Linux-Misc Digest #138, Volume #21 Fri, 23 Jul 99 16:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: SCSI Tape setup under RH 4.2 (Biltmore) (jim)
Re: I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick) (Peter Seebach)
raid0 kernel code question (Weilong)
Re: Linux only use 1% of my CPU??? ("Paul Y. Peng")
Re: What I think of linux. (Frank v Waveren)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick ("Robert Voppmann")
Linux 6.0: can't access floppy drive anymore ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick) (Greg Yantz)
Re: still having mouse prob (Steve Martonak)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (Steve Martonak)
Re: CIA assassinations ("R.Bloch")
Re: CIA assassinations ("R.Bloch")
Re: CIA assassinations ("R.Bloch")
Re: chgmod:command not found (Marc Mutz)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
From: jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI Tape setup under RH 4.2 (Biltmore)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:27:44 GMT
Christopher Suleske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow, here's one for you:
> I have added a SCSI tape drive (DDS3 device) to a system and wish to
> make a system backup before going to 6.0. During boot, I see the unit
> verified during SCSI bus initialization, but linux doesn't detect it as
> /dev/st0.
> How can I make the device for this unit?
/dev/st0 has major device number 9, minor 0, so you need to run
mknod /dev/st0 c 9 0
You also need the st module or kernel support, and you might have to add
alias char-major-9 st
to your /etc/conf.modules or /etc/modules.conf .
(Disclaimer: I use Slackware, but it shouldn't be any different)
> TIA; reply by email if you can.
Cc'd (I think, if tin is at all intelligent)
--
jim
--
http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/ Hold the line -
Love is delayed by essential engineering works.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:18:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > Actually, they do. At least, they have wars in which they try to wipe out
>> > > completely competing tribes. Mostly primates, sure, but...
>> Or ants. They wage wars for both reasons- extermination *and* enslavement.
>Intelligently planned wars?
Very hard to tell. In primates, they're about as planned as you'd expect from
their intelligence level. Do we assert that stupid people aren't human?
Well, some of us do, I guess, but...
>> I do not and have not denied that man is different from other animals.
>> I've even described some of the ways myself. However, a platypus is
>> different from other animals, while still clearly being an animal.
>You will however not find an animal which is as different from all the
>other animals as man is different from them.
I'm not sure about that. There's some pretty strange animals out there, and
there's some primates pretty similar to us.
-s
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From: Weilong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,,slt.linux.sux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: raid0 kernel code question
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:27:05 -0400
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Hello, everyone:
In the raid0.c:
beginning from line 103:
nb_zone=data->nr_zones=
md_size[minor]/data->smallest->size +
(md_size[minor]%data->smallest->size ? 1 : 0);
I can't quite understand it. Suppose we have four disks, disk1 is 50M.
disk2 is 100M. disk3 is 100M. and disk4 is 160M.
So, md_size[minor] is 50+100+100+160 = 410M.
And data->smaillest->size = 60M.
So, nb_zone = 6+1 = 7; but, I think the zone should be 8 if we strip
them
into zones.
Where is my understanding wrong?
thanks
--
Weilong Li
1009 Sixth Ave
Houghton MI 49931
phone: (906)482-5837
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<br>Hello, everyone:
<p>In the raid0.c:
<p>beginning from line 103:
<p> nb_zone=data->nr_zones=
<br> md_size[minor]/data->smallest->size +
<br> (md_size[minor]%data->smallest->size ? 1 : 0);
<p> I can't quite understand it. Suppose we have four disks, disk1
is 50M.
<br>disk2 is 100M. disk3 is 100M. and disk4 is 160M.
<p> So, md_size[minor] is 50+100+100+160 = 410M.
<br> And data->smaillest->size = 60M.
<p> So, nb_zone = 6+1 = 7; but, I think the zone should be 8
if we strip them
<br>into zones.
<p> Where is my understanding wrong?
<p> thanks
<br>
<pre>--
Weilong Li
1009 Sixth Ave
Houghton MI 49931
phone: (906)482-5837</pre>
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From: "Paul Y. Peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux only use 1% of my CPU???
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:45:11 -0230
I thank all of you who replied my inquiry. I didn't realize that
this list is so active and it has so many enthusiastic readers (I am
a first time visitor of this list). Now I found what caused my
problem.
The major program I am running on this linux box is S-PLUS 5.1,
statistical software produced by MathSoft Inc., Seattle. This
is the first version of this program ported to Linux.
After receiving your suggestions, I talked with our system manager
(who did the installation of linux for us) and did a few tests.
We found it is the network which causes this problem. My home
directory was mounted on the linux machine (in my work unit, we
all have the same home directory no matter which machine we logon).
I tested an even larger S-PLUS program (a print command was
inserted to show the progress of the program) and found that the
program finished its job quite normally in two minutes (and CPU
usage was normal too), but it didn't exit until 9 minutes later.
During this period, top gave me the information I posted in my
first message. However, if I started S-PLUS not in my home
directory, but in a directory of this linux machine. Then it all
backed to normal and the program ended and exited in about 2
minutes.
We haven't been able to pinpoint where is wrong with the network
connecting to this linux machine. Other machines in the same
network do not have this problem. Also amazingly I found in
this linux machine, if I move a big file (about 30MB) from a
directory in this machine to my home directory on network, it
takes about 3 minutes, but if I move it from the other direction
ie. from my home directory to the linux directory, it just uses
1 second!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank v Waveren)
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:19:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Groman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> what is wrong with linux and why I use windoze to do routine things, like
> news posting and e-mail, though mostly I use linux for learning programming
> and well other stuff... well here it is:
> I like the whole idea of operating system by people for people, BUT
> There isn't a some kind of comitee, company, person, aritficial
> intellegence, that does the following:
> Organise the basic system so it will be same style output, output
> readable by everybody,
Well, I'd have to disagree with you there. There are plenty of standards
(reaching far beyond linux btw) that mean that things like --help and
the like get accepted by every program, and that every X program can be run
under every windowmanager. But the reason there's differences between say
kde and gnome is because people want a choice. And imho, that's what linux
gives.
> compile the tons of documentation available in an avarage sized User
> Guide with readable
> english and easy to use reference tables. HOW-TOs and FAQs are
> not-organized, or
> organized in a form I don't understand(each unique individual, on any
> given point in time
> has his own limit of understanding something, you'll just have to accept
> that).
I'll admit, there's still a lot of work to be done on the documentation part
for newbies, but there's already a lot there, if you know what to look for.
For one, take the Linux Documentation Project (but leave the search engine,
that sucks :-) ), http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/LDP.
The next thing is, especially now that linux is getting bigger: There's allways
a local geek willing to come round in the weekend and help you with your problem.
True, there are many cases where you'll have to do some thinking/research for
yourself, but eventually it's worth it, and your productivity will be much higher.
(And ofcourse you get the warm fuzzy feeling inside for free!).
> Also, there should be a several modes of IO for the system itself, for
> example if
> IO Techie Level is 0, then during the boot it will display something
> like :
> Loading Linux Kernel.
> Loading Drivers.
> Starting services etc.
> but if IO Techie Level is like 10 it will output even more than it
> outputs now.
Not really imho. You just have to forget what billy taught you that everything
you see is written sothat a single-celled organism can understand.
There's lotsa messages you get at bootup that you don't need to know, but
if oneday something where to go wrong, at least you've got something to go
on. You don't have to understand it all... Relax.
> When I first installed Red Hat 5.2, it installed really well, I was
> really surprised that it was faster and
> easier than install of Windoze 95. Then I booted and logged in, I liked
> it until I had to figure out something
> how to do something, I spent 3 days configuring my ppp(that's because I
> started with that without knowing
> anything about linux) ppp how-to was understandable but it didn't cover
> my problems, IRC chat rooms just
> sent me to hell, and newsgroups, well that's why it was 3 days :-)
> If there would've been a help program that contained the basics of Linux
> set-up(X,ppp,servers, etc.)
> in a easy-to-use interface, Linux is great only when you know how to use
> it. so to make Linux great for everybody you have to make learning
> how to use it easier. I have UNIX Unleashed book for 1500 pages, I
> don't have nor time nor patience to read that, but when I looked through the
> contents, it contained most things
> you need to use any Unix system. If the basics of that under Linux would
> fit on 300 pages, it would be great.
There are plenty of sub-300pages books out there. You could just buy the redhat
starter set or whatever they call it. (Bloody expensive imho, but It might well
be the thing you're looking for in the beginning. Dunno, haven't read that book).
> wow, that's a long post. sorry to bother you with my useless and boring
> thoughts.
Doesn't matter, I've done the same thing back to you. That'll teach you
to mess around with linux. You thought MS was bad.... :-)
> groman. I spent 10 minutes writing this message, which I could've spent
> learning some assembly.
Ah, learning assembly? Very much fun. Just like dipping your head in boiling oil.
Not very usefull by itself now-a-days, but very usefull for the occasional
inline in C. You do know C, right???? If not, learn that first (IMHO ofcourse).
--
Frank v Waveren
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ# 10074100
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From: "Robert Voppmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:57:38 +0100
Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7n983r$g2o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
>What I'm trying to tell you is that considering one's species
>as somehow above all the others is not the right attitude to
>the world we live in. Of course, we do some remarkable things,
>but that doesn't give us any special privileges.
Above or below all others depends on the point of view.
And the theoretical question is not, whether or not we have any
_special_privileges_ or not. The question is, whether there are
different *principles* that determine our life as opposed to the
principals that nature is based on. E.g. the use of man-made tools for
sustaining the life of our species seems to indicate such a difference
as well as the relative indipendence from certain circumstances of the
natural (and other) environment.
>... Chimps are quite capable of abstract thought, make tools,
>communicate extensively, and can learn to talk to humans using
>either sign language, or symbol cards. There's no such thing
>as a "stupid animal", IMHO.
Well, who 'invented' the symbol cards? Did the chimp ever express a
notion like, I would prefer to alter this symbol, or to introduce
another one, in order to be able to express opinion more precisely?
I wonder when we will be able to welcome the first chimps on the
usenet, but more importantly -- what they will say! (I'd expect him
not to treat us as superior, if only for the reason that he will have
got to the point where we are just now much faster than we did.)
r.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux 6.0: can't access floppy drive anymore
Date: 23 JUL 1999 19:40:39 GMT
I was copying files from my floppy disk onto a directory. THen I
stopped transfering them for a while to add a few other things to the
disk from another computer, and when I put the disk back into the
Linux computer, I found that the changes either hadn't been made on
the disk or else the Linux computer wasn't seeing them. So I tried
changing the disk again on the other computer, to make sure I'd done
it right, and still, the computer wasn't showing the added files.
I fiddled with unmounting the disk, somehow (not knowing what I was
doing), and now, the computer isn't seeing ANYTHING in the floppy
drive. I'm in the /floppy directory, and when I put dir, it sees
no files. I have absolutely no idea what I've done.
Any thoughts?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
by the way, I'm using the bourne shell, and to access the floppy, I
typed:
cd /mnt/floppy
also, I know that the device is unmounted.
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick)
Date: 23 Jul 1999 15:47:19 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> It was the 22 Jul 1999 15:46:10 -0400...
> ..and Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> > > It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:58:31 GMT...
> > > ..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[evidence of reading comprehension problems snipped]
> Now f*ck it. Will someone finally realise that just because I focus on
> what's human in humans does not mean I see the world through pink
> glasses?
Good.
> Ever since I've started the argument you're all trying to
> paint me as some foolish, naif idiot.
No, the way we disagree with your statements has been doing that.
> I've been called religious,
No, someone made the suggestion that your position on this matter might
be explained by certain aspects of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
*shrug*
> I've been more or less called a Trekkie, and one has implied that I
> am not doing my duty at preventing fascism from happening again in my
> country.
I believe that last part refers to me. No, that's not what I wrote.
Rereading my posts will show that.
> Where the hell am I here? I'm trying to make the argument that man has
> evolved as far away from animals as to calling them not an animal
> being legitimate. That's all.
Sure. You have. Repeatedly. Noone is stopping you. We're just disagreeing
with you.
> On the other hand, one tries to make me look like a fool by playing
> stupid little games and making insulting allusions and implications all
> of the time.
Disagreeing with you is a problem?
> Hell, I realise there is a negative side to man, note that I don't
> consider man's worst faults to be rudiments of its ancestry's instincts,
> but that IMHO they stem from the human intellect which has always been
> a two-edged sword...
That's nice, but it begs the issue. I've pointed out how some of man's
faults *are* due to his ancestry, which you seem to want to ignore.
> > > Why do you all shy away from a frontal assault and keep on arguing
> > > about stupid little definition problems? Man is in so many various
> > > ways different from other animals that he's not animal anymore. What's
> > > the point?
How many examples of man exhibiting all the behavior patterns of a
bad-tempered and not particularly sapient ape do you need? I've already
given you several.
> > I do not and have not denied that man is different from other animals.
> > I've even described some of the ways myself. However, a platypus is
> > different from other animals, while still clearly being an animal.
> You will however not find an animal which is as different from all the
> other animals as man is different from them.
That may be true, but is not relevant. Again, you yourself are describing
man as a "very different animal".
> See above. Will this crap ever cease?
I might say the same thing. Is there some reason why noone is allowed to
disagree with you, or to try to demonstrate that you might be mistaken?
-Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Martonak)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.install
Subject: Re: still having mouse prob
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:05:55 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Brashier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I tried mouseconfig, and it still isn't working. I tried all four com
> ports and no dice. My mouse is part of a sony vaio system, and I am
> pretty sure its MS compatible. Any suggestions? I did have it installed
> correctly once, but I recently did a reinstall to correct what I thought
> might be corrupted directories, and now.... please help.
> Thanks,
> Brashier
testing one two three
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Martonak)
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:09:07 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> "H.G. Hettinger" wrote:
> > Ok. Any idea how I can learn how to create a good off-line threaded
> > news reader to use under Linux? Any books that don't assume to much
> > prior knowledge of Unix or linux?
> Run a news server on your linux machine, feed it from your
> ISP and read off-line through the loopback interface with
> the news reader of your choice. If your needs are simple (a
> handful of groups and users) leafnode ought to suffice. If
> they are more complex then you may want to run a full-blown
> news server like inn.
> --
> -John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
testing one two three
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From: "R.Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:57:24 +0600
Paul Wickre wrote:
>
> In article <7n7dov$l9o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >"Those who don't distinguish power of a dollar and power of a whip,
> > >will learn the difference on their own backs" -- Ayn Rand.
> >
> > Do you realize you're quoting someone who denies Aristotelian logic?
> >
>
> Obviously you haven't the faintest idea what you're babbling about.
Exactly. But the thread is great. Please don't let it die.
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From: "R.Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:00:49 +0600
Joseph T. Adams wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : You, sir, are an idiot.
> You are an ass.
It's going good, keep it up. Call'im a fag.
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From: "R.Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:02:19 +0600
Deryk Barker wrote:
> Why not? The West dealt with the USSR for over 70 years on this
> basis. I mean we all know how much better off the average Russian was
> under the Tsar, don't we?
Rick will disagree with you on that. (Just thought I'd warn you.)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:11:44 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: chgmod:command not found
muzh wrote:
>
> I think the command is chmod
> Linux is very particular about spelling, UPEER-lower case, etc --
>
No, it isn't 'particular'. That is what is called 'case-sensitive'. Use
tcsh if you have problems with that:
tcsh> chgmod ...
CORRECT> chmod (y|n|e)? y
Marc
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