Linux-Misc Digest #476, Volume #21 Fri, 20 Aug 99 12:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions) ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
Re: How to Acess Directory with a space in the Name? (Michael Perry)
Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions) ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
Sound help needed (JERE WAMBLE)
How to bring ctrl-alt-del back? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
eCos dev on Linux? (Doug DeJulio)
RE: News reader program (Chris Morton)
missing module ("Kurt V. Hindenburg")
WordPerfect on 24 bit visual? (Grant Edwards)
Re: DSL Dialup (Atlanta and vicinity) ("Tim Hall")
ANSI terminal F-keys ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Problems compiling 2.2.11 kernel (kernel upgrade fro 2.0.36) (Michael Perry)
Re: No core file (IceLava)
Re: Any free SQL server available? (Dustin Puryear)
PIM/addressbook? (Matt McClure)
Real player G2 installed but? (Paul)
Re: Comparison needed: *BSD vs. Linux (William Burrow)
Re: [Q] Parallel port access program permission (William Burrow)
Re: maximal mount count - how do you set it? (William Burrow)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions)
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 04:49:09 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernhard Reiter) writes:
> On 19 Aug 1999 09:22:51 +0100, Richard Kettlewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernhard Reiter) writes:
> >
> >> People don't know Objective-C enough.
> >> Easier to learn and NeXTStep was written in it.
> >
> >Where can one find documentation for the language?
>
> http://www.santafe.edu/projects/swarm/ObjC/objective-c.html
>
> I was told that Brad Cox's book about it contains too much advertisment,
> because he wanted to sell his Stepstone Compiler. The NeXT documentation
> was pretty okay from what I recall.
> Bernhard
I have some objc crap at my mebsite
http://web3.foxinternet.net/jik-
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to Acess Directory with a space in the Name?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:16:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:32:21 GMT, Niann Shiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>During a mysterical process of debugging, I took out a "login" file,
>which looks like a piece of garbage, from /bin directory and put it in
>a temperatory dir created under kde. What a mistake ! I could not
>login to the root account anymore. Anything I typed seems to sink into
>deep sea. Worse than that is the directory I created under kde has a
>space in the dir name and emergency booting does not allow me to
>access the dir. Any advice ?
Access things with spaces in their names using quotes around them.
--
Michael Perry - "No one can give you wiser advice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .o O than yourself" -Cicero
' )
\ Gnome: at www.gnome.org!!
\ _) where happiness is a state of foot.
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions)
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 04:48:16 -0700
Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > * As a special exception, the Free Software Foundation gives permission
> > > * for additional uses of the text contained in its release of GUILE.
> > > *
> > > * The exception is that, if you link the GUILE library with other files
> > > * to produce an executable, this does not by itself cause the
> > > * resulting executable to be covered by the GNU General Public License.
> > > * Your use of that executable is in no way restricted on account of
> > > * linking the GUILE library code into it.
> >
> > So what the hell does this mean exactly? What can be proprietery and
> > what cannot?
>
> You use the code, you have to GPL, you link, you can use whatever
> license you want.
>
> So, I grab libguile source and hack it up. If I distribute, gotta GPL
> it, without or without the exception. If I write a web server and
> want to link against libguile to support server side scripting, I can
> do that and release the webserver under whatever license I please.
What about the script?
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From: JERE WAMBLE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux.slakware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Sound help needed
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:25:47 GMT
I have a pnp ess 1869 card and I have had no seccess in getting it to
work. However, I do seem to have made one small step on the road. I
don't know exactly how I did it, but I recompiled and when I boot up i
see something to the effect
ESS003 ess1869 card at Blah-blah location is ok.
also, some other line that says the card is ok.
However, I don't have any luck past there. When I check /dev/audio, I
see the file there, but when I try to cat a file to it , I get the
message
"/dev/audio-no such device"
I suppose this might be the problem, but not sure if it is the one, or
the only one. I don't know what to do from here. I am not familiar wit
the MAKDEV, or whatever, or even if I need to use it since the file is
there, but not initialized.
If someone could help, I would really appreciate it. It would sure help
get further away from Windows. I have Slackware 4.0, with KDE. I have
had sound working on another computer with Slackware 3.6, but no luck
here. I do NOT really understand isapnp, but my tinkering around with it
might be okay since I see the messages above on bootup.
Any help appreciated. If possible, please reply directly as well as to
the list to;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jere Wamble
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to bring ctrl-alt-del back?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:02:45 GMT
Hi I tried repquota after enabled quota for users on my RH6.0(off the CD)
yesterday and the command became a "D" process with system load going
all the way up to infinite, so I had to press that big red button. And
after that, I guess I screwed up the file system somehow when I was trying
to repair it. Anyway,when I finally got the system back(/etc/fstab was
corrupted, thank god I made a backup before!), the reboot key combinition
ctrl-alt-del didn't work! Well it still works in console mode(at least
in single user mode), but doesn't in an X terminal window, I'm guessing
there is some configuration file describing this hot key combo and this
file was corrupted also(geez so many files were corrupted, my gnome
session and window maker session files, for example), but where is that?
Can somebody point me the right place to look at?
BTW, when I open a file using vi, if it opens but shows "last line
incomplete", does that in general mean that the file has been corrupted?
Thanks in advance.
PS: I'm using GNOME with WindowMaker0.60.0,the ctrl-alt-del doesn't work,
it doesn't work either under KDE.
And, thanks for the folks who gave some suggestions on how to make
the screen saver under GNOME, although none of them worked so far,
I appreciate the help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug DeJulio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: eCos dev on Linux?
Date: 20 Aug 1999 10:21:00 -0400
Does anyone know anything about eCos (an embedded OS from Cygnus
that's under an MPL-like license) development on Linux boxes? I've
looked on Deja and haven't found many references.
We're considering porting some software to eCos, but we don't want to
purchase an embedded development board for this purpose until we've
gagued the feasability of the project by building a software
prototype. So I'm not only interested in cross-compilers and
debuggers, but in an emulated environment for running eCos and related
software.
I would think some of the ELKS folks would pay close attention to
eCos, and Cygnus and Linux have a deep relationship (because of gcc),
so I though it would be worth asking here.
(Don't feel that you have to reply to me personally -- I do read the
newsgroups, and others will probably be interested in any answers.)
--
Doug DeJulio | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HKS, Incorporated | http://www.hks.net/~ddj/
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From: Chris Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: News reader program
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:01:46 -0400
Although the subject HAS been raised in the Agent newsgroup in usenet.
Maybe someday... after an updated Windows version (which they say is
coming).
=====Original Message=====
From: Aaron Ginn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 6:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: News reader program
Message from the Deja.com forum:
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cedric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is there a news reader program such as Forte Agent for Linux?
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are many newsreaders for Linux, but Forte Agent is not one of
them.
These include slrn, trn, Netscape, and my newsreader of choice, gnus
running
under XEmacs. Personally, I think gnus is the most powerful newsreader
for
_any_ platform, including anything under Windows, because it is totally
customizable. If you have emacs or xemacs, you've already got gnus.
Check
out http://www.gnus.org for more info.
Aaron
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From: "Kurt V. Hindenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: missing module
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:23:16 GMT
I'm getting the following error on startup:
:can't load module: char-major-108
If I remember correctly, an alias has to go
in some file...don't remember which file or
what the alias should be...any help or
pointer appreciated.
Kurt
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From: grant@nowhere. (Grant Edwards)
Subject: WordPerfect on 24 bit visual?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:05:24 GMT
I decided to try out WordPerfect, and overall it seems decent.
However, I normally run 24bpp at home (ATI Rage 128 w/ SVGA
server) and none of the bitmaps work (buttons just have gray
hash on them). At work it runs fine with a 24 bit visual (ATI
Mach32 w/ mach32 server).
Why does WP work on one X server and not the other, when
they're both set up as 24 bpp truecolor?
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Fold, fold,
at FOLD!! FOLDING many items!!
visi.com
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From: "Tim Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: DSL Dialup (Atlanta and vicinity)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:16:37 -0400
Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> This may be off topic. However, I have a friend who has no connection
> to the Internet and resides in the out skirt of the city of Atlanta
> would like to put his business on the Internet. He already has a nic
> sub-domain for his company. He insists on using Linux as his main WEB,
> DNS, sQL, and some other servers. What he would like to know is the
> pros and cons of having a DSL connection/service provided by a local ISP
> as compared to the local phone company (Bell South) that also provides a
> DSL service.
>
> Any comment is certainly a welcome.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> PS> Remove the "4" from e-mail address to respond.
I just had a DSL connection installed. When I was looking for providers I
called Bell Atlantic (which had by far the cheapest service) and was told I
was too far from the central office for service.
I then contactd Verio. They use equipment different from BA and could
provide service to my location. They quoted me DSL 416KB service and would
handle the installation of a new phone line.
What a nightmare this turned out to be. Instead of a 3 week installation
time, it took 11 weeks to get service. I turns out that Verio uses
Northpoint Communications to handle the data connection while Verio serves
as the ISP. Northpoint then contracts with BA for the line and some other
installation company to actually install the line jack and router. What a
MESS ! I had 5 techs visit me. (4 from BA)
To be fair, once everything was installed the service is quite good.
Anyway, the lesson learned from this is to ask a LOT of questions, who, what
and when about the installation, router, ISP, etc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ANSI terminal F-keys
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:02:03 GMT
I need to ANSI Telnet access with color, support for cursor keys and
F1-F12 keys. I was trying to use kvt from KDE, xterm and konsole, but
neither of these support F-keys. I scanned Text Console HOWTO which
seems to stress I must use specific terminal emulation program and not
play with TERM variable. I can Telnet with F-keys fine from MS Windows
using just standard ANSI terminal, but I would prefer to access from
Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Problems compiling 2.2.11 kernel (kernel upgrade fro 2.0.36)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:55:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:43:25 -0400, Rajesh Radhakrishnan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I followed the instructions given to me some people (on the newsgroups)
>and from redhat's kernel upgrade webpage. The compilation stoppped and I
>get the following error message,
>
>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.11/arch/i386/boot'
>gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -E -D__BIG_KERNEL__
>-traditional -DSVGA_MODE=NORMAL_VGA boots\
>ect.S -o bbootsect.s
>as86 -0 -a -o bbootsect.o bbootsect.s
>make[1]: as86: Command not found
>make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.11/arch/i386/boot'
>make: *** [bzImage] Error 2
>
>I don't have 'as86' on my system (RedHat 5.2) but another assembler
>'as'. I tried replacing 'as86' with 'as' in the Makefile but 'as' has no
>'-O' option and if I remove '-O' I get more errors.
>
>What should I do.
>
>Thanks
>Rajesh
Try ensuring that you have the bin86 rpm installed.
--
Michael Perry - "No one can give you wiser advice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .o O than yourself" -Cicero
' )
\ Gnome: at www.gnome.org!!
\ _) where happiness is a state of foot.
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From: IceLava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: No core file
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:39:14 +1000
actually wat's the use of a core file? all the core files I've examined
is less informative than the lost clusters i get in Windows. I believe
it's a memory dump of the location where error has occurred?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: Re: Any free SQL server available?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:09:55 GMT
On 19 Aug 1999 13:22:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug DeJulio) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>What's the deal with accessing PostgreSQL from Access and other
>>Windows products? Any ODBC support?
>
>The short answer: Yeup.
>
>The longer answer: check out http://www.postgresql.org/ for details.
>
>The very first item under "User Client Questions" in the FAQ is "Are
>there ODBC drivers for PostgreSQL?", and there's more than one -- and
>one of them gets you ODBC access via Unix, VMS, MacOS, *and* Windows
>ODBC drivers.
Well, okay then. :)
---
Dustin Puryear
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Matt McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PIM/addressbook?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:38:24 -0400
Is there a good PIM/addressbook with the following features:
- not dependent on other packages
- easy printing (or saving as a pleasing-to-the-eye text file)
- capable of importing/exporting LDIF files?
Thanks,
Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul)
Subject: Real player G2 installed but?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:14:23 GMT
I installed Real player but don`t seem to be able to run the program,
and don`t seem to be able to find where it is on my system!
If i try to re-install i get the message "program already installed!
How can i find it??
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Comparison needed: *BSD vs. Linux
Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:45:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 Aug 1999 16:52:06 +0900,
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow) writes:
>> dpkg is convenient, ports is magical.
>
>What does that mean, `always does the right thing even in unusual
>circumstance', or `cross your fingers because there's no hope of
>actually figuring out what's going on'?
Nah, because it does the right thing to start with. The package is
built on your system from source. This is a POV thing. ;)
>Of course, `lays claim to being' and `is' are two very, very different
>things. I was under the impression that one of `OpenBSD's main
>strengths was sending out lots of press releases...
IMHO, when it comes to security, there is no `is' -- especially on
something like Unix that is adding more stuff every day.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: [Q] Parallel port access program permission
Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:24:39 +0900,
YANAGIHARA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Why not trying to read and write from /dev/lp0? Is your parallel port
>>not supported?
>The device which is connected to parallel port is not
>printer. It is a original electronic circuit board of my
>own making, so transaction protocol is different to printer.
>So I thought that inb/outb oparation is easier than opening
>/dev/lp0.
I think the newer 2.3 kernel has added something that lets you control
the parallel port better than /dev/lp0. See on Kernel Threads if it is
useful to you:
http://www.kt.opensource.org/
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: maximal mount count - how do you set it?
Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:52:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 Aug 1999 05:36:52 GMT,
John McKown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Look at the documentation on the tune2fs command. You can set a number
>of parameters for a filesystem using that little honey. The only negative
>that I can see, is that you cannot change the parameters of a filesystem
>which is mounted read/write. So I'm not sure how you could change the
>parameters for the root filesystem.
You can remount the filesystem as read-only. Of course, some badly
written Unix software may crap out depending on how your system is
setup. Personally, I tune the filesystems after booting from a rescue
floppy.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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