Linux-Misc Digest #169, Volume #21 Mon, 26 Jul 99 06:13:10 EDT
Contents:
POP Mail? (Lindoze 2000)
Re: spin down HDD (Lindoze 2000)
Remount CDROM (Axel =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=)
Re: Remount CDROM ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Remount CDROM (Juergen Pfann)
Re: Remount CDROM (Axel =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=)
Re: Encypted filesystems on /dev/loop (ryan)
Re: CIA assassinations (Michael Powe)
Re: CIA assassinations (Michael Powe)
Re: CIA assassinations (Michael Powe)
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From: Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: POP Mail?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:35:55 -0400
anyone know how to tell if POP mail is running ?
then how can I setup some pop client like netscape to read it.
I have only IP addys, no Public Domain names (no company.com)
How do you send someone email useing IP addresses?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] does not work.
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From: Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: spin down HDD
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:50:17 -0400
what about what J.Price said about crond jobs?
I found that it does something too.
but I got exhausted today finding out about it and what it does.
rather its important or not. I wanted to kill crond, but I was afraid
of potential damage to my system.
any clues?
Simon Hosie wrote:
>
> Lindoze 2000:
> > I use hdparm to spin down my HDD after 1/2 hr or so.
> > the problem is, it spins up again after 1/2 hr. then it spins back down.
> > has anyone had that problem?
> > why wont it stay asleep?
> > the system seems idle. no hdd activity detected.
>
> Look at /usr/doc/Linux-mini-HOWTOs/Battery-Powered.
>
> I used hdparm to power down one of my hard drives... later that night I
> thought my other hard drive had gone mental because I could hear it seeking
> every five seconds. I looked at the above document to see if I could shut
> it up and found why it was doing what it was doing. It turns out that
> /sbin/update was flushing the file buffers every five seconds, regardless of
> whether they needed it, and in response my hard drive was unparking and
> parking again.
>
> Anyway, the document suggested changing the delay to an hour, but I would
> have thought that that would cause the problem you're experiencing.
>
> It shouldn't be swap, anyway. My swap drive powers down, and I only hear
> from it again when I recompile a kernel or suchlike.
>
> I'd like to find a real solution to the problem so that both my hard drives
> can power down. I was thinking perhaps a couple of scripts that get called
> when the system becomes idle or non-idle, basically to do the job my BIOS
> would be doing if it worked properly (stupid $*(%^(#$)($&% AMI - never
> again!).
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From: Axel =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Remount CDROM
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:10:05 +0200
Hello,
I have removed a CD while the cdrom device was mounted (yes, I know, I
shouldn't have done it). Now when I try to remount the CDROM I get the
message " /dev/cdrom already mounted or /mnt/cdrom busy". What can I do
now? Any suggestions?
Axel
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Institut f�r Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik
Universit�t Karlsruhe
Forschungszentrum Umwelt (FZU) Geb. 50.40 Tel. 0721/608-7569
Adenauerring 20 Fax 0721/608-7492
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Remount CDROM
Date: 26 Jul 1999 08:55:09 GMT
Axel M?ller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have removed a CD while the cdrom device was mounted (yes, I know, I
> shouldn't have done it). Now when I try to remount the CDROM I get the
> message " /dev/cdrom already mounted or /mnt/cdrom busy". What can I do
> now? Any suggestions?
Did you do a "umount /mnt/cdrom" before remounting it again? That's kinda
strange actually. Normally the CD tray shouldn't open when the drive is
mounted. Perhaps that only works on some drives...
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From: Juergen Pfann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Remount CDROM
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:18:27 +0200
Hi !
Look for /etc/mtab and also for /etc/mtab~. These keep track for the
_actually_ mounted file systems, as opposed to /etc/fstab, which
defines standard mountpoints (so you can do e.g. mount /dos, and the
kernel gets information which device to mount and which fs type).
But back to mtab : If there's a /etc/mtab~, try to remove it and
you should be able to remount the CD. If still not possible, then
delete the line concerning the CD in /etc/mtab. You must do that
as root, and please consider this a "last resort", not the standard way
of doing !!
HTH
Juergen
Axel M�ller wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I have removed a CD while the cdrom device was mounted (yes, I know, I
> shouldn't have done it). Now when I try to remount the CDROM I get the
> message " /dev/cdrom already mounted or /mnt/cdrom busy". What can I do
> now? Any suggestions?
>
> Axel
> --
> Dipl.Phys. Axel M�ller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Institut f�r Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik
> Universit�t Karlsruhe
> Forschungszentrum Umwelt (FZU) Geb. 50.40 Tel. 0721/608-7569
> Adenauerring 20 Fax 0721/608-7492
> D-76131 Karlsruhe http://www-iwe.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de
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From: Axel =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Remount CDROM
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:36:10 +0200
Thank you for your advice. But it still doesn't work.
Umounting /mnt/cdrom is not possible ("/mnt/cdrom not mounted")!
I have also looked in /etc/mtab, but there is no entry for the cdrom.
And a file /etc/mtab~ doesn't exist.
Axel
Axel M�ller wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I have removed a CD while the cdrom device was mounted (yes, I know, I
> shouldn't have done it). Now when I try to remount the CDROM I get the
> message " /dev/cdrom already mounted or /mnt/cdrom busy". What can I do
> now? Any suggestions?
>
> Axel
> --
> Dipl.Phys. Axel M�ller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Institut f�r Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik
> Universit�t Karlsruhe
> Forschungszentrum Umwelt (FZU) Geb. 50.40 Tel. 0721/608-7569
> Adenauerring 20 Fax 0721/608-7492
> D-76131 Karlsruhe http://www-iwe.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de
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Dipl.Phys. Axel M�ller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Institut f�r Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik
Universit�t Karlsruhe
Forschungszentrum Umwelt (FZU) Geb. 50.40 Tel. 0721/608-7569
Adenauerring 20 Fax 0721/608-7492
D-76131 Karlsruhe http://www-iwe.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de
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From: ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Encypted filesystems on /dev/loop
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 05:26:04 -0400
Thanks for the help on /dev/loop. I think putting this with the other
mini-HOWTO's is a great idea. It's hard to find related documentation.
After digging into this again, I have a question. You say below that most
of the tools in 'MCONFIG' file for the 'util-linux2.9.t' package need to be
set to 'HAVE_ = yes' to avoid writing over authentacation tools. I
understand why that is important, however I am unclear on what tools are
nessacary from the util-linux package. Is this just to patch some older
utility for /dev/loop & encryption to work? Or is this to have a utility
that isn't normally there?
Also, I found and downloaded a newer version of util-linux,
'util-linux.2.9.v'. I could not find the corresponding patch that you
mention. Please clarify.
Thanks for your time and help on this.
Ryan T. Rhea
Marc Mutz wrote:
> 1.) des is broken in 2.2.10-i4 but don't use any patch before that (see
> FAQ in /usr/src/linux/Documentaion/cipher/ for why - hint: moving
> loopback files)
> 2.) I'm in the process of writing the corresponding mini-HOWTO. This is
> what I did to make a ~/crypto dir in my $HOME that I can mount and
> umount as I like:
>
> a) download patch
> b) patch kernel
> c) make config. The Options are scattered. Below 'networking options'
> there are some (which I did not use) and under 'block devices' are the
> really important ones: Loopback support and the one about'use rel. block
> numbers ... (RECOMMENDED)' (only avail. from 2.2.10-i4 up). Then select
> _one_ cipher under 'ciphers'. I used serpent, because i is (c)-free and
> has a help text stating that :-)
> d) make dep, ... like always, /sbin/lilo
> e) get sources of util-linux2.9.t (otr higher) from
> ftp.*.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/ (or similar), inflate and
> patch with the patch in the same dir as the FAQ. (version numbers
> mismatch irrelevant)
> READ file INSTALL, you can totally destroy your system!! Hence: edit
> file MCONFIG, such that no authentication tools (login, passwd, init,
> etc) are built (i.e. set most HAVE_* variables to 'yes'). Then do
> ./configure;make;make install
> f) reboot
> g) insert in /etc/fstab the following line:
> <loop-file> <mount-point> ext2 defaults,noauto,user,loop 0 0
> h) chmod a+wr /dev/loop*
> i) as user:
> dd if=/dev/zero of=<loop-file> bs=1k count=...
> /sbin/losetup -e serpent /dev/loop0 <loop-file>
> (give a passwd, be careful: only one chance, no 2nd check)
> mkdir <mount-point>; chmod go= -R <mount-point>
> (as root?) mke2fs /dev/loop0
> (you have now an encrypted fs in <loop-file>, now we gonna destroy the
> loopback device again, because mount will call losetup itself:)
> /sbin/losetup -d /dev/loop0
> mount <mount-point>
> <do things>
> umount <mount-point>
>
> Have fun!
>
> Remember that you cannot change the password once you set it in i), cmd
> 2.
> 100k is maybe too little, try 1M.
>
> Marc
>
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> Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://marc.mutz.com/
> University of Bielefeld, Dep. of Mathematics / Dep. of Physics
>
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 26 Jul 1999 02:10:22 -0700
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>>>>> "Michel" == Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michel> Michael Powe wrote:
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>> >>>>> "Michel" == Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michel> Arkadiusz Danilecki wrote:
>> >> An opportunity to make your life better is quite different
>> to >> born as rich... I mean my opinion is you make your money
>> >> yourself - everything is ok, but if you get money only
>> because >> you born in wealth family sth is unfair. It's not
>> ok that some >> ppl can't even dream about buying second car,
>> because they born >> in poor family and have no chances to
>> change his/her situation. >> So the state should do sth to
>> help poor's - even by taking >> money from the rich and giving
>> them to the poor.
Michel> What give the state the right to take money away from the
Michel> rich to give to the poor? It may be true that in some
>> What give the rich the right to take money away from the poor
>> and keep it?
Michel> You have no proof to that! This may be true in some
Michel> African countries but not here in the USA or in Canada or
Michel> Europe.
Ha ha ha. What a kidder.
Michel> For the record I am not born in a rich family. My father
Michel> had 14 children and we were very very poor. I worked hard
Michel> to pay for my college and university education, I had no
Michel> one to help me. I worked on tobacco farms in the summer,
Michel> worked night shift cleaning up floors and doing other
Michel> creasy jobs during the winter and still managed to get
Michel> good grades and am now a successfull electronic engineer.
Michel> So all that bullshit about the poors not being able to get
Michel> out of the shit I'm sure you know where I think you should
Michel> stick up to.
>> This does not prove that you were anything but a lucky
>> exception. Hard work does NOT guarantee success -- if you're
>> an honest man, you admit that. Most people work hard ALL THEIR
>> LIVES and never get anywhere. That's the cold hard reality.
Michel> Everyone in my family who chose to complete their college
Michel> education did very well. Even the ones who did not pursue
Michel> high education did fairly well for themselves and no one
Michel> ever had to live on public assistance. When you want to
Michel> work there is a job somewhere.
"Wanting to work" and getting a job do not guarantee success. You
completely ignored what I wrote.
Michel> After one of my young brothers got killed by a drunk
Michel> driver I dropped out of college and went to work as a
Michel> transient worker and always had something to eat. Life was
Michel> hard for that period of my life but I saved my pennies and
Michel> went back to college some 5 years later and I graduated in
Michel> engineering.
Michel> No it was not luck, at least not for me. It was hard work
Michel> all the way. And my wife comes for an even poorer
Michel> background, as the natives are the poorest people in this
Michel> country.
You're confused. Hard work + luck == success. To say that no one
ever gave you a break along the way is just foolish pride.
Michel> One thing about the USA is that anyone who put his mind to
Michel> it can succeed. Sometime it can be very very hard but it
This is not true and it's just arrogant for you to think so. By
claiming all the credit for your success, you show ingratitude toward
all the people who helped you along the way.
Michel> This country is the land of opportunities where everyone
Michel> has a chance to make it good. The catch is that you must
Michel> do it on your own and you can't expect the society or the
Michel> government to do it for you.
Right. So, you went to a private university -- one with no public
funding. And that was after you graduated from a private school --
one with no public funding. And you used no gov't-sponsored loans to
help you along the way. Well, that's a tough row to hoe.
mp
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Amount of all stock owned by the most wealthy 1% of America: 41%
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 26 Jul 1999 01:45:09 -0700
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>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jim> On 21 Jul 1999 22:23:25 -0700, Michael Powe, in the persona
Jim> of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, brought forth the following
Jim> words...:
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>>>>>>> "ATZ" == A T Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
ATZ> I think I don't understand this. What has it to do with Linux
ATZ> or NT?? Is Linux for the poor and NT for the rich, if so, why
ATZ> does Mercedes use Linux. Is Mercedes poor??
>>
ATZ> The government already takes money from the rich and give it
ATZ> to the poor, but thats not the solution. I know some people
ATZ> who are always complaining they don't have money. They are so
ATZ> busy complaining that they don't have time to work and make a
ATZ> decent living.
>> No, the ones doing most of the complaining make $60K a year,
>> spend $75K a year and whine about the `gummint' taking their
>> money. At least in the US, the rate of increase for consumer
>> indebtedness is far higher than the rate of increase for gov't
>> debt. The same people who criticize the `gummint' for
>> mismanaging funds are themselves incompetent in the same
>> matter.
Jim> Where did you get this little gem? cites?
Do you have any "cites" to the contrary? I offer in evidence, the
amount of whining that goes on in newsgroups ... there are no poor
people in evidence here, and yet there's plenty of whining about the
`gummint' taking their money. Currently, the US Congress is about to
pass yet another tax package for the bourgeois, the "marriage penalty"
tax break, the lying lizards are calling it. If you're not married,
you're already at a tax disadvantage -- and now, that disadvantage
will grow. Who does Congress represent -- the poor? Yeah, I had to
inject a little humour there. After the "Tax REform Act of 1986," my
taxes went up -- and the taxes went way down for people making $10K
per year more than I was making. Entirely predictable.
Pardon me if I don't have any sympathy for the tax whiners. I live on
what I make ... to judge from Time & Newsweek, and the blubbering in
newsgroups, it's not even considered an option any more.
mp
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 26 Jul 1999 01:31:19 -0700
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>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>>>> "Arkadiusz" == Arkadiusz Danilecki
>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Arkadiusz> An opportunity to make your life better is quite
Arkadiusz> different to born as rich... I mean my opinion is you
Arkadiusz> make your money yourself - everything is ok, but if you
Arkadiusz> get money only because you born in wealth family sth is
Arkadiusz> unfair. It's not ok that some ppl can't even dream
>> "Inherited wealth is a stinking fish." -- Andrew Carnegie, in
>> his time one of the wealthiest men in the world
Jim> of course, you know that he didn't inherit it, right?
Right. And his heirs sharply disagreed with his theory, too. ;-)
mp
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