Linux-Misc Digest #573, Volume #21 Sat, 28 Aug 99 19:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: SCSI tape drive suggestions? (Ron Gibson)
Linux wholesalers or distributors? (Paul Sian)
Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX? (Pas Moi)
Re: quick tar question (Adrian Hands)
Re: Any Voodoo 3000 (OEM) drivers for Linux ? (Adrian Hands)
Re: ppp problems (Laurent Paumier)
Re: win95 & linux (Stuart Herd)
Re: CD-RW backup (Frank Hahn)
Parallel Port Scanner HowTo ? (Michael Tyka)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Jan Panteltje)
BIOS: booting Linux from external floppy. (Neil Zanella)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? ("Max Reason")
Re: Can Linux read NTFS? (Leejay Wu)
Compiling the Kernel. (Cesar da Silva)
visacalc for linux/unix or freeware clone? (B'ichela)
Re: Compiling kernel trouble (NF Stevens)
Re: *nix vs. MS security ("Clifton T. Sharp Jr.")
Re: Best language for graphical apps? ("Max Reason")
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Kaz Kylheku)
Re: WWW e-mail interface? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux wholesalers or distributors? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Compiling the Kernel. (Mark Presley)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? ("Max Reason")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Gibson)
Subject: Re: SCSI tape drive suggestions?
Date: 28 Aug 1999 20:25:54 GMT
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:50:59, Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Gibson) writes:
> > I found two sites that specializes in refurbished drives with warranties
> > whose prices rival that you can find on taking a risk on ebay.
>
> Maybe you'll get one of mine. I was worrying if Linux was to blame
> until, finally, five months later, the fourth one worked. There's a
> repair depot I don't care to deal with again. All kinds of silly rules about
> packing, will only accept delivery by one particular shipper, delays, etc.
> I shouldn't have violated my custom of buying either the best (HP,
> Exebyte?) or the cheapos from the warehouse store, though that Seagate
> model was pretty cheap. It'd sure be nice if some big tape drive users
> or sellers could publish some statistics on reliability.
Not this boy. I've had it with tape drives. It's starting to look like
a racket to me.I'm a mechanical engineer and I feel that the cost of
these things for a glorified cassette deck is obscene. I went to a
removable rack mount for a HDD and I'm a happy camper. Rack mount and
drive (6.4 Gig) for $150, about what media and software would cost never
mind the tape drive, which *might* work. And if either drive fails I can
be
going in about 15 minutes if I wanted. Of course unless I'm doing a
backup I keep the removable stored. Spin it up on occasion just in case
to keep the bearing surfaces from seizing.
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Sian)
Subject: Linux wholesalers or distributors?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:49:48 GMT
I run a medium sized computer store and have been getting many requests to
build custom linux boxes and people wanting to buy linux software.
Problem is my local wholesaler only has red hat 5.0 linux and nothing else
linux related. Are there any wholesalers I can access online to get a
more varied assortment of linux based products?
Thanks for any help.
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Subject: Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX?
From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:57:21 GMT
>> "GG" == Gilbert Groehn wrote on Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:08:43 -0400:
GG> Does anyone make a HTML editor similar to MS 'Front Page' for
GG> LINUX ?
if you want front page, why don't you just use that? linux is not a
freeware windows clone, but something different.
try vi or emacs. emacs has some nice features for html editing.
ciao,
g.y.
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: quick tar question
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:47:44 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mladen Gavrilovic wrote:
>
> Sorry to post this, but I've been unable to find a solution even after
> reading and rereading over and over again the man page for tar... it's a
> little unclear.
>
> Does anyone know what command to use to add files to an archive? For
> example, if I have a file called updates.tar.gz, how would I add *rpm to
> this archive?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mladen
You can use "-r" to append to an archive, but not a gz'ed archive.
$ gunzip updates.tar.gz
$ tar -rvf updates.tar somenewfile
$ gzip updates.tar
$ tar -tvzf updates.tar.gz
-rw------- adrian/adrian 18007 1999-01-01 10:26 COPYING
...
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Any Voodoo 3000 (OEM) drivers for Linux ?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:55:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Steven K. Iinuma" wrote:
My son has it working on his RedHat 6.0 system.
He downloaded a Voodoo3-enabled replacement for /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA
from:
http://glide.xxedgexx.com/3DfxRPMS_vb_glibc.html
Also, make sure your color depth (bpp) isn't set too low.
There, better now? Now you can remove that 98 partition.
>
> I'm running a dual boot Win 98/RH 6.0 Linux with Kernel 2.2.5-22.
> I was wondering if there are any Linux drivers besides the generic
> XFree86 (3.3.3.5) drivers.
>
> When I run the GNOME desktop manager. The colors don't show right,
> especially if I run Netscape 4.51. For example web pages load, but
> the colors don't show up correctly.
>
> Other problems I have noticed the icons inside the desktop manager
> look grainy. I don't need any 3D or OpenGL support, but I would like
> it if my Voodoo 3000 acted like a normal video card by displaying
> the colors as they should be instead of Netscape showing up odd
> colors or my taskbar looking grainy. Even my the SiS 6326 card I
> had displayed my colors as they should be.
>
> Question: Is any anybody running RH 6.0 with Kernel 2.2.5-22 with
> either KDE or GNOME installed using the Voodoo 3000 AGP
> card. If so, what drivers are you using?
>
> When will 3dfx release Linux drivers!?!
> Ugh...I'm glad I still have Windoze, at least my card works there.
>
> Thank you for suggestions.
> --
> Please reply to the newsgroup. If you need to contact me via e-mail
> then remove "sd".
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From: Laurent Paumier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ppp problems
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:39 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I recently installed Linux-Mandrake 6.0 and am having some
> difficulties connecting to the internet. I have followed all the
> instructions for setting up my modem and ISP connection but always
> receive the same error during the connect process, "Timeout expired
> while waiting for the ppp interface window to come up." My modem
> initializes, dials the number and connects. It then supplies the
> username and password before the connection window goes into a
> "Logging onto network" process. This process sits for a while before
> I get the timeout error mentioned above. I have searched all over the
> internet but can't find any info to help me out in this situation.
> Any ideas? Some help on this would greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks.
>
I've had some problems too using ppp on a Mandrake 6.0. That happened
when I upgraded to kernel 2.2.11 until I noticed this version requires
ppp 2.3.8 or newer. Never had any problem since I upgraded to ppp-2.3.8.
BTW, the problem I had was LCP timeouts sending config requests (you can
see this in /var/log/messages if pppd is run with the debug option).
Hope this helps.
--
Laurent Paumier
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From: Stuart Herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: win95 & linux
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:05:01 GMT
I beleive that Caldera's Open Linux 2.2 has a Windows based install. Check
them out at http://www.calderasystems.com
M Harpur wrote:
> Hi
> Heard about a linux install program installing from within win95. meant
> to be easy. Anyone know about it?
>
> http://utd.hypermart.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Subject: Re: CD-RW backup
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:49:51 +0800, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to make backup for some directories into CD-RW disk, any
>
Try searching for a program called backburner. It is a set of
scripts to do this I believe. Try searching http://www.deja.com.
The person who wrote the scripts has posted about it a few times.
>software can do this ? or any other good solution for backup beside
>CD-RW.
>
The following is what I have gathered from reading Usenet:
1. SCSI tape drive
2. IDE tape drive
3. Parallel port drive (don't go there)
--
Frank Hahn
It's lucky you're going so slowly, because you're going in the wrong
direction.
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From: Michael Tyka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Parallel Port Scanner HowTo ?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:04:58 GMT
Hi everybody,
Ive got a parallel port scanner which I�d like to run under linux.
Unfortunatly I don�t know of any program to support a device on the
parallel port but only on scsi. Ive been trying with "sane" but
I didn�t get anywhere.
I hope someone could give me an idea on how to do it.
Thanks in advance
Michael Tyka
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Panteltje)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 99 21:51:38 GMT
> common social practice, but it's not pretty or professional or "open".
> Do we want Linux to become a world-wide phenomenon (Windows++)?
> Or do we want Linux to remain a special-niche-interest-group? That is
> the question each person needs to consider - then act accordingly.
>
>
>
Interesting question, I jus twanted an OS that I could use free (was free), and write
programs for, that would do the things that I needed done, and learn from other
peoples code, and perhaps add some thing of my own (contribute),
Linux does all that, you are talking about a different kind of user right?
>From the commercial point of view, maybe you COULD wish Linux would be bigger
then you will have to put in some effort to make it that way :)
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: BIOS: booting Linux from external floppy.
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:37:24 -0230
Hello,
Are there any BIOSes out there that allow for booting Linux from external
floppy?
Thanks,
Neil Zanella
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From: "Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:26:05 -0000
Errin Watusikac wrote in message ...
>Stephan Houben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>[---]
>> The audience in this case are three newsgroups in the comp.os.linux.*
>> hierarchy. For this audience, the term "free" as in "free software"
>> does NOT mean "zero-cost". Perhaps for some other audience, it does.
>[---]
>> The difference in understanding of the word "free" is perhaps one of
>> the biggest differences between both groups. If you had lurked here
>> some time before you posted, you would have known this.
>
> I'm with Max. I've been using Linux (and not M$Win) and reading NGs and
> webpages (including gnu.org) for several years, and "free" still means
> "without cost" to me unless the context clearly changes the meaning.
> I.T. is not that context. Max was right - software can't have freedom.
> And people who use GPL, NPL, QPL, etc, certainly don't have freedom;
> their bound by the terms of a several-thousand word license.
>
> I'm hoping that one of the benefits of an influx into the Linux
> community of M$ refugees will be an increase in the number of Linuxers
> that haven't joined the Cult of GNU and accepted its misleading use
> of words. M$'s lies were more transparently marketing-speak.
>
> GPL concepts are not simplistic; they shouldn't have a simplistic title
> unless it is "GPL". Certainly not such a misleading title as "free
> software". Maybe GNU mailing lists can butcher words for cult usage,
> but this is a public forum for Linux.
>
> People here better get used to the fact that Linux now both a corprate
> OS and a commercial OS (see this week's Linux Today article on those
> terms). It contains non-free (by any definition) software and has users
> and developers who have escapted from a wide range of other
> environments. It would be better for all (except maybe the few who are
> too heavily invested in poorly-considered habits) to make things easier
> on the new folks, instead of having them make things harder on you.
Yes, and thanks for saying explicitly what I said only in a generic sense.
If you want Linux to become popular in the world-at-large, make the path
for potential converts smooth, easy, friendly. To create difficulty and friction
for newcomers subverts your goal. Making a specialized lexicon does not
make Linux more accessible, it makes it a cult-like endeavor that requires
long study to master unnecessary and limits growth. This is a simple fact.
Lower the price of entry (both in $$$ and time/effort/annoyance/difficulty)
to achieve better results. For myself, I advocate Linux-the-software, but
not those people who wish to make Linux the basis of a voodoo-like cult.
The practice of cutting others down to make yourself feel higher is a
common social practice, but it's not pretty or professional or "open".
Do we want Linux to become a world-wide phenomenon (Windows++)?
Or do we want Linux to remain a special-niche-interest-group? That is
the question each person needs to consider - then act accordingly.
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From: Leejay Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can Linux read NTFS?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 17:57:14 -0400
Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.setup: 28-Aug-99 Re: Can Linux read
NTFS? by @news.freenet.co.uk
> T.P Harte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> > Is it possible for Linux to read NTFS? I have tried to
> > mount the NT partition on my disk but Linux doesn't
> > recognise it.
>
> I think at the moment, NTFS is an experimental Read Only option in kernel
> compilation.
Last I checked, NTFS read-write was availabe but considered dangerous.
Read-only might be safer than that.
> > Am I doing the wrong thing by attempting to mount? Are there any
> > hacks/workarounds out there?
>
> Recompile your kernel with the NTFS option.
> Or define a disk partition to be FAT32 and put linux/NT shared files on
> that. (I take it NT can read/write FAT32????)
NT 4.0, by itself, will not read FAT32 (at least as of SP3. I've not
looked at SP4 or SP5). If memory serves, SysInternals has a driver
available for FAT32; they sell a r/w version, and may have a
downloadable r-only driver. Silly, isn't it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cesar da Silva)
Subject: Compiling the Kernel.
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:28:31 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
Just wondering if anyone is having the same problem that I have when I compile
the kernel.
What i do when I compile the kernel is:
$make mrproper
$make menuconfig
$make dep
$make bzImage modules modules_install
The only small problem that I have is that the modules *don't* get installed.
Everything else is working fine. I have to type "make modules_install" again to
install the modules.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: visacalc for linux/unix or freeware clone?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:36:49 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I used a spreadsheet under Os9 Level 2 for YEARS called
Dynacalc, I have many budgeting templates for this program (saved as
ascii files for later porting) that I would like to port to Linux. I
looked at Sc but I cannot for the life of me figure this beast out! I
am so used to Dynacalc and Visacalc's help system that I am totally
lost when trying SC or OLEO! I have no desire for The X windows
System. in fact, I am going to ZAP it off my HD (pain on my 20mb
486/DX2 66mhz machine with only 600MB for HD space anyway.)
I know there are Some old Os9 Grizzled Vetrans around. Does
anyone know of source code for a dynacalc clone or even if the
original commercial authors of dynacalc have released a unix version?
We are talking about a Home Budget based worksheet here! not DBMS or
fractals or fancy pictures (heck if there is a Phantomgraph program
for Linux I could import my data to that for those few times I want
charts!)
--
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=========================================================================
Y2K appears to be the Baby Boomers mid-life crisis, and it has the
potential to be a dandy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: Compiling kernel trouble
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:35:33 GMT
Raul Trujillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just downloaded kernel 2.2.11 off the internet. I installed it in
>/usr/src and from there I think it overwrote my previous kernel
>(2.2.5). I am using SuSE 6.1. I got as far as:
>make dep clean boot
>When it gets in 'make boot' it stops and doesn't create my new image.
>These are my results:
You need to configure the new kernel, run one of "make config",
"make menuconfig", "make xconfig" or "make oldconfig".
Oldconfig is the easiest; it only prompts you for options which
are new to the kernel you will be compiling.
Norman
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From: "Clifton T. Sharp Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:53:24 -0500
Robert Komar wrote:
> What a waste of good advice! I think that no one was suggesting
> that the student pretend that the instructor was right and kiss
> butt, rather that there are better ways of dealing with this
> situation than acting like a shithead and trying to embarrass
> The Man in public. As was suggested, the most good could be
> achieved by approaching the teacher in private and discussing
> the matter civilly.
We who have tried that know that you haven't.
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From: "Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:39:15 -0000
Christopher Browne wrote in message <7q98h0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:56:24 +0100, Jon Skeet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> I am not sure why you say XBasic "is not portable". Perhaps
>>> I misunderstand your intended meaning, but you seem to say
>>> XBasic design/architecture make XBasic impossible to port.
>>
>> My guess is that it's because it's not entirely written in a portable
>> language. The key is when you put:
>>
>>"XBasic is written entirely in XBasic (plus a little asm)."
>>
>> The first bit sounds fine, in that when you write a backend to
>> support a new architecture, an existing version can write the
>> new one: but assembler isn't portable.
>
> It is not necessary for XBasic to be "Impossible to port" in order for
> it to never be ported to any other platform; it merely needs to be
> sufficiently inconvenient that nobody can be bothered to do so.
>
> This links back to the issue of it not being formally "free software;"
> if there are no formal guarantees that contributions to the XBasic
> code base will continue to be available to the community, that
> represents a significant barrier to such contributions.
>
> Result: Someone that might have written (say) a PPC code generator
> might instead work on the Python/GLADE interface, as that's already
> portable, and is known to be free.
I understand what you say, but I still say the phrase "is not portable"
is misleading. And it leads you to explain it with another confusing
sentence, namely "It is not necessary for XBasic to be impossible
to port in order for it never be ported". This formulation is the same
as saying "gasoline is not flammable - until somebody finds a match".
I consider that preposterous logic. Gasoline is not flammable until
somebody lights it, and XBasic is not portable until somebody
ports it - even though gasoline has been burned millions of times,
and even though XBasic has already been ported to multiple CPUs
and multiple OSs already.
Just to make sure you understand my point, I do agree that how
software is written and how widely availability the source-code is
does affect the likelihood a programmer can or will do a port.
It does not affect whether already-ported software "is portable".
Such "logic" is actually "self-contradiction".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:55:18 GMT
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:40:56 +0100, Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In Occam, processes (procedures, functions, etc) are white space dependent.
>What's wrong with brackets I'll never know, but adding a new process often
>involved indenting and outdenting large portions of your already written
>code....
Your objuction is meaningless, because if you change the nesting level in any
block structured language, you have to change the indentation, even if this is
not required by the language syntax. Failing to do so should be grounds for a
public flogging with a wet noodle.
For example, if I have a bit of C code that looks like this:
x = foo();
bar();
baz();
and I want to make it subject to a condition, I will indent the
three statements:
if (condition()) {
x = foo();
bar();
baz();
}
I don't know what makes you think that you can get away without doing this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: WWW e-mail interface?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:20:43 GMT
You could try EMUmail for webmail access. It great works with Linux.
http://www.emumail.com
Matt Mankins
EMUmail
In article <7psne0$uco$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >
> > Danny O'Brien wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a way to set up a Linux mail server so that e-mail can be
> > > accessed remotely via the Web? i.e., at the office, mail gets
> forwarded to
> > > whatever client we're running on the desktops, but on the road, we
> can hit
> > > a Web site and check our mail.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > You can use MailMan. I think you can get it at http://www.cgi-
> resources.com.
> > Don't use any other Perl scripts there as they are often insecure.
> Also look
> > into WebMail from http://www.ihub.com. It costs money, but we are
> very happy
> > with it here at UTK.
> >
> > Toby
> >
>
> hi Toby,
>
> If you look again, you'll notice he was asking about LINUX.
> WebMail is for Windows NT/95
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Linux wholesalers or distributors?
Date: 28 Aug 1999 21:18:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:49:48 GMT, Paul Sian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I run a medium sized computer store and have been getting many requests to
>build custom linux boxes and people wanting to buy linux software.
>Problem is my local wholesaler only has red hat 5.0 linux and nothing else
>linux related. Are there any wholesalers I can access online to get a
>more varied assortment of linux based products?
Here are some vendors that are not necessarily formally "wholesalers,"
but from whom you can get Linux stuff probably rather more economically
than from that local wholesaler:
<http://linuxcentral.com>
<http://www.cheapbytes.com>
<http://www.lsl.com>
<http://www.linuxmall.com>
The local LUG here, NTLUG, deals with Linux Central, and from the
reports I hear, all contacts have been extremely satisfactory.
All of these guys offer a variety of distributions, typically
including:
- Debian
- Red Hat
- SuSE
- TurboLinux
- Slackware
- Mandrake
as well as considerable selections of literature and related software.
If you're pre-installing Linux, you'll be happy to hear that you can
probably get CD sets for any of the above distributions for under $5
per set.
This obviously won't include much in the way of literature or pretty
boxes, but if you're preinstalling systems for people, that doesn't much
matter. You could impress users by having their choice of distributions
*plus* a decent selection of documentation options for less than you're
paying for an old edition of Red Hat's distribution.
Note that this is entirely legitimate; no evils surrounding
"questionable licensing policies" are involved.
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From: Mark Presley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling the Kernel.
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:10:02 -0700
I have always done the seperately mostly to be sure each completed. I have never
had a problem this way as long as each are error free.
$make bZimage
$make modules
$make modules_install
-Mark
Cesar da Silva wrote:
> Hi!
> Just wondering if anyone is having the same problem that I have when I compile
> the kernel.
> What i do when I compile the kernel is:
>
> $make mrproper
> $make menuconfig
> $make dep
> $make bzImage modules modules_install
>
> The only small problem that I have is that the modules *don't* get installed.
> Everything else is working fine. I have to type "make modules_install" again to
> install the modules.
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From: "Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:49:16 -0000
Phil Hunt wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <37c75b3d@coconut-wireless>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Max Reason" writes:
>> Incidentally, when I read your paragraph, I am left with all sorts
>> of questions about what you mean. You say "everything that is
>> considered part of the Linux system is supposed to be 'free'".
>> Do you consider every program that runs on Linux to be "part
>> of the Linux system"?
>
> Of course not: is everything that runs on Windows95 part of
> Windows95? Is everything that runs under MacOS part of MacOS?
Then you agree with my response to the previous poster.
>> I have no way of knowing without buying
>> a non-existent (and certainly non-standard and disputed)
>> Linux Lexicon. What does "open source" mean?
>
> see www.opensource.org
>
>> Is that a
>> synonym for "free" or "freeware" or do they mean different
>> things to you (and others)?
>
>``Open Source'' was invented, in part, to counter the problems
> regarding the ambiguity in the term ``free software''.
And I think that was a good idea, precisely because the
natural interpretation of the phrase based on the normal
understanding of the component words is pretty much
what the phrase means. And that is why I keep saying
"freeware" should simply mean "free software", which
means ANY [uncrippled] software that is available at
zero cost, not just those that are also "open source".
PS: Just in case it matters, www.opensource.org
was down, so I could not read it before answering.
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