Linux-Misc Digest #167, Volume #26 Sun, 29 Oct 00 01:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: How to recover a deleted (rm -fr) directory and files (Jens Link)
Re: Linux and Palm ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Q: Text copy Debian package installed list? (s. keeling)
Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system? (Gary Carlson)
Apache Install (Jim Finney)
Re: What is a system map, part 2? (s. keeling)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (s. keeling)
Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system? (nuk)
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From: Jens Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to recover a deleted (rm -fr) directory and files
Date: 28 Oct 2000 21:07:29 -0600
"Philip Wang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I have accidentally deleted a directory with a lot of files in my RedHat 6.1
> machine. Does anyone know anyway to get the files back?
I hope you have a backup. I not check out the Linux Ext2fs Undeletion
mini-HOWTO (http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Ext2fs-Undeletion.html)
Good luck
Jens
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Palm
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:05:45 GMT
I have jpilot, what I'm looking for is a command line utiltity, along
the lines of the pilot-link utilites. I don't like GUI's very much, to
slow.
Carson
In article <8tfh4b$a99$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : Does anyone know of a program for linux that can create doc files
for
> : that palm? I have one on windows
>
> Lots. Why not go to the linux palm archive sites! Search for them on
> the net. You will need the pilot-utilities package, and then a front
end of
> your choosing (I use jpilot; just getting and installing it should
> be enough of a lead for you).
>
> Peter
>
--
Carson R. Wilcox
Senior Architect
DMR Consulting Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s. keeling)
Subject: Re: Q: Text copy Debian package installed list?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:32:50 GMT
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:23:35 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On or about 9 Oct 2000 12:56:35 +0100, Andreas K�h�ri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>scrivened:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On or about Mon, 9 Oct 2000 08:00:05 +0200, Jonathan Gift
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrivened:
> >>> Hi,
> >>
> >>> How can I get a list that I can shoot to a text file contining the installed
> >>> deb package list? Like rpm -qa in RedHat and mandrake?
> >>
> >> $ dpkg --list-selections
>
> > Hmmm... in my version of 'dpkg' (1.6.14) it's "--get-selections" and
> > "--list" (read the manual page).
>
> Yeah, what he said.
>
> It's "--get-selections" to write current package list to stdout. It's
> "--set-selections" to read a list of desired packages from stdin (or
> file). Makes cloning a particular package set fairly easy.
dpkg -l is the concise shorthand.
--
[email protected] (Stephen) TopQuark Software & Serv. Enquire within.
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Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
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From: Gary Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:44:18 GMT
I need help in making a decision whether our statewide (several hundred
users spread out geographically over the entire state) should opt for a
Linux OS or a Windows OS. I serve on the steering committee for the
program. We currently use OS/2 as our OS, but intend to migrate off.
The application software itself is being rewritten in JAVA.
The application is question is the Wisconsin Circuit Court Automation
Program (CCAP). Local users (for the most part, clerks of court,
although also judges, registers in probate and others) input data on new
case filings, court hearings, scheduling calendars, juror information,
and dispositions. Interfaces with other agencies, such as the district
attorneys, departments of revenue and transportation, etc., either exist
or are in the planning stages for the transfer of data. Local data is
transmitted on a hourly basis to the state capitol in Madison. The
database is obviously huge. We maintain a website for access to a
mirror site with the public data on a near statewide basis at
http://ccap.courts.state.wi.us - the website is averaging 250,000 hits
per day at last count.
In addition to the CCAP programming, our users also need an office suite
for word processing, spreadsheets, etc. Judges have software that
enables them to have court reporters provide "realtime" translation of
court proceedings to their notebooks. Email and internet access
(Netscape) is available for all users. In local court offices, public
terminals are made available free for users to access the local county
database.
Disclaimer:
1. Please don't let this thread degenerate into an "I hate windows" or
"I hate linux" mentality. This is a real decision that will have to be
made and I need real answers based on fact.
2. I am a circuit judge in Wisconsin; I am fairly competent on the
computer but certainly not a programmer; please bear with any perceived
ignorance on my part. I have read a fair amount of the posts on this NG
already. If you have questions I can try to answer them.
Questions:
1. Some of our users are worried about going to Linux. They fear a
learning curve exaggerated by the fact that those who own home computers
are most likely on WinXX and transference of skills will be minimal.
What do you believe the average computer user (the ones who go to
BestBuy or Gateway Country to buy a home computer) will experience in a
shift to Linux?
2. They are also concerned that going to Linux will create a wall
between them and other programs perceived to be beneficial that will
only be available on WinXX. From the state's point of view, this may be
good because we prohibit the downloading to or loading onto the state
computers programs other than those provided. What has been your
experience in the availability of new and exciting programs?
3. Are there WinXX emulators that will allow us to use programs we
already have, such as the court reporter software (CaseViewII by
Stenograph) or legal research programs (WestLaw, LOIS), or will going to
Linux require us to abandon those programs? How difficult are
workarounds?
4. Is Linux stable enough to be able to handle a network of several
hundred users, potentially over a thousand in a couple of years, spread
out over hundreds of miles across Wisconsin (we have 72 counties, 69 of
which are currently using all or part of CCAP)?
5. Is Linux, in the long run, really cost effective? Moving to Win2000
would result in a financial hit to our program of $4.4 million
"initially" and, of course, ties us to Microsoft. But is Linux really
that robust that it is going to be around into the future, or are we
just getting into another IBM OS/2 situation? (BTW, when we first went
into OS/2 it was because we needed multitasking and Windows--at that
stage--just didn't cut the mustard--but let's not talk about whether
going to OS/2 initially was good, bad or ugly.)
6. Have there been Linux compatibility problems with any particular
hardware, particularly IBM (desktops, notebooks) and Hewlett-Packard
(printers), that I should be aware of?
7. Our techies are encouraging the use of Linux, but admit that going
to Win2000 would probably make their jobs easier at this point. Their
concern is more "down the road" and getting tied into Microsoft. Are
these legitimate concerns?
8. Some members of our steering committee have suggested that moving to
Linux is okay because even if it doesn't work out for some reason, it
isn't a big deal to shift over to Win2000 later on. The reason is that
our application is written in JAVA which, theoretically, is OS
transparent. But I also have heard the Microsoft has its own version of
JAVA and I'm concerned about having to rewrite hundreds of lines of code
to work with MS if that is the ultimate result. Would it be that
difficult?
9. Are there other issues that I don't even know about or think about
that you think I should know before this decision is made? If so,
please tell me. If you have additional resources that you tick would be
valuable, please tell me. I've already tracked several other Linux
newsgroups and read several FAQ.
Finally, if you want to respond directly to me rather than posting to
the NG, my state email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And further, finally, if this is posted to the wrong NG, tell me what
the best one is for my answers.
Thank you in advance. I'm sorry for the length of this post but it is
very important to me to get the right answers.
Gary Carlson, Circuit Judge
Member: CCAP Steering Committee
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From: Jim Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apache Install
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:42:51 GMT
Hello,
I am installing Apache 1.3.14. After untaring the tar file and running
the ./configure command per the instructions, the installation exits
with this error:
[root@pc2 apache_1.3.14]# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache
Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.14
+ using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout)
Creating Makefile
Creating Configuration.apaci in src
./helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found
Creating Makefile in src
+ configured for Linux platform
+ setting C compiler to gcc
+ setting C pre-processor to gcc -E
+ checking for system header files
+ adding selected modules
+ checking sizeof various data types
+ doing sanity check on compiler and options
** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration
** failed. The below error output from the compilation
** test will give you an idea what is failing. Note that
** Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such as gcc.
======== Error Output for sanity check ========
============= End of Error Report =============
I cannot tell why it is failing. Any suggestions? Same thing happens
with version 1.3.13
Thanks,
Jim....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s. keeling)
Subject: Re: What is a system map, part 2?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:04:05 GMT
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:04:04 +0200, J.Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> /boot/System.map is a symbolic link to the appropriate map file. You can do
> this by hand, or in the case of recent RedHat releases, this link is updated
> at boot time by the following in rc.sysinit:
>
> if [ -L /boot/System.map -a -r /boot/System.map-`uname -r` ] ; then
> ln -s -f System.map-`uname -r` /boot/System.map
> fi
I know, I sound like an Amiga fan, but if you used Debian,
kernel-package would manage all this for you.
--
[email protected] (Stephen) TopQuark Software & Serv. Enquire within.
s/\.INVALID// Contract programmer, server bum.
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s. keeling)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:17:00 GMT
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:18:14 +0800, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8sdiin$o7m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > : Tell that to your boss when you hand in your report and it looks like
> > : crap, all because you used Linux and he, along with the rest of the
> > : world, is using Word.
> >
> >
> > Professional publishers have been using Unix for decades.
>
> Not any more.
>
> Unix is falling by the wayside... I remember once when someone said
> "professional CAD/CAM, PCB design software, etc. is a UNIX domain."
>
> Not any more.
>
> NT/2000 have basically taken up that slot.
Not on my machines. Not ever.
--
[email protected] (Stephen) TopQuark Software & Serv. Enquire within.
s/\.INVALID// Contract programmer, server bum.
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
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From: nuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:59:23 -0600
Gary Carlson wrote:
> I need help in making a decision whether our statewide (several hundred
> users spread out geographically over the entire state) should opt for a
> Linux OS or a Windows OS. I serve on the steering committee for the
> program. We currently use OS/2 as our OS, but intend to migrate off.
> The application software itself is being rewritten in JAVA.
>
> The application is question is the Wisconsin Circuit Court Automation
> Program (CCAP). Local users (for the most part, clerks of court,
> although also judges, registers in probate and others) input data on new
> case filings, court hearings, scheduling calendars, juror information,
> and dispositions. Interfaces with other agencies, such as the district
> attorneys, departments of revenue and transportation, etc., either exist
> or are in the planning stages for the transfer of data. Local data is
> transmitted on a hourly basis to the state capitol in Madison. The
> database is obviously huge. We maintain a website for access to a
> mirror site with the public data on a near statewide basis at
> http://ccap.courts.state.wi.us - the website is averaging 250,000 hits
> per day at last count.
>
> In addition to the CCAP programming, our users also need an office suite
> for word processing, spreadsheets, etc. Judges have software that
> enables them to have court reporters provide "realtime" translation of
> court proceedings to their notebooks. Email and internet access
> (Netscape) is available for all users. In local court offices, public
> terminals are made available free for users to access the local county
> database.
>
> Disclaimer:
>
> 1. Please don't let this thread degenerate into an "I hate windows" or
> "I hate linux" mentality. This is a real decision that will have to be
> made and I need real answers based on fact.
> 2. I am a circuit judge in Wisconsin; I am fairly competent on the
> computer but certainly not a programmer; please bear with any perceived
> ignorance on my part. I have read a fair amount of the posts on this NG
> already. If you have questions I can try to answer them.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Some of our users are worried about going to Linux. They fear a
> learning curve exaggerated by the fact that those who own home computers
> are most likely on WinXX and transference of skills will be minimal.
> What do you believe the average computer user (the ones who go to
> BestBuy or Gateway Country to buy a home computer) will experience in a
> shift to Linux?
>
If any of your users are 'power users' in Windows, they may find that some
of the keyboard shortcuts and whatnot that they may have used so much that
they are 'hard wired in' i.e. instinctive, will not work initially. Many
Linux apps are configurable enough that the keyboard mapping can be
re-arranged, though this will not be viable for the faint of heart. So
some initial loss in efficieny will probably result. On the flip side, any
of the users that are real power users will eventually warm to the ability
to use small tools to do big jobs by tying them together, and extending
what they used yesterday to accomplish what they need tomorrow .
2. They are also concerned that going to Linux will create a wall
> between them and other programs perceived to be beneficial that will
> only be available on WinXX. From the state's point of view, this may be
> good because we prohibit the downloading to or loading onto the state
> computers programs other than those provided. What has been your
> experience in the availability of new and exciting programs?
That is most definitely the case thus far. Many of the chintzy automagic
graphic scenes and cute little games that personnel install on their
computers or send via email will simply not work... yet. A plus is that
this makes one of the more common avenues for transmitting viruses, etc.
more difficult. Not completely impossible, but for the time being, close
enough to it. Most non-commercial programs on Linux come from authors who
set out to scratch a specific itch, not to cause hate and discontent.
>
>
> 3. Are there WinXX emulators that will allow us to use programs we
> already have, such as the court reporter software (CaseViewII by
> Stenograph) or legal research programs (WestLaw, LOIS), or will going to
> Linux require us to abandon those programs? How difficult are
> workarounds?
>
There is always WINE, a set of programs that allows you to run Win16 &
Win32 apps, w/ varying degrees of success. Some work flawlessly, some not
at all. As the software matures, it has become more of the former, less of
the latter, especially w/ good, well written programs. And another
alternative is VMWare, which allows you to run a complete virtual PC ( or
more than one) on another operating platform. I'm not sure if OS/2 is
supported, but Win98 is. The catch: it's commercial, and you have to also
have a licensed version of WinXX to install on the 'virtual' pc.
>
> 4. Is Linux stable enough to be able to handle a network of several
> hundred users, potentially over a thousand in a couple of years, spread
> out over hundreds of miles across Wisconsin (we have 72 counties, 69 of
> which are currently using all or part of CCAP)?
>
Check out the link below (hope it works). If Toyota USA thinks Linux is
ready to power their dealer infrastructure across the US, I think it can
handle your state legal system.
http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2000-10-24-002-01-AC-LF
Plus, Linux powers Cisco's global printer network, and one of the largest &
fastest search engines in the world, Google, runs on RedHat Linux.
Actually, just about any version of free *nix, like FreeBSD & Linux, are
getting more and more popular for running large widespread networks.
> 5. Is Linux, in the long run, really cost effective? Moving to Win2000
> would result in a financial hit to our program of $4.4 million
> "initially" and, of course, ties us to Microsoft. But is Linux really
> that robust that it is going to be around into the future, or are we
> just getting into another IBM OS/2 situation? (BTW, when we first went
> into OS/2 it was because we needed multitasking and Windows--at that
> stage--just didn't cut the mustard--but let's not talk about whether
> going to OS/2 initially was good, bad or ugly.)
>
Yes. Why? Because no one company controls it, therefore no one company
can squander it away. It should be around for some time to come.
> 6. Have there been Linux compatibility problems with any particular
> hardware, particularly IBM (desktops, notebooks) and Hewlett-Packard
> (printers), that I should be aware of?
>
IBM, and HP, as far as I know, have pretty good track records to date about
supporting Linux on their 'corporate' equipment. HP has some black marks,
as some of their SOHO equipment, specifically the HP72x series of inkjet
printers has a proprietary driver, but reverse-engineering has pretty much
circumvented that. The OfficeJet or whatever copy-scan-fax-print devices
are not well supported, either. But the 'big' stuff like LaserJet
printers, servers, scanners, and what not are pretty well taken care of.
> 7. Our techies are encouraging the use of Linux, but admit that going
> to Win2000 would probably make their jobs easier at this point. Their
> concern is more "down the road" and getting tied into Microsoft. Are
> these legitimate concerns?
>
Well, w/ the rumblings of some of the scarier software copyright laws, I
think some companies would like very much to get laws passed that would
enable them to make software that only works for a period of time, at which
point you are required to 'renew' your license, or they can remotely remove
the software from your machine(s). Some idiotic states have already gave
in and passed versions of laws that could be stretched this way. So, yes,
cutting ties to any commercial software company is good long range
planning.
>
> 8. Some members of our steering committee have suggested that moving to
> Linux is okay because even if it doesn't work out for some reason, it
> isn't a big deal to shift over to Win2000 later on. The reason is that
> our application is written in JAVA which, theoretically, is OS
> transparent. But I also have heard the Microsoft has its own version of
> JAVA and I'm concerned about having to rewrite hundreds of lines of code
> to work with MS if that is the ultimate result. Would it be that
> difficult?
>
Most likely. As with most things they touch/infect, M$ has expanded their
'extending' of protocols and languages to include JAVA, so M$ Java has some
proprietary 'extensions' and 'optimizations' that may well not work w/
other versions.
>
> 9. Are there other issues that I don't even know about or think about
> that you think I should know before this decision is made? If so,
> please tell me. If you have additional resources that you tick would be
> valuable, please tell me. I've already tracked several other Linux
> newsgroups and read several FAQ.
>
See the site below for more details
http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/
>
> Finally, if you want to respond directly to me rather than posting to
> the NG, my state email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> And further, finally, if this is posted to the wrong NG, tell me what
> the best one is for my answers.
>
> Thank you in advance. I'm sorry for the length of this post but it is
> very important to me to get the right answers.
>
> Gary Carlson, Circuit Judge
> Member: CCAP Steering Committee
Enjoy,
Monte
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