Linux-Misc Digest #125, Volume #21 Thu, 22 Jul 99 16:13:08 EDT
Contents:
ISA AWE64 blasts!! during boot. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Spanning Compressed Image ("Christopher W. Aiken")
Re: Quicken clone? (Doug DeJulio)
Re: DOS Shell? (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: Scrolling with a mouse wheel in Linux ("Chad J. Sanders")
Re: Real Audio 5.0 ("Chad J. Sanders")
Real Audio 5.0 ("Chad J. Sanders")
Re: Iomega ZIP parallel zip drive under red hat linux 6.0 problem solved (Sitaram
Chamarty)
Re: I finally got X to work with my SIS 620 THANKS ! (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks (UPDATE!) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Subject: Why all the symbolic links in linux (Norman Levin)
Re: I want to run Gnome/Enlightenment w/RH 6.0, but I have config (Robert Wiegand)
Re: Permissions - why can a user delete a file not his own? (Santiago de Pablo)
Re: root password (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Red Hat vs. Mandrake (Scott Prive)
dump & restore; tape backup in general ("Derek R. Dreyer")
_NICs ("Brian")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Greg Yantz)
Linux Training ("JamesH")
Re: Compile kernel --> PROBLEM ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ISA AWE64 blasts!! during boot.
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:49:55 GMT
Hi,
I have an isa pnp AWE64 value installed in a system with Debian 2.1 and
RedHat 6.0. Once in a while during the boot of the Debian/Linux the
speakers make a loud blast! This is annoying. I couldn't determine the
exact time of the booting that I have this problem but I believe that it
could be when I modprob midi in one of my init.d files.
I'm using isapnp to load SB and RedHat does not have this problem. Does
anyone have similar experience?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Christopher W. Aiken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Spanning Compressed Image
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:34:51 -0400
I thought I saw something called "split" when I installed Linux.
Could be wrong though, won't be the first time and definitely
not the last :-) Good place to start.
...cwa
Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
> I want to compress files, and span the compressed image(s) across several
> disks. g(un)zip and tar don't seem to have the capabilities to do that.
> Can anybody suggest how to do this?
--
===================================================================
The box said 'WIN95/98 or better.' so I installed LINUX!
#!/bin/csh
unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; more ; umount ; sleep
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug DeJulio)
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: Quicken clone?
Date: 22 Jul 1999 13:32:27 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This brings up an issues I have been cogitating about recently - the
>protocol used to interface with the online banking systems- is this an open
>protocol or proprietary? Should there be a push for a more open protocol for
>this to promote Free Software development in this area?
At one point, I found a standards document describing this on VISA's
anonymous FTP servers. I'm not sure if the standard described was
proposed, in actual use by anyone, ratified, or just a dream. I can't
find the document there today.
A Google search on ("online banking" protocol standard) turns up an
"OFC and Microsoft Money" document that claims to describe how
Microsoft Money communicates with banks via an "Open Financial
Connectivity" standard, but the document is dated 1996.
A further Google search on "Open Financial Connectivity" has an Intuit
press release (dated Jan 16, 1997) saying that Microsoft, Intuit and
CheckFree have all agreed on this standard, and that it'll be made
into a unified specification in 1998.
Microsoft has a site about this topic at
"http://www.microsoft.com/ofc/", and that site has a "for developers
only" link on it. Following that link gets you to the OFC
specification and a developers toolkit. Apparently, OFC is an SGML
DTD which just describes the data format, and you *use* it by for
example transferring files back and forth with an SSL web server --
but the standard doc is in MS Word format, so I can't read it (I have
a Linux desktop with no Word-compatible tools installed). On the plus
side, the DTD hasn't been modified since 1996 (they probably can't
change it rapidly -- banks don't move quickly).
I hope that's enough to get someone started -- I would like to see
development in this area, and I don't have time to work on it myself
right now.
--
Doug DeJulio | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HKS, Incorporated | http://www.hks.net/~ddj/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: DOS Shell?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:13:09 GMT
On 20 Jul 1999 21:51:13 GMT, Daniel Forester wrote:
>I guess I'm a newbie to linux, though am no stranger to UNIX and using a
>shell account and what-not; administrating is the main thing I'm learning
>right now with linux. Anyways, at work, and sometimes other places, I
>need to use DOS... I've heard that there are other shells, perhaps one
>close in the line of bash for DOS? I get @#%()*@#& tired of the subtle
>differences (dir/ls, del/rm, etc) that invariably make one's life hell.
If you run BASH as your shell, try adding a few lines to your .profile
file;
alias dir='ls'
alias del='rm'
etc.. You really shouldn't, though, because it's invariably better to get
used to the command set so that you'll be able to use any *NIX box you come
across.
I, personally, boot between OS/2 and Linux on my personnal machine. After
being booted to Linux for 2-3 days, I find myself typing 'ls' at the command
prompt - but I quickly re-adapt.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: "Chad J. Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Scrolling with a mouse wheel in Linux
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:11:54 -0500
I, too, would like to configure my MS wheel mouse in RH 6. Does anyone have
any suggestions on 'how-to' do this?
Thanks in advance!
Chad.//
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From: "Chad J. Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real Audio 5.0
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:14:52 -0500
Never mind, I read the previous 'Realaudio' message.
Chad J. Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7n7l21$47i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've installed RA 5 on my RH 6 machine. But each time that I click on a RA
> link, I get the message about saving the file. I don't want to save it, I
> want to play it. Does anyone know what I should do? Or is X11amp a better
> product to use for streaming live audio?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Chad.//
>
>
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From: "Chad J. Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Real Audio 5.0
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:40:32 -0500
I've installed RA 5 on my RH 6 machine. But each time that I click on a RA
link, I get the message about saving the file. I don't want to save it, I
want to play it. Does anyone know what I should do? Or is X11amp a better
product to use for streaming live audio?
Thanks in advance!
Chad.//
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Iomega ZIP parallel zip drive under red hat linux 6.0 problem solved
Date: 22 Jul 1999 04:57:15 -0700
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:08:58 GMT, L.G.E. Laproi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No need to type a lot, use dmesg to have a look at that. :-)
It helps to get people into the habit of looking at the syslog
file :-) In particular, the timestamp that /var/log/messages has
is very useful sometimes (when debugging problems like - as I am
right now on a friend's machine - PCMCIA troubles, it helps to see
these messages with exact timestamps on them).
But of course, you're absolutely right - dmesg is better for this
specific purpose. Just that I've stopped using it and so it's not
the first thing I think of :-)
Sitaram
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: I finally got X to work with my SIS 620 THANKS !
Date: 22 Jul 1999 04:57:16 -0700
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:19:05 -0400, Allix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Surprisingly I found the answer on an Indian Linux page. Thank you folks for
>all your help.
Well in case someone else does a deja.com search for the SIS 620
and finds this message (after all - the subject line is so
inviting: "I finally got X to work") why not post the URL that
helped you?
Sitaram
...just another Indian Linuxer :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks (UPDATE!)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:59:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Phillips) wrote:
> Gabe,
> Does that mena you are taking him off the xmas card list too?
> (jes kiddin) duckin' & runnin'
>
> BTW you realize that IBM doing the linux thing is the first time in
> 18 years they have made a move in a positive and TIMELY manner.
> egads! another sign of armegeddon?
>
>
Well, actually I sent his address to go on Ted Kazinski's (SP?) mailing
list. :^)
Well, at least IBM is getting the message that Linux is here and it's
here to stay!
Gabriel/TSS!
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:00:44 -0500
From: Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Subject: Why all the symbolic links in linux
There still seems to be a misconception on what symbolic links do
over 'hard' links. In other systems I've worked with, the command compress,
uncompress and zcat are all HARD LINKS. With an ls -l, you
can see the link count is 3. Since all of these are commands, they
are found in /usr/bin (in the system I'm referring to). Hard links
are basically, multiple directory entries with different names, that have
the same inode number. It is the same as calling a program by n different
names. The ONLY reason symbolic links exist is so you can have the
advantage of hard links AND cross filesystems. Since each filesystem has
it's own unique inodes, you can NOT have hard links.
In fact, in browsing thru one of the redhat distributions, I came
across a program that would turn symbolic links to hard links when
appropriate. The ONLY reason I don't want to run this program, is when
I'm demonstrating some features of Linux to others, I want my system to
look as much like theres as possible.
Maybe there's something in the filesystem standards document. Right
now, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
--
Norman Levin
vm/dynAmIX inc.
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From: Robert Wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: I want to run Gnome/Enlightenment w/RH 6.0, but I have config
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:51:41 -0500
Tom wrote:
> To make a long story short, how do I configure Gnome and Enlightenment?
> Is there configuration information anywhere?
Check the gnome web site www.gnome.org.
--
Regards,
Bob Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Santiago de Pablo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.slackware,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Permissions - why can a user delete a file not his own?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:17:08 +0200
Frank v Waveren escribi�:
>
> In article <7n174g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Rahul Tripathi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > In comp.os.linux.misc W Canaday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>> You can prevent users from deleting files in a directory by setting the
> >>> directory's "sticky bit" using chmod. The command would be something
> >>> like:
> >>>
> >>> chmod o+s dirname
> >
> > Hang on. s is the setuid bit. The sticky bit is t.
> > "chmod +s" on a directory wouldn't do anything.
>
> Which brings us to a question i've been wondering about for a while.
> What does the suid/sgid bit do on dirs? If it does nothing, as you say,
> why would the filessystem code allow it? It seems weird to me. (But then again
> a lot of things seem weird to me).
>
> Anybody?
>
As far as I know, and as far as I *use*, the 's' bit is used on
directories to force any new file created there to be owned by the group
of the directory, not by the group of the user.
Here we have (on RedHat 5.2):
/home/projects 775 root.root.others
/home/projects/prj1 2770 root.prj1group.others Used by prj1 users
/home/projects/prj2 2770 root.prj2group.others Used by prj2 users
When a user from prj1group creates a file in /home/projects/prj1, the
owner is the same user, but the group is not his group, but the
prj1group. So other users from the same group can see and modify (umask
002) that file.
Cheers, Santiago.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: root password
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:42:39 GMT
Yes.
You can also change your /etc/inittab so as to start a getty (rather
than a shell) attached to the console on startup of single user mode
(Slackware does this).
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:07:42 -0500, Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Isn't there a statement that you can put in lilo.conf which would
>require a password in single mode?
>--
>Norman Levin
>vm/dynAmIX inc.
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant, Development Services
Toronto Dominion Bank
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employers')
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From: Scott Prive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Red Hat vs. Mandrake
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:15:43 -0400
Mandrake is VERY close to RedHat, but different enough for me to have a
preference :)
If I generalize, the versions of software included with Mandrake contain more
bugfixes and is more stable than Red Hat, but the bugfixes I am talking about
are like KDE, Gnome, etc.... nothing that would cause your system to lock up.
You may find installing Mandrake fixes your problem, but so might reinstalling
Red Hat... something has to be misconfigured, like using a SCSI kernel when you
have only IDE, etc.
I do reccomend Mandrake, I'm just saying there may be a larger issue like setup
config...
Scott
David Eno wrote:
> I've heard that Red Hat and Mandrake were very similar. I have a machine
> that locks up when running Red Hat. I've tried OpenLinux and SuSE, and they
> work fine, but they aren't really what I'm looking for.
>
> I am tempted to try Mandrake, but I don't want to have the same problems I
> have with Red Hat. How closely related are the two distributions?
>
> Thank you for your input.
>
> --
> Dave E.
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From: "Derek R. Dreyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: dump & restore; tape backup in general
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:56:34 -0400
I've been searching for good linux tape backup software, something like
Backup Exec for Windows, but nothing has completely worked so far.
Taper came close to working but dumped core when I asked it to back up
my whole root partition (1.7G). I have an ATAPI 20GB tape drive, so I'd
really like a program that can handle tapes of size greater than 4GB
(taper supposedly can't).
I asked some friends, and one of them said he used dump & restore. I
tried dump, and after giving it the right incantation (with the -B
option) to tell it my tape drive was big, not tiny, it did the whole
dump (of my root partition), took about 35 minutes. Then, I tried using
restore in interactive mode to see if I could restore a particular
file. Unfortunately, however, it seems to choke when I ask it to "add"
any particular file to the "extraction list", but directories it doesn't
mind. I didn't actually try restoring a directory (will do that
tonight), but I suspect it'll work.
1) Does anyone know why it wouldn't restore a file? The error was
something like
Bad addentry in ./home/dreyer (the directory containing the file I
wanted to add to the extraction list)
2) Does anyone know if dump and restore has any problem with tapes >
4GB?
3) I have an ATAPI drive (the only way I can access it seems to be
through /dev/ht0). Does anyone have any experience with such drives and
recommend any programs? I've read BRU is a great tool and will work
with anything, but I'd like to explore _all_ other options first before
I shell out $80.
Derek
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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat
Subject: _NICs
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:50:41 -0500
Hello. I am building a network and have never put a Linux machine on it.
I was wondering what 10/100 Network Interface Cards you use and if you have
any problems. Are there any that you would recommend? Also, is there a
problem with putting 2 of the same type/make of NIC in the same computer?
Thank you!
-Brian
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:46:10 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:58:31 GMT...
> ..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Yes. But it is not *all* we do. Listen, this discussion seems to have
> > >reached a standstill. You know the story of the optimist saying that
> > >the glass is half full while the pessimist says that it's half empty?
I never said it was *all* we do. In fact, I've said the opposite
fairly frequently.
> > >You, on the other hand, claim that as long as there is a trace of
> > >instincts and animal nature left, we are animals, and not human.
You clearly didn't read my automotive analogy very carefully. :)
> > He never said "not human". We can be both.
Thank you. I must not have been clear enough.
> Then what is the problem if he accepts that we are different from
> animals?
I have. I do. Read my posts more carefully. I just keep pointing out
that you should never neglect our animal side... You seem to focus
on our intelligent, reasoning side to the exclusion of all else.
> > >If you think so... Nevertheless, it was something animals would *not*
> > >have been capable of. As cynical as it may sound, this, too, is *human
> > >nature* and not *animal nature*. Of course it's the dark side of human
> > >nature. But it is not animal behaviour. Animals do not commit
> > >genocide or coldly plan systems of oppression and destruction.
> > Actually, they do. At least, they have wars in which they try to wipe out
> > completely competing tribes. Mostly primates, sure, but...
Or ants. They wage wars for both reasons- extermination *and* enslavement.
> Why do you all shy away from a frontal assault and keep on arguing
> about stupid little definition problems? Man is in so many various
> ways different from other animals that he's not animal anymore. What's
> the point?
I do not and have not denied that man is different from other animals.
I've even described some of the ways myself. However, a platypus is
different from other animals, while still clearly being an animal.
We're complex creatures, with a dual nature. (Reread my bad automotive
analogy...) You seem to not want to admit to half of our nature, and that's
foolishness; it's dangerous wishful thinking.
-Greg
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From: "JamesH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Linux Training
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:10:39 -0700
Hello,
Can anyone recommend a good Linux Training Organization?
Has anyone used or heard anything about Linuxcare or Redhat training?
Jim Holloway
GTS, Inc.
800 888-9874 ext. 203
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Compile kernel --> PROBLEM
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:19:31 -0500
How did you untar the sources? Did you do it over the top of the old
sources, or did you move or delete the old sources first before you untarred
the tarball? If you untarred into a fresh area, then you could try, 'make
mrproper' and try again. That should remove all configuration information
and you will have to run make config again. Hint - try make menuconfig or
make xconfig instead, as it is much easier to use and there is help
available for many of the options.
Tom Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kenny Kim Leung wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I'm a newbie. I wannna compile my own kernel using 2.2.10 source. I did the
>"make config". And when I ran "make dep" the following returns:
>
>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot'
>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `dep'.
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot'
>scripts/mkdep init/*.c > .depend
>make: *** [dep-files] Error 139
>
>Anyone please tell me what's wrong here? Thanx!
>
>--
>Everything is not as it appears to be.
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