Linux-Misc Digest #276, Volume #21 Tue, 3 Aug 99 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: helping the Third World (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Re: helping the Third World (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver ("Maurice Poisson A.")
Re: Program to find optimal MTU? (Clifford Kite)
Re: Help: Recall Last Command (David Mcilroy)
Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size. (David Mcilroy)
IBM Internet Connection vs. Linux (kppp) (Kyler Laird)
Re: Brand recommendation? (Yousuf Khan)
(argh i feel stupid) Re: Kmod and autoclean ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Question: where can I download any LINUX? (Heeeeeeeez back!)
Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size. (Paul Anderson)
Re: Newbie in Houston (Heeeeeeeez back!)
Re: [Q] linux license? (Paul Anderson)
Re: IDE vs scsi? (Student)
email pop smnt console dialup ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Real*6 to float? ("bob")
Re: a (GUI) spreadsheet with Perl API ? ("Richard P. Wesenberg")
Re: Program to find optimal MTU? (Bernd Eckenfels)
RedHat-5.2 and news.. (ishwar rattan)
Re: helping the Third World (Peter Seebach)
diagramming tool (Lee Doolan)
Re: Buy vs Download Difference: Documentation Only? (Stewart Honsberger)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:05:29 -0500
On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:44:46 GMT,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:49:11 -0500, I wrote:
>
>>>Will these idiots never learn?
>>>Redistribution of wealth would cause a world wide financial collapse.
>
>>Wealth is already being redistributed in almost every reasonably
>>advanced economy.
>
>And such economies stutter. Go to France.
>
>>It would be quite reasonable to argue that this
>>redistribution of wealth is necessary for the maintenance of stability
>>in society.
>
>Mabye, but definitely not on planet Earth.
What real economy that you would like to live under does not
redistribute wealth?
>>In our country (USA) we do this through transfer payments and a
>>progressive tax system. There are other methods that might be better
>>(but I don't really want to get into all that).
>
>Yeah, you're doing good job. You've already ruined US education.
Do you really believe that education in the US was better when it
operated under the free market system? You may complain that the
quality of the US education system is not what it should be, but to
argue that it operated better previously is using colored hindsight.
>>>The rich and successful work as hard as they do TO BECOME RICH.
>>>If the opportunity to become rich is taken away, which redistribution would
>>>do, there would no longer be any reason for the successful to strive to
>>>achieve the wealth that they do. Thus a total monetary collapse, just like
>>>you see in Russia, Cuba and so on.
>>
>>Without some redistribution of wealth eventually there will only be a
>>handful of very rich people and a multitude of virtual slaves.
>
>And that multitude would all voluntarily work for exclusive benefit of
>those few very rich because.... because.. I don't know why.
Because they need to if they wish to have heat in the winter, a roof
over their heads, food to eat, medical care for their children...
>You write a simplified version of idiotic concentration of wealth
>theory by Marx. If it ever could happen, it would already happen
>on the beginning of 20th century, don't you think?
It has happened. Redistribution of wealth and unionization have
prevented the `revolution of the proletariat' envisioned by Marx. Marx
saw the problem but was wrong about the solution. I think he deserves
some credit.
--
Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
================= http://www.tranquility.net/~kturvey
When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is
still an evil.
-- Max Lerner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:12:16 -0500
On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:27:44 GMT, MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>relations. A million people and a thousand factors is laughably
>small? How do you manage your collective system? The astronomical
>number of relations gets you. Sorry. Much better option is
>the option of capitalism: everybody follows _enlightened_ self
>interest.
As long as it works well for the industry in question this is true, but
some industries are not suited to the free market for various reasons.
The classic example is the lighthouse. The primary beneficiaries of
lighthouses cannot be required to purchase the services, yet we (most of
us anyway) agree that lighthouses are a `good' thing to have.
>>Yet
>>selfish cretins opposed to redistribution keep asking socialists
>>and left-wingers "Why don't you change the world all by yourself?"
>>so in fact they *do* expect others to do the blatantly impossible
>>before they stop being selfish assholes.
>
>I don't have a moral duty for caring for everyone in this world.
>Simple as that. I have a duty of not harming them, but that's
>it.
I agree with this statement in principle. On the other hand, your
actions can increase your debt to your neighbor.
--
Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
================= http://www.tranquility.net/~kturvey
Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced
with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is
almost never given a fair hearing. -- George Orwell
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From: "Maurice Poisson A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:08:56 -0400
Had the same message in COL 2.2 until I reconfigured my PCs BIOS to use
an ECP or EPP port, but not ECP/EPP.
>From then on I've been able to use the Zip doing 'insmod ppa' as root
before mounting it.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Burg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:31:12 -0400, Andre Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >Hi,
> > I also have a new install of RH6.0 and I cannot get the PP Zip working
> >either, (even though it works fine on my Debian Linux Installation on
> >another machine).
> >I tried 'modprobe ppa' as G-man suggests. The computer responds with.
> >
> > /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.0: init_module: Device or Resource Busy
> >
>
> Yes, I've had exactly the same experience before. I eventually gave up, since
> I
> couldn't get the PP zip drive to work on that machine under NT either. I just
> assumed that the PP was broken or something.
>
> John Burg
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From: kite@NoSpam.%inetport.com (Clifford Kite)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Program to find optimal MTU?
Date: 3 Aug 1999 10:10:32 -0500
Floyd Davidson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Clifford Kite <kite@NoSpam.%inetport.com> wrote:
: >Floyd Davidson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I would assume that if he meant Path MTU that he would have
: mentioned Path MTU instead of asking about the optimal MTU for a
: given interface, which indicates Link MTU. Path MTU certainly
: would be appropriate if he is writing networked applications.
: But he is more likely setting up pppd options.
I think you're right that he want's to set MTU for the PPP interface.
: >: For rough idea of what differences you might find, think in
: >: terms of efficiency and timing for PPP packets. A PPP packet
: >: has 40 bytes of overhead (addressing, etc.), so whatever the mtu
: >: is set to, that amount minus 40 bytes is the actual payload.
: >
: >Actually it's the TCP-IP headers in IP packets riding on PPP that occupy
: >the 40 bytes.
: Actually... The TCP header is 20 bytes, the IPv4 header is 20
: bytes and the PPP frame header is 4 bytes. However, no matter
: how one looks at the distribution, the point is that there are
: 40 bytes of overhead per packet fed to the PPP interface (which
: adds 4 more that I was ignoring).
Actually... I count 6 bytes more than are in the headers and IP data
including the CRC that (A)HDLC framing uses. Plus the frame delimiter
7E, if used, and any escapes. :)
: >: For example, if you set the mtu to 128 there will be almost 1/3
: >: of each packet that is overhead and does not contribute to data
: >: transfer. If you do only large ftp transfers, that would cause a serious
: >: increase in the time it takes to transfer each file.
: >
: >But if the other side accepts Van Jacobson header compression as a PPP
: >link option then the header information can be reduced to as few as
: >3 bytes.
: There are other considerations too. The minimum reassembly
: buffer size for IPv4 is 576 bytes. Also, while TCP has a Maximum
: Segment Size (MSS) of up to 65535, it defaults to 536 (the 576
: minimum buffer minus 40 bytes of overhead for IP and TCP
: headers) if none is specified.
: TCP applications restrict packets to the MSS size, but UDP do
: not automatically limit packets in that manner.
That's interesting, I've often wondered about the origin of the 576
MTU for a PPP interface that's often seen. I've always used 552 on the
theory that IP data would likely be sent in chunks that are a power of
two, and that 512 would be a reasonable compromise between larger data
chunks and smaller control chunks. Oh well.
: It seems obvious where the common value of 576 for the MTU
: derives its value from, and why that would be considered a
: maximum setting for MTU. (The minimum link MTU for IPv4 is 68
: bytes; however, with normal usage patterns that is not a
: practical value.)
: However, IPv6 has 40 byte headers (plus the 20 from TCP
: headers). IPv6 has a minimum link MTU of 576.
So the header overhead load factor for IP datagrams will, in general,
be worst with IPv6 if I'm reading this right. The price of backwards
compatibility.
: The above suggests that in the immediate future, when IPv4 and
: IPv6 are both commonly implemented, a MTU value of 576 will be
: the best compromise to fit both versions?
All choices involve a trade-off and best is relative at best. :^ I'm
pretty sure that I'm not qualified to answer that. :|
--
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com> Not a guru. (tm)
/* The wealth of a nation is created by the productive labor of its
* citizens. */
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From: David Mcilroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help: Recall Last Command
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:29:39 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"M. Cao" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Could you tell me how to customizing environment to recall last
> commands from the keyboard.
>
> If possible, I love to know in Korn, Bash, Csh and Bourne Shells.
>
> Thank you
> Minh
In bash and ksh (I think), you can scroll up and down through the
command history with the up and down arrows.
David
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From: David Mcilroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size.
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:30:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dave Davenport wrote:
> Hi. Stupid newbie question here. I'm running Redhat 6.0 and using
> xconfig to compile a new kernel (hopefully with SB16 support). The
> compile goes fine, but when I run LILO to add the new kernel as a 'test'
> option, LILO gives me a 'kernel too large' error message. The smallest
> kernel I've been able to compile has been about 1.2 megs. Is there
> anything I'm missing or will I have to pare more support out of it?
>
> --Dave Davenport
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hong Kong, 2057 Netbook:
> http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/6973
Did you 'make zImage' or 'make bzImage'?
Try 'make bzImage' if you haven't already.
David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kyler Laird)
Subject: IBM Internet Connection vs. Linux (kppp)
Date: 3 Aug 1999 15:22:51 GMT
I've been using IBM as a dialup provider for years,
but I only use it when I'm on the road. (At home
I use ADSL/ISDN/cable IP.) Today I was trying to
use it (after successfully using it last week) and
found that kppp kept dying right after connecting.
Sometimes this happens when someone else is using
my account. (I let a friend use it sometimes.)
It persisted, though, so I called IBM for help. I
was finally (after long waits) told that no one
else was using it and that the reason I could not
login was that I was using Linux.
The support person told me that they'd changed
their DNS server and that it caused manually-
configured systems to be unable to login. I told
her I don't care about her DNS servers (I use my
own.) and would like to speak with someone who
knows more about PPP. She told me that everyone
else would say the same thing and that all she
could do is send me Linux connection info.
Grrrrr...
So, I decided to stop using kppp because I was
not able to get any useful diagnostics from it.
(Yes, I had debug/kdebug on.) I made all of the
config files for plain pppd and I was able to
connect without a hitch. (And, no, I'm still
not using IBM's DNS.)
So...what gives? What did IBM do to break kppp
and why won't they just tell us? Their Linux
PPP setup document
http://help.ibm.net/helplib/linuxp.html
was last updated in February, so it doesn't
offer any help.
I like having the command-line PPP dialup
working, but kppp was pretty cool.
Thanks.
--kyler
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From: Yousuf Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Brand recommendation?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:54:16 GMT
In article <7nopdl$7bp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collene Pearce) wrote:
> I'm going to upgrade my old machine and put
> Linux on it. Now, the question is -- do I have
> to be careful about the processor I choose? What
> about other hardware?
No, you can choose any processor you like: AMD, Cyrix, or Intel. You
can even choose whatever class of processor you like: 386-class, 486-
class, P5-class, or P6-class. They all work.
It's not the processors that are really a problem, it's more things
like video cards, hard disk controllers, etc.
Actually, why bother upgrading? Linux is one of the OSes that can
really make an old piece of hardware feel useful again. All of the
successive generations of Windows OSes are deliberately designed to bog
down processors so that you feel like you need to upgrade. I got a
486/66 system running Linux now which feels like a rocket compared to
my K6-2/300 and Cyrix 6x86-P166 systems running Windows 95. The 486 is
now the main server in my LAN, because it's the fastest network device
to my cable modem.
> Also, can any one recommend their favorite "brand"
> of linux? Is one better than another and if so,
> why?
If you buy the 6-CD set from Infomagic, you'll get multiple
distributions, including Slackware, Debian, SuSE, and RedHat. You can
try them all out and see what you like best. Currently the most popular
is Redhat, followed by Debian.
Yousuf Khan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: (argh i feel stupid) Re: Kmod and autoclean
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:11:13 GMT
i always hate it when people do this and now i've gone and done it
again:
here are my machine specs:
Linux 2.2.6 from Slackware 4.0 on an intel platform
the zip drive is an old parallel port one (ppa.o module is correct and
works) with EPP scsi emulation (i think).
i also think that that is all that matters for this case
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> After much effort and inumberable reboots, i finally managed to get my
> zip drive working. simply
> putting the modules parport, parport_pc (not in any of the
> mini-howtos/any other docs i could find), and ppa (imm for zip PLUS).
> this works fine, except that, as kmod (kerneld replacement) didn't put
> them there in the first place, they are not flagged autoclean and so the
> rmmod -a in my crontab doesn't dispense of them even if they say 0 next
> to them.
>
> i have tried many things, and nothing seems to work. what i would
> ultimatly like to do is just be able to "mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip" and
> have it mount, loading the appropriate scsi, file systems (sda4 is
> usualy a vfat partition), and of course ppa. the only way i can see to
> do this is a shell script, but because that does not invoke kmod, the
> problem is the same (rmmod -a doesn't work). since kmod uses modprobe
> just like kerneld did, i thought i might just creat a "zip.o" that
> somehow "depended" on parport, parport_pc, ppa, appropriate scsi, etc
> and then in crontab have an entry for rmmod zip, rmmod -a. upon further
> reflection, i thought a simple line added to modules.dep would work.
> however, the only way this seemed to work is if i rebooted, and since
> rebooting overwrites the modules.dep...even if its chmod 444'd...
>
> i suppose i could add the appropriate rmmod's to an unmount-zip script,
> but i am looking for something a little more permanent than that
> (besides, thats not fixing the problem: its avoiding figuring out how it
> works).
>
> could i just add a request_module() call to zip.c and then add it to
> .configure or Makefile? any expirience/foresights/documentation would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Latenar
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From: Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Question: where can I download any LINUX?
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:50:57 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Alexander Berezhnoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi !
> I have quetion about SUBJ. Better - smolest version.
> (sorry for my bad English...)
http://www.redhat.com (or is it org?)
http://www.linux.org
http://www.freshmeat.net
+ many more.
Of course, if your planning on downloading a full distribution, it might be
an idea to pick up a cheap CD instead. Distributions usually wiegh in in the
1 - 2 gigabyte range, or more.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Problems with LILO and kernel size.
Date: 2 Aug 1999 23:43:05 -0400
Dave Davenport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>The smallest
>kernel I've been able to compile has been about 1.2 megs. Is there
>anything I'm missing or will I have to pare more support out of it?
>
_HUH_? There's no way you could get the right kernel that big - not a
chance. They're usually in the vicinity of 500k. That is deffinitely not the
right file.
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From: Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie in Houston
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:55:36 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:25:11 GMT, Chris wrote:
>>Thanks albert! I just read about SuSe, and it sounds pretty. Anyone
>>know anything about that OfficeWare it comes with?
> It comes with Star Office. It *might* come with a demo of Applixware (
> you can check this on their website ).
> Applixware is commercial, ie you have to buy it for about US $80-.
> It is IMO the nicest office suite for linux.
SuSE 6.1 comes with Star Office, Wordperfect free personal edition and
Applixware demo. (Unfortunately, the Applixware seems to be broken.
(Apparently, the evaluation time has expired, which is a pain)
If you're going to get SuSE you might as well wait a few weeks.
(6.2 is due out later this month according to Freshmeat.net)
> If you just want a word processor, there's also word perfect. There's
> a free version ( which probably comes with SuSE. Check on their website )
> and a commercial version which costs about $50, and has some extras like more
> fonts and other stuff.
Yeh. The free version has VERY limited graphics capability, and several
other features disabled.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: [Q] linux license?
Date: 3 Aug 1999 14:16:25 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (student) writes:
>If they do not need to pay at all, can I(as an end user)
>sell my own CDROM that has such freeware/shareware packages
>without violating any law?
>
Yes. BTW, Debian isn't put together by a company, it's put together by a
group of hackers, like Linux, and GNU software.
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From: Student <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDE vs scsi?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:34:12 +0200
if you need to use the processor at the same time as the hd you download it if you
use ide
but in a scsi box you do not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > No. What is meant by multiple reads/writes is that SCSI can read and write to
> > all 7 or 15 devices on it's bus simultaneously while EIDE can only access one
> > of the two devices on each channel at a time.
> That's right
>
> > Also since EIDE controllers tend
> > to not be as intelligent as SCSI controllers I do not think, I am not certain,
> > that a mulit-channer EIDE controller can access even separate channels in
> > parallel.
>
> They can, because they are two separate devices. Each has its own interrupt
> and its own IO-Address.
>
> > Then there is Tagged Queuing which allows the SCSI controller to reorder reads
> > and even writes to optimize drive access. In a multi-user, and especially an
> > SMP, environment SCSI always out performs EIDE.
> > The benchmark you quote sounds
> > suspiciously like a single user WinXX test to me.
>
> It is indeed. That's why I thought it would match Day D.'s posting. I would
> never use IDE in a server or a similar high power system, but in a
> workstation, things are a bit different.
>
> CU
> Stefan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: email pop smnt console dialup
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:42:42 GMT
What applications should I look at for sending and recieving email thru
linux. Should I set up a pop3 server. I would like to check
multiple email addresses. There is so much discussion of others using
various applications. If someone could steer me down a path I could take
it from there.
I have linux RH 6.0 all working. The StartX App runs really slow, prob
because only have 8 megs ram on a 486DX100 3.2G HD. I am using a dialup
land line modem and I don't have my own IP address. I really don't want
one yet. Anyway, I'm not asking for a manual here, just the apps I
should look at and then I can concentrate on that.
Thanks.
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From: "bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Real*6 to float?
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:46:32 -0700
Depends on the reason for using 48 bit. If a restriction on upper limit,
could roll your own. Lots of work. If just want high precision above 32 bit,
I would use "double".
cheers...bob
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7o6uea$no$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Please can anybody help me in converting a real*6 (Pascal!) to a float in
> c? Is there perhaps a standard facility for it, or is it not all that
> simple?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Regards,
> Gerard
>
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From: "Richard P. Wesenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uw.linux
Subject: Re: a (GUI) spreadsheet with Perl API ?
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:02:53 +0000
Sascha Bohnenkamp wrote:
>
> >> does anybody know of a spreadsheet, or even better a GUI
> >>spreadsheet like applix, etc., that would have the capability
> >>of being manipulated through a Perl API ? (Or some other
> >>high-level scripting language) ? Even just plain read, write
> >>and recalculate functions would be enough.
> well, nexs has a tcl-api ... I know that is not perl, but very similiar
Try nexs available from www.xess.com. A simple perl api was contributed.
I've used it and it works OK. The gnome based Gnumeric has a perl api
plug-in. This may be a better bet.
Cheers!
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From: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Program to find optimal MTU?
Date: 1 Aug 1999 22:24:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> use ping.. set the "no fragment" flag .. then ping some host using
> increasing packet sizes.. the size u get an error about the packet being
> too big u got your mtu..
To discover a path mtu, tracepath can be used, it is a traceroute workalike.
You can find it for example in the netbase of Debian GNU/Linux.
Greetings
Bernd
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:16:30 EDT
From: ishwar rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat-5.2 and news..
Hello
I am running ReadHat-5.2 (kernel-2.2.10) on a dual Pentium PC.
I use `trn' to read news from school's server (specified via environment
var NNTPSERVER).
Is thre a way to post or reply to news articles too? What other software
pieces do I need to make it work?
Thanks in advance.
- ishwar
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:31:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:27:44 GMT, MK
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>relations. A million people and a thousand factors is laughably
>>small? How do you manage your collective system? The astronomical
>>number of relations gets you. Sorry. Much better option is
>>the option of capitalism: everybody follows _enlightened_ self
>>interest.
>As long as it works well for the industry in question this is true, but
>some industries are not suited to the free market for various reasons.
>The classic example is the lighthouse. The primary beneficiaries of
>lighthouses cannot be required to purchase the services, yet we (most of
>us anyway) agree that lighthouses are a `good' thing to have.
What a convenient example. Early lighthouses were generally run commercially.
They were paid for by people using the nearby ports; while some people may
have benefitted from the lighthouse without paying, the people paying got good
value for their money. Want something a bit more modern? The RBL is funded
by a small number of subscribers, who apparently feel they are getting good
value for their money by funding it, but it helps all of us.
Public goods can often be turned into profitable enterprises.
I don't know why people always bring up the lighthouse; they're not a good
argument at all for socialist economy, since they work fine under a capitalist
system, and indeed, it appears to have been capitalists who were first able
to organize well enough to build them.
-s
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From: Lee Doolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: diagramming tool
Date: 03 Aug 1999 13:08:53 -0700
is anyone aware of an open/free graphical diagramming
tool (a la visio or vthought) for linux??
-lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Buy vs Download Difference: Documentation Only?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:23:59 GMT
On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:32:11 +0000, Philipp Maier wrote:
>- also commercial software such as StarOffice,
I'm glad they didn't include it! Imagine adding 70 to the already 600 meg
download.
>- and, in general, the CD's you buy work much better. Don't ask why, but
>this is my experience.
Bad burn maybe? The CD we downloaded + burned works perfectly. Sure it
doesn't have a pretty logo on the top, but it still works.
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