Linux-Misc Digest #138, Volume #27 Sat, 17 Feb 01 22:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Size of LINUX (Grant Edwards)
Re: Redirecting Serial port input to a file ("The Spook")
Re: Size of LINUX (Grant Edwards)
Re: Size of LINUX (Grant Edwards)
Re: Size of LINUX (Grant Edwards)
Re: POP mail client (Grant Edwards)
Re: unistalling linux mandrake (Ralph Miguel Hansen)
Re: Automatic server status watch? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: repost about netscape problem ("Peter T. Breuer")
troubles with guile (Robert Schweikert)
Turning off LCD (Ester Ahoodem)
Mandrake 7.2 installation queries (Stuart Summerville)
Re: Size of LINUX (Mark Bratcher)
Linux & Windows Shared Internet ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux & Windows Shared Internet (Oliver Battenfeld)
Re: How to forward external requests to internal machine? (Alexander Atkin)
removing linux
Re: removing linux (Mark Bratcher)
Re: POP mail client ("Bill Piety")
Re: Turning off LCD (Dances With Crows)
Re: Size of LINUX ("Harlan Grove")
Re: repost about netscape problem ("Bill Piety")
Re: Size of LINUX ("Harlan Grove")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:07:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>Networking we did have
>and we had some other things I have yet to see on todays personal
>computers.
Just for curiositie's sake, what sort of netowrking was available on the
PDP-6? (I'm familiear with the PDP-11 but not with the "mainframe machines
like the 10, and I presume, the 6.)
>Why would one want a dozen different file systems?
Sometimes it's nice to be able to share data with other people. Presuming
you care about what other people are doing or they care about what you're
doing. If not, then I guess it doesn't matter.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I invented skydiving
at in 1989!
visi.com
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From: "The Spook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Redirecting Serial port input to a file
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:09:35 +0100
John C Bahr wrote ...
-- Cut --
>I have read the Advanced Bash Scripting HOWTO's section on I/O
>Redirection and
>I am sending an ASCII text file (100 lines with the numbers 1 through
>100 on their respective line) from the source computer like so:
>cat sent.txt > /dev/ttyS0
>
>I am attempting, from bash, to redirect the serial port data coming into
>the target to a text file.
-- Cut --
>
>I am running at a mere 9600 baud. Could I be seeing receive buffer full
>overruns?
-- Cut --
You may have trouble with line disciplines (an integral part of ports that
may be used for terminals, like serial ports).
To disable the line disciplines, you should use stty (but be careful to
embed it in a subshell, as changes done to a serial line is lost after the
line has been closed).
The following might work:
(stty raw; cat > received.txt) < /dev/ttyS0
Beware that cat will never end unless the port is closed by hardware
signals, as there is no interpretation of control characters in this setup
(Ctrl-D as end-of-file is normally caught by the line discipline and sent to
the process as an (inherently out-of-band) signal, but in this setup, the
line discipline is effectively disabled).
I hope this can get you somewhere.
/TRY
PS: This will *not* work:
stty raw < /dev/ttyS0; cat /dev/ttyS0 > received.txt
as /dev/ttyS0 is closed after the stty-command (with changes lost) and
reopened by the cat-command (with the original settings).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:09:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>We usesd a KSR33 teletype to input our commands to the PDP-6 and we did a
>lot of very fancy computing which you would find difficult to do on a
>WINDOZE machine today. Try inputting data to a PC in REAL TIME and see how
>you go.
Piece of cake. Not with Microsoft products, of course.
>We had a diffractometer and a mass spectrometer and peripheral computers all
>inputting data into the PDP-6 in real time CONCURRENTLY. Moreover we had
>HARDWARE relocation and protection so security was ASSURED.
All PCs sold these days have hardware relocation and protection.
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Grant Edwards grante Yow! Well, O.K. I'll
at compromise with my
visi.com principles because of
EXISTENTIAL DESPAIR!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:13:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>Are you a super fast typist?
No, I'm mediocre typist. Probably in the 40-50 wpm range, but I can quite
easily type faster than a KSR-33 can handle.
>Don't you ever stop to scratch you head because the problem is a little
>baffling. 110 baud was quite adequate for SERIOUS programmers. We used
>BRAINS in the old days not FANCY GUIs.
I found that I had to consciously slow down my typing when using a KSR-33.
It was quite distracting to have to concentrate on typing slowly rather
than on the problem at hand.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! -- I can do
at ANYTHING... I can
visi.com even... SHOPLIFT!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:24:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>I am not specifically condemning LINUX as such. I am wondering if
>LINUX was written in assembly language by a COMPETENT assembly
>language programmer(the likes of which I have not seen for a long
>time) would it be a lot smaller and faster.
It could probably be made somewhat smaller/faster, but I doubt it could be
made "a lot" smaller faster. I've spent 15 years doing real-time embedded
software development. During that time, I've spent a fair amount of time
re-writing critical things in assembly language to try to get them just a
tiny bit smaller and faster. Modern compilers do a pretty decent job. I'm
basing that not on trust in the author of a compiler but on hundreds of
hours spent trying to do better than the compiler. And I am a competent
assembly language programmer.
Engineering is about cost vs. benefit.
Any fool can build a bridge that will stand up. Engineering is being able
to build bridge that you know will just barely stand up.
Writing Linux in assembly is definitely _not_ something a good engineer
would do. The increase in cost (in both calendar time and man-hours) would
be huge compared to the small benefit gained in code size/speed. The
increase in maintenance costs would be even worse. Memory and CPU
horsepower are too cheap.
Back the the "good old days" it may have been worthwhile to speed $100K to try
to save a few K bytes of RAM in a piece of software. Today, RAM is too
cheap.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Four thousand
at different MAGNATES, MOGULS
visi.com & NABOBS are romping in my
gothic solarium!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: POP mail client
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:25:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric Wertman wrote:
>Anyone suggest a good POP client other than Netscape?
>- for Gnome RH7.0
Mutt.
Definitely mutt.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! ... A housewife
at is wearing a polypyrene
visi.com jumpsuit!!
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From: Ralph Miguel Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: unistalling linux mandrake
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:06:15 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hi,
> about 8 months ago I installed Linux in my laptop, i have them as a dual
> boot LinuxMandrake/Win98 but now i dont need linux in my laptop anymore, I
> want to uninstall it from my laptop and install it in other machine. The
> problem is that i dont want to loose Win98. How can i uninstall Linux
> without messing Win98? Any suggestions?
>
> thanks!
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
>
Simply delete the Linux-partitions, that's all. When booting into Win9*,
type fdisk /mbr, this kills lilo.
Cheers
Ralph Miguel Hansen
Using S.u.S.E. 5.3 and SuSE 7.0
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Automatic server status watch?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:40:43 +0100
Jari Huovila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a program available for Linux to automatically watch status
> of remote server(s) and send an e-mail alert when a server goes down?
> Watching could mean just pinging the remote server, or preferably
> whether or not specific TCP/UDP services are responding.
And what is wrong with a small shell script that would do that?
down=0
while sleep 30; do
if ping -c 1 $target | grep -q "100% packet loss"; then
if [ $down = 0 ]; then
echo $mesg | mail -s"$target down at `date`" $sysadmin
down=1
fi
continue
fi
[ $down = 1 ] && down=0
done
and/or elaborations.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: repost about netscape problem
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:14:03 +0100
john connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is my original post:
> Occasionally, when using netscape 4.7x on a slackware7.0 (xfree 3.6xx)
> system and kde2.?? my cpu (celeron 400) usage goes up to nearly 100% and
> stays there and the only way to recover is to kill netscape. This has
> Any ideas about this?
Yes, it's called a "bug". Netscape has them.
> is there anything I can do to prevent this happening in the future?
don't use that compile of netscape, or use it sparingly, and with
features like java turned off.
Peter
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From: Robert Schweikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: troubles with guile
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:26:42 -0500
Anyone using guile and got it working?
Here is waht I get
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.. -I./..
-I../libltdl -g -O2 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -c net_db.c
rm -f .libs/net_db.lo
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.. -I./.. -I../libltdl -g -O2 -Wall
-Wmissing-prototypes -c net_db.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/net_db.lo
net_db.c:85: conflicting types for `inet_aton'
/usr/include/arpa/inet.h:69: previous declaration of `inet_aton'
make[1]: *** [net_db.lo] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/guile-1.4/libguile'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
Is there a patch?
Thanks,
Robert
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] LINUX
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From: Ester Ahoodem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Turning off LCD
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:30:08 -0000
I am running Slackware 7.1 on my laptop and it is configured to turn off
the lcd display after one minute of no activity with the setterm command.
I often use my laptop to play mp3s without using the LCD and this
considerably saves battery power. However it would be more useful if I
could make the lcd display to turn off immediately upon execution of a
command in a script for example.
Does anyone have any idea how to do this?
Thanks.
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From: Stuart Summerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mandrake 7.2 installation queries
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:53:26 +1100
Hi all,
I've just decided to give Mandrake a go (Redhat otherwise) & am having
some fun getting the LM 7.2 installer to work...:
1) perl script errors on trying to mount "/" in the diskdruid (??)
program. I'd set the mount point & format the disk, but then trying to
mount it would generate a perl script error on line 218 of some
script. Perhaps it's not necessary as it does eventually get mounted
anyway... just curious to know what the deal is.
2) Erroneous disk space requirements reported: Regardless of what I
select on the high level package selection screen, it always reports
hefty disk space requirements. Manual calculation would indicat that
the selected package groups would require say 1.1GB, yet the installer
would turn around & stat that 2.6GB was required. why is this? How can
I get around it?
3) Xserver lockups on resolution test. After successfully detecting my
S3 Virge/DX video card, and having spcified my exact monitor type
(Samsung 17GLi), the test of the minimal resolution I'd selected
(800x600x16, or did I select any??) would just result in a permanent
black screen. I've not really ever had this problem before (to my
recollection) under Redhat & Debian.
4) Missing files after install. After an eventual successful install
(various bypasses to the problems above) some tools seem to be
missing: Xconfigurator - should that not be in /usr/X11R6/bin just
like XF86config is?; On boot of an older machine (installed via ftp
from the newer one) init is loaded but then asks what runlevel to
switch to! I've not checked, but perhaps the rc.d (& associated)
directories are screwed up? I'm wondering if perhaps these files (&
others) are missing due to the fact that I'd had to let the installed
trim the installation base down from 2.6GB to 1.3GB, as described in
point 2 above. hmmm.... surely these files would not get the chop so
easily?
Well, I like the look/feel of LM, but these issues ain't no fun. RH7.0
and DB2.2 installs went relatively flawlessly, so the impression ain't
too good. I've searched the newbie & expert mailing lists, & found
nothing much. Access to a news.mandrake.com would be nice too.
Thanks, sTu.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:56:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>Hello Folks,
>
>I am not specifically condemning LINUX as such. I am wondering if
>LINUX was written in assembly language by a COMPETENT assembly
>language programmer(the likes of which I have not seen for a long
>time) would it be a lot smaller and faster. Putting all ones faith in
>the author of the C compiler in my view is not good software
>engineering. It simply CANNOT be proved that the compiled code is the
>tightest and fastest that can be produced. My experience with high
>level language compilers is that they are ALWAYS inefficient. I write
>assembly language code for my PC and the .COM files are always VERY
>SMALL, amazingly so sometimes. "Get last disk" uses just 651 bytes!!
>Try that in C and see how many bytes it takes.
Linux is virtually all in C. The benefit of this over assembly language
is that it is highly portable. Being well architected for this purpose
helps, too. :-) If it were in assembly language you may likely not
see Linux on as many different hardware platforms as you do today
(eg, x86, alpha, IBM mainframe, sparc, etc).
There is some need to balance "smallest and fastest" with "modular,
maintainable, and portable". It's unfortunate that a lot of software
written today is neither of these.
--
Mark Bratcher
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux & Windows Shared Internet
Date: 18 Feb 2001 01:56:14 GMT
Hello. I am in dire need of help. I must know how to get a
computer running Windows Me to share it's internet connection
with RedHat Linux (6.0) Any (positive) input is apreciated.
The Windows Me computer uses MSN Explorer for internet (Dial-up)
but I'm considering giving it a free isp (such as NetZero or
Juno). Please, somebody repond to this message. (I normally
don't talk this way, but since I found not 1 revent document
when searching the 'net, including the Linux help sites,
I got slightly worried.)
Thanks in adv.
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From: Oliver Battenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & Windows Shared Internet
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:10:36 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> Hello. I am in dire need of help. I must know how to get a
> computer running Windows Me to share it's internet connection
> with RedHat Linux (6.0) Any (positive) input is apreciated.
Win ME comes with a simple NAT software called "Internet Connection
Sharing", which can be installed via Control Panel/Software (if not
already).
Check out this website for some more instructions:
http://www.annoyances.org/win98/features/ics.html
If that doesn't need your requirements, you will have to spend some money
on software like NAT 32 or Winroute.
The setup of your Linux machine is covered by numerous man pages (ifconfig,
route, etc.).
--
Ciao,
Oliver
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From: Alexander Atkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: How to forward external requests to internal machine?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:19:52 +0000
Andre van Dijk wrote:
> Op Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:52:40 -0800 schreef Warren Bell:
> >I'm running Mandrake 7.2 with ipchains as a firewall. I want to forward
> >any requests to a certain port to an internal machine on the local
> >network allowing it through. I've been looking around but can't find
> >how to do this. The only thing I've found is that you can't do it with
> >ipchains. What program can I use to do this?
>
> You can use ipmasqadm or rinetd for this, IIRC.
>
> --
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> `----------------------------------+-------------+-----------------------'
> Kyle: Good point man.
I tried those, could never get them to work on Mandrake 7.1 or 7.2.
Details would be handy as im using something simple called portfw at the
moment
which isnt as efficient as any of the above.
Alex.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: removing linux
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:30:03 -0000
I got rid of a D drive partition (~1 GB) under DOS in ordet to reserve
space for Red Hat Linux 6.2. Now, I want to get rid of Red Hat and reclaim
that free space under Windows 98. What steps need to be taken to carry it
out?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: removing linux
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:39:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I got rid of a D drive partition (~1 GB) under DOS in ordet to reserve
>space for Red Hat Linux 6.2. Now, I want to get rid of Red Hat and reclaim
>that free space under Windows 98. What steps need to be taken to carry it
>out?
>
Run fdisk and try deleting the Linux partition. If it doesn't like that,
then run fdisk (or cfdisk) in Linux and delete it. Then run fdisk in Win98
and make it into a FAT32 partition.
If you also have LILO installed, run Win98 fdisk/mbr after you do all this.
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From: "Bill Piety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: POP mail client
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:51:37 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Eric Wertman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone suggest a good POP client other than Netscape?
> - for Gnome RH7.0
>
> thanks!
>
> Eric Wertman
>
>
If you've got Gnome, then Evolution's the best. I'm on 0.8 now. If you
decide not to go the Evo route, the Pronto & TradeClient are both good.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Turning off LCD
Date: 18 Feb 2001 02:51:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:30:08 -0000, Ester Ahoodem staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>I am running Slackware 7.1 on my laptop and it is configured to turn off
>the lcd display after one minute of no activity with the setterm command.
>I often use my laptop to play mp3s without using the LCD and this
>considerably saves battery power. However it would be more useful if I
>could make the lcd display to turn off immediately upon execution of a
>command in a script for example.
>
>Does anyone have any idea how to do this?
One thing to try might be "apm -S" which puts the laptop into "standby"
mode. This doesn't do much on many machines, but on both Thinkpads I've
owned, it turns the LCD backlight off. The apm executable must be SUID
root if the caller is a user-owned process. If you're using X, "xset dpms
force off" might also work. HTH,
--
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Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: "Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:53:03 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rolie Baldock) wrote:
...
> . . . We engineers should have kept computers for the exclusive
>use of engineers. Engineers used to have a code of excellence in my
>days in the profession. The PDP-6 operating system reflected this
>excellence.
Gee, I'm a mathematician by education. Should I never have been given a
computer?
This is a fine example of one engineer's narrowmindedness. There are a
great many things computers are good at besides quantitative analysis,
simulation and data acquisition. Should these other computer
applications be forbidden to all nonengineers?
OK, the PDP's were before my time. FWIW, Unix originated on a PDP (10 or
11?), so I'd guess it qualified as tightly-coded way back then. However,
unless there was magically no space-time tradeoffs back then, it's a
certanty that the OS would have had better response time if it had been
allowed to occupy more RAM.
Is modern code bloated? For the most part, yes. It could be improved,
but would it be worth the cost to shrink things back down to late
1960's/early 1970's memory footprints? Not without sacrificing
functionality.
This is analagous to a discussion about whether the Ford Model T was the
most efficient car ever made. By some measures, sure. But there's a
reason it isn't still made/sold. I'll let you ponder that yourself.
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From: "Bill Piety" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: repost about netscape problem
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:58:39 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matt
Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:26:03 GMT,
> john connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Here is my original post:
>>
>>Occasionally, when using netscape 4.7x on a slackware7.0 (xfree 3.6xx)
>>system and kde2.?? my cpu (celeron 400) usage goes up to nearly 100% and
>>
>>stays there and the only way to recover is to kill netscape. This has
>>happened any number of times in navigator when visiting web sites and
>>once in a while in communicator using the local road runner news server.
>>
>>Any ideas about this? Thanks, JWC
>
>
> It's a common problem with Netscape 4.7x.
>
>>The resulting thread went off into the bushes. What I am trying to find
>>out is: is there anything I can do to prevent this happening in the
>>future?
>
> Don't run netscape, or upgrade.
>
I've used NS 4.76 since it's release, but it's just started doing the
same on my Mandrake 7.1 system. Prior to 7-10 days ago - rock solid & no
memory leaks, cpu spikes. No similar problems with Galeon or Opera. With
my heavily updated libs from Nautilus & Evo (under Ximian Gnome) - I
wonder if there's a relation? NS is one app I truly wouldn't want to
leave behind, so I too hope for some solution here.
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From: "Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:03:43 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rolie Baldock) wrote:
...
>Are you a super fast typist? Don't you ever stop to scratch you head
>because the problem is a little baffling. 110 baud was quite adequate
>for SERIOUS programmers. We used BRAINS in the old days not FANCY GUIs.
...
Well, we could argue about overrunning the type-ahead buffer when using
slow modems, but it was output that always frustrated me. Some of us
need/want output, and your favorite slow modem feeding a slow (true) TTY
was both loud and slow. Then there's the quality (cough!) of
TTY-generated graphs.
Maybe you SERIOUS types didn't need output because you could memorize
the source code for entire systems AND calculate program output in your
sleep. Kinda makes me wonder why you superhumans bothered with computers
in the first place.
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