Linux-Misc Digest #155, Volume #21 Sun, 25 Jul 99 08:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Lee)
Re: Inheritance vs. Evolution? [Re: Marx vs. Nozick] (robert)
Re: star office (Carl Fink)
Re: CLI text editor for Windows (Sitaram Chamarty)
[HELP] Acer CRW-6206A and Cdrecord-1.6.1 (with Xcdroast-0.96e) ("Youngert")
Re: RedHat 5.2 no floppy controllers found?!!! (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Where is NULL/__null? (Tim Harrell)
Re: High load average, low cpu usage when /home NFS mounted (Peter Steiner)
Re: High load average, low cpu usage (Peter Steiner)
autofs + don't want symbolic links (Stefan van der Eijk)
LXNY LUNY NYLUG New School Install Fest Wednesday 28 July 1999 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Scrolling with a mouse wheel in Linux (Ross Wonderley)
Re: shakiness with ATI Xpert 98 8M (Ross Wonderley)
Re: xterm: scrolling up and down (Roy Culley)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 24 Jul 1999 00:03:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>On or around 23 Jul 1999 10:13:58 GMT, Chris Lee wrote something about
>"Re: Shortcomings of Linux?"...
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >
>> >On or around 21 Jul 1999 23:52:29 GMT, Chris Lee wrote something
>> >about "Re: Shortcomings of Linux?"...
>>
>> >> It isn't me dude. A hell of a lot of people in the newsgroups I
>> >> mentioned are using pppd on linux and other OS's to connect to NT
>> >>
>> >> 4.0 servers using PAP and not MS-CHAP. This blows your stupid
>> >> comment that everybody is using MS-CHAP out of the water.
>> >
>> >Oh dear, Chris.
>> >
>> >It is obvious that oyu know you are loosing the argument, as you
>> >have resorted to claiming that the other person has said things
>> >which, qite clearly, they have not said.
>> >
>> >Shame on you.
>>
>> And you better re-read this this thread. A lot of the people who use
>> Linux and other OS's aside from than myself thought Kruse's comments
>> concerning MS-CHAP was silly.
>
>Actually, Chris, I was referring to your line where you claim that
>Holger stated that "everyone is using MS-CHAP", which, as we both know,
>is not what he said. (I've even left your quote in so you can see what
>I mean).
>
>Therefore, as I pointed out, you have resorted to claiming that the
>other person has said things which they quite clearly have not, ergo
>you have lost the argument.
>
>Hope this clarifies it for you.
See the following post from Anthony Ord, I don't need to say anything
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:50:26 GMT
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On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:48:01 GMT, "Jeffrey D. Webster"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chris Lee wrote:
>> In article <7n46iq$cjj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
<snip>
>> >Frankly, this is getting ridiculuos. Obviously you don't KNOW
>> >that MS-CHAP is a problem. Fine, so you have been lucky enough
>> >to never run across it. That does not mean that the problem
>> >does not exist. It DOES exist, as thousands of users can testify.
>> >Denying a problem just because you have been lucky enough to
>> >never encounter it is just a sign of arrogance.
>>
>> It isn't me dude. A hell of a lot of people in the newsgroups I mentioned
>> are using pppd on linux and other OS's to connect to NT 4.0 servers using
>> PAP and not MS-CHAP. This blows your stupid comment that everybody is
using
>> MS-CHAP out of the water.
>
> I didn't see him state that "everybody" is using it.
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On 18 Jul 1999 18:00:18 GMT, Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>But it does work. MS-CHAP was extremely unpopular, broke
>some PPP implementations, has major security flaws (even in
>V2), yet Microsoft pushed it through by implementing it
>in 95/98/NT, and now everybody is using it. Even third parties
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>were forced to implement it, or they would have lost market
>share.
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>Making this stuff up
>as we go a long, are we?
Obviously Chris Lee isn't making it up is he?
I believe you have an apology to make to him.
>Regards,
>Jeffrey D. Webster
Regards
Anthony
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From: robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Inheritance vs. Evolution? [Re: Marx vs. Nozick]
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:14:49 +0100
Richard Kulisz wrote:
>
> In article <7n72vt$q3g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The discussions on whethe humans are animals or not reminds me of the
> >general question of inheritance:
>
> In what sense?
Well, in the sense that what we observe is, IMO, the problem of
composing complex classes from elementary classes, where the complex
class 'behaves' completely differently from the sum of the functions of
it's members. And more than that, some of the characteristics of the
elementary classes get 'lost', i.e. are not applicable anymore. I mean,
they are still applicable, as long as the elementary classes can be
accessed individually (out of context). But how do we describe the rules
that conditionally switch old functions off and new functions on?
Should it be possible to derive those rules from either a) the
characteristics of the elementary classes (in which case they would have
to be extended and would carry a lot of useless information, useless for
the elementary, individual existence) or b) from a different source of
information, a modifier class, that describes, so to speak, the group
psychology aspects of the elementary classes when they combine in a
complex class etc.etc.etc. -- is this too farfetched?
regards,
r.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: star office
Date: 23 Jul 1999 23:59:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:22:11 -0400 David Mcilroy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Robert J. Schweikert" wrote:
>
>> So, I got Star ofiice downloaded and installed, but now what?
>>
>> I am using GNOME on RH6-0, what do I need to do to get this thing (Star
>> Office) started? Where do I start looking?
>
>www.stardivision.de
Or in the USA, www.staroffice.com.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: CLI text editor for Windows
Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:03:15 -0700
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:33:27 GMT, Brent Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know that this is a Linux group, so please don't flame me for the posting.
>I'm asking here because the UNIX community seems to know a lot more about
>software packages than does the Windows community.
>
>I have 4 Linux servers and 1 NT Server (NT required by my client). I have
>SSH running on the NT Server (Just figured it out) and I need to CLI text
>editor for NT. I'm figuring that any such animal would probably be a port
>from UNIX.
>
>Does anyone know of a text editor, like PICO of VI, that has been ported to
>NT? Since even the DOS editor requires graphics to run, I can't use it over
>an SSH session.
If edit.exe won't run over an ssh session, I doubt that you'll
find any. I have many times "telnet-ed" to an NT box, and even
"cls" doesn't work, IIRC!
[Quick check: on your ssh session, type in "cls" and see if the
screen clears OK. If it does - you have some hope!]
Anyway - try vim.exe (http://www.vim.org). If that doesn't work,
my normal advice would be "mount using smbmount" and edit on the
Linux box. However, since you're security-conscious enough to use
ssh, I don't know if you'll go for it! Your call.
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From: "Youngert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HELP] Acer CRW-6206A and Cdrecord-1.6.1 (with Xcdroast-0.96e)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:02:23 -0400
It looks like the technology used by Acer company on its CD-RW 6206A is
different from any other CD-RW. However, after having failed to burn a CD-R
media on my Acer CD-RW 6206A using cdrecord-1.6.1 with Xcdroast-0.96e as the
front-end GUI, I rebooted my computer using NT-4 Server and was able to
re-burn the CD-R media using the Adaptec Easy CD Creator v3.5a (105)
software. In other words, the re-burn process was able to recycle the same
CD-R failed using the cdrecord-1.6.1 with xcdroast as a front-end GUI.
However, I am able to flawlessly burn a CD-RW media on my Acer CD-RW 6206A
using the cdrecord-1.6.1 with Xcdroast-0.96e as a font-end GUI.
Having said that, does that mean the cdrecord-1.6.1 can not be used to burn
a CD-R media on an Acer CD-RW 6206A? Has anyone had ever flawlessly burnt a
CD-R media on his/her Acer CD-RW 6206A using cdrecord-1.6.1?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: RedHat 5.2 no floppy controllers found?!!!
Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:03:17 -0700
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:46:22 -0700, Brad Ball
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>no floppy controllers found
Judging from the other details in your post, this my not be
relevant, but, here goes: I have a laptop that has an LS-120
floppy drive that I (at first) thought was a normal floppy drive.
It's not. It's an IDE drive![1]
So this may sound silly but make sure you have a real floppy drive
and not a "super disk" (aka LS-120)!
[1] As a result, many utils don't work. I can't make or use
/dev/fd0H1722 diskettes, for instance. As for booting, what's
wrong with LILO?
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From: Tim Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Where is NULL/__null?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:52:55 GMT
John Winters wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tim Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have recently installed Suse 6.1, only now when I come to compile
> >stuff , I get the error that __null is not defined.
> >__null is what NULL is defined to be it seems but where is __null got
> >from.
> >
> >A simple one line c prog will reproduce this...
> >
> >>>>
> >char *p = NULL;
> >>>>
> >
> >compiling this with gcc -c gives
> >`__null' was not declared in this scope
> >
> >so it does see that NULL is defined from __null but not __null itself.
>
> The single line version of the program shouldn't compile at all. The
> error message you give suggests you did in fact have some sort of
> #include in there.
you're right - i did try an include in there (stdio/stddef), so that it
finds the defn of NULL
> >Including <stdio.h> or <stddef.h> does not solve this problem.
>
> However, #including <stddef.h> should make it a legal compilation
> unit. Looking through the egcs header files, __null doesn't seem
> to be defined anywhere which suggests it is a compiler internal.
that's what I thought too, like __cplusplus (which _is_ defined)
> >I have gcc installed from package egcs-990315, gcc -v gives...
> >
> > gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 release)
> >
> >Was there something wrong with my install perhaps?
>
> It looks likely - possibly the wrong set of header files for the
> compiler?
>
> HTH
> John
What I also find worrying is that according to the man page, g++ is a
synonym for gcc and so I should be able to do
g++ filename
yet when I do this it says 'g++: command not found' and there does not
appear to be g++, even as a hard or soft link, anywhere on my system.
Yet I have libg++ versions in /usr/lib which come from the packages
gppshare and libgpp27.
Even more worrying is that there it doesn't find iostream.h include. It
turns out that this is in /usr/include/g++-2.7 so why doesn't it have
that in its internal search path. It'll be a pain if I have to
explicitly use -I/usr/include/g++-2.7 every time (this still doesn't
give me __null anyway).
Note: Using dependency checking on the pkgs, everything seems to tie in
versionwise...
Suse 6.1 , 2.2.5
--
Tim Harrell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: High load average, low cpu usage when /home NFS mounted
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:57:20 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kelly Burkhart wrote:
>> loadavg
>>
>> The load average numbers give the number of jobs in
>> the run queue averaged over 1, 5 and 15 minutes.
The manpage is wrong.
>Really? I thought processes waiting on IO were not in the run queue;
>only processes that were "ready to run".
That should be correct.
The loadavg shows the number of "active" tasks. Active does not only
mean "running", but also "doing critical I/O".
kernel/sched.c:
static unsigned long count_active_tasks(void)
{
struct task_struct *p;
unsigned long nr = 0;
read_lock(&tasklist_lock);
for_each_task(p) {
if ((p->state == TASK_RUNNING ||
p->state == TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE ||
p->state == TASK_SWAPPING))
nr += FIXED_1;
}
read_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
return nr;
}
All tasks are counted that are either TASK_RUNNING,
TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE or TASK_SWAPPING.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: High load average, low cpu usage
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:57:21 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ole Jacob Taraldset wrote:
>Isn't load average a function of cpu usage (only, mostly)?
CPU usage is just 1/3rd of the load. It's "load" and not "CPU load".
Tasks that swap or sleep uninterruptible also increase the load.
Peter
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From: Stefan van der Eijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: autofs + don't want symbolic links
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:54:28 +0200
Hello,
I'm trying to set up autofs, and partly it's working fine. On my client
system I get my home directory mounted (through NFS). This works.
bash-2.03$ cd /home
bash-2.03$ ls -l
total 2
drwxr-xr-x 46 stefan stefan 2048 Jul 25 12:36 stefan
bash-2.03$ cd stefan
bash-2.03$ df .
Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
alpha:/export/home/stefan
8579028 5034757 3099395 62% /home/stefan
Now on my server I'd also like the home directories to be mounted using
NFS. Right now autofs is putting down symbolic links:
[stefan@cgmd77035 /home]$ ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jul 25 12:32 stefan ->
/data/home/stefan
I'm also running a webserver on my "server". If I want my homepage to be
serverd up by apache I have to
turn on "follow symbolic links" which I don't want to do. (This is a
redhat system, document root is in
/home/httpd, personal homepages are in ~/.html/).
How can I setup the autofs on my server so it will NFS mount the home
directories (eventhough they're on
the same system)??
I don't know if these are the right groups to post in for this question,
if there are better places to ask
this question please let me know. Thanks!!!
Stefan van der Eijk
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
bash-2.03$ ypcat auto.master
auto.home --timeout 60
bash-2.03$ ypcat auto.home
alpha:/data/home/stefan
alpha:/data/home/ftp
alpha:/data/home/samba
alpha:/data/home/httpd
(cgmd77035 and alpha are the same machine: cgmd77035 is the cablemodem
interface, alpha is the local interface.
The nfsd is running, and the home-dir's are exported).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,nyc.seminars
Subject: LXNY LUNY NYLUG New School Install Fest Wednesday 28 July 1999
Date: 25 Jul 1999 11:00:29 GMT
This Install Fest is free and open to the public.
This Install Fest is made possible through the work and kind generosity of
the organizers and all the volunteers and the New School Computer Center.
Date: Wednesday, 28 July 1999.
Time: 6:00 pm to 10:00 pm.
Late comers are just as welcome as those who arrive at 6:00 pm.
Location: New School Computer Center
68 Fifth Avenue, between 12th and 13th Streets,
on the Island of Manhattan.
Hardware: Bring the boxes on which you wish to run a Free OS.
Though it is safest to bring your monitor, keyboard, and mouse,
you need not. We will have such available onsite.
Internet connections via ethernet will be provided.
Telephone lines will be provided, so we can help with PPP.
Software: Bring whatever distribution CDs, boot and rescue disks, boot
managers, tiny distributions, manuals, and anything else you
want. Again, you need not bring any of these things, since
they will be available onsite.
All free software welcome! LXNY does not discriminate among free kernels
based upon the first letter of their names. We shall install as many free
systems on as many machines and on as many different kinds of machines as
possible. We shall install both Linux kerneled and free *BSD kerneled
systems, we'll try a Scheme that boots on the metal, and we'd like to see
the Hurd and some other free kernels running, too.
All experienced installers are invited to come and help.
All students of economics, of the history of engineering, and of the art
of propaganda are invited.
The organizers of this Install Fest are Kamel Merarda of the
New School and Alex Khalil.
If you need information the first person to contact is
Kamel Merarda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
Alex Khalil <212 691-0903> is backup contact.
This Install Fest is sponsored by:
LXNY New York's Free Software Organization http://www.lxny.org
LUNY Linux Users of New York http://www.luny.org
NYLUG New York Linux User's Group http://www.nylug.org
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
LXNY is an organization in support of the Free Software Movement, and we
welcome all supporters of free software, whether or not you run, or even
like, the Linux kernel, gcc, clisp, cmucl, gcl, cfengine, bc, ABS, Amanda,
Bash, Bison, Yacc, COAS, Eddie, Elegant, Emacs, vim, Erlang, Essence,
FreeDOS, Sather, SmallEiffel, Jacal, apache, the FreeBSD kernel, chimera,
fvwm, Octave, GNOME, Guile, gawk, Hello, Jikes, KDE, Perl, Python,
fortune, the Hurd, Gwydion's not-quite-Dylan, Ocaml, oleo, XFree, Gamora,
gdbm, gmp, gnat, gimp, gnuProlog, TeX, gs, gv, Intercal, lilo, fips, mlos,
rpm, mocka, PM, Gambit, R, readline, qscheme, SIAG, siod, SCM, SLIB,
Screamer, Stalin, STk, sendmail, procmail, Squeak, SML/NJ, stBasic, units,
xscreensaver, XXL, ZOPE, zsh, etc..
What is Free Software? http://www.fsf.org
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From: Ross Wonderley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Scrolling with a mouse wheel in Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:15:57 +0100
Chad,
You need to get hold of a utility called "imwheel" It is available from:
http://solaris1.mysolution.com/~jcatki/imwheel/
Follow the instructions in the readme file that comes with it for adding the
appropriate lines to your XF86Config file, and .xinitrc
This worked with my Trust intellimouse clone. Note that not all X applications
support the use of the wheel.
Does anyone know how to make the horizontal wheel on the Trust mouse work
correctly? When used as an Intellimouse, the horizontal wheel just mmics the
vertical one.
Ross
"Chad J. Sanders" wrote:
> I, too, would like to configure my MS wheel mouse in RH 6. Does anyone have
> any suggestions on 'how-to' do this?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Chad.//
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From: Ross Wonderley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shakiness with ATI Xpert 98 8M
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:25:31 +0100
Ronald,
I have an ATI Xpert@Work card which uses the same drivers. It works
quite well right up to 1280x1024.
Youmay need to use xvidtune to check your display settings. YOu haven't
said what sort of monitor you are using, but it sounds as though the
mode setting for 1024x768 has been configured as an interlaced mode.
Does 800x600 work OK?
Ross
Ronald Haynes wrote:
> Hi, I am using an ATI Xpert 98 card configured
> with SAX, SUSE 6.1, 1024x768 resolution.
> I didn't notice it at first
> but now I am detecting a shimmy effect along the edges
> (left and right) not top and bottom.
>
> It is especially noticable with windows with one
> or both edges positioned near the edge of the display.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> R Haynes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: xterm: scrolling up and down
Date: 25 Jul 1999 11:28:28 GMT
In article <eunm3.1090$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Roy Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I would like the page up and page down keys on the keypad
>> to page up and down the xterm window and not scroll through
>> the bash command history. I have tried adding the following
>> to my .Xdefaults without any affect:
>
>> *VT100.Translations: #override <Key>KP_Prior: scroll-back(1,page)\n\
>> <Key>KP_Next: scroll-forw(1,page)
>
> Perhaps it (the translations) is already set in
> /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm
>
> You can see by 'appres XTerm'. If so, you may be able to still override it
> by making the resource more specific. (I prefer to not use xrdb - are you
> really using it to pick up your .Xdefaults ?)
>
I added the lines to the XTerm app-default file and it works. Here's
a diff:
diff XTerm XTerm.orig
173,175c173
< Shift<KeyPress>Delete:string("\033[3~") \n\
< <Key>KP_Prior: scroll-back(1,page) \n\
< <Key>KP_Next: scroll-forw(1,page)
---
> Shift<KeyPress>Delete:string("\033[3~")
I still don't know why it doesn't work from my ~/.Xdefaults file.
Editing the XTerm file isn't really a good solution. Any ideas
anyone?
Regards,
Roy
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