Linux-Misc Digest #17, Volume #21 Mon, 12 Jul 99 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: kppp and Netscape (Can't connect) (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Scott Elyard)
newbie question: /dev/random ("Jerome BENOIT")
Re: dfe-530tx ethernet card these work in linux?????? ("Shahriar Mokhtari")
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Josiah Fizer)
Re: kppp and Netscape (Can't connect) ("Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"")
Re: exporting AIX display to Linux (Christopher Browne)
Re: Waitaminnit -- it's not supposed to do that! (Stewart Honsberger)
root authority diluted? (Dave Brown)
Re: Dev's won't work??? (brian moore)
Re: format >2GB hard (Christopher Browne)
Re: Cant get Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI to work ("Muuga")
bad files (electra41)
Re: clean /tmp on reboot? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Good 400mhz portable (wizard)
Re: Kernel Error (Paul Kimoto)
Re: clean /tmp on reboot? (Siemel Naran)
Re: clean /tmp on reboot? (Johan Kullstam)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.windows.x.kde,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: kppp and Netscape (Can't connect)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:22:34 GMT
On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:07:23 GMT, Stewart Honsberger wrote:
>No, I'll never admit that. It sacrifices "user friendliness" for stability.
{sigh} Never try to post a Usenet message after dealing with Windoze machines
and users all day.
Switch that to read "sacrifices stability for "user friendlinesss"".
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Elyard)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:55 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Odd H. Sandvik) wrote:
> Sure I can compare it to PCs. You may not have noticed, but
> Apple's machines have been coming closer and closer to the
> PC world with every new Mac that has been produced.
This isn't quite accurate. Much more accurate to say they have been
growing together. PCs have adopted many Apple-core technologies (such as
SCSI, USB &c) and Apple has adopted PC technologies (such as ATA drives
and PCMCIA).
And, to address a comment made by the poster you're responding to, both
PCs and Macs lag behind traditional UNIX workstations (such as SGIs).
This should come as no surprise, however.
> True,
> Macs use a superior CPU, but the infrastructure is basically
> the same. The PC-architecture has some bits from the eighties,
> but they do not matter in the overall scheme of things. The
> ugliest thing on PCs today is the CPU. ISA is going away soon,
> and with it you've solved the worst of the 80s design.
And, in some cases, some vendors (www.sgi.com) have eradicated the biggest
bottleneck on the PC altogether: the bus.
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| Peregrinus expectavi pedes meos in cymbalis est. |
| IRIX, BeOS, MacOS, and et cetera. |
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From: "Jerome BENOIT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie question: /dev/random
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:05:22 +0200
Bonjour,
Somebody knows where we can information about the `random' device ?
Thanks in advance,
Jerome
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From: "Shahriar Mokhtari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: dfe-530tx ethernet card these work in linux??????
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:58:50 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:x4eflhhY1X7J-pn2-v5StyRGxCTeg@localhost...
> hi there
>
> i just got one, are they easy to setup?
>
>
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:46:43 -0700
Scott Elyard wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Odd H. Sandvik) wrote:
>
> > Sure I can compare it to PCs. You may not have noticed, but
> > Apple's machines have been coming closer and closer to the
> > PC world with every new Mac that has been produced.
>
> This isn't quite accurate. Much more accurate to say they have been
> growing together. PCs have adopted many Apple-core technologies (such as
> SCSI, USB &c) and Apple has adopted PC technologies (such as ATA drives
> and PCMCIA).
>
> And, to address a comment made by the poster you're responding to, both
> PCs and Macs lag behind traditional UNIX workstations (such as SGIs).
> This should come as no surprise, however.
>
Ok, I swore I wou.ld never again get draged into one of these threads. But I
have to ask, are you "high"?
Since when is SCSI an "Apple core tech"? Seeing as there where several other
computers out there that used it before Apple and you could add SCSI to an XT?
And I hate to be the one to have to tell you, but USB is a PC port that Apple
is using. Not, as you seem to think, an Apple port that is now on PC systems.
ATA and PCMCIA I'll grant you, however I think the former was a very bad move
by Apple.
And yes, SGIs kick ass. Seeing as my Indy with a 17 inch monitor cost less
then half what an iMac costs I am very happy with it.
>
> > True,
> > Macs use a superior CPU, but the infrastructure is basically
> > the same. The PC-architecture has some bits from the eighties,
> > but they do not matter in the overall scheme of things. The
> > ugliest thing on PCs today is the CPU. ISA is going away soon,
> > and with it you've solved the worst of the 80s design.
>
> And, in some cases, some vendors (www.sgi.com) have eradicated the biggest
> bottleneck on the PC altogether: the bus.
>
Indeed, the bus speed on the Visual PC is God like.
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From: "Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"" <*****@ix.netcom.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.windows.x.kde,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: kppp and Netscape (Can't connect)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:15:32 -0400
Stewart Honsberger wrote in message ...
>On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:10:32 -0400, Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\" wrote:
>>I don't want to start a Linux vs Windows thread, but, you have to admit
that
>>Windows works...
>
>No, I'll never admit that. It sacrifices "user friendliness" for stability.
>
I guess I really can't argue that point, but, as I said at least it
functions, to a point....
>I deal with it every day in my profession and let me tell you - it does
>anything BUT work.
>
>How many Windoze machines do you know of with 365+ day uptimes? Did you
know
>that it's literally impossible for a Win'95 machine to run longer than 57
>days?
>
Like anything else, you have to put things into perspective, it's how the
machine is set up and how the hardware is configured. I'm sure there are
machines that run longer than 57 days. Who can really say? My Windoze
machine doesn't give me as much problems as most people would expect. I'm
content with it.
>You speak of all these problems with Linux, but it sounds to me like you're
>still in a DOS mode mindset.
>
Yes, I admit I get stuck in the DOS mode for a nano-second or two.
The problems I'm having are mostly pilot error on my part, I'm sure of that,
but a few aren't. After reading the newsgroups, I see a good majority of
the problems I have had are experienced by others. This isn't a bad thing
since it could be narrowed down to two things, a bunch of bad pilots or a
bad plane. Your choice.
>You say you "thumb through" these RedHat books - do you take the time to
>read and understand what they're saying? Read things twice. Outloud if
>you have to. Hell, talk to another Linux using friend - read it aloud and
>ask them if it makes any sense.
>
Yes, as you well know that most of the information may only be valid for a
very short period of time since Linux is always evolving. And some
information never goes out of date.
It doesn't make me feel too bad when my programmer freind is having just as
much difficulties as me with it. He is very knowledgable in his field, but,
still stumbles through it. And I surely don't doubt his skills.
>Linux works for millions of people worldwide. The only reason it wouldn't
>is because PEBKAC.
>
Don't get me wrong, I really like Linux and am amazed at what it can do and
all it has to offer, so don't take this wrong. It's like sending a soldior
out in combat with a high tech weapon that is gaurenteed to win the war,
but, is killed while scratching his butt trying to figure out how to work
it.
I will say this, with the help of the books, man pages, How to's,
newsgroups, and your valuable knowledge I will get Linux configured to where
I'm extremely happy with it. I promise you that. I will even send you my
Windoze disks so you can sacrafice them at the alter and anoint me a true
Linux user. Thanks for your help.
Ed
BTW>What is PEBKAK?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: exporting AIX display to Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:49:09 GMT
On 12 Jul 99 19:45:05 GMT, Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7mc7cc$hfl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, George Hicken wrote:
>>I am wondering whether it is possible to export an AIX display (GUI) to
>>linux (are the X servers compatible?).
>
>X is X! (In other words, absolutely, yes.)
Some X servers are more compatible than others, so that one should couch
that with a very little bit of wariness.
But not much; it is quite unusual for applications to *not*
interoperate.
--
It isn't that physicists enjoy physics more than they enjoy sex, its that
they enjoy sex more when they are thinking of physics.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Waitaminnit -- it's not supposed to do that!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:18:39 GMT
On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:30:48 GMT, Robert Grizzard wrote:
>>Sounds to me like your keyboard farted. How new is your keyboard?
>
>Ancient. At least three years -- more like four, now that I think about it.
Hmm.. Too new to be bulletproof, but old enough to be damaged. It could just
be that it's finally giving up the ghost.
>>Spill any coffee on or near it lately?
>
>It's supposed to be moisture resistant. Reckon "resistant" != "proof"
Heh.. The only effectice moisture resistance is to not spill anything near
it. :/
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
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Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: root authority diluted?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Jul 99 00:13:29 GMT
I've always believed that root authority overrides
base permissions on any file (or device). How surprised
I was when I had a dos (or was it vfat) partition mounted
for my user account's access with the options "user,uid=501,
gid=501", and root was not able to write to the drive, only
that user.
Seems to me this violates the concept of root authority.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Dev's won't work???
Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:48:30 GMT
On 12 Jul 1999 01:07:20 GMT,
Ron Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a strange problem and I'm not exactly sure where to start. I
> just recently down loaded the latest Slackware off Sunsite and when
> trying to get my old data from a previous install archive to tape I
> discovered that several "dev"'s will not work.
>
> For instance invoking commands such as "ftape" or "fd0" I get a no such
> device message. However when viewing the directory with MC the devices
> and or links are there and they have been made.
Those are not commands, they are devices.
Just what would you expect executing /dev/fd0 to do?
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.setup.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup
Subject: Re: format >2GB hard
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:54:56 GMT
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:09:56 -0700, Kamran Mohseni
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a HP pentium II 233MHz machine with 6GB hard disk. I Want to have
>both Windows and Linux on my machine. So I partitioned the system with
>2.6GB (created as FAT32) for windows and 3.6GB for Linux. I've installed
>linux RH6.0 without any problem. The problem is that I can only format
>2GB of my windows partition (I used the boot disk from Windows98 to
>format c). It doesnot let me to format more than 2GB. I used the
>command
>
>format c: /s
>
>Note that the size of the partitions are correct on fdisk. How can I
>format all of c:?
This probably isn't a Linux-related question; the issue is on the
Win32 side.
Best guess: The partition is not set up with suitable cluster size to
allow you to have >2GB filesystems.
Run the Windows fdisk, and see how it reacts. When I run fdisk on the
'95 box I access, it starts by saying:
"Your computer has a disk larger than 512MB. This version of Windows
includes improved support for large disks, resulting in more efficient
use of disk space on large drives, and allowing disks over 2GB to be
formatted as a single drive."
I may be skeptical of the quality of the results, but I'd say that
indicates that you need to set up the partition differently to have a
>2GB partition...
--
Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Been there, done that.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/msprobs.html>
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From: "Muuga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cant get Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI to work
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:15:16 -0500
Advanced linux system architecture
http://www.alsa-project.org/
I used to have to use OSS for 20 minutes at a time, not anymore!
Jim Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7mdha7$dkv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What is ALSA?
>
> Rory wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> >I got it working!
> >under ALSA,under 2.0.37 kernel
> >
> >I bought the card cheap from Buy.com 25 bux total
> >It has a 1373 chipset on the physical board , but ID's in linux as a 1371
> >
> >
> >Thanks to all that posted.
> >
>
>
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From: electra41 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bad files
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:20:39 +1000
Once my partition was not cleanly unmounted.
It checked.... then finish.
In lost+found directory i found two dev files. I checked it and found
that i can
safely deleted it. Unfortunately I couldn't(even as root).
" permission denied"
How do I fix it(so I can delete it)?
Redhat 6.0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: clean /tmp on reboot?
Date: 12 Jul 1999 20:53:16 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> add
> cd /tmp
> /bin/rm -rf .
>
> to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local script
Won't you lose the backup/recovery files produced by vi that way?
Of course, perhaps you never use vi.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: wizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Good 400mhz portable
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:34:26 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
root wrote:
> Stay away from any with ESS Maestro's too.
>
> David J. Topper wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Hey folks,
> >
> >I have yet to find a good 400mhz laptop that has a Crystal semiconductor
> >chip (which is needed for audio support). Most have Neomagic, which is
> >not supported.
> >
> >Anyone out there have some new information? I'm getting desperate for a
> >laptop.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Dave Topper
> >--
> >Technical Director, Virginia Center for Computer Music
> >Programmer / Analyst, Dean's Office (School of A&S)
> >http://www.people.virginia.edu/~djt7p
> >(804) 924-6887
Dave;
This may not be the suggestion you are looking for but why not consider an
Apple G3 notebook. If your running Linux you won't have to be concerned
about the Apple "operating system".
You do get several advantages with the Power PC based machines, one of these
is much better power efficiency.
Also MHz for Mhz the Power PC based equipement should peform better than the
Intel based hardware running Linux. About the biggest concern here is
the state of the Linux distribution for Apples G3 not sure if they have a
solution.
Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Kernel Error
Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:01:47 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robert Saunders wrote:
> I was hoping someone that new a little more about linux than I could
> read this kernel error.. I get this in the messages log right before
> it crashes..
>
> Jul 10 05:24:37 tigger kernel: *pde = 00000000
> Jul 10 05:24:37 tigger kernel: Oops: 0000
Sometimes these are hardware problems; sometimes they have been fixed
in newer kernel versions (which are you running?).
If you would still like to send a bug report to a kernel programmer,
see the file Documentation/oops-tracing.txt in the kernel source-code
distribution.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Siemel Naran)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: clean /tmp on reboot?
Date: 13 Jul 1999 02:05:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:39:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like my redhat systems to delete all files in /tmp upon
>each reboot. Every other UNIX I've used before does this
>automatically, but Linux does not. I'm running both
>redhat 5.2 and 6.0. How do I get my systems to do this?
Others have said that you must change the stuff in /etc/rc.d/
But I'd suggest using a cron job every month that deletes files from
/tmp/ and /usr/local/tmp/ that haven't been touched for one month.
Redhat comes with this kind of cron job, although it runs every day,
and deletes fill that haven't been touched for 1 week.
--
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Siemel B. Naran ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: clean /tmp on reboot?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:21:33 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'd like my redhat systems to delete all files in /tmp upon
> each reboot. Every other UNIX I've used before does this
> automatically, but Linux does not. I'm running both
> redhat 5.2 and 6.0. How do I get my systems to do this?
>
> Thank-you.
add something like
( cd /tmp ; rm -rf . )
to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file.
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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