Linux-Misc Digest #276, Volume #25 Sun, 30 Jul 00 06:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: non-English letters in xterm (sideband)
Re: where has the propaganda website gone? (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Best newsreader? ("max barwell")
mount problems ("nesman")
Re: UPS with serial port (Dan Amborn)
Re: UPS with serial port (Dan Amborn)
Re: UPS with serial port (Dan Amborn)
turning off the XBell (Chris Cera)
Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise ("chief")
Dual NICs of same type? (David Steuber)
Re: Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise (Cihl)
very old laptop as a car mp3 player running linux (gLiTcH)
Come to my Linux's Website! ("Sam Tang")
Re: Dual NICs of same type? (Manfred Bartz)
Re: Dual NICs of same type? ("Lewis Foti")
Re: Single Linux DHCP machine serving different Network ??? (Paul Martin)
Re: Oh no! (David Steuber)
Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences? (David Steuber)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (David Steuber)
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From: sideband <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: non-English letters in xterm
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:14:27 -0400
Um...
I hate to mention it...
But English is derived from Latin as well...
Thought I'd point that out.
-SSB
Stefano Ghirlanda wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nicolas LS) writes:
>
> > Le 24 Jul 2000 16:53:52 +0200, Stefano Ghirlanda a ecrit :
> > >> Peut etre faut-il refaire la map du clavier ?
> > >Non credo, visto che molte applicazioni funzionano, tipo lyx ed emacs
> >
> > Sorry for the french ... but you understood ...
>
> Speakers of latin-derived languages should learn to understand other
> latin-derived languages at school! It's stupid that french, spanish
> and italian people talk to each other in English!
>
> Perhaps someone sitting in the European parliament reads these
> newsgroups?
>
> Stefano
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where has the propaganda website gone?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:38:27 -0400
"Lonni J. Friedman" wrote:
>
> It was shutdown about 6 months ago. Much of its content has been merged
> into themes.org
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know where the propaganda website went to? I think it was a
> > linux site or unix, can't quite remember but they had some kewl
> > backgrouds and stuff to download.
> > they used to be at
> > http://propaganda.system12.com/welcome.html
> >
Bowie Poag is sourcing his graphics from the metalab.unc.edu site now;
Propaganda has gone underground. Try
http://metalab.unc.edu/propaganda/ for the main site, and
http://metalab.unc.edu/propaganda/Vol1/catalog.html for the Propaganda
volume listings.
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: "max barwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best newsreader?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:26:31 +1200
try "pan"
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Blomquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm recently over from Windoze land, and I am wondering if there is a
> newsreader that is as good as Microplanet's Gravity?
>
> I am currently posting and reading from Krn 0.6.0, and have an RPM for
> 0.6.11; I also have a beta of knews, but am not excited about it, if it
> just another basic newsreader.
>
> I know that Netscape Communicator can handle it, but its never been a
> faovrite either. And pine and news are a bit lower than I want.
>
> I'm not really a snoot, but I just like a decent newsreader with a
> decent threading ability.
>
> Rob
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From: "nesman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mount problems
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:42:59 -0700
hi all,
try to mount a win98 partitioned logical drive (not fat32, though). mount
errors back with something like 'vfat not supported by the kernel.' do i
have to recompile the kernel, is there a command to load vfat fs support
module?
tia,
nesman
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From: Dan Amborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: UPS with serial port
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 01:11:28 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:06:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Hall) =
wrote:
>How did you get them to send you a cable? You can pay for one via the
>website, that's all I've found. I have a BackUPS 500 I bought a couple =
of
>years ago, and it didn't come with the cable or software. Am I entitled =
to a
>free Linux cable, and if so how do I get it?
>
I have an APC BackUPS 650 and it came with a card to get a free cable and
Windows software CD. I called the toll free support line to figure out =
why I
couldn't get it working in Linux. After all the ads say its certified to=
work
in Redhat so I figured they would support it. It turned out that they =
sent me
the wrong cable. I told them I wasn't aware of the differences with the =
cable
and that if it was possible to swap the wrong cable with the Linux one. =
They
told me that it wasn't worth it to send the cable back and that they =
would just
send me the correct one. I think this is kind of odd since they rob you =
blind
on the web site for these cables ($39). =20
I don't know if you are entitled to the cable with your 500. It might be
something they just started doing. I just purchased mine within the last=
month
or two. If you want the support number its probably on their web site or=
email
me and I will dig it out.
--
Dan Amborn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will.
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From: Dan Amborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: UPS with serial port
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 01:31:57 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:52:07 -0400, Alex Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
wrote:
>I bought a BackUPS 500 about a week ago. It did not come with cable and
>software either. I believe you have to register (or something like that)
>for the product and send back some stuff or via their web site. I sent
>out the registration form few days ago and haven't received anything
>yet. It might take a few weeks. You might still be able to get it...=20
>
>It really should come with the cable and software...
>
Thats what I thought too. You buy this thing and expect it to work =
perfectly
out of the box. Then you find that they have you mail this little card =
in to
get the cable and software. I kind of understand their thinking now =
though
after finding that there are more than one cable for it. I don't really
understand why their is a separate cable for Linux and Windows. You =
would think
they could make the software just use one type of cable regardless of the
operating system.
The card you send in is separate from the registration card. I never =
sent in my
card. I just ordered it off the web site. My cousin bought the exact =
same UPS
I did (APC BackUPS 650) and he sent in the card. He got his UPS a month =
before
I did and he didn't get his cable and software. By ordering off the web =
site I
got the Windows cable and software within a week via USPS. I got the =
correct
Linux cable after calling support in two days via FedEx. =20
Here is the web site and key code to order the cable online. I don't =
think the
key code is specific to my UPS since it is printed on the card in the =
same print
as the rest of the card. I would think if it was specific to my actual =
Serial#
they would have stamped it on there or something like that. It will ask =
for the
code when you get to the site.
http://promo.apcc.com
key code: C684Z
Here is the support number too which if you want the correct cable the =
first
time would be wise to call instead of ordering it online.
1-800-800-4272
--
Dan Amborn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will.
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From: Dan Amborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: UPS with serial port
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 01:43:32 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:00:04 GMT, David Steuber =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Dan Amborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>' Make sure you get the cable that works with Linux. They have two =
cables and
>' have a tendency to send the Windows cable out by default without =
asking.
>
>I don't understand this. I thought there were two types of RS-232
>cable: a straight cable and a null-modem cable. What is APC doing
>different?
I am not really sure. I am kind of new at this but here are the two =
cable
listings as I found them off of the web site. My Linux cable part number=
isn't
even close to theirs though it works great in Redhat so I am assuming =
they sent
me the correct one. The other cable kept giving me errors on setup.
=3D=3D=3DCable #1=3D=3D=3D
Simple Signaling Unix Cable =20
APC part # AP9823 (My part # 940-0023A)
(Application/Description)=20
SCO Unix, IBM AIX, Solaris(SPARC), UnixWare, Solaris X86(Intel), SunOS, =
NCR
Unix, Olivetti Unix, SVR4, SINIX/RM, Unisys Unix, HP-UX, Linux $39 =20
=20
=3D=3D=3DCable #2=3D=3D=3D
NT/LAN Server Cable (Simple Signaling) =20
APC part # 940-0020 (My part# 940-0020B)
(Application/Description)=20
MS LAN Manager 2.0, 2.1, Artisoft LANtastic 4.0, DEC Pathworks for OS/2, =
IBM LAN
Server 3.0, Windows NT 3.1, 3.5, 4.0, Acer/Altos OS, System 700 & 7000, =
Windows
Apps, NetWare $39 =20
--
Dan Amborn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Cera)
Subject: turning off the XBell
Date: 30 Jul 2000 07:43:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anyone know how I would go about turning this off in gnome, or any WM in
particular. Is this even a function of the WM, or do I have to turn this off
in every program individually? Thank you.
--
/"\ c h r i s c e r a
\ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X AGAINST HTML MAIL,
/ \ AND NEWS TOO, dammit
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From: "chief" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 01:27:20 -0700
have some requirements for a project which i am considering doing in linux,
if possible. are the following features supported in most distributions?
must be text based...
ftp client
dial-up client (to ISP and direct comm with the server)
dial-up server
scheduling command that will launch programs at specified time/date
download manager like GetRight
encrypting/decrypting program
mp3 player with playlists, random, no repeat
a built-in scripting ability like DOS
if available, can you recommend the best distribution to run on, and best
app? if i have to program some stuff myself, what is the easiest language to
use?
can you also recommend the best modem and sound card for that distrib? also,
is anyone aware of linux support for small LCD screens?
it's alot of questions i know, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
chief
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Dual NICs of same type?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:59:59 GMT
Will two 3Com 3C905B-TX type PCI NICs play nicely together in a single
Linux box, or should I get another type of NIC for eth1?
I have a PPro that I use as a router with a 10bt card for my DSL modem
and a 100bt card to my hub (I wish it was a switch). These work
well. My new computer is PCI only, just about. I would like another
100bt PCI NIC so that I have IPForwarding/Masquerading capability
before I take the machine to my ISP. The reason for this is that I
don't want to consume more than one IP address should I add additional
machines. The machines hanging off of the second NIC can use private
IP addresses like I use in my home network.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:04:19 GMT
chief wrote:
>
> have some requirements for a project which i am considering doing in linux,
> if possible. are the following features supported in most distributions?
>
> must be text based...
>
> ftp client
> dial-up client (to ISP and direct comm with the server)
> dial-up server
> scheduling command that will launch programs at specified time/date
> download manager like GetRight
> encrypting/decrypting program
> mp3 player with playlists, random, no repeat
> a built-in scripting ability like DOS
>
> if available, can you recommend the best distribution to run on, and best
> app? if i have to program some stuff myself, what is the easiest language to
> use?
>
> can you also recommend the best modem and sound card for that distrib? also,
> is anyone aware of linux support for small LCD screens?
>
> it's alot of questions i know, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks
>
> chief
All of the programs you have requested above are available in large
quantities. :)
Everything in text (console), well:
For an ftp-client, you have the standard 'ftp', or 'ncftp', 'cftp',
you name it.
dial-up client: SuSE has 'wvdial'. I don't know about the others.
dial-up server: take your pick. Many to download from the internet.
scheduling: the ancient and allpowerful CRON-daemon. (standard, but
others available)
dl-manager: many, many, many available.
enc/dec: like PGP? available.
mp3 player: uncountable number of implementations. Also,
rippers/encoders, decoders, burners for audio-CD's, the list goes on
and on.
scripting: perl (industry standard), shell-scripting (like DOS), many
others.
You could say that if it has something to do with networking/internet,
it's often available in large numbers. You can do searches on
http://www.freshmeat.net and http://www.linuxberg.com.
For the best distribution:
Many are available as you may have noticed. Often used for server work
are SuSE, RedHat, Debian and Slackware. These are the distro's that
are the easiest to do a custom setup on. I have SuSE myself, and it's
quite nice.
About modems; watch out for WinModems. If it says on the box that
it'll work in DOS and Mac, it'll work in Linux. External modems always
work. Basically, it has to work with the standard AT-commands.
Soundcard; most of them work. I have both a SB-AWE64 and an SB-128PCI.
Both work nicely. Do a search on the internet for the HCL's of ALSA
and OSS.
(ALSA = Advanced Linux Sound Architecture)
(OSS = Open Sound System)
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:28:07 -0500
From: gLiTcH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: very old laptop as a car mp3 player running linux
Hello Everyone,
I have an old P100, 16 megs of RAM, 810 meg hd all inside of a Toshiba
Satellite laptop. Unfortunately the vid card is going bad (I believe it
has bad RAM) and I can't get a replacement and can't use the computer
anymore as the display gets corrupted due to the bad RAM. Linux is
already on the laptop although I may reinstall if what I'm about to ask
will work.
Does anyone know if Linux can be installed and especially run without
having a video card? I was thinking of removing the card and if I
couldn't rig a replacement which would probably be impossible then
obviously I'd have to do without one. But if I can do without one then
it may be a good contender for a car mp3 player as long as I can hookup
a display to it. I'm still in the preliminary stages of planning this
but I can't think of anything else to use an old laptop for that has a
bad video card.
Thanks for any info.
Brandon
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From: "Sam Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Come to my Linux's Website!
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:54:39 +0800
Come to my Linux's Website!
http://www.asia-comp.net/linuxcity/
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Dual NICs of same type?
From: Manfred Bartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:40:08 GMT
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Will two 3Com 3C905B-TX type PCI NICs play nicely together in a single
> Linux box, or should I get another type of NIC for eth1?
I have two 3C905B in my firewall and never encountered a problem.
The only minor problem I can see is that you may have to figure out
which one is which by either trial and error or by looking at the MAC
(hardware) addresses. And, if you unplug eth0, eth1 becomes eth0....
But those issues are there even if you have different NICs.
> I have a PPro that I use as a router with a 10bt card for my DSL modem
> and a 100bt card to my hub (I wish it was a switch). These work
> well. My new computer is PCI only, just about. I would like another
> 100bt PCI NIC so that I have IPForwarding/Masquerading capability
> before I take the machine to my ISP. The reason for this is that I
> don't want to consume more than one IP address should I add additional
> machines. The machines hanging off of the second NIC can use private
> IP addresses like I use in my home network.
Can't see any reason why that should not work. :)
--
Manfred
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From: "Lewis Foti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Dual NICs of same type?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:50:04 +0100
They play together very nicely on my router box, with no configuration
problems. The box is an P75 running RedHat 6.1. The router is providing a
masquerading gateway for my network as you describe below.
This is the output from ifconfig.
eth0: 3Com 3c900 Boomerang 10Mbps Combo at 0xff00, 00:60:08:14:d9:ca, IRQ
11
8K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/10baseT interface.
Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives.
eth1: 3Com 3c900 Boomerang 10Mbps Combo at 0xfe80, 00:60:08:14:d9:b3, IRQ
10
8K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/10baseT interface.
Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives.
"David Steuber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Will two 3Com 3C905B-TX type PCI NICs play nicely together in a single
> Linux box, or should I get another type of NIC for eth1?
>
> I have a PPro that I use as a router with a 10bt card for my DSL modem
> and a 100bt card to my hub (I wish it was a switch). These work
> well. My new computer is PCI only, just about. I would like another
> 100bt PCI NIC so that I have IPForwarding/Masquerading capability
> before I take the machine to my ISP. The reason for this is that I
> don't want to consume more than one IP address should I add additional
> machines. The machines hanging off of the second NIC can use private
> IP addresses like I use in my home network.
>
> --
> David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
> NRA Member | a hoploholic.
>
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look
+it+up
>
> The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
> --- Devon Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Martin)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Single Linux DHCP machine serving different Network ???
Date: 30 Jul 2000 09:58:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
andrew wrote:
>How to configure the DHCP server to serve two different Class D network?
Class D is multicast. You should never assign individual machines
addresses out of that range.
--
Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
at home, swap dash to dot to email.
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Subject: Re: Oh no!
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:00:06 GMT
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' David Steuber writes:
' > You must be compiling from source then.
'
' No. He's just using Debian. I've also never had a library problem, and I
' started with Debian 1.1.
'
' > That seems to be the most reliable distribution method for Linux.
'
' Second only to dpkg.
Forgive me, but how can any package management scheme be more reliable
than compiling from source? The standard ./configure, make, make
install mantra will tell you early on if you are missing something.
Perhaps you refer to the dpkg ability to fetch dependent files
automagicly for you that I have heard about?
There are some packages, such as WFFT, and NotLAME that may well be
more complicated to build. WFFT because it is written in objective
camel (the don't say if it is bacterin or dromedary) and LAME because
(unless I am out of date and the ISO code has been completely
replaced) it requires patching.
With other languages available for use, building from source can bring
along its own dependancies. The considerate programmer, when the
source is ready for wide spread use, will include a shell script in
./configure to insure that all is available before doing the build.
Package maintainers have similar responsibilities.
The DLL hell that Microsoft puts you through is due to messing with
system files. That is, they do the equivalent of replacing libc with
a different libc instead of adding a new libc with a different version
in the name. I've got libc5, and libc6 (in two patch levels)
coexisting on one of my machines. This helps with RPMs (I think).
It certainly insures that if I compile from source, I will be able to
link against the appropriate libraries.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:00:08 GMT
John Broadhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' David Steuber wrote:
' > Another problem I had was with the UDMA/66 (AKA Utral ATA/66 IDE)
' > ribbon cable that comes with the board. One of the wires was cut. I
' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
'
' Actually don't get mad about this if it's a UDMA-66 cable. For some
' strange reason that's how they're supposed to be.
You're kidding me! Aren't you? The replacement cables that I bought
did not have such a cut. Or is the cut done differently?
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:00:09 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) writes:
' Gads, you get business analysis from an IT trade rag? That's akin to
' using Penthouse as a dating guide.
So *that's* what my problem is all these years!
But then again, when it works, it works! <eg>
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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