!!
>
>I am trying to send emails from my computer. I have a PPP account with
>dynamic IP.
>
>From what I understand, the PPP server as a name for every IP it
>assigns. When I set `hostname' to correspond to that name, everything
>works fine, but if I use the name I choose for the computer (`equus')
>then the mail hub I am using refuse my mails :
>
>451 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... unresolvable host name
>equus.dial.uottawa.ca, see RFC 1123, sections 5.2.2 and 5.2.18.
>
>This may also be linked to the firewall that the university is using...
>
>Is there a solution to this?
>
>Please help I already spent too much time on this to give up now, but
>it's driving me nuts.
You should use your ISP mailserver as your smarthost instead of sending your
mail directly from your machine.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Q: where can I find gcc 2.8 libraries ??
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:54:30 GMT
Hi here,
I've installed gcc 2.8, but it doesn't work: I guess
I miss a few *.so files or something...
Could someone tell me here how to properly complete
my installation (where can I find the missing libraries,
and if there are other specific steps to perform...) ??
Thanks a lot !
Regards,
Seb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
Subject: Re: thinkpad 770x modem
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:56:19 -0400
Reply-To: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I had read a while ago, that someone was able to get some of the MWave
stuff (don't know about the modem) working, by booting into DOS, then
loading the DOS drivers and then using LOADLIN to start Linux. I
haven't done this, but it might be worth a try.
In article <7lkb57$bd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <7licbq$mrm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Rick Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Anyone got any hints as to how to get the modem
>> to work under RH 5.1 ????
>
>No one has. It can't currently be done. The 770 series internal modem
>is based on IBM's MWave DSP (though it is called ACP in newer models).
>The Windows modem driver processes the AT command set and downloads
>different chunks of DSP code to the DSP during different stages of the
>call. A Linux driver would have to do the same. The IBMer who's
>writing the Windows 2000 drivers for the modem discovered Linux a few
>months ago and has made noises about Linux drivers, but it will probably
>be many more months, if ever, before we see one. My advice: buy a
>PCMCIA modem.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ransburg)
Subject: Re: Midnight Commander and non-anonymous ftp
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:10:28 GMT
On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:09:13 GMT, Jam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a problem using Midnight Commander to log in to a ftp site.
>The site requires ftp as the user and my email address as password. I
>havce tried to use ftp://ftp:emailadress@ftpsite
>but it doesn't work.
>Can anyone help?
Yeah, just press f1 in the window where you have to enter the ftp server.
It'll give you an explanation what the url have to look like.
/#ftp:[!][user[:pass]@]machine[:port][remote-dir]
So you'd use:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't use the: ftp://ftp: in front of it.
Be careful, I know _many_ ftp server mc is unable to connect to, for
whatever reason...
cheers
mike
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