Linux-Misc Digest #80, Volume #21 Mon, 19 Jul 99 08:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Does Your KeyBoard Do This Under X ? (Anita Lewis)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: Linux Kernel Compilation Problem (Martin Lucas)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Ancipital)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: rlogin without password (Jon Skeet)
Staroffice destroys!!! ("FTO")
Re: extract files form image (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: My crazy email scheme (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: RedHat 6.0 instability (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Extracting Netscape from RedHat CD? (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: install problem (Alex)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Costello)
Re: URGENT HELP! My linux box has gone wild! (John Rainer)
Re: tulip.o ("Ricky J. Sethi")
Re: Store a date in a variable. (Floyd Davidson)
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Your KeyBoard Do This Under X ?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:35:47 GMT
I don't use either of these, but I had the problem in Netscape and this worked
in ~/.xinitrc enter xmodmap -e 'keycode 22 = BackSpace'
Hope that helps
Anita
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a normal microsoft keyboard, but when i enter X using either GNOME or
> KDE and try to use BACKSPACE it will not work unless I highlight the text.
> This only occurs when using KDE or GNOME windows. When I run any of the
> programs, they support BACKSPACE. Anyone know how i can make BACKSPACE work
> properly ? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:24:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:09:49 +0600, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Kulisz wrote:
>> ...it would
>> also be far better if the USA instituted a progressive tax
>> system that took from the rich to give to the poor.
>I can never figure out this one: why would that be good?
It would not. Take note that all proponents of progressive
taxes do not move to countries with higher progressive taxation.
Marcin Krol
==================================================
Reality is something that does not disappear after
you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:19:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:33:27 +0600, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>don't accept that the govt is the _only_ source of such influence. Govt
>is very bad,
It is not bad, just mindless. It simply has no bottom level of
effectivity. It can't go bankrupt for example, just sinks
the economy even lower and still lives off it.
>and the big papas of the industry like to point that out,
>but if you let them completely loose themselves, they'll foul up the
>earth and will eat people alive.
_How_ are they going to do that? We assume that they can't
literally put the gun to your or mine head.
"Those who do not distinguish between power of a dollar
and power of a whip, soon will learn the difference on their
backs" -- Ayn Rand.
>At least, the ones that would, will
>come out on top, and so in the long run that'll be the rule.
The only way they can "harm" you is by offering popular
options that you do not like. Like McDonalds. But still,
you _do_ have a choice of not going to McDonalds. Even
if most restaurants were McDonalds, not all of them are.
Marcin Krol
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you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
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From: Martin Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux Kernel Compilation Problem
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:59:50 +1000
I tried it with 2.0.10 and got exactly the same error. Must be something wrong
with my setup I guess. Thanks anyway.
Martin.
"Frederic L. W. Meunier" wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:57:40 +1000, Martin Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I have Redhat 5.2 installed with kernel 2.0.36. I have tried to upgrade
> >the kernel to 2.3.0 but keep on getting an error (the error is attached
>
> 2.3.0 is a devel kernel and 2.5.5 just don't exist. Try with the latest
> stable, 2.2.10 (or 2.0.37).
>
> >below). I also tried with the 2.5.5 kernel and got exactly the same
> >error message. I checked the Changes document for required software
> >versions and upgraded the ones that weren't. The only thing that I
> >wasn't sure about was whether I had the correct libc version, but it
> >seemed to look OK.
>
> The Glibc2 shipped with RedHat 5.2 is fine. I'm using it on my 5.1 box.
>
> >make -C arch/i386/lib
> >make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib'
> >make all_targets
> >make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib'
> >make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all_targets'.
> >make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib'
> >make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib'
> >ld -m elf_i386 -T /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext
> >arch/i386/kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o
> >init/version.o \
> > --start-group \
> > arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o
> >fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o \
> > fs/filesystems.a \
> > net/network.a \
> > drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/misc/misc.a
> >drivers/net/net.a drivers/cdrom/cdrom.a drivers/pci/pci.a
> >drivers/pnp/pnp.a drivers/video/video.a \
> > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux/lib/lib.a
> >/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib/lib.a \
> > --end-group \
> > -o vmlinux
> >drivers/char/char.a(msp3400.o): In function `msp3400c_init':
> >msp3400.o(.text+0x1d02): undefined reference to `register_sound_mixer'
> >make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
>
> Try with 2.2.10 to see if you get this (I doubt).
>
> --
> Frederic L. W. Meunier = Niteroi, RJ - Brazil = Tel: +55-21-620-7173
> Contact: fredlwm@{olympiquedemarseille.org,urbi.com.br} = IRC: _19751127
> [root@marseille /tmp]# f{l,r}ames;java*;HTML_mail;SPAM > /dev/null
> (All text before "--" isn't my opinion nor my employer's)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ancipital)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:49:54 GMT
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:06:20 -0500, "Paul E. Bell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Someone told me the other day that BSD was loosing support (or rather,
>that there was no-one supporting it as far as upgrades, bug fixes,
>etc.). I have seen commercial packaging of Linux distributions, but
>have not so far seen any BSD implementations advertised.
Don't trust everything you hear. I ran a commercial BSDi webserver,
years ago :)
Remember, "some guy in a newsgroup" (me included) is prone to
recycling the sma etired old shit, and just adding an extra twist-
it's like chinese whispers. Always (at the danger of morphing into
RueBot) look at their agenda.
Also, there's FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD out there- a lot of
machines. The various flavours are fine in their own ways too- and
there's a dedicated hardcore set of hackers looking after most of it.
The fact is that the penguin makes a better workstation, and a lot of
enduser type apps are being built for it. A lot will recompile on
other unices without a problem, but a few won't. This is enough to put
a lot of people off too. Linux gets good press as being the least
threatening of the unixalikes that Joe Public can afford..
Oh, and the Penguin looks a lot more cuddly than the little BSD devil
:)
>Someone else here said that BSD currently has a greater following than
>Linux, and that the TCP/IP stack problems in Linux are bugs which the
>Linux community is loathe to admit.
See above. Don't trust everything you hear. The bugs were indeed
present, but a lot of them are really old, and fixed a long time ago.
There are some design flaws relating to threading etc, which cause it
to not perform as fast as it could under some circumstances (more than
a few of which are a little contrived :-), but they are being worked
upon.
Remeber, Linux doesn't work like windows. If there's something wrong
with it, people hack a solution, rather than trying to hide it. It's a
bit too vegatable rights and peace for some folks, but it does work-
arguably better than a lot of the more expensive commercial
development setups. It's more nimble, more likely to deliver what the
more expert userbase want. Linux has no "roadmap". FUDsters cite it as
a weakness, but actually, it isn't. The OS goes where the users want
to take it.
Oooh, that was all a bit religious. Sorry about that! :)
Ancipital- Inedible Buddhas reality control #1
http://www.buddhas.org is currently tqt- back soon.
To unmung email addr, remove all instances of "aremadeoffish"
"I'm not crying victim, but I am stating that a lot of spammers
are genuine scumbags." -Sanford Wallace
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:23:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 17 Jul 1999 09:27:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Nobody can ensure "we're all just fine". That just does not happen
>>in this world. However, we can be possibly best off, though that
>>"best" is not perfect. If government keeps its hands off the economy
>>and people's affairs, we're best off that it can be there. "If one
>There's a time when government did that, it was called the Roaring 20s
>and led directly to the Great Depression.
Then check what Federal Reserve did with gold standard if you think
1929 was result of capitalism.
<snip>
>can stop it from raping the Third World under the pretense of
>"economic development" then they will be happier too.
If the West does not send armies to the Third World directly to rip
them off but trades, then the claim of Third World being "ripped off"
is ridiculous. In voluntary trade, both sides benefit or one of them
simply backs off, why should they do otherwise short of having the gun
put to their heads?
>However,
>this is only a first step; it would be far better if the USA
>restored what it has stolen from the Third World, and it would
>also be far better if the USA instituted a progressive tax
>system that took from the rich to give to the poor.
Progressive tax simply adds to the prices of products, naiviete.
It just gets passed onto customer most of the time. That's
why living in socialist Europe is more expensive and difficult
than in US.
Harming free trade is precisely harming the poor. Rich
will manage. Those are poor that need free market and
free trade.
Marcin Krol
==================================================
Reality is something that does not disappear after
you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
==================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Subject: Re: rlogin without password
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:36:06 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I had tried putting a .rhosts file in the user's directory as you
> explained, but it didn't work.
That may be due to the file permissions. They should be -rw------ (ie
readable and writable only by the user).
> I would be interested to use ssh if it is more secure, but I cannot find
> any information on it. There is no man page.
Presumably because it isn't installed yet :)
> Could you please point me to some ssh documentation???
Try http://www.ssh.fi/
You should read the licensing details carefully though - I believe SSH v1
is the one to use as the licence is considerably more lenient.
--
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: "FTO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Staroffice destroys!!!
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:37:17 +0400
I started to install StarOffice 5.1 and the install programme told me to
force the installation of libraries, (I can't remember which ones) Anyways
it literally killed my system. I was running Redhat 6.0 kernel 2.2.5-15.
What should I do after I have installed everything again and try to install
the office again?
Thanks
Newbie FTO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: extract files form image
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:39:57 GMT
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:03:29 +0000, sunchange lee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hi:
> anybody know if there is a method or tool by which i can extract files
>from image file(*.img) into hard disk without using a floppy.
Yes. Use a loopback device. The basic idea is that you setup the
file concerned as a loopback device using "losetup", then mount
/dev/loop0 (or whatever you set it up as - there are usually 8
available, IIRC) in the normal way.
The commands are simply (from memory, untested recently, but
should work anyway):
losetup /dev/loop0 whatever.img
# if the above fails, perhaps loop0 is in use...try loop1,
# and so on. highly unlikely that all 8 of them are in
# use.
mount -t ext2 /dev/loop0 empty.directory
# or loop1, or whatever succeeded in the losetup
Your kernel must be compiled with loopback device support for this
to work.
RH comes compiled with this enabled. If yours doesn't, or you
made a custom kernel that you didn't include this on, you'll have
to recompile your kernel, etc.
HTH. HAND.
PS: Please do not confuse this with the loopback network device
"lo" that you get as address 127.0.0.1. Apart from the name
similarity, there is no connection between these two animals!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: My crazy email scheme
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:39:59 GMT
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:40:30 GMT, M. Buchenrieder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>dynamic dialup IP - My Computer (I write message to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
>> |
>> | (Protocol unknown to me)
>
>SMTP
>
>> V
>>mail.sprint.net
>> |
>> | (POP3 Commands)
>> V
>>Joe's computer (floating IP)
>
>>this way sprint gets what it wants and I can say my address is
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
>
>[...]
>
>This will most likely not work, since I doubt that mail.sprint.net
>will let you relay mail through it. If it does, then it is broken.
Likely true. But he wouldn't be sending specifically to
"mail.sprint.net" - rather, his MTA (sendmail, qmail, whatever...)
would be doing an MX lookup on the domain of his intended
recepient, and SMTP to that host. Which had better accept it or
else no one with such an email address will ever get any email ;-)
Assuming he wanted to go this route instead of just using a
Reply-To: header, of course, and installed and configured his MTA
properly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.0 instability
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:40:00 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:05:37 GMT, Sean Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>bit of trouble with programs randomly crashing (usually without a core
>dump, so there's no way to see what happened) on my machine. The computer
Check what ulimit is set to - to prevent some kinds of cracker
attacks, it's good to disable core dumps entirely using ulimit.
Maybe that's what you're seeing.
commands:
ulimit -a # check
ulimit -c unlimited # change, OR use:
ulimit -c 100000000 # 100 MB approx
>during that time. So, the idea of a hardware problem is *not* out of the
>question, but I wanted to bounce this off some other folks to see if anyone
As always when you suspect hardware, the best thing to do is try
and compile the kernel. If the first try doesn't get any errors,
do it in a loop overnight. I suggest something like (untested)
cd /usr/src/linux
make xconfig # or whatever you like, just get a .config there!
ulimit -c 100000000
then
while [ true ]
do
make dep || break
make clean || break
make bzImage || break
done
echo "something died at" `date`
If you come back in the morning and everything is still running,
your hardware is good. If not, you should see a core file and
some sort of message (perhaps a SIG11 - indicating memory errors?)
Don't run X at all while doing this the first time, to eliminate X
server bugs/problems.
See the sig11 FAQ for mroe details.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Extracting Netscape from RedHat CD?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:40:02 GMT
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:53:55 GMT, Gordon D. Anderson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I purchased a RedHat package, but after looking it over, installed
>Slackware instead. This is just a personal thing, but RedHat seemed too
>automatic without much explanation, and I wanted to try to understand the
>installation and configuration process. Slackware is fine.
>
>Netscape has not yet been installed and I didn't get a copy with
>Slackware. It's too big to download. There is a copy of Netscape on one
>of the RedHat CDs and I am wondering if there is someway to get at and
>install that without using the RPM. Am I overlooking something obvious
>here? Thanks.
If you can install rpm itself, you'll get a tool called
"rpm2cpio". Or - even better - get some friend who has RedHat
installed to run this for you and get you cpio versions of the
netscape RPMs you want.
Then cpio them out and you should be all set.
(untested)
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general,redhat.rpm.general
Subject: Re: install problem
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:37:05 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Larry Standhey wrote:
>
> I am trying to make a full install of RedHat 5.2 from a cdrom distribution.
> The install keeps telling me I am running out of space. Can anyone tell me
> how much space is required to install the os plus all the goodies; gcc,
> samba, and more?
>
> I also don't fully understand how to configure the disk partitions and mount
> points. How many should there be? What should their size be? I have a 2.4 G
> HDD Any suggestions?
>
Hi Larry,
What's your current setup look like now? I'm just curious
because when I first started mucking round with linux
I got the same sort of messages and I can't remember exactly
why.
Anyway, _my_ setup looks like this roughly (might not suit you though):
/ - 48Mb
/usr - 1600Mb
/home - 500Mb
swap - 64Mb
My very first Linux setup only had 2 partitions. Just a huge `/' and
64Mb swap
but upon getting to know a bit more about linux this setup wasn't very
ideal
for me.
Hope this helped.
Alex
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From: Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:19:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ancipital <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Oh, and the Penguin looks a lot more cuddly than the little BSD devil
> :)
You mean that mean old penguin that, to paraphrase, "is about
to charge you" as compared to the cute, lovable, smiling BSD
daemon (and not 'devil') (especially on 2.2 and older discs)? :)
--
|Chris Costello
|Choose variable names that will not be confused.
`------------------------------------------------
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Rainer)
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP! My linux box has gone wild!
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:42:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:54:52 -0400, kinthalas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Marc Mutz wrote:
>>
>> Frank Conte wrote:
>> >
>> <snip>
>> > Something's typing silly, senseless commands
>> > keep appearing at the prompt. Could it be that I improperly shut down
>> > the machine earlier?
>> >
>> Maybe you have cat'ed binary data to your terminal? If so, using another
>> xterm/VTC will do and you can work with that. If it is like the error I
>> posted some time ago here where all VTC's were corrupted such that some
>> chars were just vertical lines 1 pixel wide, then I'm afraid rebooting
>> will be the only way. But it will work under X just fine...
>
>Couldn't you also just use the 'reset' command to fix the binary
>characters used as real characters problem, and 'setfont' to fix most
>other bizarre console font problems (like those caused by SVGAlib
>programs doing weird things to the display after exiting)?
Could you expand a bit on on the 'wierd display' setfont fix, please?
When I quit Xwindows, the screen displays a colourful page of garbage
symbols - still responds to the keyboard, but can't see what I'm doing
and have to reboot. I would like to know how to stop this - still a
Linux newbie, so simple instructions appreciated :)
John Rainer
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From: "Ricky J. Sethi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tulip.o
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:36:09 -0700
Snowi3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7muqho$qs6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I already have the latest version of tulip, and it makes no difference
what
> version I am running
>
> /Snowi3
> Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 02:28:06 +0200, Snowi3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Hi
> > >
> > >I have a cnet pro110b fast ethernet card, 10/100 mbit .... I found out
> > >through cnet that it's based on the Asix 88140 chip. And through the
net,
> I
> > >found out that this chip is supported by the tulip.o driver .... I
> modprobed
> > >with it, and it found a card ... I recompiled the kernel, and inserted
> > >support for the tulip.o driver ..... And it finds a card on bootup,
> > >modprobes it, and up's it and everything ... when I run ifconfig, I
have
> an
> > >eth0 with the ip 192.168.1.10 ... And no errors what sp ever when it
> boots
> > >up the card, it even identifies the chip as AX88140 ..... But whenever
I
> try
> > >to ping another ip on my network, and on the same subnet, like
> 192.168.1.20,
> > >I get a 100 % packet loss, and no replies. I works fine to ping my ip
> > >internal though, like if I ping 192.168.1.10, I get full reply .....
And
> > >then there is another strange thing .... When I ping another on my net,
> the
> > >lamp on the hub that is lid for my nic blinks, so obviesly there is
> > >something going on on the network ...... I know the card is ok, since
it
> > >works fine in windows ... Does anybody have an idea ??
> > >
> >
> > Get the latest version of the tulip.c driver at:
> >
> > http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/tulip.c
> >
> > and either compile it as a module or replace the drivers/net/tulip.c
file
> > in your kernel source with this tulip.c and rebuild your kernel.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> >
[SNIP]
Hi,
You might want to check the "Re: Machine disappears till ping" thread under
comp.os.linux and the IP Aliasing problem thread on linux.redhat.misc.
Good luck,
Rick.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Store a date in a variable.
Date: 19 Jul 1999 11:06:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[emailed and posted]
Bertrand LEFEBVRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to store a formatted date like date +'%d%m%y' in a variable
>called NOW to be able to keep trace of some files ex: passwd to keep it
>like passwd.290799. Thanks .
First let me suggest changing the order to '%y%m%d', because
files will then sort easily from the oldest to the newest.
To set a variable,
NOW=`date +'%y%m%d'`
That can be used in a script,
cp /etc/passwd ./passwd.${NOW}
You can also do,
cp /etc/passwd ./passwd.`date +'%y%m%d'`
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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