Linux-Misc Digest #167, Volume #21 Mon, 26 Jul 99 01:13:15 EDT
Contents:
Which frigging version????? ("Zach")
Re: How to use sendmail with 2 SMTP servers ? (Peter Englmaier)
Re: Position X windows through cli (Peter Englmaier)
Re: who is getting this message (Matt Garman)
Re: Any seyon experts on board? (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: redhat vs suse (Paul Trost)
Re: HP CD-RW Supported by RH 6.0? (Stephen Lee - Post replies please)
Re: cp -r versus cp -R (Tom Fawcett)
Re: 3 redhat 6 annoyances (Rod Roark)
Re: Chmoding directories for �O�thers: x or rx? (Gilles Pelletier)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (Jeff)
Re: hairy ramdisk/mount/ln question (Tom Fawcett)
Re: problems installing staroffice (Bob Martin)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Casper")
Umount fails on /mnt/cdrom (Brad)
editing keymap .gz file (Steffan O'Sullivan)
Re: Memory usage of window managers-need info (Brad)
Re: ThinkPad 390 (Tom Fawcett)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Casper")
Re: Newbie basic questions... many questions (ryan)
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From: "Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Which frigging version?????
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:46:57 -0500
As you might have guessed from the subject, I'm a major Linux newbie. I'm
familiar with Unix to some degree - I used it for a while on Netcom, and
even managed to set up a decent Procmail script, but the majority of my
computer time for the last several years has been on either DOS or Windows.
Lately, Linux has been looking more and more interesting...but there are so
many choices!!! I'm having a hard time dealing with that - guess I've been
using Windows for too long :)
I've been reading whatever I can find on Linux, and there's almost an
overwhelming amount of info out there. Where can I find a review or
something of what all the different distributions offer? It's frustrating -
each time I think I've settled on one, I find out something about another
that makes it look like a better decision. I've been trying to find the
Buyer's Guide that Linux Journal offers, but I either hit a broken link or
get the 1997 version - not what I'm looking for. If someone can steer me in
the right direction here, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks!
--
Zach Babayco
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Applying computer technology is simply finding
the right wrench to pound in the correct screw."
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From: Peter Englmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to use sendmail with 2 SMTP servers ?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:14:39 -0400
The smartest way is to call such customize scripts from
/sbin/ifup-local
which is a shell script. It doesn't exist by default, and
it was new in initscripts-4.16 (as provieded with Redhat 6.0).
The script is called with the first argument set to the network
device comming up. So you can do various things depending on where
you connect:
#!/bin/bash
# --- this script is called by ifup-post ---
DEVICE=$1
# check for email
if [ "${DEVICE}" = "eth0" -o "${DEVICE}" = "ppp1" ]; then
/usr/sbin/sendmail -q
su -lc fetchmail myuserid >& /dev/null &
fi
# ppe: set clock if connected to ethernet
if [ "${DEVICE}" = "eth0" -a "`hostname`" = "myhostname" ]; then
( rdate -s somelocalmachine ; hwclock --systohc --utc ) >& /dev/null &
fi
----
Cheers, Peter.
----
Mihaly Gyulai wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Here is the little script I set up to swap between sendmail
> > configurations... one with DSsmtp.example.ch and the other blank, DS
> ...
>
> Thanks for your help ! :)
> I'll examine the script, and change the data...
>
> Anyway, how do you call it ? I mean : do you call it allways,
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From: Peter Englmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Position X windows through cli
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:23:20 -0400
Most X-programs accept the '-geometry' option for specifying
size and position of windows. See the man page for X.
Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
>
> Hi all...
>
> Is there a way to force an Xwindow to open in a pre-set position?
>
> I am trying to have a couple of wm style dock apps open on my logon
> screen, but they all open on top of each other so that only one is
> visable...
>
> Thanks
>
> --
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Zoo Station
> --===<|>===--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Garman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: who is getting this message
Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:24:07 -0400, B'ichela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been trying to send messages with Leafnode. but no one
> seems to be replying to them. I am on a Domain name Service called
> dhis.org. my news-server is on my ISP (actually they are outsourcing
> it) my isp is ctol.net. I just set the hostname = ctol.net in my
> /etc/leafnode/config I am running a beta of it called leafnode 1.10b2
> which has been working here. I also need some one to reply to this so
> I can see if my email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] is working
> ...
I'm gettin' in tune, er, getting this message. (Been reading too many
guitar newsgroups :)
I also Cc'd this message to the email address to listed in the above
paragraph.
Good luck!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Any seyon experts on board?
Date: 26 Jul 1999 02:29:23 GMT
In article <OCKm3.711$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gordon D. Anderson wrote:
>Mostly out of curiosity, I've been wasting time trying to get seyon to
>run. On the command line I type : seyon -modems /dev/modem
>The returned error message claims the modem is not available or permission
>is denied.
I believe Seyon checks the traditional uucp lockfile for the port.
Look for /var/lock/modem, or /var/lock/ttyS* or /var/spool/uucp/lock/*.
(Too bad that stuff was never really standardized...)
Also, try talking to the real device, not a symlink that points to it.
cu(1) cares about these things, too. Minicom is more reckless.
Cameron
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From: Paul Trost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: redhat vs suse
Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:31:16 GMT
The latest prices I've seen range from 65 to 80 depending on the size of
the seller. Redhat 6.0 is significantly more expensive then 5.2 because of
increasing cost of support.
Paul
You have to admin, CompUSA is lower than Micro Center!
Mike Bartman wrote:
> On 25 Jul 1999 01:31:13 GMT, Paul Trost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >find SuSE more to my liking. Red Hat will cost about $80 and SuSE about
> >$29.
>
> I can't comment on SuSE, but where are you buying software that sells
> Red Hat for $80??? I got a copy of 5.2 at CompUSA last year for
> $30...and CompUSA is NOT known for low prices!
>
> -- Mike "if SuSE is better there should be no need for exageration"
> Bartman --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.
> I'm getting sick of all the spam...
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From: Stephen Lee - Post replies please <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: HP CD-RW Supported by RH 6.0?
Date: 26 Jul 1999 01:28:59 GMT
In article <7ncqs4$cg0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>David T. Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Jack Steen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Does anyone know of a
>>> reference to HP CD-RW support under Linux?
>>
>>If cdrecord does not support it, it is unsupported.
>>
>>However, the maintainers of cdrecord are completely insane
>>when it comes to supporting everything they can get specs
>>for. To their credit.
>
>Why insane? If I get specs, the drive is usualy supported some time later.
He is giving you a credit that you spend a lot of time supporting
everything you can, which is such a difficult task that a sane person
would not attempt (and given all the buggy hardware out there, I'd agree).
Stephen
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cp -r versus cp -R
Date: 25 Jul 1999 23:39:39 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Anybody understand the difference between the "cp" command's -r and -R
> options? From man page:
>
> -r Copy directories recursively, copying all non-directories as if
> they were regular files
>
> -R Copy directories recursively
>
>
> If the difference lies in their treatment of non-directories, and if
> -r copies them as if they were regular files, how the heck does -R
> copy them?
>
> I would have regarded "non-directories" and "regular files" as
> synonymous but evidently there are some types of non-directories that
> aren't regular files? I'm confused. What distinctions don't I
> understand?
There are other things that files can be. Try:
cp -R /dev/fd0 foo
then
cp -r /dev/fd0 foo
See the mknod manpage for (slightly) more info on non-regular files.
-Tom
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3 redhat 6 annoyances
Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:39:43 GMT
John Doe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:40:02 -0400, Chad Cunningham :
>>
>>2) Can't shutdown w/o password
>>
>>I have been unable to find a way to let a user shutdown the machine
>>without entering their password. I've put the user in the root group,
>>the wheel group, the shutdown group, and I've enabled all the privilage
>>options in linuxconf, all to no avail.
>
>Why don't you give everyone root password? That's an easy solution.
Hmm. I think you could just edit /etc/inittab so that alt-ctrl-del
does a shutdown with halt instead of rebooting.
-- Rod
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http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gilles Pelletier)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Chmoding directories for �O�thers: x or rx?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:55:28 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters) �crivait/wrote:
>>�Normallay r is granted whenever x is; you can get some strange
>>effects if a directory has x but not r. For instance, if a directory
>>has x turned on but not r, you can't list its contents, but if you
>>already know its contents, you can delete or copy its files.�
> ^
> and have write access to the directory
>
>It only needs a small insertion to be fully correct.
Of course, if you got write access, you can delete files, and you can
copy them even without write access: no "strange effet" about this and
no reason to "grant r whenever x is".
I contacted one of the authors and it seems there was some
confusion in this passage: it just doen't make sense. There's nothing
more to be learned here than from encrypted chinese. Forget about it!
GP
--
Rencontrez N�fertiti, Einstein, Tocqueville, etc.
La Masse Critique -- http://pages.infinit.net/mcrit
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:04:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Phillips) wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:15:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (William Wueppelmann) wrote:
>>One of the main points missed by Windows users when using Linux is that the
>>notion of an application in the Unix world is very different that that in
>>the Windows world. The reason you won't find a lot of monolithic,
>>one-size-fits-all(-poorly) applicatins for Linux is because the Unix world
>>got along quite well with its own method of solving problems.
>
> The UNIX world was never a player in desktop publishing, heavy
> graphics etc. Consequently it developed NO suitable applications for
> that, in fact generally the machines that Unix runs on are totally
> unsuited to that.
>
Uh, don't tell SGI that! My O2 totally kicks butt in the heavy graphics department,
and any television outfit worth its salt has SGI gear doing the intensive graphic
arts stuff.
By the way, check out SGI's work on hardhat Linux.
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hairy ramdisk/mount/ln question
Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:02:56 -0400
jerrad pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Okay so here's what I want to do:
>
> mount a ramdisk to a frequently accessed directory, essentially
> "shadowing" it? but, I want to have a cron job periodically run through
> and copy the ram drive's contents to the actual directory
Why do you want to do this manually? Normal block device cacheing uses LRU
replacement, so a frequently accessed directory should stay cached. And the
update (bdflush) daemon periodically flushes the dirty buffers.
In other words, it sounds like the cacheing scheme you want is done by the
kernel already.
-Tom
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problems installing staroffice
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 02:23:41 +0000
S Ghosh wrote:
>
> hi,
> I recently installed RH8.0 on my p-2, and have had satisfactory performance
> till now. Since i have some sizeable amt of office-related work, I decided
> to install staroffice. But at setup it says that i've to install the later
> versions of glibc2 or libc6 libs ( libc.so.6.x it says) and when I replace
> the present lbi-loader with the libloader given with the staroffice pakage,
> the kernel panics and the whole thing doesnt boot.
> If on the other hand , I try setting up without unstalling the glibc2
> package, the setup program aborts with no news.
>
> What am i to do/ what am i doing wrong?
>
> thanks a lot,
> S ghosh
RH 6.0 maybe ? just ran the install script in the SO directory, ignore
the error message about the libs and it works fine.
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:21:39 GMT
"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
CL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >
CL> >"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> >
CL> >CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
CL> >CL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CL> >CL> >CL> says...
CL> >CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> >Chris Lee wrote:
CL> >CL> >CL> >>
CL> >CL> >CL> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
CL> >CL> >CL> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >CL> >CL> >> >
CL> >CL> >CL
CL> >CL> >CL> Who says it's the best? Amiga users? Give me a
CL> >CL> >CL> break....
CL> >CL> >CL>
CL> >CL> >No I say it is and I've used many platforms. You know
CL> >CL> >nothing about miami or its ease of use and connection, nor
CL> >CL> >any of it power. So you are again speaking out of
CL> >CL> >ignorance, and making a complete fool out of yourself..
CL> >CL>
CL> >CL> Miami is better and more powerful than PPPD? Sure it is
CL> >CL> dude. Suuure it is....NOT.
CL> >Give it up DUDE! You know NOTHING about Miami, and I've seen
CL> >from your previous post that you are completely CLUELESS, and
CL> >you continue to make an ass out of yourself.
CL> >
CL> >Just stop....you're embarassing yourself.
CL>
CL> I tried Miami out on my A3000. I wasn't impressed by it. Have you
CL> tried using PPPD on a linux machine? Didn't think so....
CL>
Dude miami and miam Deluxe are two completnly differnt things. It is
obvious that you have NEVER tried Maima Deluxe and you don't have a
clue as to what you are talking about. I've tired to warn you , but
you cotinue to make a complete Fool out of yourslef. It is getting
pathtetic now...give it up for gods sake before you are banded as a
complete IDIOT and added to everyones killfiiles. Yoiu have been
warned....
regards,
--
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From: Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Umount fails on /mnt/cdrom
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:32:52 -0400
Hello,
I'm using Redhat 6.0 /w kernel 2.2.10. Mount/umount works
fine on /mnt/cdrom until another unix machine nfs mounts
and then umounts the export. At this point umount reports
the device is busy. I am sure /mnt/cdrom is not still
remotely mounted and that nothing locally is using
the mount. Fuser reports that user as kernel even
though fstab has the user option set and the mount
was mounted by a user. The only way to remove the
cd is to reboot. I know there are some patches out
there for the nfs but I am not sure where the problem
is. Does anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
Thanks
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Subject: editing keymap .gz file
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffan O'Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:26:36 GMT
All right, I have my quirks in keyboard layout. Long ago I switched
the colon and semicolon on my keyboard layout since I use the colon
much more, and by now I'm very used to it.
So when I went to do this with suse 6.1, I found the keyboard map
pointing to a .gz file. Hmm - can't edit this directly. So I used
gunzip with no switches, got a text file which I edited with vi. No
problem so far - all I did was move the four letters "semi" back a bit
in the same line.
When I used gzip to create the new .gz file, however, I compared it
with a copy of the original I had made (I always make a copy before
editing a file!), and found it ten bytes larger. Hmmm - I added
nothing, just move characters in the same line.
Next time I logged in, sure enough, my colon and semicolon were
switched to the way I like them - hooray!
But when I type "startx" to enter KDE, sometimes - not always - the
entire mouse and keyboard refuse to function - not even CAPS LOCK
works. Even though x uses its own keymap config file ...
So I replaced the keymap file with the original, and everything works
fine - except I want the : and ; switched still when in non-graphic
mode.
So what I have done wrong? How does one edit and recreate a .gz file
so the bytes come out the same? Does it have to be a .gz file? Help,
please!
--
-Steffan O'Sullivan |
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Seek Grailo, Even Better Than the True Grail"
Chapel Hill, NC |
www.io.com/~sos | -James Thurber sums up the 20th Century
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From: Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory usage of window managers-need info
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:00:45 -0400
free will tell you how much memeory is used in buffers
This looks interesting
http://www.xfce.org/
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ThinkPad 390
Date: 25 Jul 1999 23:49:37 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Feinnerg) writes:
> I am planning to get myself a laptop. Many people recomended the Think
> Pad 390. Has anyone had any experience using this model in Linux? Do
> all the systems work (audio? video? cdrom?)?
Here's the master page for notebooks. Lots of entries for Thinkpads:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/
-Tom
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:36:00 GMT
"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
CL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >
CL> >"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> >
CL> >CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
CL> >CL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CL> >CL> >CL> says...
CL> >CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >CL> >Chris Lee wrote:
CL> >CL> >CL> >>
CL> >CL> >CL> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
CL> >CL> >CL> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >CL> >CL> >> >
CL> >CL> >CL
CL> >CL> >CL> Who says it's the best? Amiga users? Give me a
CL> >CL> >CL> break....
CL> >CL> >CL>
CL> >CL> >No I say it is and I've used many platforms. You know
CL> >CL> >nothing about miami or its ease of use and connection, nor
CL> >CL> >any of it power. So you are again speaking out of
CL> >CL> >ignorance, and making a complete fool out of yourself..
CL> >CL>
CL> >CL> Miami is better and more powerful than PPPD? Sure it is
CL> >CL> dude. Suuure it is....NOT.
CL> >Give it up DUDE! You know NOTHING about Miami, and I've seen
CL> >from your previous post that you are completely CLUELESS, and
CL> >you continue to make an ass out of yourself.
CL> >
CL> >Just stop....you're embarassing yourself.
CL>
CL> I tried Miami out on my A3000. I wasn't impressed by it. Have you
CL> tried using PPPD on a linux machine? Didn't think so....
CL>
Oh yeah, i've tried PPPD on a linux machine and frankly it is
PATHETIC compared to miami Deluxe. The question is that have you
tried Miami Deluxe on an Amiga? I seriously doubt it, otherwish you
would not continue to make a fool out of yourslelf!
--
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From: ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie basic questions... many questions
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:39:14 -0400
Frank Lopes wrote:
> Here is a challenge:
>
> I need to start using Linux for several reasons (too many to enumerate...).
> I have never used Linux or Unix for that matter. Even the "language" used by
> everyone describing steps or recommendations is foreign to me. I have
> extensive knowledge of (cough, cough) Windows 9X and NT but no Unix
> experience of any kind.
>
> So here are some of my questions:
>
> 1- Is there a good FAQ list that I could start with instead of pestering
> everyone with my questions?
>
I would check out:
Linux HOWTOS:
http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/
"Linux Installation and Getting Started":
http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/LDP/gs/gs.html
> 2- At the same time that I start with the FAQ, I would like to take a crack
> at installing Linux. I've done some research and apparently all my hardware
> is compatible (at least with RedHat). What is the best use of my dollars?
> RedHat? Slackware? Or are there any others that I may want to look at? At
> this stage I don't need the most powerful or the fastest implementation just
> the easiest to install. Is there a site that compares the different
> implementations?
>
If you have already confirmed that RedHat is compatable with your setup, it
would be a fine choice. There is a lot of documentation already and
furthermore a large user base. I would have to also recommend Mandrake and
Caldera. They are both slightly easier to install than RedHat. In fact
Mandrake is just RedHat with some added programs and hacks (mostly to increase
security and user friendliness). Caldera's OpenLinux is probably the easiest
in my opinion, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be compatable if RedHat is.
As far as the money goes, all of the mentioned distributions are free for
download. If you want CD's (much easier and less time consuming), I know
LinuxMall (http://www.linuxmall.com) sells all these CDs (no manual) for $2.99.
>
> 3- Are there specialized FAQs for some of the more "arcane" subjects: for
> example network or performance issues?
>
Yes, I would look at the sites mentioned above.
>
> At this time I would rather be pointed to where these issues are addressed
> instead of being told what to do ( not that I wouldn't welcome the answers
> :-)
>
> Thank You
>
> ps: if I committed a "faux pass" by asking these questions in the wrong
> newsgroup, please just point me to the correct one. Thanks
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