Linux-Misc Digest #49, Volume #21 Fri, 16 Jul 99 05:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why is Microsoft so greedy??? ("John King")
Switch from Windows to Linux? (Jean Morissette)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks ("John King")
Re: Help: RH5.2->RH6 problems encountered (Rado Faletic)
Re: Why is Microsoft so greedy??? (Plato)
FWD- German site catches MSN running on Unix, Apache (Alex Lam)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: A tool for converting MSIE bookmarks to Netscape (Hugh McDonald)
Re: What's needed for StarOffice with Slackware 4.0.0 (Michael Lee Yohe)
Re: chroot (Bernd Eckenfels)
Re: How to suspend and restart a process with its idp number? (Michael Lee Yohe)
Re: any way to access MBR directly? (Villy Kruse)
root password (Chin Yew Tuck)
Re: Is CD-R usuable as backup medium on Linux? (steve blakeway)
Re: Can't run executables (yes I use ./) (Mark Tranchant)
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From: "John King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin,alt.windows95,alt.windows98,comp.os.ms-windows.nt
Subject: Re: Why is Microsoft so greedy???
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:23:37 -0700
Smelly or not, the original post brings up a sore subject. That is that MS
requires it's little users to log and submit to their probing in order to
get their reward.
Also, for some odd reason, it hard to upgrade some machines. It seems that
IIs really really sucks (which it doesn't), or something is deliberately
disrupting one's connection. I am one of those people with a lot of old
machines. I am one user only on a lot of old machines. One machine, has
failed something like 15+ times in a row to download and install *any* MS
patches from their site. This same machine downloads other large files just
fine and dandy (actually this machine isn't that old at all).
So I've got to buy their patch kit. It's not much money, so I'm not too
irritated. I am getting *SICK* of all the MS control stuff. The herding and
manipulation of users towards more upgrades, towards their web sites, the
siphoning of MS software serial numbers, the killing of competition like
Linux, WordPerfect, Lotus, Borland, etc. I think it's ironic that the
PERSONAL COMPUTER revolution is being choked by MS. Isn't this what
propelled the PC away from the centralized IS groups in the first place?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:38:05 -0700, David
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>I think you have to expect the type of response you received. Your
>post was in no way tactful or humble it was rambling and
>threatening..and I don't really know how you could be working as a sys
>admin in any OS, as stated before I am quite sure that patches updates
>whatever for UNIX/LINUX still have to be applied to every box..(more
>or less) and they still can be done over a network. this backtracking
>and trying to softsell your original post just smells.....and it
>ain't a pretty smell....
>
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From: Jean Morissette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:21:54 +0000
Hello Brad
Brad Grimes wrote:
> If so, I'm writing a magazine article about operating systems and I'd like
> to hear from you. Drop me a line at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wellll, Brad, you could write in your article that some users ADD
LINUX to
their collection of OS'es ! 8-)
I did not dare to do a full/all-dressed LINUX setup. I use LOADLIN.EXE,
from the
LINUX.BAT batch file, and my last setup/success was to "organize" a swap
file
in a DOS partition, my K: drive. [ LINUX is all in J: and Win98 is in I:
]
What I did to Win98, is that I succeded to BOOT in DOS 7.10, WITHOUT
starting Win98 !! [If I type EXIT nothing happens; so I REALY am in DOS
7.10]
And I can start and/or exit from W98 just like I do with Win 3.10 !!
To exit W98, a shortcut is needed...I the desktop basic window...
My main OS, is DESQview, but my new browsing and E-mailing OS is now
LINUX and
it's Netscape ! Not the Win$loz's, anymore !
And my ftp browser, or rather D/Loader is the DOS NETTAMER.EXE. Mutch
better
baud rates with DESQview and NETTAMER !! I can do other things, while
D/Loading !
Soooo, I did not realy switch. Only trying it, and becoming more and
more LINUX
user... A few minutes ago I discovered the xspread thing !! [ Like Lotus
123 ]
I am still "exploring" a lot the subDIRectories, to see what is
there...
One setup I have yet to do/try is a SHELL or DOS emulation. For now, I
am often
in "pure" 6.22 DOS... I guess I will have to keep it, even if used
"from"
LINUX...
I can afford all those OS, with a 8,400 megs Hard drive, now !! 8-)
My next try ??? OS/2 Warp !! in my L: drive !!
--
Pret pour l'an 2000 "informatique ??? 2000 moins 5 mois = ???
...vous voyez ce message grace au Netscape de LINUX !!! ALLL RRRIGHT !!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 16 Jul 1999 06:35:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 15 Jul 1999 04:34:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
>wrote:
>As long as government does not get involved, customer has all
>the power.
ROTFLMAO!
>>Moreover, customers and *consumers* are two different things.
>
>Does not matter. Matters who pays for it.
And obviously, if you don't pay for anything then you deserve
to die since it is Right and Proper to have your worth measured
by the size of your wallet.
>>Customers who are not consumers includes resellers, which makes up
>>the overwhelming portion of the economy.
>
>True. Any economically active person is both customer and producer.
You witless cretin, resellers aren't producers!
>No. Customers have all the power, be it individual, organization,
>whoever spends money in free choice. Ultimately, end customers
Well, here's news for you bozo; NOBODY has free choice. And the vast
majority of spending is done by corporations on their own behalf.
Even a third-rate economist will tell you that.
>of goods are those who spend on it. As many dollars spent
>as customers, as many votes. If government did not get involved,
>power would belong to most of the people, as they spend most
>of the money.
You're addicted to denial of reality, aren't you?
1) inter-corporation selling accounts for most of the economy
2) government is, by far, the largest customer
3) while the US government takes from the poor to give to the
rich, if it didn't get involved, money wouldn't magically
appear in poor people's hands
>>Concentration of capital is undestood to be the natural course of events
>>by every serious economist, it's also widely understood to be the current
>>state of affairs; even the mass media accepts it as obvious.
>
>ROTFL
>
>Show me that "serious economist". Serious economists laugh at Marx
>for vulgar and stupid simplifications he made.
Ahhh, so an economist can't be serious unless he agrees with a witless
cretin like you. I'm glad we cleared this up.
>And since when what popular media embraces is true? It's rather
Most of the time. The media abhors lying on verifiable facts, and
even more so on *easily* verifiable facts; it reserves its lies
for the impressions of those facts it gives.
Example: an article in the Globe and Mail about the nurses' strike
in Quebec explains the reason for the strike but it's headlined
something like "Could it all be for money?".
But you seem like the type to only read headlines.
>that the most shallow and thus untrue theories are accepted
Yeah, like supply-side economics (ie, "Reaganomics"), the
MAD theory of the cold war, and international geopolitics.
>by media. Serious economic theory is not easy to grasp and requires
>effort; it's simplistico economico a la Marx that gets attention
>precisely because he has had no merit.
Yeah, *serious* economic theory is what *you* grasp and nobody else
can. Extremely convenient. Keynes' exxplanation of depressions is
extremely elegant and also happens to be correct.
In every field of science, the simpler the theory the better, but
obviously not in economics because it's necessary to confuse people
in that field (unlike physics, economics is relevant to those who
want to hold onto power).
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From: "John King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:42:26 -0700
David J. Coffin wrote in message ...
>>Back at that time, back in 'the days', MS was a software/languages house.
>>They could cut you up a version of BASIC within a couple weeks, customised
>>to the customer's specs. All the RatShack machines used to use it,
>>including the CoCo 2 & 3 that I owned as a couple of my first home
>>computers. Fun stuff.
>>
>>MS's BASICs weren't that bad, when you get down to it...
They're still good. QBasic is great for banging out a quick something.
An interpreter is great for simple things. For others there's PowerBASIC
which is almost as fast as MC C and includes pointers.
BASIC is a fine language. For a lot of stuff a language is a language.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:47:29 +1000
From: Rado Faletic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Help: RH5.2->RH6 problems encountered
could it be that you're out of toner?
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From: Plato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin,alt.windows95,alt.windows98,comp.os.ms-windows.nt
Subject: Re: Why is Microsoft so greedy???
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:58:16 -0700
John King wrote:
>
> Smelly or not, the original post brings up a sore subject. That is that MS
> requires it's little users to log and submit to their probing in order to
> get their reward.
I thought required on-line registration to get windows (bootup #
limited) versions was still a year or 2 away
> Also, for some odd reason, it hard to upgrade some machines. It seems that
> IIs really really sucks (which it doesn't), or something is deliberately
> disrupting one's connection. I am one of those people with a lot of old
> machines. I am one user only on a lot of old machines. One machine, has
> failed something like 15+ times in a row to download and install *any* MS
> patches from their site. This same machine downloads other large files just
prolly a cheap PNP or winmodem problem
> fine and dandy (actually this machine isn't that old at all).
again, prolly a cheap PNP or winmodem problem
> So I've got to buy their patch kit. It's not much money, so I'm not too
> irritated. I am getting *SICK* of all the MS control stuff. The herding and
> manipulation of users towards more upgrades, towards their web sites, the
> siphoning of MS software serial numbers, the killing of competition like
have patience. There is a jillion dollar effort in progress that's
developing a new universal op system in asia. remember what happened to
US made HIfi's, stereos, TVs, etc.
..........................................
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FWD- German site catches MSN running on Unix, Apache
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:13:50 -0700
======================FWD=========================================
Posted 15/07/99 5:15pm by John Lettice, The Register, London, UK.
German site catches MSN running on Unix, Apache
You may have noticed that Web operations bought by Microsoft tend to
implement massive server upgrade programmes shortly afterwards. Often,
it is rumoured, these hapless new acquisitions don't run on Microsoft
software.
Well, there's apparently one law for the subs that need to be
switched to NT pronto, and one for pre-existing Microsoft Web
operations. We can't think why, but as far as we can see the evidence
unearthed by German publication c't looks pretty conclusive.
By the simple expedient of going to a non-existent page on MSN, c't's
example being homepages.msn.com/nix you get an error message from
Apache 1.3.6. Try using netcat on the WWW Port-80 of homepages.msn.com
and you find that it's Apache running on Unix. Outstanding work, c't,
- click here for the full article (in German). �
source article in German-
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-15.07.99-000/
source article from The Register-
http://theregister.co.uk/990715-000027.html
=================================================
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*remove all the Xs (upper case X) if reply by e mail.
** no more M$ Windoze.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 16 Jul 1999 06:38:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nonnaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> He believes that ANYONE that does not agree with
>> him, he hates, is "evil", and deserves to die. Since no one agrees with him,
>> he hates everyone, they are all "evil", and they all should die! That is
>> his point.
>
>Sounds perfectly reasonable to me...whats your problem?
He's just pissed I showed he likes children to be tortured; even I have
never defended /that/ behaviour.
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From: Hugh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A tool for converting MSIE bookmarks to Netscape
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:14:50 GMT
Rob Stockley wrote:
-- snip --
> /***************************************************
> * fav2bmk.c
> * =========
> * Written by Rob Stockley ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> * July 1999
> *
-- snip --
I would most certainly like a copy of this program. Please e-mail it to me. TIA
-- Hugh McDonald
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:42:27 -0500
From: Michael Lee Yohe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What's needed for StarOffice with Slackware 4.0.0
> > I installed A, AP, D, N, K, X and XAP
>
> What is A, AP, D, N, K, X, XAP?????
Slackware's god-awful, archaic package identifiers.
--
Michael Lee Yohe ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
BRADS A3 Diagnostic Kernel Lead Engineer
PEI Electronics, Inc.
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From: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: chroot
Date: 15 Jul 1999 22:47:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> When I type
> chroot /home/ftp ls (or /bin/ls)
> I get
> chroot: cannot execute ls: No such file or directory
> ls exists under the new root directory, as does anything else that it
> wants to open as shown by running ls under strace.
chroot wants the path of the bin inside the chroot jail "/home/ftp/bin/ls".
Greetings
Bernd
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:46:47 -0500
From: Michael Lee Yohe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to suspend and restart a process with its idp number?
> I would like to know how to suspend a process using its idp number and
> to restart it later again with its idp number.
I'm going to assume you mean PID number. There is no "real" method of
doing this with the exception of signal handling. If the program that
you are attempting to "restart" implements signal handling, then a
simple "hangup" request would do the trick -- "kill -HUP <pid>".
However, most programs do not listen for signal - thus a "hangup" would
terminate the process.
--
Michael Lee Yohe ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
BRADS A3 Diagnostic Kernel Lead Engineer
PEI Electronics, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: any way to access MBR directly?
Date: 16 Jul 1999 09:58:12 +0200
In article <7mlaiv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
J�rgen Exner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> That's interesting. The first sector of the disk has 512 bytes.
>> Does this mean that only the first 256 bytes contain information
>> that may be changed by lilo? Does anyone know a ready source which
>> explains exactly how the MBR is ordinarily laid out?
>
>Sorry, I should have been more careful when typing.
>Of course you are right (on both counts).
>
The last 66 bytes of the first sector is the partition table, so if you
whipe out the entire 512 bytes you have no more partition table. The
last 2 byts are the magic word 0x55aa or 0xaa55 depending if you consider
the word big or little endian.
Villy
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From: Chin Yew Tuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: root password
Date: 16 Jul 1999 06:31:03 GMT
When I bootup my Linux workstation (installed with redhat 5.2) it gives
the following error msg:
"/dev/hda7: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY."
"*** An error occurred during the file system check."
"*** Dropping you to a shell; the system will boot"
"*** when you leave the shell."
"Give root password for maintenance"
"(or type Control-D for normal startup):"
If cntrl-D is pressed, the worksation reboot and the above
error msg is seen again. I do not have the root password and
is new to the Linux operating system. Please help and thank you
in advance.
================== Posted via SearchLinux ==================
http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve blakeway)
Subject: Re: Is CD-R usuable as backup medium on Linux?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:16:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>I have been thinking of backup solutions for a little while, and, if you
>are willing to remove your hard-drive for the backup, you should be able
>to do the following...
>
>buy a "big" but cheap IDE drive. Spend some bucks on a 18 gig, or maybe
>a 10gig monster. (If your system is small, then go for even smaller).
>
>plug it in, and back-up and compress the backup to the new disk. This
>should allow for a number of backups to the same disk. It is not
>necessarily a good thing, but it is better than nothing. Frankly, I am
>intending to get a cheapish IDE disk (I use SCSI moslty), just for
>backup.
>
>just a thought. you will end up spending a fortune at a third party
>backup "place".
>
>gus
You might want to check out www.arcoide.com...this would be ideal for
you.
steve
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't run executables (yes I use ./)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:52:43 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try "ldd <executable name>".
My guess is that you've picked up some binaries linked against libraries
you do not have - libc6, perhaps.
Mark.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I use Linux with kernel version 2.0.34 and libc 5.4.44.
> I downloaded some executables, but when trying to run them I get the
> message "Command not found". Of course I put the executables in a
> directory which is in the path and ran rehash. In fact, if I run
> "which executable_name", I get the exact path to the executable.
> Copying the command to the current directory and running
> ./executable_name doesn't help. Notice that the executables have the
> right permissions set and the command "file executable_name" says that
> executable_name is an ELF 32-bit LSB executable. Everything works fine
> with executables I compiled myself.
>
> Does anybody have a clue why this happens?
>
> Thank you for any help,
>
> Matteo Grigoletto
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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