Linux-Misc Digest #352, Volume #21 Tue, 10 Aug 99 14:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: brain teaser ("Mathieu Glachant")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (MK)
Re: lower to upper case? (Oliver D. Bedford)
help (adi flenner)
Re: EZ-BIOS and LILO (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: Remote switching between Suse and Redhat (Jayan M)
Re: LOADLIN with RH 6.0 (Jayan M)
lower to upper case? (scable)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Wconnect 0.7.x download? (Norbert Stoop)
force fsck -A on bootup? (benjamin j snyder)
Why everyone can shutdown my Linux box? (Mars)
Re: brain teaser (Larry Ozarow)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Hobbyist �)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Linux assembly, etc (Alexander Viro)
Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS? (Paul Hovnanian)
Re: Real Audio Play for RH 6.0 (Leonard Evens)
apache problems with virtual hosts (Thomas Zenker)
Re: shakiness with ATI Xpert 98 8M ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CIA assassinations (Mike Willett LADS LDN X7563)
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From: "Mathieu Glachant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: brain teaser
Date: 10 Aug 1999 15:30:17 GMT
I second the motion!
--
Matt
Larry Ozarow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans l'article
<jOWr3.18$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Jeff Trisoliere wrote:
> >>
> >> What is the most commonly used MS-DOS command? Hint it's still used in
> >> Windows NT and does not work at the Netware server console. Hint 2:
This
> >> command is also available in Linux, the command does a different
> >> function in NT as it does in DOS or Linux and this command can be
> >> disabled in Linux.
> >
> >
> >
> > cd?
> >
> > Hummm........
> >
> >
>
> Is it ctr-alt-del?
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:30:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 09 Aug 1999 23:05:24 -0400, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> or MacOS wouldn't you have to keep your trap shut and run Unix as
>> you are being forced to run Windows where you work? Answer me
>> that one. You can only blabber about it because your preferred OS
>> is not the one being used by your employees.
>yes, but i cannot choose my employer based on what computer system i
>get. they *all* want me to use microsoft windows.
I don't think so -- there are employers using other operating systems,
after all. If employer has NT + windows workstations or Unix +
Xterminals, the employer "forces" you to choose either environment
to work on, obviously.
>> I hardly use a computer where I work but my profession involves
>> the use of a lot of instrumentation which exists in diverse forms
>> of varying qualities etc. I have to use what instruments that are
>> presented to me because this is what the company purchased to be
>> used. I may be lucky in convincing them to change to another
>> instrument but I don't usually hold my breath where that is
>> concerned.
>exactly. you're forced to use what they ask you to use.
Gee, and I thought that this pertains most of tools in most
of businesses in the world.
Marcin Krol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oliver D. Bedford)
Subject: Re: lower to upper case?
Date: 10 Aug 1999 16:56:56 +0200
scable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In bash, tcsh, or csh, is there a way -- be it a builtin, a utility, or
> some way of writing a script -- to take an arbitrary string input and
> turn it into a string whose letters are all upper case? I know this can
> be done in zsh, but I don't have access to it. Thanks for your help.
M-u in bash. See man bash for details.
Oliver
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From: adi flenner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:55:50 -0700
where can I find the latest version of slackware ?
adi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: EZ-BIOS and LILO
Date: 10 Aug 1999 15:22:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Clapp wrote:
>1) Install EZ-BIOS onto MBR.
>
>2) Make a small (16 Mb should be plenty unless you do lots of kernel
>development) partition first on the disk (it must be the first primary
>partition), and make it active. You can mount this as /boot so kernel
>images are always below the 1024 cylinder boundary.
That's always a good idea. As I showed in the old mini-HOWTO, if your
boot partitions (/boot and C:) end before cylinder 1024, you don't need
EZ-BIOS or EZ-Drove or OnTrack Disk Manager. There's no need for
BIOS to see the whole drive.
>Install lilo onto
>the start of this partition (e.g. /dev/hda1)
This boot sequence is shown in the User Guide, I think.
BIOS launches EZ-BIOS which launches LILO which launches your
choice of chain.b (to Win-95/98) or Linux.
>Windows [95 OEM Service Pack 1] can go on the second partition
Which is restricted to below cylinder 1024 if you are not using
EZ-BIOS etc.
>The only quirks I've noticed are:
>
>1) Windows (95 OEM 1) still doesn't realise the disk is bigger than 8Mb
>- well the fdisk on the boot disk sees it the right size, but won't let
>me put partitions there.
>
>2) Linux doesn't _need_ EZ-BIOS - it can still see the whole disk anyway
>(albeit with possibly different geometry)
That's why I described installing Linux under EZ-BIOS's geometry.
If Linux and Microsoft don't use the same "geometry," they clobber each
other's file systems.
Cameron
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From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Remote switching between Suse and Redhat
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:33:13 GMT
It's not quite clear what your problem is:
I'm assuming that you are trying to switch between the
two distros by renaming/changing the lilo.conf,
running lilo and rebooting remotely.
Question: Do you have separate '/boot' directories
and separate kernel and related files in both of them?
If yes, try to create a small partition (50MB or so)
for each distro within the first 1024 cylinders, and
move the /boot areas there. Edit the /etc/fstab to point
to the new partitions
example: /boot pointing to /dev/hda1 for the debian
/boot pointing to /dev/hda2 in the redhat setup.
move stuff appropriately, and rerun lilo on both.
this should prevent the 1024 limit message..
(this is kind of the 'boot into msdos prompt scenario'
with windoze, right?)
Jayan
Michael Scheferhoff wrote:
> Hello,
>
> my problem is: I have a 17 GB harddisk, partitioned like this:
>
> hda1: 60 MB Swap
> hda2: 1GB Suse Linux
> hda3: 1GB Redhat Linux
> hda4: 14,... the rest
>
> I would like to be able to switch remote between these two operating
> systems, because this PC is administered remote and does not have a
> floppy or keyboard. If Suse is booted it is no Problem to edit the
> lilo.conf that way, that Redhat is booted. If I then booted Rehat and
> try to write lilo taht way, that Suse is booted again, I always get to
> message, that lilo is not able to be written because of the 1024
> cylinder limit, although I put the redhat kernel on the Suse partition.
>
> One solution is a course to create one kernel for both, btu there has to
> be another solution.
>
> Someone told me that there is the possibility to tell lilo, which system
> is booted the next time, but I can't find this.
>
> I hope that someone can help me.
>
> Michael
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From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOADLIN with RH 6.0
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:56:16 GMT
you have to copy the vmlinuz (kernel) also
to the C: (doze) drive. look at lilo.conf to see
which is the file your linux boot is using.
It may be something like '/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.5-5'
or similar.. Copy this file to the doze drive along with
loadlin ( and rename it to VMLINUZ for the
classic 8.3 feature)
use loadlin as 'loadlin vmlinuz root=/dev/xxx where
xxx is your linux root partition.
Have fun..
Jayan
Robin Becker wrote:
> My RH 6.0 installed Lilo by default. The boss wants the old style
> Win9x/NT method back (ie using the config.sys boot menu). What should I
> copy across to c:/loadlin from the /boot area. I assume that
> uninstalling Lilo will restore the original mbr (boot.003 or whatever).
> --
> Robin Becker
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From: scable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lower to upper case?
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:12:40 -0500
In bash, tcsh, or csh, is there a way -- be it a builtin, a utility, or
some way of writing a script -- to take an arbitrary string input and
turn it into a string whose letters are all upper case? I know this can
be done in zsh, but I don't have access to it. Thanks for your help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:39:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10 Aug 1999 13:49:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
wrote:
>>Who says that anything gets resources because it just "deserves"
>>them? That's paying for _needs_, not _effects_. Hint: if you pay for
>>something, you get more of it. The system worked as long as
>>there were more people paying for it than people who used it.
>>S.s., healthcare and other nationalized enteprises basically are a
>>ponzi scheme. Eventually, it _has_ to fail. We're seeing it now.
><rolleyes> Nobody ever argued that health care was free. Taxpayers
>or citizens pay for it in one way or the other. Of course, it /does/
>fail if the taxpayers cease paying for it. But that's so bloody
>fucking obvious, it's utterly irrelevant.
Is the fact that all such schemes are basically ponzi schemes
guraanteed to eventually fail also irrelevant?
Also, is the fact that the more is being paid for needs, not for
effects and needs booming and money shrinking.
>The advantage of a nationalized health care system is the elimination
>of bureaucracy, elimination of competition and redundancy, elimination
>of much profiteering by corporations, doctors and hospitals.
ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL
Maybe you talk about planet Xyzzy, but definitely not about planet
Earth! On planet Earth, precisely proliferation of bureaucracy and
poor and expensive management of health care is what is hallmark of
nationalized healthcare.
>This is
>why a nationalized scheme *MUST* be cheaper.
Your "must be" is basically because you say so. The problem is,
it plain is not that way. Try UK, France, most of Europe, basically
any country with nationalized healthcare. Same problem.
>And that's why it is.
It is not.
>>>They are now busy doing the same damn thing to the
>>>education system.
>>
>>I'd attribute that rather to the fact that it _can't_ work
>>as expected in the long run.
>Only because you expect it to work on no money whatsoever.
Or rather you are talking nonsense -- what does it mean, to "expect it
to work on no money whatsoever"? The regular practice
seems to be the best option -- buy health insurance from the insurance
company, which then covers the bill. So far there's nothing better
than this.
>>> This goes beyond a shame, its a national disgrace.
>>
>>There's nothing to be ashamed about really; if it were just
>>British, you could say things like that. But this kind of "solution"
>>fails _everywhere_. It just can't work. Not in UK, nor anywhere
>>else really.
>And where the hell is "everywhere"? The UK, US, Canada, Australia
>and New Zealand? All the fucked up right-wing anglo-american nations!!
And whole Europe. And Russia. And CE. Basically, the whole civilized
world. There are problems with it all the time. It just can't work.
Centralized management is passe. It plain does not work.
Marcin Krol
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:18:25 +0200
From: Norbert Stoop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wconnect 0.7.x download?
Hello
I've just downloaded connectd by Nicolas Chauvat and it works fine. I
also need the Windows 95/NT client software called Wconnect, but I can't
access the homepage (Peter Miller, freespace.virgin.net). Does somebody
know where I can get the client?
Thanks
Norbert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (benjamin j snyder)
Subject: force fsck -A on bootup?
Date: 10 Aug 1999 14:29:33 GMT
I recently installed RH6.0 on my machine (intel), and occasionally can't start
X. I was wondering if anyone else had a similar problem. I downloaded the
image and made a cd, which was a day or two before I saw it on the shelves.
Could it be that I have a buggy image?
Whenever X fails to start I log out and fsck -A the drive. It finds errors
like duplicate blocks and incorrect counts on blocks/inodes etc. If I restart
the machine after this and log in normally it works fine. I'd say this happens
2 or 3 out of every 10 times I try to start X.
I plan on getting a later image and making a new cd, but I need a go around
until I have time to do that (I'm a full time college student) and was
wondering if I could force fsck -A on bootup (and make it automatically fix
errors). I know this will take longer, but at least it will be more consistant
acting.
Could this be a bad HDD? I wouldnt think so since it CAN fix the errors and
work fine for a while.
Thanks in advance to those who reply.
--
Ben Snyder
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From: Mars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Why everyone can shutdown my Linux box?
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:18:44 +0800
In RH 6.0, there is /usr/bin/shutdown link to consolehelper and every
user can shutdown the system. I see the man page of consolehelper and
userhelper and can't find any info how to modify the behaviour. I guess
I should modify /etc/pam.d/shutdown. Temporarily I just rename the
/usr/bin/shutdown. Anyone could give me some hints?
Regards,
Mars
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Ozarow)
Subject: Re: brain teaser
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:37:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jeff Trisoliere wrote:
>>
>> What is the most commonly used MS-DOS command? Hint it's still used in
>> Windows NT and does not work at the Netware server console. Hint 2: This
>> command is also available in Linux, the command does a different
>> function in NT as it does in DOS or Linux and this command can be
>> disabled in Linux.
>
>
>
> cd?
>
> Hummm........
>
>
Is it ctr-alt-del?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hobbyist �)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:24:40 -0400
On 10 Aug 1999 10:45:02 -0400, Johan Kullstam wrote these
sagacious words :
: > I agreed to take the Job remember? Tell me about any employer who
: > allows their employees to use whatever material they want to
: > whenever they want to? Therefore, almost all employers fit your
: > description of forcing their employees .... Tough isn't it but
: > that sort os thing is hardly confined to windows is it?
:
: i guess when a robber points a gun towards you and says `your money or
: your life' you'd insist that you have a choice. maybe in a technical
: sense you do, but, for practical intents and purposes, you are forced
: to give up your money. giving up your life simply isn't a viable
: option[1].
That's unfair and rather silly parallel situation that your
proposing.
Read my next statement below :
> The crux of the matter is:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Whenever _you_ are in control and are therefore in a position
to
> make the decision of what OS to use such as in your home or on
> your own network, does M$ force you to use their products?
> The answer to that of course is an emphatic NO.
Why do you keep ignoring _your_ power of choice when it is you
who are in control. What operating system do you use at home
where you're in control. I used OS/2 for 18 months. No M$ man
came knocking at my door during that period.
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:45:02 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hobbyist �) writes:
> On 09 Aug 1999 23:05:24 -0400, Johan Kullstam wrote these
> sagacious words :
>
> : yes, but i cannot choose my employer based on what computer system i
> : get. they *all* want me to use microsoft windows.
>
> That's because Windows is the dominant OS.
>
> : > I hardly use a computer where I work but my profession involves
> : > the use of a lot of instrumentation which exists in diverse forms
> : > of varying qualities etc. I have to use what instruments that are
> : > presented to me because this is what the company purchased to be
> : > used. I may be lucky in convincing them to change to another
> : > instrument but I don't usually hold my breath where that is
> : > concerned.
> :
> : exactly. you're forced to use what they ask you to use.
>
> I agreed to take the Job remember? Tell me about any employer who
> allows their employees to use whatever material they want to
> whenever they want to? Therefore, almost all employers fit your
> description of forcing their employees .... Tough isn't it but
> that sort os thing is hardly confined to windows is it?
i guess when a robber points a gun towards you and says `your money or
your life' you'd insist that you have a choice. maybe in a technical
sense you do, but, for practical intents and purposes, you are forced
to give up your money. giving up your life simply isn't a viable
option[1].
> : > The crux of the matter is:
> : > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : >
> : > Whenever _you_ are in control and are therefore in a position to
> : > make the decision of what OS to use such as in your home or on
> : > your own network, does M$ force you to use their products?
> : >
> : > The answer to that of course is an emphatic NO.
> :
> : yes they do. silly people send me e-mail in ms-word. websites with
> : ms internet-explorer only access. because microsoft is so pervasive
> : sharing files and information so important and microsoft can never
> : seem to adhere to any standards, many are forced into using these
> : products. it's not microsoft who *directly* force me, but the world.
>
> Yes, you have hit the point. You are having trouble with the
> world, not Redmond. If you don't lighten up, you'll soon be
> taking regular lithium in a padded room.
redmond isn't exactly innocent in all this. they realize where they
are and exploit their position fully. no one would expect them not
to. however, what is good for redmond, isn't necessarily good for the
user/consumer.
the problem is that the market is failing to produce optimum results.
consider the software market. it is extreme in that
1) most of the cost is non-recuring initial development. (writing the
software costs, stamping out cd-roms is nearly free.)
2) the value of the product to the user/customer increases as more
people use it. (sharing files and information is important.)
a popular product has low cost when ammortized over many
installations. the value is high when many people use it.
therefore, once a product becomes dominant it is nearly impossible to
dislodge. the standard axioms assumed by classical economists do not
hold for software. the market is failing to produce optimum results.
what do you do when the market doesn't work? usually, you invoke the
government. this has been done for the armed forces, public education
&c. the government isn't very good at optimizing returns, but
sometimes there isn't a better alternative.
[1] by definition of viable.
--
johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Linux assembly, etc
Date: 10 Aug 1999 12:37:56 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>if you mean that i can't just have a stray pointer in a user program
>go off and tinker with kernel data then, yes it's inaccessible. i
>wish shared libs were also inaccessible in this way too. writing to
>internal structures that do not belong to you is usually a mistake
>(which would be nice to have trapped) or bad style.
Protection granularity is one page. And UNIX assumes two protection levels.
Which is all that x86 gives, BTW - 4 rings are there only if you are working
with segments.
--
Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in ASR
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Paul Hovnanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux A Memory Hogging OS?
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:21:24 GMT
Donal K. Fellows wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Someone suggested that the temperature of the CPU increases as
> > the CPU usage increases. By his reasoning, the larger the idle
> > time, the cooler the CPU will be. How true is this?
>
> This is definitely true for virtually all CPUs currently in use[*] and
> is particularly the case in CPUs in use in the embedded market,
I'm no expert on this subject, but might the CPU power use at idle
depend on exactlt what the OS does in its idle loop? In order to
truly idle the CPU, the OS can't just have the scheduler running
something in a loop. That would keep the CPU awake.
--
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real Audio Play for RH 6.0
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:32:14 -0500
"Christopher R. Redinger" wrote:
>
> Kelvin Leung wrote:
> >
> > Yes, there is a alpha version of G2 from real.com, I forget the URL,
> > anyone knows? It's in www.real.com.
> >
> > Kelvin
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ralph Blach
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > is there a real audio player for Redhat 6.0 yet?
> > >
> > > Chip
>
> I've got the alpha G2 installed, but I'm wondering how in the world to
> get netscape to recognize that there is a plugin available for
> RealPlayer files? I've done the setup like they describe in their FAQ to
> tell netscape about a helper application for the mimetypes, but Netscape
> still tells me I don't have a plugin available for the
> audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin mimetype.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Christopher
> http://www.broadcastmusic.com
I found when I went to set up netscape that there already was
an entry with the above mime type. But the instructions from
Real Audio tell you to use the mime type
audio/x-pn-realaudio
Of course you also have to specify the program to call
which I think should be
/usr/lib/RealPlayerG2/realplay %s
but you can browse for it.
Make sure you don't have multiple entries for the G2 mime type
in netscape applications.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Thomas Zenker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apache problems with virtual hosts
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:14:02 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I'm running SuSE Linux 6.1.
I installed apache-1.3.4-21 out of the (suse)box. Afterwards I installed
mysql (still from the suse distribution).
Now the problem:
If I run it with the default httpd.conf file, ist works ok but if I
start apache with a virtual host section (name based) I get the message:
sqlinit: dbroot must be set !!
I start (or better SuSE does) apache with:
/usr/sbin/httpd -f /etc/httpd/httpd.conf -D SSL
I checked the apache docs and the mysql docs, but I couldn't find
anything.
Can someone point me to the right direction?
Thanks for any help
Have a nice day
thom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: shakiness with ATI Xpert 98 8M
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:15:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I knew someone that had this problem and it turned out to be
> interference getting to the monitor.
>
> I know this sounds crazy, but he took a piece of carboard
> and wrapped it with aluminum foil and put it between the
> monitor (or the tower, I can't remember) and the
> interference (had to hunt for the best place).
>
> The foil acted as a shield and stopped the shaking.
>
> I know it sounds kinda goofy, but it just might work.
>
> PEACE
This is good advice. From my experience working in a hardware lab on
video display cards for SGI workstations, the video noise at the ends of
horizontal display lines is usually caused by electrical/magnetic
interference from nearby devices such as switching power supplies, power
transformers, crummy cables, desktop fans, etc.
My two cents....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Willett LADS LDN X7563)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 10 Aug 1999 18:00:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK) writes:
>On 10 Aug 1999 13:49:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
>wrote:
>
>>The advantage of a nationalized health care system is the elimination
>>of bureaucracy, elimination of competition and redundancy, elimination
>>of much profiteering by corporations, doctors and hospitals.
>
>ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL
>
>Maybe you talk about planet Xyzzy, but definitely not about planet
>Earth! On planet Earth, precisely proliferation of bureaucracy and
>poor and expensive management of health care is what is hallmark of
>nationalized healthcare.
I think I must reply to this. I know a fair bit about the UK health
system and whilst it has problems (who's doesn't). It does NOT
suffer from the beaurocracy that occurs in countries that have
a private health system, especially the US.
The amount the tax payer spends on health in the Uk is about a quarter
of that spent in the US. Whilst it is true that the US pay for a higher
level of health that the UK they do not get four times the level
than in the UK.
It appears that you have got hooked on your own belief of everything
run by a govt must be bureauocratic this isn't always the case. There
are other problems which you would do better highlight if you considered
your arguments for carefully.
>
>>This is
>>why a nationalized scheme *MUST* be cheaper.
>
>Your "must be" is basically because you say so. The problem is,
>it plain is not that way. Try UK, France, most of Europe, basically
>any country with nationalized healthcare. Same problem.
Whilst a nationalised scheme isn't always cheaper it is in the UK.
(However, the figures are hard to analyse).
>>And that's why it is.
>
>It is not.
>
>>And where the hell is "everywhere"? The UK, US, Canada, Australia
>>and New Zealand? All the fucked up right-wing anglo-american nations!!
>
>And whole Europe. And Russia. And CE. Basically, the whole civilized
>world. There are problems with it all the time. It just can't work.
>Centralized management is passe. It plain does not work.
Now you raise a completely different pointi. Most right-wingers
equate nationalisation with centralised management. This is plain
wrong! (Most companies including sucessful ones are centralised).
Curiously this is where I might have an agreement with you coz I
also think that nationalisation and centralisation leads problems.
However, solutions might be found by de-centralising.
Think about a de-centralised, nationalised system.
Or think of a franchiased health system.
Or think of a mutualised health system.
Life isn't black and white!!
Mike
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