Linux-Misc Digest #169, Volume #24 Sun, 16 Apr 00 17:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just wondering... (Bastian)
Re: how to disable console boot messages (Bastian)
Re: uninstaling corel linux (Prasanth Kumar)
Re: help installing hp laser jet 1100 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux hangs (Janet)
Re: IBM ThinkPad 390X 2626F0U (Jimmy Navarro)
Re: Q: migrate OS/2 to Linux ? (Karel Jansens)
Re: EIDE CD-RW kernel panic can't mount root ("Eugene")
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (abraxas)
Re: /dev file permission keep changing (DaveDiego)
User can't access zip disk? (Ken Yasuda)
Re: /dev file permission keep changing (Prasanth Kumar)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: Just wondering...
Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:25:32 GMT
On 16 Apr 2000 17:01:11 GMT, Robie Basak wrote:
>>Tried it, but didn't work ("another fetchmail job is running in foreground")
>>or something similar. I tried bg'ing them, but didn't work either.
>
>Hmm. The man page refers to ~/.fetchmail.pid as the lock file; try
>removing this before running fetchmail for a new server. Just make sure
>that you don't try to access the same server twice, and I think you
>should be alright.
>
>Robie.
>--
I guess I'm too stupid: I tried to kill the lockfile before a new fetchmail
is called, but then the following happened: the script terminated (no error),
but after I got back to my computer like two hours later, I happened to notice
that some tasks eat my entire CPU power (I have 2 cpus). It were several
fetchmail tasks... Of course I didn't receive the mail I was supposed to get.
Removing the lockfile doesn't seem to be the best idea....
Bastian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.x.general
Subject: Re: how to disable console boot messages
Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:25:35 GMT
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:16:47 GMT, Master Penguin wrote:
>
>
> How can I make sure that after booting LILO the screen
> stays blank until X is up? I do not want the typical
> boot messages to appear, which in this case give away
> information on how to break into my system.
>
I haven't heard of software doing this, sorry. Either you use some
hardware (timeswitch that prevents the monitor from being turned on for two
or three minutes after you switched on the computer) or you fix the
security hole, the latter of which certainly is the best choice. You
mustn't forget that a normal user can switch from X to a real console. From
there he could for example have a look at /var/log/messages. That's the
first thing I'd do, but I'm not a hacker or something!
Bastian
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From: Prasanth Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uninstaling corel linux
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:25:59 GMT
SaNaTiZeR wrote:
>
> how ?
>
> i have a duel boot win98 corel linux
> linux is installed on seperate hard drive.
>
> ne1 help please?
If you are asking for Corel Linux to be no longer booted,
do either "fdisk /mbr" in the Windows dos prompt OR
"lilo -u" in the Linux shell. After than, you should go
directly into Windows. Of course you will need to repartition
the Linux paritition if needed for other uses.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help installing hp laser jet 1100
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:20:47 GMT
If I remember correctly, the LaserJet 4/5/6 series
can speak either Postscript or PCL. I think that
the LaserJet 1100 is neither. Somewhere in the
book for it, there should be info on that.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Fell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to get a hp laser jet 1100 to work
with Red Hat 6.0, but
> with no luck so far. I used printtool to install
the printer (choosing
> hp laser jet 4/5/6 series).
>
> /etc/printtcap was edited, as expected. However,
nothing prints. Here is
> the output of lpc status:
> queuing is enabled
> printing is enabled
> no entries
> no daemon present
>
> I suppose the problem might be related to the
last two lines above.
> Here also are the contents of /etc/printcap
> ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL ljet4 600x600 letter {}
LaserJet4 Default {}
> lp:\
> :sd /var/spool/lpd/lp:\
> :mx#0:\
> :sh:\
> :\lp=/dev/lp0:\
> :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:
>
> Has anyone any suggestions? Thanks very much for
your help,
> Dick Fell
>
>
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up
Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:34:53 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : > [ptb wrote]
> : > Should one stop telling people to "read the instructions" on the grounds
> : > that they are not used to reading the instructions? (or perhaps in
> : > having instructions that can be read, as you seem to imply). One has to
> : > bootstrap oneself into a new o/s, and that's a matter of basic
> : > intelligence, as well as seeking out the instructions in order to read
> : > them. The first time I got a unix system, I executed every binary that
> : > was executable and that I could find, just to see what it did. Thus I
> : > discovered "man". No, I didn't read the instructions either. They came
> : > in two wall-shelves of bound printouts. "cd" was enough, plus the help
> : > output from most executables.
>
> : Arrogance is unbecoming, and you are displaying a fine example of
> : it to the world. We all have to start somewhere. The man pages
>
> I'm sorry? What's arrogant about the above? I'm pointing out that
> anyone has to bootstrap themselves up to speed. Do it your way, but
> do it! There's no royal road to knowledge. Learning is always up to
> you.
>
> : are excellent for someone with a wealth of background knowledge.
>
> They're excellent for anyone. I can personally testify that you don't
> need any klnowledge at all to use them. I didn't have any knowledge
> before I read them. Above I pointed out that I executed every binary
> on the system just to _find_ what later I knew as the man pages.
> man intro(1) I recall as particularly useful.
>
> : Newbies are trying to get that. Help them along with kindness.
> : They are your friends, not your rivals. After all, the intelligence
> : you insult today may build a progam you enjoy tomorrow...
>
> Where is intelligence being insulted? What are you on about? And people
> respond to challenge, not to being patronized!
Your learning style, being able to read and understand manuals, is
common to about 12% (NT) of the general population according to
Myers-Briggs. The three other learning styles are: learn by doing (SP),
learn by repetition (SJ), and learning through interaction with others (NF).
They compromise the other 88% of the general population. I suspect that
the general programming population is skewed slightly toward NT. But not
completely.
NT's, especially young ones, or ones who have chosen to shy away from
interaction with other folks, can be seen as arrogant. And they are,
until they realize that not everyone experiences the world as they do.
When you are offering help to the general public, you are dealing with
many types of personalities. Some (NF), are quite sensitive to personal
criticism, however well intended.
When you answer questions in this forum you are an ambassador not only
to Linux and open source, but also to yourself. Do you really want to
intentionally turn off another person? I doubt it. You did after all
offer useful help. Pointing out where and how to find answers is much
better received when not accompanied with "Now what was the mote in your
eye that prevented you doing or seeing that?" (which would be construed
by a sensitive person as an insult to their intelligence).
Just a thought ...
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From: Janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Linux hangs
Date: 16 Apr 2000 12:43:29 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My RedHat (6.1 and 6.2) Linux hangs, both in text mode and XWindow. It
> hangs in very unusual way, to restart computer I have to turn power
> off,
> reseting button did'nt restart, it just turn of display.
>
> Please help me?
I had a similar problem when I first installed linux, but compiling a new
kernel fixed it all up. You might want to try that if you have the time.
You can get the kernel sources at http://www.kernel.org, and there are
instructions inside the tarball.
Janet
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From: Jimmy Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IBM ThinkPad 390X 2626F0U
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:08:26 -0700
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You forgot to add the RTFM, or rather return that Thinkpad and get an iMac but
Linux is too technical. Replying read the Partition-HOWTO is may be just
approriate in your place..
Here's a thread of direct e-mail replied to me:
"I guess it depends on how you plan on using the machine and what the backup
scheme would be. You only really need to have / and swap as a minimum. But
creating , /, /root, /usr, /home, and now /opt can be very helpful. (I have
noticed that /opt is used for kde, and other local apps- could anyone explain
this? What does opt stand for? )
"I have noticed variations in this among distributions that now offer
auto-configuration of the partitions and file system mount points at install time.
Seems like all this may change too in the future as areas for httpd and ftp are
moved out of /home.
"I guess one general way would be to provide 50-60 mb for /root, then 1 gb for
/home, 1 gb for /usr, 128 mb for swap (as I understand it this would be the max
for swap under Linux), then 50 mb /tmp and 200 mb for /var (that leave some left
over I think!)
"There are more ideas from Eric Raymond's Installation HOWTO
http://www.linux.org/help/ldp/howto/Installation-HOWTO.html
"There he points to another source for info on partitioning-
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Partition.html
"Then another issue will be how what you will do to boot Win/Linux- I guess that
you could go with Lilo which handles these chores just fine ->
http://www.linux.org/help/ldp/mini/minihowto.html
"There are several docs there covering these issues. I know that there can be
problems with writing to the MBR with windows and Lilo and other limitations with
the boot sector being under the 1024 limit etc...
"I am sure that some of our esteemed colleagues will have some much better
information for you but hopefully this will give you
some start.
"And visit URL http://www.pathname.com/fhs and download the pdf. The original
(for reference) : http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.0/fhs-toc.html."
Again thank you very much for your 'read the Partition-HOWTO' reply. BTW, I'm
just getting to Linux after my last install of the first release of Red Hat 5.2.
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> Jimmy Navarro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Yeap right, read the HOW-TO or buy Linux for dummies, what else.
>
> I dunno. What are you trying to say? The Partition-HOWTO is directed
> exactly at your problem. It tells you exactly what you asked. My
> advice would not be any different from the advice given there.
>
> : "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> : > Jimmy Navarro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : > : I just bought a new IBM Thinkpad 390X 2626F0U with 64MB RAM 4.8GB HD
> : > : pre-partitioned into two, first partition has pre-loaded Windows 98.
> : > : Now I want Linux Red Hat 6.1 or Mandrake 7.0 in the 2.5 GB remaining
> : > : space. I tried simple install just configuring swap for 64MB and
> : > : install script would do the rest somehow never worked may be because I'm
> : > : so used to the text_based install not the GUI install. Anyone can
> : > : kindly give me their best suggested partitioning scheme manually like
> : > : 64MB for Swap, /root for how many MB, /var, /home /usr, etc...? I'd
> : > : like to allocate partitions manually. Thanks.
> : >
> : > Read the Partition-HOWTO.
>
> Peter
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Subject: Re: Q: migrate OS/2 to Linux ?
Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:34:11 GMT
Michael Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2000 12:44:32 GMT, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
> wrote:
>
> >I'm sure you are. There have been people searching desperately, even
> >threatening IBM-employess to death, for such a thing. Alas, it is not,
> >and from what I hear the differences under the hood between OS/2 and
> >Linux are just to big to make a simple port work.
>
> Yeah, the Workplace Shell used SOM, I believe, and with CORBA
> and COM/DCOM having displaced it, I believe IBM has cast the
> SOM/DSOM adrift. Last time I looked at their web site they were
> giving away the SOM/DSOM tools with no support.
>
"useD"????
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
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"Hi! I'm a signature virus.
Pls put me in yr sigline and help me spread."
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From: "Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,com.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: EIDE CD-RW kernel panic can't mount root
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:41:18 GMT
You probably disabled IDE HD support when you compiled the kernel. That is
not a good idea ;-)
Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Hi all,
>
> so I bought myself a nifty new toy: an E-IDE Yamaha CD-RW (I don't know
> which model, but I checked it, and it's supported).
>
> Following the cd-writing-howto and the README.ATAPI from xcdroast, I
> recompile the kernel with scsi-support and so on and try to reboot.
> But the kernel panics andtells me it can't mount root:
>
> request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted
> Can't mount root on 3 00
>
> or something like that.
>
> Is there anybody out there who can enlighten me or direct me to further
> reading?
>
> TIA,
>
> -Jan
>
> --
> Jan Schaumann
> http://jschauma-0.dsl.speakeasy.net
>
> Listen, you big, stupid space-creature. Nobody, but nobody, eats the
> Simpsons!
>
> -- Homer Simpson
> Treehouse of Horror
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: 16 Apr 2000 20:44:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On 10 Apr 2000 10:41:56 GMT, James Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >what M$ really need todo is almost scrap the whoel lot and start again
>> >and do it properly (they can afford to)
>> >
>>
>> They supposidly did w/ NT. The problem is that their architects are
>> morons.
> have you ever seen any of their code samples????
> Fucking GOTO's all over the place.
Have you looked at the source for the linux kernel?
Same thing.
Theyre fast.
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From: DaveDiego <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /dev file permission keep changing
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:49:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Can't tell you why the permissions are changed back, but the easy solution is to
: set the users in the audio group. This solved a similar problem for me.
: Hope that helps,
Yes it did, Thanks! :)
: On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:26:36 GMT, DaveDiego <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> When I'm logged into my Mandrake 6.0/ KDE 1.1 desktop the file permissions of
:>/dev/dsp /dev/audio and /dev/mixer get changed after someone else does a
:><ctrl>+<alt>+<F2>, leaving me logged in and then the second person logs in.
:>The second person then starts KDE.
:>
:>
:> Here is whats happening. While still logged in as myself, I logged
:>in as another user and started KDE. The first listing is before the logon,
:>the second listing is after KDE starts and the third listing is after the
:>user logs out.
: --
: Eggert Ehmke
: Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Yasuda)
Subject: User can't access zip disk?
Date: 16 Apr 2000 20:55:20 GMT
Hello fellow users,
I'm having problems allowing anybody on a user account to access
NTFS-formatted zip disks. I suspect this has something to do with the options I
put in /etc/fstab, because there's no physical/kernel module reason for it not to
happen.
The symptoms:
Root and user can access linux and dos-formatted zip disks.
Only root can access NTFS-formatted zip disks. When the user tries to change to
the directory of the NTRS-formatted disk, the following error message occurs:
cd: /dzip: Permission denied
The configuration details:
In /etc/fstab I have the line
(for linux-formatted disks)
/dev/sda1 /zip ext2 rw,user,noauto,exec
(for NTFS-formatted disks)
/dev/sda4 /dzip vfat rw,user,noauto,exec,umask=100
Also, when I do an "ls" from the root directory I see:
drw-rw-rw- 5 kyasuda users 16384 Jan 1 1970 dzip
Which means that the users (everybody) should have access to this disk drive!
My question is why not?
Many thanks!
(Please remove "nospam" to email.)
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From: Prasanth Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /dev file permission keep changing
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:00:21 GMT
DaveDiego wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : Can't tell you why the permissions are changed back, but the easy solution is to
> : set the users in the audio group. This solved a similar problem for me.
>
> : Hope that helps,
>
> Yes it did, Thanks! :)
>
> : On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:26:36 GMT, DaveDiego <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> :>
> :> When I'm logged into my Mandrake 6.0/ KDE 1.1 desktop the file permissions of
> :>/dev/dsp /dev/audio and /dev/mixer get changed after someone else does a
> :><ctrl>+<alt>+<F2>, leaving me logged in and then the second person logs in.
> :>The second person then starts KDE.
> :>
> :>
> :> Here is whats happening. While still logged in as myself, I logged
> :>in as another user and started KDE. The first listing is before the logon,
> :>the second listing is after KDE starts and the third listing is after the
> :>user logs out.
>
> : --
> : Eggert Ehmke
> : Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can tell you why those changes are happening. This feature was
originally
implemented by Redhat and later used by Mandrake. Basically, whoever is
physically
logged onto the console get ownership of certain devices since they are
the ones
to make best use of those devices on that system. This applies to stuff
like sound
devices and joysticks which don't have much security implications if one
has
physical access to the system.
The changes in permissions are controlled by the file
/etc/security/console.perm. If
you don't like the dynamic changes to permissions, just omit the
corresponding line
from that file.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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