Linux-Misc Digest #257, Volume #26 Tue, 7 Nov 00 12:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Looking for LyX-like spreadsheet (Edwin Johnson)
Re: How to set proxy server for lynx ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Xconfigurator questions (Michael Mitchell)
Re: hda problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Looking for LyX-like spreadsheet ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Trying to download symbolic links. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: permission for ntfs... (Rod Smith)
Re: network slow in linux, fast in win...
Colour (Hallam Holder)
KDE2 (JCA)
Re: NFS export problem with netgroup (Joerg Morbitzer)
Re: hda problems (Stephen Charlton)
Re: two peices of legislation i would like to see (NAVARRO LOPEZ,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel)
Re: Mod_Perl on RH7 fails to make test ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Program delay ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Updates Phonax.com Unix Howto's (Raymond Doetjes)
kde2 on RH 6.2 (Ramin Sina)
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: network slow in linux, fast in win... (Matt Warnock)
Re: boot problems after moving HD (Lori Holder-Webb)
Gnome mime configuration not working..... (Belldandy)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Looking for LyX-like spreadsheet
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7 Nov 2000 14:08:57 GMT
Although not graphical, look at mc for it saves to an ASCII flat file.
...Edwin
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:36:52 +0100, Morten Skaarup Jensen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm looking for a spreadsheet that saves its complete output in an ASCII
>file. A program like LyX is a brilliant example of the kind of functionality
>I like. It has a powerful graphical user interface, but if ever I want to
>edit the file
>directly (simply because this would involve less keystrokes & mouse clicks)
>then I'm free to do so at my own risk. Another advantage of saving as an
>ASCII file is that it works better with CVS (e.g. I can diff two versions).
>
>I hope you can help
>
>Morten
>
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to set proxy server for lynx
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:15:26 GMT
"Y W Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Any one know that how to set proxy for lynx since I would like to use it in
> my office's intranet.
Set the environment variable http_proxy.
Supposing the proxy is named "cache.myorg.org", and the proxy port is 3128,
then you might set it in one of the following two ways:
a) In csh-based shells:
setenv http_proxy http://cache.myorg.org:3128/
b) In descendants of Bourne Shell
export http_proxy=http://cache.myorg.org:3128/
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Rules of the Evil Overlord #90. "I will not design my Main Control
Room so that every workstation is facing away from the door."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: Michael Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xconfigurator questions
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:16:55 GMT
try this website http://www.nashville.net/cgi-bin/search.pl/monitor/
and see if your monitor is here/ choose custom install/ and plug in
vertical and horizonal refresh rates
Manitee wrote:
> I have a 15" Optiquest monitor but no longer have the docs
> for it so I don't know specifically which one it is so I
> just chose one called a Q51. Anyway, I just bought a Stealth
> III S530 8MB graphics accelerator.
>
> I am trying to put off buying a new computer by just adding
> some components to make this one better. At any rate, I run
> Xconfigurator and at the end it says there was an error and
> do I want to go back and fix it. If I go back it does not give
> any clue what to do differently; if I choose 'quit' it goes
> to the prompt and I can type startx and go into X no problem.
>
> Any ideas on what might be causing this Xconfigurator error?
> Also any ideas on how to figure out exactly what my monitor
> is without the docs? Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Manitee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: hda problems
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:14:49 GMT
Stephen Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having problems with my primary hard drive under Linux (Mandrake 7.1).
Do a "df -il" and see if you are out of inodes.
There's a known problem with Mandrake 7.1's logrotate program that
slowly eats them all up.
If that is the problem, try this (from a post of mine last week):
First go into /var/log/news and do a "find . | xargs rm -f" Expect it
to run for a *long* time. Then do the same in /var/log/news.
Then go to a Mandrake mirror site and download the
logrotate-3.3-9mdk.i586.rpm and the sysklogd-1.3.31-19mdk.i586.rpm
packages and install them.
--
Jim Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=================== http://www.buchanan1.net/ ==========================
"All netted together in a web over the world, a global nervous system, an
octopus of data. There'd been plenty of hype about it. It was easy to make
it seem transcendently incredible." -Bruce Sterling, 1987
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for LyX-like spreadsheet
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:29:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Johnson) writes:
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:36:52 +0100, Morten Skaarup Jensen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I'm looking for a spreadsheet that saves its complete output in an ASCII
> >file. A program like LyX is a brilliant example of the kind of functionality
> >I like. It has a powerful graphical user interface, but if ever I want to
> >edit the file
> >directly (simply because this would involve less keystrokes & mouse clicks)
> >then I'm free to do so at my own risk. Another advantage of saving as an
> >ASCII file is that it works better with CVS (e.g. I can diff two versions).
>
> Although not graphical, look at mc for it saves to an ASCII flat file.
Gnumeric saves its output in XML, _very_ thinly veiled by compressing
it using gzip.
You can load in non-compressed data; it's perfectly happy with that
too.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@hex.net") <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #90. "I will not design my Main Control
Room so that every workstation is facing away from the door."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Trying to download symbolic links.
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:28:29 GMT
In article <8u91c7$1s5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Kilian A. Foth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > After create two links manually, a person behind me told:"Who does
the
> > work: you or the computer?"
>
> > There are two pages of links. I must search the real file directory
and
> > then create the link in the actual directory. All would be more ...
> > comfortable? if the computer does the work.
>
> Well, it probably can, with the right tool. Is there any regularity to
> where the links should point? If so, you should use a shell command or
> a perl one-liner, rather than forcing a browser to jump through hoops
> outside its specified capabilities.
>
No regularity, I think.
The site has a Cross Development Kit for several processors. The
simbolync links made references a files from another directories in the
site. They are the files used for the install of the Kit for a specific
processor.
I am a newbie. So the question I do is: does exist that right tool? Or
is not possible?
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Before you buy.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: permission for ntfs...
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:59:36 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
tue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi ...
>
> I'm using the new linux-mandrake 7.2 and able to mount the win2000 ntfs
> partition. It seems that I can only read the contents from the partition
> and could not write on it although I log in as a root. I have tried to
> change the permission .... but it will say that it is a read-only devices.
> To overcome this problem, I have to create another small partition in
> fat32. I would like to use the ntfs still ... is there any work around for
> this problem ?
No. At least, not a safe one. There is *EXPERIMENTAL* read/write NTFS
support, but few people have tried it, and those who have frequently
report damaged NTFS partitions as a result. What's more, that support
was written for NTFS as used in Windows NT 4.0. Windows 2000 makes
changes to NTFS, so this support is even MORE dangerous for Windows
2000 NTFS partitions. (In fact, in 2.4.0-pre kernels, the code
auto-detects Win2K NTFS partitions and disables the write function even
if you explicitly enable it.)
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: network slow in linux, fast in win...
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:29:46 GMT
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:40:18 GMT, Rob Kroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I've got the exact opposite: my 'net runs faster under Linux than under
>Windows. I'm pretty sure it is because of the MaxMTU setting, which under
>windows is currently 1500, while under Linux it is 1492. (Configured by the
>PPPoE software.) I'm too lazy to go into Windows registry, because the
>Windows really is just a dummy box to test the connection under a different
>O/S should my ISP demand it. Believe it or not, they actually support
>Linux. Well, RedHat and Corel. But it's a start :)
>
The importance of the MTU size is grossly overrated. TCP/IP is a windowing
protocol.
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From: Hallam Holder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Colour
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:31:48 -0500
When I run any of the IRC programs, namely Kvirc or Ksirc, I am unable
to make out the names of the users that are logged into the channel. If
the names are in red the background is also red, if the names are black
the background is also black.
Is there a solution for this colour problem ?
Hallam
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From: JCA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE2
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 07:27:57 -0800
This is not strictly Linux but - I have just installed KDE2 in my
Linux box and I am most unimpressed. It not only doesn't look quite
as good as its 1.* counterpart, but the extra goodies added are not
all that great: Konqueror and Koffice are on par with free tools that I
already have, but they don't add all that much (if anything) extra.
This is of course just my opinion, but I am tempted to get back
to 1.*, or to ditch it altogether in favor of Gnome.
What a big disappointment.
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From: Joerg Morbitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: NFS export problem with netgroup
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:54:13 +0100
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, David YEUNG wrote:
> I have a number of Linux machines and try to control the NFS export
> using NIS netgroup, but it seems to have problem to do so. Here
> is my configuration with a server 'hqlx10' and client 'rcz006':
>
> In the server machine, I have setup the NIS and NFS server:
>
> hqlx10 # ypcat -k netgroup
> linux (rcz006,,)
> hqlx10 # cat /etc/exports
> /usr/local @linux(ro)
> hqlx10 # exportfs -a
> hqlx10 # exportfs
> /usr/local
> @linux
>
> In the client machine:
>
> rcz006 # ypcat -k netgroup
> linux (rcz006,,)
> rcz006 # mount hqlx10:/usr/local /usr/local
> mount: hqlx10:/usr/local failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
>
>
> I always get the Permission denied message when I mount it. However, if I change
> the server /etc/exports to hostname, e.g:
>
> hqlx10 # cat /etc/exports
> /usr/local rcz006(ro)
>
> Then the mount is susccessful.
>
> Does anyone have idea what is wrong, or how to solve this problem.
>
> I am using Redhat 6.2 with the latest kernel (2.2.16) on a PII-500 machine
Just an idea:
What about your entries in /etc/nsswitch.conf concerning netgroup ?
It should be "nis files", not only "files".
Regards, Joerg.
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From: Stephen Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hda problems
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:01:51 GMT
Hey, thanks :)
You've been a great help :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Stephen Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I'm having problems with my primary hard drive under Linux (Mandrake 7.1).
>
>
> Do a "df -il" and see if you are out of inodes.
>
> There's a known problem with Mandrake 7.1's logrotate program that
> slowly eats them all up.
>
> If that is the problem, try this (from a post of mine last week):
>
> First go into /var/log/news and do a "find . | xargs rm -f" Expect it
> to run for a *long* time. Then do the same in /var/log/news.
>
> Then go to a Mandrake mirror site and download the
> logrotate-3.3-9mdk.i586.rpm and the sysklogd-1.3.31-19mdk.i586.rpm
> packages and install them.
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From: NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel
Subject: Re: two peices of legislation i would like to see
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:51:53 +0100
guy-jin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [smacks forehead] should have known that...
>
> > -[z]. Although, y'know, "vi forever".
>
> VI = roman numeral 6. how many times have you
> run vi in your life? divide that number by three
> (i.e. VI VI VI = 666) and that is how many times
> you've KISSED SATANS ###! VI is VIle! VI is eVIl!
>
So Saint Emacs Said???
;^)
--
SALUD,
Jes�s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Mod_Perl on RH7 fails to make test
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:58:34 GMT
In article <MYrE5.1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > I am trying to install mod_perl on a RedHat7 2.2.16-22 box, with
> > apache_1.3.12 .
>
> Why not use those that are shipped with RedHat 7? Apache 1.3.12
> and modperl 1.24.
Confusion on my end: plain redhat 7 system, nothing tinkered with.
"rpm -q -a | grep mod_perl " tells me that mod_perl-1.24-4 is installed.
But "http -l" (apache 1.3.12) tells me that only http_core.c and
mod_so.c are compiled in. No mod_perl listed.
Would mod_perl be loaded dynamically, or does apache require
recompiling?
/iaw
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Program delay
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:12:41 GMT
Hi there,
I would like to delay the execution of a program for a certain amount of time
on bootup. How would I be able to do that in the background (something like:
delay 60s programname & )
Thanks already in advance...
Ciao
Harka
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Updates Phonax.com Unix Howto's
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:18:37 +0100
The Phonax.com site with all kinds of examples on how to configure DNS,
CLustering and SambA
has been completly rebuild. A great layout and even more howto's and
explanations.
Raymond
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From: Ramin Sina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kde2 on RH 6.2
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:32:19 -0500
Now that kde2 rpms are available for RH 6.2 (
http://dot.kde.org/973526972/ if anyone is interested), I was
wondering if anyone has had any problems after upgrading or should I
expect a smooth upgrade?
Thanks
Ramin Sina
Kernel 2.2.16-3
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:41:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find the Windows NT binaries of PHP etc work well. The installation
> is simple for most. Apache is a little tricky because few people
> understand services. The problem is setting up a workstation to run a
> departmental Intranet or a test web site. Installing all the bits by
> hand requires a different knowledge set for each. There is not
> equivalent to a Microsoft Office CD.
I'm sorry that I just jump into the discussion like this ;-)
Alot of people have used Windows good or bad it's up to you but why
does everybody "want" linux/bsd/etc to be like Windows ?
Yes you have been getting used to the tools in the windows enviroment,
for some reason however you have choosen to look at an alternative OS.
WHY ?
If you were so happy with the MS products why look elsewere if the
things you need works just fine ?
If you need a feature or better uptime etc. and you look at Linux why
would you want it to be like Windows ?
If it were Windows you wouldn't gain the feature you want, would you ?
Setting up a Apache test server takes the time to install e.g. RH on
the machine and away you go (if you choose to install Apache at the
installation (custom or Server profile)).
It might not be a tuned/well-performing site but as a test it works
just fine.
> With NT, I can then alter the NT installation script to pre answer
> questions and burn a new CD. That new CD will automatically install on
> 100s of PCs with no problems. To do the same with Linux, you have to
> start with far more knowledge of Linux and people with that knowledge
> are in short supply.
Well there are alot of good information about using Kickstart and will
do the same thing. Yes you need to know how you want it to be installed
but you would need the same thing for the unattended installation of
Windows NT.
> I use Solaris and Linux for web servers. Considering each server is
> serving around 80,000 workstations, the workstation market is far
> larger and more influential.
Yes and No.
The public exposure is larger in the workstation market yes.
Were do every computer vendor want to get a bigger market, the server
and infrastructure market,why ?
Better revenue/profit, if a customer buys your servers they are more
likely to consider your workstations.
I think that company->company the server market has more influence but
from end-user->end-user the workstation market has more influence.
Quite obvious actualy.
> I do not need the GUI apps but find them many times faster so will
> stick with NT Workstation until the right set of apps are Gnomed.
Yes and No (again ;-))
I know what you mean though (I have a MCSE certification so I'm not
completly unaware of the MS products ;-)) but some things are so much
easier in unix/linux then Win NT.
I do however think that Linux is not quite there for the general user
but IMHO I think Linux makes you want to learn new things.
Fredrik
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From: Matt Warnock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: network slow in linux, fast in win...
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:50:09 -0500
Yes, you're right, its NE2000 compatable. its an ISA card. Not sure
what you mean about the PnP/dynamically assicned recources, but i
turned off the PnP for the card, so it runs on IRQ 12 at address
0x02A0. So it probably doesn't make a difference. As for new
drivesr, i'm using kernel 2.2.16 that comes w/ Mandrake, and the NE
module thats in it. This problem first started w/ RH, when me and
another guy on my floor had this problem. When he installed mandrake,
his net connection went throught the roof, mine stayed the same.
any other ideas? Thanks for your help!
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:40:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob
Kroll) wrote:
>
>"Linksys" NE2000? Isn't the NE2000 card made by Novell? Perhaps you mean
>NE2000 compatible?
>
>Doesn't matter. You've got the latest drivers for the card? Are you using a
>PCI or an ISA card? Are you using PnP/dynamically assigned resources, or
>statically assigned resources? (Despite what you may have heard, most
>BIOS's will allow you to reserve IRQ's and I/O addresses for specific PCI
>slots.)
>
>I've got the exact opposite: my 'net runs faster under Linux than under
>Windows. I'm pretty sure it is because of the MaxMTU setting, which under
>windows is currently 1500, while under Linux it is 1492. (Configured by the
>PPPoE software.) I'm too lazy to go into Windows registry, because the
>Windows really is just a dummy box to test the connection under a different
>O/S should my ISP demand it. Believe it or not, they actually support
>Linux. Well, RedHat and Corel. But it's a start :)
>
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From: Lori Holder-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: boot problems after moving HD
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:58:03 -0600
> I've just put a whopping big new HD in my debian 2.2 system, and copied
> all of my system from my older HD onto the new one, now I got this wierd
> problem with LILO:
<snip>
> LILO boots the system fine. but if I remove (physically) hdc, lilo stops
> on the `L'. With hdc removed, I can boot to hda from a kernel image on a
> floppy. I have tried recompiling the kernel, recreating the system map,
> and rerunning lilo, all pointing to hda, but nothing wants to give
>
> any ideas?
Sure. Did you make sure that your boot partition on the new whopping
huge drive is within the first 1023 cylinders of the drive? That was my
problem when I got (what sounds like) the same error you have here. I
bought a new big drive, replaced my old teeny drive, completely forgot
about that 1023 cylinder thing, and didn't specify a separate /boot
partition when I ran fdisk. Tried to boot, lilo got stuck. It took me
about 5 more failed installations before I remembered the cylinder
limitation. On the 7th (:<) install, I used fdisk to create a /boot
partition located entirely below cylinder 1023 and was trouble free
thereafter. At least with respect to lilo and boot issues, that is...
> another wierd thing that occurred to me - the LILO docs say that when it
> stops after the first `L', and error code should be displayed indicating
> whats going wrong. mine does not display an error code at all.
hmmm. I never heard that lilo is supposed to actually display an error
message. The error code I think you are referring to is inherent in how
many letters of "lilo" get spelled out at boot. That is, if you only
get an "l" that means one thing, but if you get an "li" that means
something else, and "lil" means yet another condition.
Look Here (and this isn't just for SUSE):
http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/kgw_lilo_errmsg.html
It mentions that just getting the "l" can be a sign of a geometry
mismatch, which I _think_ may be a function of this /boot partition
thing I'm talking about above.
Good luck
Lori
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From: Belldandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gnome mime configuration not working.....
Date: 7 Nov 2000 17:07:21 GMT
My mime config for Acrobat Reader isn't working as I expected,
my entry is: /usr/local/Acrobat4/bin/acroread %f
The file manager keeps reporting unable to open file with
the executable. I'm sure the executable path is correct,
anyone know what to do? Thanks.....
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