Linux-Misc Digest #257, Volume #21 Mon, 2 Aug 99 03:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Newbie in Houston (Jacque Colbert)
Re: Newbie in Houston (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: What I think of linux. (Richard Steiner)
Re: PCL > LaserJet, how? (Paul Kimoto)
Redhat 6.0/Epson 740 - Printer Won't! (root)
how to get c source from srpm on rh6.0? (Eric)
Re: Newbie in Houston ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: xv on Red Hat 6.0 (Silviu Minut)
Java ichat & netscape (Brian Springstead)
Re: GNOME & E (Stoney)
Re: emacs and global fonts option (Paul Kimoto)
Re: What I think of linux. (Paul Anderson)
Re: Newbie in Houston (Jacque Colbert)
Re: Unix2dos (Dave Brown)
Re: Newbie in Houston (Albert Ulmer)
Re: Linux has finally crashed (bilge)
Re: in response (Ray)
xview in RedHat 6.0 ("H.T. Sun")
Re: GDP (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: how to install c code source? (Alan Curry)
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From: Jacque Colbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie in Houston
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:33:17 GMT
Thanks for the fast repsonse!
> The installation will probably set it up automagically. RH does for sure;
> I can't speak for the others you mentioned.
>
> *However*, have you stopped to consider the implications of using a
> dual-boot system for a Web server? The site will only be available when
> you boot to the OS running the server software. If you want 24x7
> availability for your site, you need to choose one or the other and leave
> it running all the time.
True, true, true. But, I was thinking, for peace of mind, I could tell my
friend that he wouldn't lose any old data or anything. If, like you say, most
installations take care of this, then I guess I don't have a problem.
By the way - I noticed you're from Austin. Do you know of a Linux Users group
in Houston? (I'm new here) Unless I'm mistaken Austin is the bigger town for
computer stuff, but I figure there might be a little in Houston too. If here
isn't, maybe I'll start one - or at least a mailing list for Houston Linux
people.
- Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie in Houston
Date: 2 Aug 1999 01:01:44 -0400
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:04:24 GMT, Jacque Colbert wrote:
>fun. He's got a Pentium MMX 200 running Win 98, and the plan is to make
>it dual boot with some version of Linux.
Web servers don't dual boot. In fact they shouldn't even reboot unless
there's a power outage or kernel/hardware upgrade.
>My first question, of course, is that I'm going to need help picking a
>distribution and installing it. It seems that RedHat is the most popular
>install,
Caldera comes with PM that makes it easier to install if you already
have Win98 on there ( ie you don't need to re-install Win98 ).
However, I still think dual boot is a silly idea on a server.
> but Slackware is the best suited for beginners. Also,
Slackware is the suited to people who are either very interested
in getting under the hood or people with too much time on their
hands. I'd argue that you can still get under the hood with RH.
>configuring a PC so it can boot either Win98 or Linux certainly seems
>possible, but I can't find just how to do so.
Run Dos FDISK, make a Win98 partition the right size, and leave the
rest of the disk unpartitioed. Reinstall Win98 , then install linux.
Or with Caldera, you can use the included PM to resize your Win98
partition, then install linux.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:22:52 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>I'm 44 and although I'm not a computer professional by any
>means (no formal "computer" classes at all despite a couple
>college degrees) my first exposure to computers was in Math
>in my senior year of high school (1972) when we learned some
>Fortran programming.
Wow, where did all these old people come from. :-) :-)
I'm 36, and I first encountered computers back when I was in junior high
(spring of 1978 or so??). I was exposed to the Apple II quite a bit at
that time because our school district was relatively wealthy and had
purchased a lot of them for school use, and when I was in high school I
had access to multiple CDC Cyber systems via a pair of 10cps TTY-33's
and a pair of old accoustic modems, mainly the MERITSS system at the
University of Minnesota and MTS (MECC Timesharing System), as well as a
few dozen Apple IIs, and I got the chance to learn Apple Integer BASIC
and Applesoft BASIC as well as MNF (a fairly nice U of Minn Fortran
Variant) and smatterings of 6502 assembler before I went to college.
I kinda regret not being more interested in programming then, but that
changed when I went to college. :-)
For the first two quarters I was in college getting my BSCS I got to
use 120cps Decwriters to get at the CDC systems (heaven compared to the
old TTY-33's), and I learned to use IBM keypunches to punch card decks
which were read by the 1004 cardreader/printers and then executed on
the Sperry 1100/82 mainframe on which we took most of our programming
courses. As time went on, they installed a few nice VAXen to act as
front-ends for the new Sperry 1100/91 mainframe, so I learned how to
use first SOS and then EDT for doing online source editing, and I also
learned a little about VAX Fortran in addition to the old 1100-series
Fortran we were using for class assignments. The last couple of years
I was there we had a few IBM PCs running DOS, and also had Macs in the
basement of the library for doing publishing work.
Strangely enough, I had no exposure to Unix or C at all in college. We
did most of our work in OS1100 or VMS, and the main languages we used
were Fortran and Pascal with bits of 1100 or PC assembler thrown in.
> How many users used a computer with Windows for their "virgin" computer
> experience?
My first home PC was a Dell 286/20 with 1MB of RAM and a 40MB hard disk
(and one of these AWESOME Zenith FTM-1490 flat-screen monitors!) running
MS-DOS 3.3 and Windows/286 2.1, and that was the first time I spent any
extensive time on an Intel PC. I'd played with Macs before and also
with IBM's PC-DOS, since a roomie of mine had an IBM PC courtesy of his
father (who worked at IBM), but Windows was completely new to me.
Windows 2.1 was a toy, really, though some of its applacations were
nice. Windows 3.0 get a little bit better, and I was a somewhat more
serious Windows user when 3.1 came out, and I remember using various
desktop replacements like Aporia and WinTools under Windows 3.1, hoping
to find something that was comfortable than Program Manager and File
Manager for doing day-to-day stuff.
I first ran into people talking about OS/2 2.0 on Dennis McCunney's
RIME "Software Reviews" conferense in 1992, and when I purchased my
486/33 in that summer, I loaded OS/2 2.0 on my box, and it was love at
first sight. There were some rough edges, certainly, but it was *SO*
elegant compared to Windows 3.1 that I didn't care, and when OS/2 2.1
came out in the spring of 1993 I moved to OS/2 exclusively at home.
Linux I first learned about from people on RIME in the fall of 1992.
The first distribution I dared try to install myself was a version of
SLS Linux (SLS 0.98.1) based on the Linux 0.98 kernel (FWIW, I still
have SLS .99p6 here which is based on the 0.99pl6-26 Linux kernel, and
you can find a copy on Exec-PC if you have access to that BBS, but I
had installed that one later on in 1993 sometime).
The first one I spent any real time in was SLS 1.01 in 1993, but I
didn't do anything "serious" with it because X wasn't all that happy
with my Diamond Stealth. So I stuck with OS/2 almost exclusively until
the spring of 1997, when I grabbed Slackware 3.2, and after playing
with it and then later with Red Hat 4.2 I decided that Linux was a
piece of software that could be extremely useful for me. And it was
a lot of fun to learn about this Unix thing. :-)
Now I use OS/2 most of the time on this PC at home, Linux (Red Hat 5.1)
on a second, bounce between BeOS 4.5 and NT 4 on the third, and use
Linux on my gateway (IP Masq) box. I think Linux is wonderful!
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
+ VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
Shhhh! Listen to the bitstreams...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: PCL > LaserJet, how?
Date: 2 Aug 1999 00:59:27 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7o2r3j$8k6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin Brown wrote:
> I've been struggling with trying to send PCL commands to my LaserJet 4L
> printer. I have the manual which lists the commands, but have been unable
> to get them to work from either the commandline of a "text" file.
Do you know about the program
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/printing/free-lj4-1.1p1.tar.gz ?
Perhaps it can help you.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redhat 6.0/Epson 740 - Printer Won't!
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:17:18 +0200
I've recently installed Redhat 6.0 and have been trying to connect my Epson 740
printer.
I have downloaded and installed Ghostscript 5.50 and also the modified
database and uniprinter database/driver files provided at lcewww.et.tudeltt.nl.
I can setup the printer using printtool but when I test it nothing happens.
Looking in the var/spool/lpd/lp folder I find a "lock" file and sometimes
there is a also a lock file in var/spool/lpd.
I have tried printing directly using lpd but still no luck.
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.rpm,comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: how to get c source from srpm on rh6.0?
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:15:30 -0800
Dear RPM expert:
When I follow the instruction on
rpm -bp packagename-n.nn.spec
RPM unpacks the source into /usr/src/redhat//BUILD/packagename-n.nn
and applies any patches listed int he spec file.
at redhat's web site
/corp/support/manual/RHL-5.2-Manual/install-guide/.manual/doc119.html
I actually get file.so.n.nn in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
directory
it seem is a shared library's execution binary ratheran directory of c
source.
How should I get source of these .so. library 's c or any other
language source code from here?
thanks your tech help in advance
eric
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /* if convience please email me as well as post
out to newsgroup */
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie in Houston
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:50:52 -0500
Jacque Colbert wrote:
> By the way - I noticed you're from Austin. Do you know of a Linux Users group
> in Houston?
Try google, Alta Vista, dejanews, etc.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xv on Red Hat 6.0
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:40:59 -0400
You can download xv from rufus.w3.org, for instance, or perhaps any linux site. I
have xv-3.10a-13 and works fine.
There is also xloadimage, but I'm not using it much and I don't know if it is as
versatile as xv.
GatonSon wrote:
> Does anyone know why Redhat dropped xv from Red Hat 6.0? I want to have xv to
> load the root window with a picture instead of a solid color with xsetroot.
>
> Or, is there a new alternative in Red Hat 6.0 which could serve the same
> purpose?
>
> Thanks very much for any information you may have.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Springstead)
Subject: Java ichat & netscape
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:57:29 GMT
Has anyone gotten the ichat java chat client to work with linux and netscape?
I have jdk1.1.7 installed and working. I know it's working because the
ICQ java uses it and it works fine. I have a feeling I need to change
the helper aplications but I'm not sure what setting I need. This is the
ONLY reason I boot into 95 so I'd love to figure this out and ditch 95
altogether.
System info:
Redhat 5.1
Netscape 4.04/Export, 09-Dec-97; (c) 1995-1997 Netscape Communications Corp.
jdk1.1.7
Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Brian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Stoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME & E
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:09:08 -0400
Ken Corbin wrote:
>
> Clicking on the task window from the Gnome pager is supposed to raise a
> background Window to Foreground. It fails to do so in the version of
> Gnome/Enlightenment shipped with Redhat 6.0, which is why everyone is having
> problems with it. Upgrading to a newer version fixed that particular
> probelem.
Hi, Ken,
What did you upgrade? I installed gnome-core-1.0.7-1 and still have the
same behavior. After having Windows and OS/2 for years, I find this
bug very annoying. I'm used to raising windows and immediately starting
typing. I'm usually 50 characters into it before I notice that
nothing's appearing. Where, I wonder, do all these keystrokes go to?
(/dev/null?)
Stoney
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: emacs and global fonts option
Date: 2 Aug 1999 02:00:29 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ramin Sina wrote:
> How can I make emacs to open with global fonts lock option checked as
> default ?
It should work to put
(global-font-lock-mode t)
in your ~/.emacs file. You should read the documentation
("C-h i m emacs RET m font lock RET") or the beginning of
the file "font-lock.el".
You may also be able to do it using the (new-fangled) customization scheme:
try running "M-x customize".
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 2 Aug 1999 01:12:31 -0400
The Third Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think
>MacOS, or something like it, is what "normal" people need.
>
Have you had a chance to check out MacOS X? Talk about UNIX for the masses...
>But if I needed a new computer to do simple things like
>surf the internet and read e-mail and word process (and had the money), I'd
>get an iMac, because it seems to me that that is where mass-market
>computers should be -- computers are becoming an appliance, and they should
>be as easy to use as a toaster.
>
Ah, but a toaster doesn't have 50 million functioning parts! Would you
replace all the control rooms and experienced operators in a nuclear power
plant with two buttons, one labeled STOP another labeled GO? Of course not!
What if something goes wrong? Something as complex as a nuclear reactor can
always have something unexpected happen, same goes for computers. A toaster
is an EXTREMELY simple device, far more simple than computers.
I'm sorry, but the plebians are just going to have to pull themselves out of
the muck and learn to use the machine and be exposed to inner function or they
will repeatedly, consistantly and unstoppably shoot themselves in the foot.
Idiot proof equipment brings out the idiot in the operator.
>>There are a lot of 8 year old's now that are more computer literate than
>>some
>>50 year olds. My son included.
>>
>But computer literacy is relative. There's the top level, like I'm sure a
>lot of kids can use their favorite games and do word processing and surf
>the net all by theirselves (my little sister, for example). But could they
>configure a dial-up connection, install a hard drive, resolve hardware
>conflicts?
>
Your little sister has the intellectual capacity to grasp trigonometry,
quantum mechanics and calculus(if schooled in the intermediary information,
there is no reason why children the age of 10 have no concept of calculus
beyond the fact that our culture revolves around stupidity and prejudice
against age, so no one tries to teach children such things) - then why do you
think she wouldn't be able to handle the comparatively rudementary task of
installing a hard-drive?
>Like I said. They want computer=toaster and something like the Mac, though
>not perfect (not even close!) is the direction that is headed in.
>
Sure, that's what they WANT. They also want to eat everything in sight and
remain thin, they want everybody to conform to their view of the way things
should be, they want no government, they want cocaine, they want morphine,
they want marajuana, they want to be able to live a debauched lifestyle with
no consequences. Just because a person wants something, does that mean that
it can and/or should be given to them?
>Microsloth may write
>crappy stuff, but they aren't stupid, and people are too complacent to do
>anything about it.
>
Well, historically, Microsoft isn't nearly as smart as a lot of people think
they are, nor is Bill Gates as smart as most think he is. Linux has one big
advantage: the hacker mentality. When you start using Linux, and become more
experienced in it you become either affected by or a part of the hacker
community. The hacker community is unpolished, revels in solving problems and
discovering new, interesting ideas, and hacker humour is also sometimes quite
goofy and very funny, with a strong mix of folklore and a rich history.
Outside of this, in the Wintel world, everything is driven by the marketroids.
They generate new, senseless words to make stuff sell better(am I the only one
that's noticed the similarity between a "thin client" and a dumb terminal? am
I the only one for whom switches and bridges sound very similar?), they come
up with totally useless features and systems. They have no idea what the
internet is like. Then you have the pundits, spouting VoIP, VRML, Internet2,
vertical markets, etc. They have no idea what the net is like, they have no
sense of practicality. I mean, internet2? Come one! That's a pipe dream and
everybody knows it, the day the internet2 is built is the day the state of new
york elects a pheasant for governor! The day VRML becomes a widely used
technology is the day the Natural Law Party gets a man in as prime minister of
canada! (For the uninitiated, the Natural Law Party proposes to fix all of
canada's woes through the widespread implementation of transcendental
meditation)
The computer industry these days is so polished it makes me want to vomit at
times. TTYL!
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From: Jacque Colbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie in Houston
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 05:39:13 GMT
> Caldera comes with PM that makes it easier to install if you already
> have Win98 on there ( ie you don't need to re-install Win98 ).
> However, I still think dual boot is a silly idea on a server.
It would be silly in most cases. However, I think it makes sense if you're
talking about a guy who has one machine, who's willing to give Linux a shot
for web serving (or whatever), and, if it works out, he's willing to spend
some money to buy a dedicated machine, and switch the temporary server back
to a little ol' Win 98 machine.
> Slackware is the suited to people who are either very interested
> in getting under the hood or people with too much time on their
> hands. I'd argue that you can still get under the hood with RH.
Interesting - I had heard Slackware was the easiest but only like 3rd and 4th
hand. I'm happy for the info, as I really don't want to screw around too
much.
> Or with Caldera, you can use the included PM to resize your Win98
> partition, then install linux.
this sounds like the way to go. I'll check out Caldera.
Thanks Donovan!
- Chris
>
>
> --
> Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: Unix2dos
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1 Aug 99 17:58:38 GMT
In article <7nvnpf$1au$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Galloway wrote:
>Does anyone out there know of an easy way to convert
>linux text files to dos text files?...that is, replace the newlines
>with ctrl-M followed by newlines (I think that is the correct format).
Use:
sed 's/$/^M/' unixfile > dosfile
The "^M", (control-M),
character is the unix representation of the "\r"
(carriage return) character, which the shell interprets as
a comman-line terminator; (unfortunately, sed doesn't
recognize "\r"). To keep the shell from prematurely
terminating the command-line when you type ^M, you have to
precede it with a "^V" (control-V).
---
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: Albert Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie in Houston
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 05:52:17 GMT
> > Slackware is the suited to people who are either very interested
> > in getting under the hood or people with too much time on their
> > hands. I'd argue that you can still get under the hood with RH.
> Interesting - I had heard Slackware was the easiest but only like 3rd =
and 4th
> hand. I'm happy for the info, as I really don't want to screw around=20
too
> much.
In that case I can really recommend SuSE 6.1 (6.2 coming soon), which=20
is really good for beginners and hassle-free setup. It is one of the=20
few distros where almost everything works right out of the box, with=20
only little adjustments necessary.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bilge)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: 2 Aug 1999 06:17:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Randall Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] blared:
>
>I gotta tell you, there are non-Unix operating systems that can have
>power removed from them without warning that will _rarely_ corrupt the
>file system as a result.
>
True. When acad use to lock up dos every 30 minutes or so,
rebooting never produced an error message about a corrupted
file. The file containing the drawing that was open was usually
destroyed by the lockup prior to rebooting. The file system
under dos did occasionally become corrupt spontaneously if
the norton utilities are to be believed. You might also
consider VMS. For a mere $4000-5000 dollars and the price
of an alpha or old vax, you can get some added protection.
It's a bit cumbersome to use and requires standing on your
head to perform a simple redirect to a file, but hey, it
comes with extensive documentation in notebooks and best
of all, DECNet. LAT may even be included. For a few dollars
more, you can get tcp/ip.
A more reasonable choice might be plan9/inferno, but I dont
have enough experience with those to be certain.
>Can one run a different file system with Linux on some disk volumes that
>would be less susceptible to this sort of thing? I'd like to be assured
>that, say, a database or its transaction log would always survive an OS
>crash.
>
>From what I've read here and elsewhere Linux and Unix are far more
>susceptible to irreparable disk corruption on OS crash than OS/2, NT,
>Win9x, MacOS, and other OSs.
>
On this planet? really?
>of them rebooted when power came back on. 3 had to be restored from tape.
>That is a terrible record.
>
Yes. It reflects badly on the person that set it up. They
wouldn't fare much better regardless of the os though.
>My experience with OS/2 is that it would run CHKDSK on the reboot and
>then boot up just fine. I never had the need to boot from a floppy in
>order to run some utility from the floppy. Most of the disk partitions
>would be repairable during regular reboot.
>
The only irrepairable file system corruption I've had in
running linux since 1994 (kernel 1.1.59) is from a hard
drive that had physical media errors.
>I don't want to install Linux at some site and then get a call to drive
>100 miles in the middle of the night because it couldn't reboot after a
>power outage. Any way to decrease the likelihood of having to do this
>sort of thing after a crash and reboot?
>
You might consider dos then. No one running it will lose
any sleep over a reboot.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: in response
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:02:08 GMT
On 2 Aug 1999 03:52:42 GMT, Daniel Forester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Larry Clark was talking... AGAIN...
>: the ICQ clients I have had the most luck with but still haven't been able
>: to get to work are :
>: micq
>: xicq
>: zicq
>
>: close but no cigar...can' anyone help me,
>: thanks larry
>
>I had tried installing various versions of licq (http://licq.wibble.net/),
>but was unsuccessful in the install... turns out I didn't have the QT
>includes... installed the QT-devel package (via rpm), and got ANOTHER
>version of licq, klicq, and it installed just fine.
I think this version, klicq, applies only if you're running KDE,
right? Linuxberg gives it (and it's "parent", licq) five gold Tuxes.
But, I've been hearing in this newsgroup that it's buggy. Are there
better ICQ clients? Or do they all have their own problems?
Ray
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From: "H.T. Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: xview in RedHat 6.0
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 05:56:45 +0000
Hi,
I have installed RedHat 6.0 on my pc, I must have unchecked the xview
package
during the installation. I tried to look for any rpm package that
says "xv***.i386.rpm"
but couldn't find any.
Could somebody shed some light as to what rpm package do I need for
xview installation ?
Thanks
HT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GDP
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 05:55:00 GMT
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:56:26 GMT, witra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) wrote:
>>You'll probably want to switch to the Genuine Progress Indicator. The
>>GDP measures toxic waste cleanup as a positive. If you produce pollution
>>then pay to clean it up, you've gained in GDP, whereas if you count the
>>wealth generated from coal and *subtract* the cost of cleaning the
>>pollution generated by that industry you learn that the entire industry
>>is actually sucking wealth from the larger economy.
>
>GDP measures economic activity.
>
>Take an extreme example. A sells a million tons of coal to B who then
>sells it to C at the same price, then C sells to D and so on, with the
>coal eventually ending up back with A. There is a lot of economic
>activity and the GDP goes up. But of course nothing is really
>happening. No coal is being mined or used, in fact it doesn't even
>need to move.
>
>When the government encourages trade, sometimes this is what happens.
>Many more middlemen gets into the supply chain but they do not really
>add any value.
This, of course, is another reason why GDP is a measurement that isn't
of much value.
I suspect that the economists charged with GDP measurements have
*some* intent to reduce the double-counting; it's not a trivial task,
however.
Interestingly enough, a VAT/GST-based taxation system provides ways of
getting vastly better estimates of GDP. The GST is only collected on
the net increase in valuation that results from any given "layer" of
middlecritters.
--> It is not in the middlecritters' interests to have the amounts
double-counted, as this Costs Them Money.
--> If a particular good passes through 5 middlecritters, and only has
the price inflated by 10% in that process (a vastly unlikely
outcome, I must admit), GST is only assessed, to those "layers,"
amounting to 7% of the 10% increase.
Net result is that if you estimate GDP via the ratio
GDP = (GST Collected) / (GST rate of 7%)
you'll get a decent estimate of GDP that is *not* biased by having
"thick layers of middlecritters."
Possibly not a good reason to adopt a GST/VAT, but an interesting
outcome all the same...
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Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: how to install c code source?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Curry)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:54:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson wrote:
> So where is the source of string function , I.e. strtok_r()or printf() ? /*
>exist .c code ?*/
In glibc
> you know Linux or even Unix kernel was writeen by C program, but I almost no see
>(very few) file.c in Redhat 6.0, why?
Because you aren't looking in the right place
>and
> how to get source code of
> (g)libc.src.rpm?
rpm -i glibc-*.src.rpm
cd /usr/src/redhat
rpm -bp SPECS/glibc*.spec
cd BUILD/glibc-*
behold, you are in the glibc source.
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