Linux-Misc Digest #49, Volume #26 Mon, 16 Oct 00 11:13:02 EDT
Contents:
<TAB> x Linuxconf ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("Les Mikesell")
HP35480A scsi tape drive config ("Guy Smith")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("MH")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("MH")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: napster client without gui (Arnaud Kok)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
ACPI question (Alex Deucher)
test ("asd")
Re: HP35480A scsi tape drive config (-ljl-)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Memory fragmentation?
Re: What is System.map ? (RogerB)
kgcc and RH7 (Alex Deucher)
cdrecord and smart and friendly mach 12 (Alex Deucher)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: <TAB> x Linuxconf
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:34:48 GMT
Hi,
I used to configure Linux from SSH client TTSSH/TeraTerm.
Then, I would like to use <TAB> into Linuxconf but it
doesn't work. Key <TAB> works fine at shell, completing
commands.
What's the problem ?
Is there some Linuxconf pre-config to do ?
Is there other key or shortcut to access the button from
Linuxconf or only <TAB> does this ?
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:58:44 GMT
"Carl Fink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:11:06 -0400 jazz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >Erp...I checked it out and am sorry I didn't make clear I'm currently a
> >Mac/Unix guy thinking about dumping my Mac for Linux (the Unix is our
> >supercomputer, which I am not allowed to take home).
>
> Well, if you run Linux on your Mac, you could use Mac-on-Linux to run
> MacOS inside Linux natively, and run any Mac software you need
> side-by-side with Linux stuff.
>
> See <http://www.ibrium.se/linux/mac_on_linux.html>.
Or, you can use Executor on an x86 box: http://www.ardi.com/.
Apparently it is much easier to emulate MacOS than Windows because
programs are actually written to match the documentation.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Guy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: HP35480A scsi tape drive config
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:02:59 GMT
I have loaded Red Hat 6.2 on an old PC. Most everything is working OK,
except for an HP35480 DAT drive. The device is seen at boot (see next -
dump from dmesg)
============================================================================
==================================
Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
st0: Error with sense data: [valid=0] Info fld=0x0, Current st09:00: sense
key Not Ready
============================================================================
==================================
1) Not sure to what to make of the message
2) Cannot find any good documentation on configuring scsi tape drives, much
less anything specific on this model
Looking for any guidance.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:03:58 -0400
No.You're SOL. Word's revision feature is one of the reasons writers use it,
and indeed, comes in very handy for what you allude to. It's a dream for
multiple-writer collaboration.
Latexlahex is a keystroke users dream, but it is not a modern gui, point &
click fancy word processor. Do what most do. Use Word under Windows as it
meant to be and just do your work.
"jazz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <qEqG5.3541$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan
> Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Well, then you probably want to take a look at
> > -abiword
> > -StarOffice (BLOATware)
> > -ApplixWare (payware)
> >
> > Or you can just distribute your documents as pdf's...
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Jan
>
>
>
> Please tell me more. For example, I just wrote a paper with someone in LA.
> I'm in New Jersey. I wrote a draft, emailed it to them, they revised it,
> resent it to me, I revised and made additions, sent it back, he revised,
> and I sent some additional parts, he put it all together, and sent it out
> to all the other authors, as a word attachment they all can read and make
> changes to.
>
> So these would have to import/export files in word-readible format.
>
> Can they do that? I doubt Bill would put up with that, and would instruct
> his minions to make a couple of tweaks in Word for insurance.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:08:17 -0400
This IS the problem folks! People are used to MS suite products. The GREAT,
read GREAT majority of people who actually DO work with computer software
use Office.
There are some suites that offer emulation, and limited compatibility. But
none, read NONE of these products are going to do most of the things that
users of Office are used to. PERIOD.
Latex is fine. But try to give this to an experienced user of Word and it's
not going to happen in this life time.
"jazz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I really need a powerful word processor with templates, styles, etc.
>
> What is available for Linux? How about for Powerpoint and Excel?
>
> Thanks ---
> Jazz
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From: "Jan Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:19:06 +0400
"Jean-David Beyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jan Schaumann wrote (in part):
>
>> use whatever you think does the job best for you. If you nedd 100%
>> MS-Word conformance, you will need MS-WORD, that's the sad truth. But
>> if you need 100% efficiency, well, that's a completely different story.
>
> The trouble is, 100% conformance with which version of MS-WORD? They do
> not seem to conform with one another. People with one version often have
> trouble reading documents written by another. Usually, the latest and
> greatest can read older versions, but not vice-versa, so if anyone uses
> a version newer than the others in a community, all the rest must
> upgrade. That can be an intolerable expense. The recent implementation
> of "fast save" (I think it is called), and distributing MS-Word with
> that turned on by default, is a particularly odious example.
Ack.
Well, that, of course, brings me back to the efficiency-factor. If you
have somewhat smart people you are workign with, convince them to use a
portable document format, which *everybody* can open/read and it will
look the same. I do't know for sure, but I seem to have heard some good
things about FrameMaker (or something like that, from Adobe) to do a good
job...
But I still think that LaTeX (LyX) is the best choice...
Cheers,
-Jan
P.S.: You sig has a wrong delimiter - the correct delimiter is "-- " and
NOT "--"
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: Arnaud Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: napster client without gui
Date: 16 Oct 2000 13:23:49 GMT
Jaap Brink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for both replies on knapster minus a gui. I don't think I'll use
> the napster version, which is a Java client that still has a gui (did I
> miss something ;-)). I'm going to try nap first as it appears to be like I
> was thinking. Simple, no gui, etc. BTW is there a way in nap to specify
> the numnber of simulteanous uploads, and/or upload speed?
Hmm you can say what your connection speed is, but it's just an indication
for other users. I don't know how you can limit the amount of simulteanous
uploads. In general I've never been maxed out. (Only once when downloading,
my hdd couldn't handle it to well and my mp3 player halted:)
Grt,
Arnaud.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:50 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:47:56 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pretty good don't cut it.
>
> It sucks and is even more bloated than MSOffice.
Define "it sucks". Define "bloated".
(I don't use office suites at all, BTW, I don't cultivate any
irrational sympathies towards any such product.)
mawa
--
Bl�mchenpfl�cker!
Bonsaig�rtner!
Beinrasierer!
Beischlafbettler!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:17:34 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:18:14 +0800...
...and Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a time that will be long remembered. It has seen the end of UNIX's
> hold on design software, it will soon see the end of its hold on publishing
> software.
Unix? A hold on publishing software?
Hallooooo? <waves hand>
Publishing software has, if any, been an Apple domain... for DTP to be
a real success on Unix workstations, the font handling has always been
too primitive.
The only notable exception is Framemaker, AFAIk. This may change in
the next few years.
mawa
--
Bl�mchenpfl�cker!
Bonsaig�rtner!
Beinrasierer!
Beischlafbettler!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:24:04 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:46:43 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Linux world that will 100 percent
> emulate MSOffice. Nothing at all.
The inevitable question is: Why would anyone in their right mind even
want to do that?
mawa
--
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Blue Ball | Bishop's Head | Cross Keys
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:23:25 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:50:23 -0400...
...and jazz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > claire
>
>
> Are you this offensive in real life too?
Claire does not exist in real life. There has been more than a dozen
of trolls with similar stances and a similar idiom and vocabulary
around on this group over the last months. They all had pseudonyms,
they all posted from New York City IIRC, etc.
The troll has changed its stance from blunt and total denial of any
quality of Linux whatsoever to a slightly differentiated one, where he
pretends to know its advantages as a server operating system. He has
also become a bit, but not much, less offensive. Furthermore, he has
adopted a female nickname, which is a clever move -- he's wagering on
the hormones and/or instincts of the overwhelming male majority in
this group.
Of course the troll ("Claire") is not a woman. No woman would be that
silly, only men are stubborn and playful enough to play a game to the
point of total absurdity and beyond (e.g. the Cold War).
In the de.* hierarchy, we tell everyone who doesn't post under their
realname to fuck off, which is a useful policy IMO.
mawa
--
Bl�mchenpfl�cker!
Bonsaig�rtner!
Beinrasierer!
Beischlafbettler!
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:09:46 -0400
From: Alex Deucher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: ACPI question
I'm fairly new to acpi. I have it compiled into my kernel, and it seems
to setup fine upon boot. I have the appropriate entries in /proc/sys.
I compiled and installed acpid,etc. and all of that seemed to go fine.
Now I guess my question is how do I use it? How do I set the power
management options? How do I set it up to turn off my pc when I shut
down? Perhaps these options aren't available as of yet. I can't seem to
find this info anywhere, and the acpi FAQ seems to more detail the
technical aspects rather than using/seting up the features. Any help
would be much appreciated.
Please reply to me directly when you reply as I cannot always get access
to this list.
Thanks,
Alex
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From: "asd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:17:16 +0200
sorry, it's only test...
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HP35480A scsi tape drive config
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:08:15 GMT
In article <70DG5.324081$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Guy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have loaded Red Hat 6.2 on an old PC. Most everything is working
OK,
> except for an HP35480 DAT drive. The device is seen at boot (see next
-
> dump from dmesg)
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------
> Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
> st0: Error with sense data: [valid=0] Info fld=0x0, Current st09:00:
sense
> key Not Ready
> -----------------------------------------------
Here you'll find some switch setting for your drive:
http://www.iohk.com/UserPages/wsyoung/12000e.html
got numerous other hits using:
http://www.northernlight.com
Looks like '/usr/src/linux/scsi/st.c' is complaining:
printk(KERN_WARNING "st%d: Error with sense data: ", dev);
? fatal ^^^^^^^^^ ?
---
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 16 Oct 2000 14:29:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip!>
: All I'm saying is that I'm sure that with a little bit of practice you
: will find yourself to be working much more efficiently using LaTeX than
: using word - you don't have to worry about what they document looks like
: while you're writing it.
: No more "highligth this, choose style, don't like it, choose another
: style, hit return 5 times, hit spacce 20 times, change font size
: blahblahblah".
Combine LaTeX with makefiles and CVS for even more productivity
goodness. Edit away for hours on end, do a commit and have
your editor do an update - instant collaboration and revision
control. I don't understand why people settle for so much less
by writing for looks instead of meaning...*shrug*
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Memory fragmentation?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:32:15 GMT
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:14:15 -0500, Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does memory fragment in linux with repeated allocations/deallocations?
It doesn't matter. Memory is random access.
>
>I remember somebody telling me that Windows NT uses memory management
>like linux, but from what I recall my NT box would slowly become
>sluggish (over several weeks). Since people seem to run linux servers
>for well over a year without rebooting, I'm curious about whether linux
>has some sort of auto memory defragmentation.
Sounds like fragmentation on the swapfile as well as memory being lost due to
the failure of the OS to reclaim memory that hasn't been deallocated before a
process exits.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RogerB)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: What is System.map ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:42:04 GMT
I never found that very useful. I run three different kernels
on my other machine and call them System.map-x.x.xx. or what ever and
it get sorted out at boot. It seems that if lilo's map can map the boot
dir then the kernel will look through it until it finds the right system.map
file. There might be a size restriction, I haven't used more that three
kernels on a system but they all seem to boot ok without telling lilo
what map to use.
For example on one machine I have two different versions of the
same kernel to use a certain drive. One version has the RTAI patch.
What I do is in the kernel makefile add RT (or whatever) to the
var EXTRAVERSION and compile the modules with full version info so that when
I make_modules they can get their own dir. When I copy my System.map
to /boot I give them a descriptive name so I ended up with System.map-2.2.14
System.map-2.2.12 and System.map-2.2.12-rt with no mention of a map in lilo.
I would think it has more todo with version info in the kernel than lilo.
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:14:04 +1000, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>.au> wrote:
>
>"RogerB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> The lilo map file is a map of the hard drive geometry. It needs to
>> know were on the drive stuff is. System.map maps kernel functions and
>> version info.
>
>I understand that concept quite well.
>
>I was referring to the fact that Steve had said to use the lilo map option
>to point to a System.map, however lilo docs say the map defaults to
>/boot/map, the lilo map file, not the System.map file....
>
>Or does the map file refer to both?
>
><SNIP>
>
>See ya
>
>Michael - please remove is dead to reply
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:42:57 -0400
From: Alex Deucher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: kgcc and RH7
I have redhat 7 installed and am trying to get the test kernels to
compile. I have heard that there are issues with gcc 2.96. I have kgcc
installed, but I'm not sure how to use it. I have tried the following
and it still seems to be using gcc. Also when I do use gcc (not kgcc),
the kernel compiles but it takes about 4-5 times as long as it did under
RH 6.1. The kernel even boots, but several modules fail to work.
Here's what I have tried:
1. Changing "hostcc" in the top level Makefile to kgcc
2. setting CC=kgcc as an environment variable and then compiling
3. typing "CC=kgcc make dep modules etc."
Yet when it starts compling each line in the output says gcc rather than
kgcc, and I get LOTS of warnings about "nothing can be pasted after this
token." Is this right? I never got this under the old rh6.1 gcc. It
also takes 4-5 times longer to compile in rh7.
Please reply to me directly as I can't always get to this list.
Thanks,
Alex
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:02:31 -0400
From: Alex Deucher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: cdrecord and smart and friendly mach 12
I have a 1st generation smart and friendly mach 12 12x scsi CDR. I
haven't found any documented support for this drive in cd-record or
cdrdao, although it seems to work using mmc. The drive is hanging off
an adaptec 2940. I have an a atapi 44x cdrom and a 7200rpm ata/66 hd,
both using dma. I'm using the 2.4.0 test kernels (both redhat's, and
self-complied ones) and redhat 7. I can't get the drive to burn
reliably. I can't get it to complete a burn at all from the cdrom, but
from the harddrive I can only get it to run at most 3-4x mode. If I try
it any faster or using the cdrom as a source, I get either buffer
underruns, if it actually starts burning, or I get errors complaining
about the pre-burn areas and failed commands and responses (I don't
remember off hand the exact messages, I'll look them up and post).
The drive works fine under win98 at all speeds using both the cdrom and
harddrive as sources. However, I got similar error messages under win98
initially, but a patch to adaptec EZ cd-creator 4 on adaptec's web site
fixed that.
So I guess I'm wondering whether this is a kernel issue, or a
cd-record/cdrdao issue. I have heard that there are issues with the sg
interface in the newer kernels. I'm using the cdrecord that came with
rh7 and the newest cdrdao (as of a week ago).
Any advice is much appreciated,
Please reply to me directly as I can't always get to these groups.
Thanks,
Alex
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