Linux-Misc Digest #138, Volume #19               Mon, 22 Feb 99 07:13:11 EST

Contents:
  Re: Yale Alumni Bites the Dust (Tim Moore)
  Re: Kernels and make dep (Tim Moore)
  Re: Web based Telnet client? (Bob Hauck)
  WINE (was Re: Eat the Cache) (James Myles)
  Re: gcc or egcs use pentium instructions? (Mark Brown)
  Re: New York Times magazine article (David Martin)
  Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
  Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
  Re: Star Office v5.01 (Jason Clifford)
  Re: Canon BJ-10EX in epson mode... (Nigel Orr)
  Re: hdparm command ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Mail client for Linux (Hans Wolters)
  Re: Linux as a small LAN router (was: 2 newbie questions.) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Michael Trausch)
  Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated? (Dave Brown)
  Re: HOW CAN I LINK libg++ LIBRARY TO COMPILE C++ CODES UNDER GCC? 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Which HP DeskJet to buy/not to buy? - quick advice needed, (Jason Clifford)
  InterBase 4.xx ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Peter McDermott)
  Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated? (jedi)
  Re: Upgrading xfree (Peter Ajamian)
  Re: Kernel/CD-rom trubble (Peter Ajamian)

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:56:56 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yale Alumni Bites the Dust

> Gene Siskel of Siskel and Ebert movie review fame died today.

And was good old, er ah, sorry, dead Gene Siskel compiling 2.2.1 at the
time?

-- 
[Replies: yy -> y]

"Everything is permitted.  Nothing is forbidden."
                                   WS Burroughs.

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:59:51 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernels and make dep

No.  You need 'make clean' and http://www.linuxhq.com/change22.html

> I have just downloaded Kernel 2.2.1 in RPM for rawhide.  I ran make
> ... 
> Entering directory`/usr/src/linux-2.2.1/arch/i386/boot`
> nothing to be done for `dep`
> Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.1/arch/i386/boot`
> scripts/mkdep init/*.c > .depend
> scripts/mkdep: error in loading shared libraries
> : undefined symbol:  __register_frame_info
> make: *** [dep-files] Error 127
> 
> Do I need glibc 2.1?

-- 
[Replies: yy -> y]

"Everything is permitted.  Nothing is forbidden."
                                   WS Burroughs.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Web based Telnet client?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 04:53:39 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Corliss) writes:

> Most decent firewalls won't allow persistent connections like 
> that, only temporary ones. 

Simple packet-filtering firewalls (i.e. routers) can't tell.
That's what probably 80-90% of sites have.  Lets not make things
hard until it is proven necessary.


> Better firewalls, if they allow persistent connections, only
> allow them from certain hosts.  Probably won't work for him.

Most companies don't have five figures to spend on a stateful
firewall.  You're right though.  Those who have one of those
could prevent my solution from working.

--
 Bob Hauck, Software Engineer - Will program for food.

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From: James Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: WINE (was Re: Eat the Cache)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 05:03:08 +0000

Lenny wrote:
> 
> what is this wine? any more info, and i want to know if it will run
> FrontPage 98.
> 
> loren
> Gina wrote in message ...
> >Anyone have a cache module for apache? How does this work?
> >
> >
> >Email preferred,
> > Reply to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your comments

WINE Is Not An Emulator has a site at http://www.winehq.com

There is a list of known compatable programs. I see that FrontPage 98
has a rating of 3 from someone implying that it will work with
sufficient functionality (about alpha quality).  See the website for
more details.

WINE is coming on in leaps and bounds.

-- 
Best wishes,

James

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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc or egcs use pentium instructions?
Date: 22 Feb 1999 10:41:13 +0000

Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thanks. Does default installation have the compiler using these
> instructions where appropriate or do you have to configure it a specific
> way or just pass flags at compile time.

Pentium or Pentium Pro instructions can be enabled using -mcpu where
cpu is one pentium or pentiumpro.  If you don't intend the generated
binary to run on anything except the appropriate CPU or later you can
use -march=cpu.  You can make these the default options by editing the
specs file.

You can turn on the generation of MMX instructions in pgcc using -mmx,
or -mmx-only if your code *never* uses the FPU.  Be warned that you're
very unlikely to see any performance improvement.

-- 
Mark Brown  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
            http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS        http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Martin)
Subject: Re: New York Times magazine article
Date: 22 Feb 1999 10:57:39 GMT

In article <7aqrdj$1e5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
> "Most of you steal your software." It makes what I think is a fair
> assesment that the Linux install base of 7 million hardly compares to
> Microsofts 250+ million users, and that Linux is still too complicated
> for the average computer user.

doesn't this miss the point? Win98 had 28M installs last year. Linux had 
somewhere around 5M. Doesn't that look a little better?


WHen comparing user base, it helps to look at expansion in both real and 
relative terms

..d

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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:12:33 +0000

On 21 Feb 1999, John S. Dyson wrote:

> Then get it done in the US..

And pay exhorbitant shipping costs and extra duties in `importing' the
CDs? No thanks!

> > Do you know how much a leased line Internet connection costs in the
> > UK or the value of my time in doing this, or the cost of CD production is
> > when you don't have the benefits of US economies of scale?
> >
> You didn't say that you have a leased line.  So, that increases your
> cost, and you are having problems making money -- so what?  Many of
> my co-workers in the Bay area are from the UK...  Get a visa...

How many Open Source/Free Software companies do you know that can produce
a full CD distribution (over 600MB of software updated almost daily)
without a leased line?

Did I say I wished to move to the US? I don't - I prefer to live in the UK
and my wife certainly would not wish to move a further x thousand miles
away from her family in central Europe.

> Nope, it is RMS'ite language.  Just thought that you would understand.
> BTW,  you are getting personal, and that shows extreme
> unprofessionalism.

I am NOT RMS - I do not share many of his beliefs. I am Jason Clifford -
look at the headers, search Dejanews for my previous postings regarding
the subject of restricting the rights of programmers to release under
closed licenses if they prefer.

> There is NOTHING stopping someone from supporting GPLed code, and gaining
> advantage with their skills that a developer cannot with their skills
> given GPL.  You might have the skill of merchandising and support and
> able to invest capital into that, but GPL takes such freedoms away
> from programmers whose skill is to invest in software and ideas.

GPL does NOT take that freedom away from the developer. Exactly what part
of the GPL do you think prevents a developer from `mercandising and
supporting' their product commercially?

> I agree, but programming is costly, and there is a willing to pay.  GPL
> doesn't support the notion as software as capital.  The merchandisers
> are taking advantage of the ignorance of programmers who don't know that
> they are giving it away for free.  

Bullshit! Those who release code under GPL are *very* well aware that they
are releasing it for free.

> You are using GPLed works for fuel, right?  Hmm...  You still don't
> get it, do you?  You didn't pay for them did you?  I wonder how many
> person years of effort you are taking advantage of?  10yrs is NOTHING,
> and I suspect that you haven't been in full time business for 10yrs or
> you wouldn't be eating now (or your Mommy and Daddy are still feeding
> you?)

Your contention that 10 years of my life is nothing shows something very
unpleasant about you. 

Linux has not existed for 10 years so obviously no I have not been in the
`Linux business' for 10 years. That 10 years has been spent implementing
and supporting a wide range of systems from a range of vendors. In doing
so I have built up the skills necessary to implement and support systems
built using Linux, FreeBSD and other Open Source and free software - most
of my clients happen to be integrating OS into existing structures.

I have not had parental support since I was 15 years old which is a long
time ago. I support myself through my own work and always have. Once again
you are making ignorant assumptions.

> Opportunties to enhance.  As soon as other's code taints a GPLed codebase,
> the original developer is even screwed.  That is the reason why the
> FSF is savvy enough to get assignments.  That isn't reasonable for
> everyone.

Guess what - if an author wishes to he can implement an enhancement
himself without using someon else's code. Perhaps the author is
sufficiently committed to Open Source/free software that (s)he actually
wants other to improve upon his/her code and is happy with that!

> Support...  Overcharging...  If you charge for support, then you should
> charge for support.  If one is paying for significant amounts of
> development with support fees, then it isn't support.  That is
> misrepresentation.

Rubbish. Much of supporting a product comes down to writing fixes.

As for `overcharging' I am beginning to suspect that you are completely
unaware of what a market economy means.

> You have no idea of my "ignorance."

You have been displaying it so well that I think most of us have a pretty
good idea.

> Note that Red Hat or WC can pretty much swoop in and sell CDROMs and
> support.

They are welcome to. There are now over a dozen companies in the UK
selling Linux and associated products and services. 
 
> > Programmers have the absolute right to release their works under whatever
> > license they choose. If they choose to do so under the GPL or a similar
> > license that is their decision and you should keep your nose out of it.
> >
> If they choose to mess up, then it is their right.  You are taking
> advantage of that messup.

There is NO mess up. Linus Torvalds, Alan Cox, Steven Tweedie and many
many others are happy to release their work in the manner that they do -
or they would have stopped doing so long since.

> >> I don't want to deny their right, however informing people as to the
> >> limitations of license(s) is a service. 
> > 
> > Only if done accurately and you are not giving accurate facts.
> > 
> You are wrong.  You still don't admit to taking advantage of free
> labor to fuel your business and show an obvious bias to bolster your
> position.

So I enjoy an advantage from free software - so does EVERYONE who uses it.
You enjoy advantage from those who wrote the software you are using.

I am more than proud to state that I use Open Source and free software and
that my business is based around making that software available to people.
Iam also pround to state that I earn a living from providing services
around that software based upon MY skills and MY work.

> Perhaps because you need to win with GPL, so you can continue to
> take advantage of ignorance?

`win with GPL'? Oh dear - you've been listening to too many politians and
marketing `executives'.

This really is my last post on this subject.

*plonk*

Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/


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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:18:20 +0000

On 21 Feb 1999, Leslie Mikesell wrote:

> I think it will be interesting to see how things shake out if
> other distributers copy all of RedHat's work verbatum and add
> their own enhancements and come up with something that turns
> out to be more popular yet.  

I have done this in the UK. I have created a distribution - Definite Linux
- that takes Red Hat, applies all the security and bug fixes, replaces
several packages with more up to date ones, adds numerous other packages,
adds encryption software that Red Hat cannot due to US laws and then adds
the option of using KDE, Gnome or of over 150MB of other software.

It is indeed very popular.

Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/


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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star Office v5.01
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:25:13 +0000

On 22 Feb 1999, Rluby wrote:

> I wouldn't worry about it.  whenever I try to access their linux download site
> after I accept the agreement, I always get a "web server unreachable" message. 
> Maybe the entire thing is a come on to sell a dl of their fancier edition for
> 39.95? < smile > or I hope more likely, their server is overwhelmed.

Try ftp.stardivision.com or one of the many Mirror sites they list.

Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/


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From: Nigel Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Canon BJ-10EX in epson mode...
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:04:21 GMT

On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:34:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam
Vere) wrote:

>I'm currently using the 'epson' ghostscript driver. Are any of the
>others any better? (I understand that the epson mode on this printer
>is a LQ)
>
>(In BJ-10e mode there is a strong tendancy towards garbage at the
>beginning of the print. 

I'm a bit confused as to why my printer setup works- it's also a
BJ-10e, set up under printtool.  I set up WordPerfect to print
PassThru Postscript (as it doesn't have a BJ-10e driver), and it just
worked! Why is that?  Is there a HOWTO somewhere which will tell me
how Linux handles printing?

Nigel

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: hdparm command
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 05:11:02 GMT

In article <vODz2.15$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Michael Collins) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Careful, /dev/hda1 is a partition!  The drive is /dev/hda.
>
> >Paul Kimoto
>
> Paul, how can these results be used to benchmark disk performance?

Here are some comparitive results from one of my systems. Note my disks are

hda: ultra-dma
hdc: fast ata, PIO mode 3
sda: uw scsi

[root@gemini /root]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hdc /dev/sda

/dev/hda:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   64 MB in  1.53 seconds =41.83 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  32 MB in  3.28 seconds = 9.76 MB/sec

/dev/hdc:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   64 MB in  1.54 seconds =41.56 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  32 MB in  4.86 seconds = 6.58 MB/sec

/dev/sda:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   64 MB in  1.53 seconds =41.83 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  32 MB in  3.45 seconds = 9.28 MB/sec

Basically UDMA and SCSI disks should approach 10mb per sec. Older IDE disks
can be much slower.


> What should I expect when using a EIDE at something like
> PIO mode 1  vs. PIO mode 3  VS UDMA   etc...

Type `man hdparm` to see how you can tune youn IDE disks. Be carefull though,
read all the warnings in the man page. Use at your own risk.


> How about two different drives with the same settings like
> Western Digital Vs. Seagate  etc..

Results will most likely vary slightly.

Perry


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Wolters)
Subject: Re: Mail client for Linux
Date: 19 Feb 1999 08:47:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

burk wrote:

[snap]

:I'll defend netscape...and I'm not trying to flame anyone. I happen to like
:its browser better than anything else I've tried.

I like the browser too. And since there ain't any other browser that
supports things like java, flash, etc.. it seems we have no choice (for Linux)

:The only browser that
:I find less buggy is Lynx, which IS faster and IS miserly with
:memory, but many people prefer a GUI program for surfing. I've also yet
:to find ANY X based mail client that handles IMAP mail boxes as well as
:Netscape. If some one knows of one I'd love to try it! 

I've been using xfmail now for a few weeks and I must say that I do like it.
It's fast, it can handle several pop3 accounts, imap, and best of all:

It uses only 1 mb of memory against some 5 to 7 mb that netscape mail uses.

You can find a link at freshmeat.

Chau Hans
-- 
        Java Search Engine Front End
    http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/
     Linux Links/CMI8330 Soundpro HOWTO
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/linux.htm

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux as a small LAN router (was: 2 newbie questions.)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:44:09 +0100

Does anyone have info on how to turn the linux box into a router (modem/isdn)
without too much trouble. I'm interested in running my win98 (I NEED my DVD, 
ok?!) through my linux box. 

I'm mainly looking for some sort of NAT/PAT (?) solution which masquerades/
translates my local ip adresses, when dialing to my ISP, with PPP. 

I plan to run it on a P133 with 128MB RAM and.
 
Chad M. Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, Do you have a ethernet net card? You could connect them that way using
> a small hub, make the linux box 192.168.1.1 and Win95 192.168.1.2 and use
> 192.168.1.1 as the router for the Win95 machine.
-- 
Anders Gulden Olstad @ Brinkley | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
RedHat 5.2 Linux kernel 2.0.36  | "Penguins are generally nice creatures"

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From: Michael Trausch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:17:00 -0500

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Thanks for the link.  =)

I really hate being ignorant, now I can figure out for myself the exact
pros/cons of each license.  =)

        - Mike

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   curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly."
                                                - Arnold Edinborough

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On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Alan McLean wrote:

> Michael Trausch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm curious, I have a copy of the GPL (I run Linux, and it's readily
> > available on my system ;))...However, I am not sure where to find other
> > licenses such as the BSD license.  I am reading all of this discussion,
> > with only knowing exactly what one license says... can someone point me to
> > the BSD license (and other licenses that are for "free" unices, if there
> > are any)?  I would appreciate it.
> > 
> >     - Mike
> 
> The standard BSD license and the FreeBSD license can be found here
> http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/copyright.html
> 
> -amcl
> 
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Feb 99 05:22:21 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>The reason that they don't add all the monitors is because there are to
>many non-name brands out there (Just a silly ideas anyway).  Most of
>which will use the same internal hardware as half a dozen of the regular
>manufactures (That is where they get the hardware in the first place) 
>
>Take a stab and pick a couple of the best monitor names from the list
>and see what you get.  That is the best thing for it.  You could spend
>the rest of your life typing stuff in to a program that really doesn't
>need to be there if you just check for standard chips and see what the
>monitor can do.  

Not bad advice... I have XFree86 on 2 different machines and found that the
NEC 3d selection works best on both of my monitors, neither of which is a 
NEC3d.

-- 
Dave Brown   Austin, TX


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HOW CAN I LINK libg++ LIBRARY TO COMPILE C++ CODES UNDER GCC?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 05:17:30 GMT

Do you have the development rpms installed:

glibc-devel
libstdc++-devel

they are separate rpms from the libs themselves.

Perry


In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Thapa Damar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> HELLO!  World,
>
> Help needed!!
>
> I installed RedHat 5.2 on my Pentium PC, where, due to the size of my
> harddisk (small, but responsible to accommodate two Operating Systems,
> viz Win95 and Linux),  I kept all software  in minimum possible level.
>
> After the installion, I tried to compile hello.c and hello.C files,
> using gcc.  But, I received the error messages, '<stdio.h> file not
> found" in helo.c's case, and "<iostream.h> file not found" in helo.C's.
> I installed necessary libraries, and tried both files again; helo.c
> worked, but not helo.C.
>
> libg++ library, which, as far as I know is the one for C++ compiler, is
> there in my system, but compiler does not use it.   It seems, I have to
> link that library somewhere, somehow before compiling again, but I do
> not know how!
>
> Could any one out there let me know how I solve this problem?
>
> PLEASE WRITE ME ON [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> THAPA DAMAR
>
>

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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Which HP DeskJet to buy/not to buy? - quick advice needed,
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:26:42 +0000

On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, A.G. wrote:

> I really need an advice which of the HP's DeskJets are known to work well or
> poorly under Linux.

The Deskjet 6xx and 8xx pretty much all work with Ghostscript.

Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: InterBase 4.xx
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:13:12 GMT

  Inprise is giving free InterBase 4.0 for Linux. But for me to use it with
java applications I need InterClient for InterBase 4.0. The problem is that
there is only available the new InterClient for InterBase 5.xx.  Does anyone
know if I can find InterClient for InterBase 4.0 (if it exists ofcourse) or
suggest me some other way to use interbase with java applications?

(please if you do not bother send me a reply to e-mail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] too)

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From: Peter McDermott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:09:35 -0000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In the sacred domain of uk.comp.os.linux didst Sam Felton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently 
>scribe:
> : This statement is highly misleading.

> : I preface this by saying that I mean no offence to anyone who lives outside
> : North America:

> : With _very_ few exceptions, every place outside the US and Canada that I
> : have been, has little or no emission control standards. Take a walkabout in
> : Pu Dong in Shanghai, or Oxford Circus in London, and you'll see very quickly
> : what I mean.

> You're wrong about britain.Catalytic convertors are becoming a standard in
> petrol driven vehicles, and emission control is now a big part of the M.O.T.
> test. Fail the M.O.T., and you can't get a tax disk. (which means you can't
> legally drive it until the problem's been fixed and you DO pass the M.O.T.) 

Not to mention the taxes on both car ownership *and* on fuel,
(currently about 3 times that of the USA, IIRC?)


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:59:01 -0800

On 21 Feb 99 05:22:21 GMT, Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>
>>The reason that they don't add all the monitors is because there are to
>>many non-name brands out there (Just a silly ideas anyway).  Most of
>>which will use the same internal hardware as half a dozen of the regular
>>manufactures (That is where they get the hardware in the first place) 
>>
>>Take a stab and pick a couple of the best monitor names from the list
>>and see what you get.  That is the best thing for it.  You could spend
>>the rest of your life typing stuff in to a program that really doesn't
>>need to be there if you just check for standard chips and see what the
>>monitor can do.  
>
>Not bad advice... I have XFree86 on 2 different machines and found that the
>NEC 3d selection works best on both of my monitors, neither of which is a 
>NEC3d.

        Alternately, you can just pick the custom option and then       
        subsequently pick the most conservative generic monitor
        option that satisfies your resolution requirements.


-- 
                Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
  
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or         |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out   / | \
as soon as your grip slips.

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:51:12 -0800
From: Peter Ajamian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading xfree

Mick George wrote:

> Hi, hope someone can help
>
> I've just taken the plunge and installed Suse 5.2 which came with
> xfree 3.2...     Unfortunately this release of xfree doesn't seem to
> want to work with my Productiva g100, so I tried installing xfree 3.3
> which allegedly has support for this card. However I can't get the
> installation to work correctly.
>
> I follow the installation instructions to the letter but I can't seem
> to get the "extract" utility to unzip the files correctly. Is there an
> easy way to unzip these *.tgz files. Like I've said I've only just
> started with Linux so if you could keep the answers to one syllable
> words please :-)
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Mick George

tar -xzvf filename.tgz

works for me :)

Good luck:)


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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:58:59 -0800
From: Peter Ajamian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel/CD-rom trubble

Richard Lindgren wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have trubble mounting my CD-rom.
> message:
> "mount: fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel."
> This problem started since I changed/updated my kernel to
> kernel-2.0.36-1
>
> Anyone knows what might be the trubble and the sulotion to it.
>
> Thanx.

I'm still pretty new at Linux so don't take my word unless
someone else agrees with me but it looks to me like you need to
recompile the kernel and answer yes when it asks about iso9660
support.

Good luck:)


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