Linux-Misc Digest #210, Volume #21 Thu, 29 Jul 99 14:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: HP false advertising!!!! (Darryl L. Pierce)
Re: CIA assassinations (Anthony Ord)
Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries (Ulrich Weigand)
Re: linux backup facility? (Leonard Evens)
Re: Need help Setting UP Wheeled mouse (Michael Wellman)
Re: Java 1.2 ("Christopher W. Aiken")
Re: help on gcc (Grant Edwards)
Re: Encoding MPEG video and sound? ("Jeff Volckaert")
Re: Incorrect amount of memory... (Leonard Evens)
Re: Eterm for Windows? (Stuart Houghton)
Re: missing ppp mystery continues? (Lew Pitcher)
Re: CIA assassinations (Phillip Lord)
Re: still having mouse prob (Paul Wilkins)
Re: Hey has the matrox g400 out yet??? (brian moore)
Enabling core dumps for setuid programs ("Randy Martin")
Re: starting KDE on Redhat 6 ("www.Boxing-Connection.com")
Re: What I think of linux. (Dragon)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darryl L. Pierce)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: HP false advertising!!!!
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:34:51 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:00:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R.
Fuller) wrote:
;Calm down and get a life.
That's easy to say when it wasn't _your_ money spent on the system...
Is mise le meas,
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| Darryl L. Pierce, Software Engineer @ IBM RTP |
| Resource Solutions, Int'l http://www.resourcesolutions.com/ |
| Voice: (919) 254-4583 Fax: (919) 543-7288 T/L: 444-4583 |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:14:08 GMT
On 27 Jul 1999 20:07:14 -0500, Michel Catudal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"A.T.Z." wrote:
>>
>> Within a year of 40/50 the US will be under EU supervision (like it was
>> before), because EU market and the Euro is much bigger and stronger then
>> the US market and the US $.
>
>A bit dreamer are you?
>Nothing better than real money, the US dollar.
Try the Japanese Yen. Hint: who finances your budget
deficit?
>> Or the US and Europe stay completely
>> independent as they are know. I don't have the gift of the second sight,
>> so the future is open to any change that might happen.
>>
>
>It's not a gift, it's something that happens when someone abuses
>certains substances.
If it's free, then it's a gift.
Regards
Anthony
--
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| And when our worlds |
| They fall apart |
| When the walls come tumbling in |
| Though we may deserve it |
| It will be worth it - Depeche Mode |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Weigand)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries
Date: 29 Jul 1999 16:35:31 +0200
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Also, I have not said the shared library paradigm that Linux has is bad,
>I simply said it is not a good model for distributing binary objects to
>a heterogenius installed base.
>I have called many times for the concept of a shared module in addition
>to shared libraries. Just think about being able to distribute a .so
>file that can be used on any version of Linux, by any application no
>mater what c library it is linked to.
Well, using explicit dlopen() calls without the RTLD_GLOBAL flag and/or
using versioned symbols you should be able to achieve an equivalent
effect under Linux ...
But if you really want this kind of independent objects, wouldn't a
real object model be more appropriate? Under Windows, you'd usually
use COM (or something on top of COM, like OLE or ActiveX). The corresponding
mechanism under Unix would be CORBA (which is more like DCOM, but that
shouldn't matter) ...
--
Ulrich Weigand,
IMMD 1, Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg,
Martensstr. 3, D-91058 Erlangen, Phone: +49 9131 85-7688
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Re: linux backup facility?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:58:15 -0500
David Freeman wrote:
>
> I recently had to re-install linux (redhat 6.0) on a blank disk.
> My original plan had been to generate a tape backup of the entire disk
> starting at / using tar, install linux from the cd distribution,
> and then untar the tape to recreate my configuration. This
> attempt failed. Tar stopped at the tape device in the /dev directory,
> and when I attempted to untar the tape ignoring the /dev
> directory, the restore left me with an unbootable system (even
> lilo stopped working). Clearly my backup strategy was not useful.
>
> On other unix systems (like SGI, IBM etc.) there is usually a
> backup and restore script. When restoring from such a script,
> a minimal system is read into the machine either from a floppy
> or a cd. The minimal system includes the restore script, which
> is able to reconstruct the disk to its situation at the time of
> the last backup. Windows also has such facilities. My question
> is: does such a backup/restore facility exist for linux?
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
In principle, you can do this with dump (and restore to restore).
I've tried dump to dump to a tape, and it appeared to work, but
I've never used it for regular backups, and I haven't actually
tried to use it for restoring a system. The way dump works,
you regularly do incremental dumps. Then if you have to restore,
you do a level zero restore followed by incremental restores.
When you are done, the file system is exactly as it was when
you last did an incremental dump. The problem is that you
can't restore to a running file system. I've done this several
times with Suns. What you have to do is run a ramdisk version
of the operating system, or as in the case of the Sun a version
put in the swap partition from a CD. That system would have
to have a restore command as well as other commands to partition
the disk, make a file system, etc. I don't believe the standard
rescue systems for Linux have the restore command. Also,
I have not been able to get the Linux dump (or presumably restore)
to work remotely. So one would have to have a local tape drive
and the ramdisk kernel would have to be able to recognize it.
I've also had occasion to rebuild Linux systems after a disk
died. We back up to tape using tar and do `incremental'
tars to disk on a remote machine. But we don't try to tar
the entire root file system, just crucial directories containing
local information, like /etc, /usr/local, /var/spool, ...,
and of course /home.
What I did was reinstall the operating system and then replace
the crucial files in /etc by the old ones from the tars. This
sounds tedious but if you keep records of what you did to
individualize your system, it is not that time consuming.
Even without records, it usually doesn't take that long,
and things you forget to do come to your attention pretty
quickly. It is about as much work as that involved in an
upgrade. There is also the question of which packages you
want to have installed. If you keep a record of what you
do have, if you should have to reconfigure, you can speed
this up by picking a default configuration, and them using
rpm to remove or add additional packages and to upgrade
any packages you had upgraded before. If you want to be
really systematic, you can keep a file of packages and
write a shell script which you can use to remove and
install packages as desired. But you might run into
problems with the order in which you did them.
In many cases, there is a new release of the OS, so you can
take this opportunity to upgrade instead of trying to reinstall
the old OS.
There are of course Linux backup systems which may automate
much of this. But you are always going to have the problem
that you can't fully restore your system while it is running
in one fell swoop.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Michael Wellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Need help Setting UP Wheeled mouse
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:01:36 GMT
I'm using a Kensington scroll mouse (3 button 1 wheel). There's a=20
page that tells how to set up X and wheel mice. I forgot what the=20
page was so you'll have to do a search.
You'll have to do two things though. First you'll have to have X=20
recognize the mouse and mapp all the buttons. Then you have to set up=20
the apps you use to respond properly to the mouse (via the .Xdefualts=20
file). Some app know how to use the wheel without using .Xdefualts=20
(Staroffice, Gnome apps, etc.).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 7/28/99, 3:30:08 PM, "Youngert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote=20
regarding Need help Setting UP Wheeled mouse:
> I am running SuSE-6.1 distro on my AMD K6-2 400 MHz with a=20
4D+Scrolling
> mouse. The mouse has 4 button and 2 wheels. Recently, I have=20
downloaded
> and compiled a copy of XFree86-3.3.4 and installed on my machine. I=20
set
> "ZAxisMapping X" to activate the wheels. It certainly moves the mouse=
> whenever I scroll either wheel. However, what I want is to be able to=
=20
use
> the wheel of the mouse to scroll the page up/down on any windows, not =
to
> move the mouse pointer. Does anyone know what do I need to do to make=
=20
the
> wheel to work as I want?
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> PS. Please remove 4 from the reply address should you decide to reply.=
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From: "Christopher W. Aiken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Java 1.2
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:24:22 -0400
Try: http://seanreilly.com/java/moneydance/getjava.html
...cwa
Steve Webb wrote:
> Id like to install Java 1.2 on my Linux Box (redhat 6.0). Does anyone
> know which is the best installation to go for and where to get it.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> --Steve Webb--0121 717 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
===================================================================
The box said 'WIN95/98 or better.' so I installed LINUX!
#!/bin/csh
unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; more ; umount ;
sleep
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From: grant@nowhere. (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: help on gcc
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:59:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan Andres wrote:
>In article <7nmons$l2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter.vanHelden wrote:
>| jievis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>| : Hi, All:
>| : When I try to compile a c files, I want gcc output a middle files in
>| : which the expression is computed and enumeration is also computed, the
>| : output files should be also .c format. So who can tell me the switcher?
>| : Thanx in advance
>|
>| man gcc?
>
>Or, maybe, info gcc. AFAIK, the man page is not maintained any more,
>and the info page is more complete anyway.
I hate info. I don't want to wander around some menu tree for
hours looking for something. I just want to search for strings!
Is there a way to convert a set of info files into a single
text file that can be searched?
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Wow! Look!! A stray
at meatball!! Let's interview
visi.com it!
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From: "Jeff Volckaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Encoding MPEG video and sound?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:57:45 -0400
I'm anxiously awaiting a positive reply here.... I tried a few weeks ago to
do AVI -> MPEG without any luck. I now use RealProducer under Win98 to make
Realvideo clips. Works great and they have a linux version. Too bad I
haven't had any luck getting it to run. Real networks has been very
responsive to email support though.
The nice thing with Realproducer is capture and encoding on-the-fly. No
more capture AVI and run back through an encoder.
Jeff Volckaert
Fredrik Gl�ckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have recently made a short animation. I used the Berkeley mpeg_encode
> to compress the video into MPEG format. As far as I could see, this
> encoder cannot make an MPEG video with sound.
>
> Are there any encoders available for Linux which can encode an MPEG
> video with sound?
>
> Fredrik
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Incorrect amount of memory...
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:08:50 -0500
Youngert wrote:
>
> Karl Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Morning all!!
> >
> > I've run into a weird problem and haven't been able to find a solution. I
> > recently built a machine with Mandrake (Venus). After some initial
> weirdness
> > with LILO, I got the system up and running with only 2 remaining major
> issues:
> >
> > 1) I cannot get the build to see more than 16MB of memory. I tried
> rebuilding
> > the kernel, but that didn't help. I don't see anything in the FAQs, Read
> Me's
> > or MAN pages about this. Suggestions and pointers to information would be
> > appreciated.
> >
>
> The only suspect that I have regarding this problem is the BIOS setup of
> your mobo. Some mobo has a switch for memory hole at 15MB at the BIOS
> setup. Make sure that theis switch it turned OFF.
>
> > 2) I cannot get the system time correct. The machine is set to GMT. I told
> it
> > this during the build, along with my time zone, but I'm always an hour
> ahead.
> > Am I missing soemthing obvious? Is this a problem in the build or kernel?
> >
>
> R U sure that you have used the right time zone?
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> PS. Please remove 4 from the reply address should you decide to reply.
This happened on a machine I set up for a couple using Windows 98
and Linux. The amusing thing was that the Linux user didn't really
notice the problem, but the Windows user was having real problems.
I assumed there was something wrong with the memory chip, but
when I spoke to the vendor, the tech immediately suggested looking
in the BIOS for the memory hole setting. I have no idea of how
that got set, but once I changed the setting, all was well.
This anecdote shows how well Linux functions. A not too demanding
user may never notice he is being cheated out of 128 - 16 MB,
but Windows becomes impossible to use.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Houghton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Eterm for Windows?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:59:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aureliano
Buendia) wrote:
>
>It so happened that I had to switch back to Win after some time spent in
>Linux, and I am realy missing those X-term apps with transparent
>backgrounds (Eterm, Wterm and the like). What is worse, I have developed
>a habit to work with a CLI...... :)
>
>Is there any alternative to the ugly DOS-box (DOS session) under Windows?
>Preferably with transparent backround and other customization features.
You could do worse than check out eConsole -
http://zeus.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~corion/econsole/index.html
It is still beta, works best under NT, and is obviously a monstrous kludge (no
offense to the author - I just appreciate the hoops he must've jumped through)
but it is currently your best bet. It supports transparency (to the desktop)
and bitmapped backgrounds and a couple of other nice features.
In a similar vein, if you *really* miss your X-coolness, you might want to
take a look at www.litestep.com and floach.pimpin.net for a look at Litestep -
a rather cool Afterstep clone for Win32. (There are other, similar projects
detailed on floach's site, including an - obviously insane - Enlightenment
port)
Stu.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: missing ppp mystery continues?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:07:42 GMT
/usr/sbin/ppp-on and /usr/sbin/ppp-off are shell scripts
1) is /usr/sbin in your path?
2) do /usr/sbin/ppp-on and /usr/sbin/ppp-off exist?
3) are /usr/sbin/ppp-on and /usr/sbin/ppp-off set to r-x permissions
(rwxr-xr-x)?
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:56:52 GMT, "Gordon D. Anderson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My new Linux installation seems to be working well and
>Netscape looks good, except that I have no way to dial out.
>
>On my Slackware computer, ppp support loads as a module. lsmod
>shows that ppp is available, yet the command ppp-on is not found.
>I have been using su before entering the command ppp-on. A
>directory search can't find the ppp command anywhere. The
>configuration file /etc/rc.d/rc.modules has the ppp modprobe
>enabled. Of course, I can't see what is actually in
>/sbin/modprobe.ppp .
>
>My bootscreen includes the following lines:
> modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10-135
> Updating module dependencies for Linux 2.0.30
> lp1 at 0X0378, (polling)
> ppp: version 2.20 (dynamic channel allocation)
> PPP Dynamic channel allocation Code copyright 1995 Caldera,Inc
> PPP line discipline registered.
>
>I don't know what the first line about modprobe means, but the
>rest seems to be saying that ppp is there. I have checked
>/etc/inittab to verify that the rc.inet files are being called
>and the init files in /etc/rc.d seem to be set correctly. So,
>I'm stumped. What should I try next? Thanks.
>
>Please reply by e-mail as well as posting. Newsgroup availabilty
>from this ISP is not very reliable. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant, Development Services
Toronto Dominion Bank
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employers')
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:38:56 +0100
>>>>> "MK" == MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> But what if both of them took for themselves freedom? Perhaps
>> this kind of life changing experience would change them both for
>> the better.
MK> Most certainly, I just don't see the way to make them to.
Well this is the point. You cant make them do it. It has
to come as a choice by the masses. Which doesnt mean that there isnt
any room for prodding them into activity. This has happened
before. The French still celebrate it 200 years on, it happened in
Russia, though it didnt last long, in Poland, Hungary. Revolution is
not a pretty thing, and not something that I would push for, but I
think in time it will happen again.
MK> OK, I live in Europe (in 2003 in EU). If it so much more better
MK> in Europe, why don't you swap your citizenship with some
MK> European? Why are you not moving to Europe if this is so much
MK> better. BTW, I definitely would like to move to US.
>>
>>
>> Believe it or not many people have an attachment to the land (not
>> the same thing as the nation) where they were born and they have
>> lived.
MK> If we _don't_ exploit it, many people will be practically forced
MK> to live and work elsewhere. One does not have moral duty to
MK> stay on the sinking ship.
Well this is a difficultly with socialism these days. Capital
unlike govts have gone global very very quickly. Ultimately therefore
socialism in one country I dont think is feasible nowadays, only a
watered down left leaning capitalism (contradiction in terms or
what). Im many ways its why I cease to have much faith in
parliamentary democracy. Direct action is getting rapidly to be the
last resort of democracy.
MK> I would not want to move out of my country permanently either,
MK> but if the disparities between Europe and US will continue, I'll
MK> try to move to US (though I would not want to move there
MK> permanently). I don't have whole life waiting till Europe
MK> reforms itself. Time is running.
If you decide to go to the US good luck there. I may even move
there myself. If I do I shall take my lfet wing, socialist (communist
if you like) views with me....
Phil
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From: Paul Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.install
Subject: Re: still having mouse prob
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:03:02 +1200
Philip V Pham wrote:
> I'm having a similar problem. Red Hat 6.0 doesn't
> automatically recognize my Logitech Serial Mouse
> during installation.
>
> I'm still working in this problem.
The most typical solutions have been
Two button - Microsoft
Three button - MouseSystems
Paul Wilkins
--
Proudly sent with Linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Hey has the matrox g400 out yet???
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:09:54 GMT
On 29 Jul 1999 08:12:06 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : My only complaint with Matrox is that they don't have "This is the best
> : supported card under Linux" stamped on their G200 web page.
>
> I thought that TNT/TNT2 based cards are the best supported ones under
> Linux, with 3D hardware acceleration and everything. Hell, G200 isn't
> even that well supported under Windows, evident with all the people
> bitching about the long-waited OpenGL ICD.
Not for 2D, they're not.
>From the XF86 README:
"This server is very well accelerated, and is one of the fastest
XFree86 X servers."
Not to mention things like the framebuffer support, which is pretty
slick.
Good 3D support is on its way, but like many things is held up and
confused somewhat by the current reorganization within X. (The GLX
code donated by SGI, Mesa, etc, are all being merged to do proper
network-transparent GL.)
XF86 4.0 looks like it's gonna be quite cool, especially on Matrox. :)
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: "Randy Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Enabling core dumps for setuid programs
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:08:29 -0400
Is there a way to enable core dumping for setuid programs? I know that it
is disabled by default
for security reasons, but i'm developing software on a test system and it
would be nice to
get core dumps for segmentation faults. I saw a blurb in the linux FAQ
about this, but it's not
clear on what exactly I need to change and how to rebuild the kernel.
Anyone know how to do
this?
Thanks,
Randy
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From: "www.Boxing-Connection.com" <@Boxing-Connection.com>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: starting KDE on Redhat 6
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:38:28 -0400
thanks alot everyone
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dragon)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:27:04 GMT
I'm not sure that it can't become mainstream!
I think people are interested and turned on by challenges.
We are all heading down the road to "star trek evolution".
My redneck friends at work in 1992 used to laugh at me
when I would tell them about the future and the fact that
they would own a computer one day.
Some were violent about it .
Nowdays it is common to walk up on them and they will be discussing
what news server they like to use! I even have them asking for help
with linux installations!
Bill Gates missed it too. In 1995 He thought only 40% of households
would ever have a computer in their home. He was wrong!
SOON Computers will be as common as TV's and telephones.
With such a market Linux will be a major choice! I don't believe it
will be the most used or it will defeat windows. I believe it will be
another great CHOICE. CHOICE is good.
Bill Gates is aware that windows will not hold it's market share
forever. He knows he must do what he can to keep that share high as
long as possible because of the enormous profits to be made.
He must pump the well dry.
Bill commented onetime "Competition! There is competition when a kid
from Finland can write an operating system post it to usenet and a few
years later it is a major player in the technology world."
As a CS you will love LINUX! Write some code for it!
Write a TK PPP program! You know a program that will
correctly write the scripts to connect to a dialup ISP.
The distros pppsetups are too complicated. PPP on linux is very
simple!
I use SUSE (lately) and I removed their suseppp. TOO complicated for
such a simple task!
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:30:51 -0800, DistressedCanadian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I tend to agree with the original poster. I am a computer
>scientist that is relatively new to the Linux world. I
>encounter problems everyday. Most involve things that
>would be simple tasks in windows.
>
>The fact that some things are made so easily in windows is
>also one of it's weaknesses however. I like Linux to use
>for programming and as a web server...
>
>But, for all of those people that think that Linux is the
>next generation, you are sadly mistaken. The majority of
>computer users are barely able to use Windows, let alone
>something as complex as Linux.
>
>As the second poster said, Linux was made by geeks for
>geeks, and unfortunately it will probably always remain
>so. I have to say that there is NO WAY Linux will ever
>become mainstream... simply because of the lack of computer
>savvy demonstrated by over 90% of PC users.
>
>
>
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