Linux-Misc Digest #749, Volume #21 Fri, 10 Sep 99 08:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: NTFS not supported in kernel? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Problems with FTP and users ("Jos� Alfonso G�mez Mart�n")
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ("Robert M. Cosby")
Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question (Anthony Tsakiris)
Re: Problems with Sendmail (Tony Green)
W98 removed lilo ("Peter Scully")
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Armin Steinhoff)
HELP! How to login and activate DSL????
Re: Q? - best combo of linux distrib and apps for 3rd world (Uwe Borchert)
Re: HTML editor for Linux ("Joe Orton")
Re: Red Hat 6 and /etc/issue (Bryan Woody)
Re: Looking for the kernel... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Apache ~ user directories? (Giandomenico De Tullio)
Re: please help b4 my head bursts (kev)
Re: Linux System Labs (brian moore)
Re: "autoexec.bat"-type service in Linux? (Kari Pahula)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Terje Trane)
URGENT!! Need Netscape to work! (kev)
Re: Should I use Linux or Windows? (Terry Porter)
Installing xwindows turned all my icons black ("Scott")
Using ghost to clone a system (Paul Wickham)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NTFS not supported in kernel?
Date: 9 Sep 1999 23:59:43 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel says...
>
>When I tried it I had to reinstall NT. The partition was completely hozed.
>Read Only is safe though.
>
I've had minor problems with read only ntfs.
Was copying files from NTFS to ext2, 4 large files did not fully
make it. got some sort of read error on them. there were about 100 MB
or more each.
\nasser
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From: "Jos� Alfonso G�mez Mart�n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems with FTP and users
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:41:11 +0200
Hi guys, I have a question for you.
How can I set up my ftp daemon to accept requests from users different
from ftp ?
I have other users in my /etc/passwd but they dont work I can only login
if I am ftp.
thanks
Alfonso
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From: "Robert M. Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:46:00 -0700
Joe Cosby wrote:
>
<good stuff about computer design snipped>
> Forty-fifty years ago, most people didn't drive autos, so driver's ed wasn't taught
>in
> school. Now most people drive, so it is.
You young punks don't know nothin'! 8^) My older sisters both had
drivers ed in HS in that time frame. Hmmmph! No they WEREN'T taught in
one horse drays! Want to expand that time frame back another 30 years or
so? 8^)
> Ten-fifteen years ago, you didn't need to be computer literate to be employable, so
> basic computer literacy wasn't taught.
Depends on what job we are speaking of. Many jobs that long ago were
still demanding computer literacy
>And it still isn't.
At least not as much as it should be. But literacy in -anything- is in
short supply these days as the HS students who couldn't find the US on
an upside-down globe without national boundaries showing proved.
>
>
> And this also leads into my next point;
>
> To me it's like saying "why do you need a gas gauge? This car has a -really big- gas
> tank.
"What do you mean I have no money in my checking account??? I still have
checks!"
>
> Despite all this which is disagreeing as far as the need for basic
> computer education, I don't want to seem like I'm flaming or
> something.
>
> Really, I've found this whole thread very interesting and the
> ideas you and Cooper are talking about very important and
> insightful.
Hear, hear!
> Ironic that the whole thread began with that drooling cretin 'Buzz
> Olin' and his crossposting
>
> :^)
> --
> Joe Cosby
>
> Amiga Fanatic
But he didn't drool on me. B^D
Coz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Tsakiris)
Subject: Re: YALNQ: yet another linux noobee question
Date: 09 Sep 1999 14:01:05 -0400
"g.neller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > My guess is these are versions dependant on different shared C libraries
> > but how do I go about finding out what lib(s) I have on my system?
I just read a post that was made in response to some trouble
I'm having on a completely unrelated subject. However, some
of the information in that post might be helpful.
Using the ldd command on any dynamically linked executable
will supposedly indicate which libc system you're using.
I haven't tried it yet, and I have no experience with the
ldd command. The example suggested was "ldd /usr/bin/vi".
--
Anthony Tsakiris
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From: Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Problems with Sendmail
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:28:03 +0100
Your not wrong (DOH!)
The error from sendmail is actualy "unable to qualify own domain".
SNMP/SMTP its just all too much!
:-)
Any ideas on that error then?
Thanks
Tony
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> Tony Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : All,
>
> : Has anyone ever seen the error messages
> : 'Bad Community'
> : in /var/adm/messages from Sendmail.
>
> This is an snmp error, not a smtp error! Sure you haven't got the
> error message mixed up?
>
> : an obvious pattern so I am thinking it may be some manner of
> : network/routing problem.
>
> If it's a sendmail error, grep the binary for it (I have and it's not
> there). It only makes sense as snmp to me (simple network management proto).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Peter
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From: "Peter Scully" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: W98 removed lilo
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:34:47 +0800
I upgraded to W98 (dual boot) and now I can't get back into Linux. If I use
a boot disk it complains because it looks for /boot on hdc5 (it's on hda5) -
any of you helpful people know how I can get lilo back in place?
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From: Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.realtime
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 10 Sep 1999 01:25:19 -0700
In article <7ra0ep$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor
>Kovalenko) wrote:
>>
>>Guy Macon wrote:
>>>
>>> I have two problems with what the Ballista project is doing here.
>>>
>>> [1] They fail to differentiate between an OS failing to handle one
>>> of the test cases and an OS purposefully handling the test case
>>> in a different way than their assumption of what the Only Valid
>>> Way To Handle Errors is.
>>>
>>> [2] They printed posters and put up web pages containing bar charts
>>> showing "Robustness Failure Rate" for various Operating Systems,
>>> despite the fact that what they are measuring is not robustness.
Correct, they are testing only the 'robustness' of the default handling
of exceptions. The default exception handling is in mosts UNIX systems
the abort of the particular process ... and the abort works really robust :-)
The user has in general four options:
- looking for the return value + error code
- writing its own exception handling
- or both of previous options
- or do it as it was done in the Ballista project ;-)
>>> I believe that the Ballista project should measure the ability of
>>> each OS to exhibit whatever error-response behavior is documented
>>> for that OS. That's what most programmers would expect of a test
>>> of "operating system robustness".
>>>
>>> I also believe that a process failure which prevents the failing
>>> process alone from completing it's task should be listed differently
>>> from a process failure which prevents unrelated processes or the
>>> operating system itself from completing their tasks. In the real
>>> world of high reliability systems, the ability of a critical module
>>> to continue despite the failure of a non critical module is an
>>> important reliability issue.
>>>
>>> What the Ballista Project is testing for is very useful and I am glad
>>> to see them do it. I just wish that they wouldn't call what they are
>>> testing for "Robustness Failure Rate", and that they would realize that
>>> they are not in charge of deciding what the proper response to a bad
>>> input is for all operating systems.
>>
>>It looks like most people comment Ballista results reading mostly QSSL's
>>comments and not the results ;) While in general I agree with QNX
>>approach to kill an offending application, there is another issue as
>>well. Greg & Dan talked about stray pointers a lot but look at test
>>cases published by Ballista. Some of them (e.g., calloc() with negative
>>arguments) have NOTHING to do with stray pointers and still get killed.
>>That basically means QNX libc does not do a particularly good job of
>>argument checking.
That's only a philosophical issue: if calloc() was used with a negative value it
unveils an application problem and you have to decide to continue it or not.
In most cases it is appropriate to dump the error environment and restart the
task. That can be done by a raw abort (default exception handling + dumper,
restart by configuration management) or by a gracefully shutdown after dumping
the error environment (exception handling by the application).
> That saves some overhead but indeed sacrifies robustness for some extent.
The fact that an OS and not the user does the shutsdown of a faulty task has
nothing to do with robustness. This might be different with other OS's :-)
> You have to program range checking for all
>>input in your applications instead of relying on libc.
No .. it's just a question of design of the OS _and_ the applications!
>I ran into problems due to that many times, because some QNX functions may
>>return undocumented values when you feed them with inappropriate data.
Well, quality of software/documentation can impair the robustness ... ?
>As for my point [1], pointing out flaws in QNX is all well and good, but the
>>fact remains that the flaws you list are not what the Ballista project
>>measured.
Let's talk about the advantages of the micro kernel design of QNX4 or
QNX/Neutrino and the topic revolution ...
Who will do the first design of an ARM core which includes the very small
QNX4 or QNX/Neutrino kernel?
Who will do a 'CPU cache/per task' design? (IMHO, the current cache handling is
not optimal for multi tasking .. it's just from the DOS stone age =:-( )
See at: http://www.arccores.com/development/architect.htm
Let discuss it in October ...
>Instead, they called the documented output of well designed error
>handling code "Robustness failures". I really wish that they had
>measured real problems, but they didn't. They measured whatever
>would make the OS's on there poster look as bad as possible.
>
>
>As for my point [2],
>I can give you a bunch of direct quotes from the Ballista project
>website where they themselves say that they are not testing
>robustness. Anyone who reads all of the docs for the project
>(which I did) can see that what they test for is only one facet
>of robustness. The posters and webpage graphics are misleading
>to the point of being a reckless disreguard for truth.
Hmmm .... was that their intension ????
Armin
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: HELP! How to login and activate DSL????
Date: 10 Sep 1999 09:41:12 GMT
Hello,
I've got DSL through US West, both the line and as my internet provider.
Because my area is new to DSL, I was only able to sign up for something
called the "select" program, meaning that I have to use Cisco Commander to
login to my provider, which then gives me net access for 2 hours. After 2
hours expire, I must reconnect if I wish to get back on the internet.
Everything works well under Windows. Now I'd like to use Linux.
Unfortunately there isn't a Linux version of Cisco Commander...
Does anyone know of a way that I can login to US West under Linux? If I
login via Windows and reboot to Linux, everything works fine for 2 hours,
then I must reboot to windows, login again, then go back to linux. This is
tedious and not a desirable solution because of the 2hr DSL time limit until
I must login again.
Inside my machine is a 3com 3C905 ethernet card. This plugs into my
external Cisco 675 router.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Henry
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Borchert)
Subject: Re: Q? - best combo of linux distrib and apps for 3rd world
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Borchert)
Date: 10 Sep 1999 11:47:18 +0100
Hello,
..[...]...
> I have used The Xwindows System on a 486 Dx2/66mhz machine
>with 8mb of ram. need I say, it could not run netscape very well and
>it crawled! I have Xwindows on my same machine with 20mb of ram and it
>still crawls a little.
The main problem is the ISA-Bus and the graphic adapter. You can speed
ist up using the B&W X-Server. On a 386dx40 with 8M RAM and a Trident
8900 512MB TVGA adapter X is much more faster in B&W. The color Server
crawls, The B&W server works well.
> The X windows system in my situation is not my main interface
>however, standard ASCII is.
It realy depends of the bustype and the graphic adapter.
..[...]...
> Thats true. Doesn't anyone have a recomendation for a Word
>processor that can be used with ncurses or slang? on a standard
>console or a remote terminal? He would need something like that. I
>myself use vim and groff so I am not a definitive source for info on
>fancy word processors.
Why not use a cheap DOS? Free- oder DrDOS? And throw a free GUI over
it, like GEM/3 with the GemWrite Programm? This should run on any
286 with 1 MB. Ich believe that you would have problems in the 3rd
World to get a 486dx33 with 16M Ram. But there might be enough 286
around. User Linux Boxes as a server with telnet login, where the
users can read their Mail or browse with lynx. This should work. Or
better: you find a free X-Server for DOS and give the server more
RAM if posible.
..[...]...
>>The other issue is HD space. I think you're going to have a hard time
>>squeezing what you need into 400MB.
..[...]...
3 years ago I installed Debian Linux with X, Netscape 3.0 an a few
other toys on a 130 MB hdd. You may not need much more than 200 today.
Ciao
Uwe Borchert
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From: "Joe Orton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HTML editor for Linux
Date: 10 Sep 1999 09:41:33 GMT
> Sitecopy is a very nice application. I use it myself. But be sure you
> have a backup copy of your site before you configure it. There are
> several error scenarios where it will happily delete all your files.
Are there? Could you give details?
Regards,
joe
--
Joe Orton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.orton.demon.co.uk/
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From: Bryan Woody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat 6 and /etc/issue
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:01:13 -0400
Aaron B. Hockley wrote:
>
> OK, I am trying to change the message that is diplayed at the login
> prompt, which is the contents of /etc/issue
>
> I can change this file, log out, and when I go to log in the new text
> is displayed.
>
> However, when I reboot, I get the default message back again and it
> has replaced my custom /etc/issue
>
> What's going on?
>
In Redhat 5.2, /etc/rc.d/rc.local changed /etc/issue on bootup. Maybe
it's the same in Redhat 6.0, though I've never used it. Just
delete/comment out the relevant lines.
--
Bryan Woody - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for the kernel...
Date: 10 Sep 1999 02:35:35 -0700
In article <7raere$tss$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>how can I locate the kernel so I can give LILO something to boot with?
you deleted the kernel? not good.
>I was mucking around with a perfectly functioning LILO configuration
>under SuSE 6.1 and managed to delete the backup of the original
>lilo.conf (duuuh ;-) ). Now I can't find the kernel location. According
>to the SuSE manual it should be /boot/vmlinuz, but I'm darned if I can
>find it there or anywhere else.
>
you do not have a /boot directory either? you deleted that too? not good.
>So: how can I run the kernel to ground? It must be in there somewhere,
>but where?
>
I do not know what "run kernel to gound" means? but to build the kernel,
go to /usr/src/linux; and type make zImage. see documentation.
for Lilo help, type man lilo;
You could always search your whole file system:
cd /; find . -name vmlinuz
\nasser
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From: Giandomenico De Tullio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache ~ user directories?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:58:00 +0200
Daniel P. Gelinske wrote:
>
> Allin Cottrell wrote:
>
> > Gina wrote:
> >
> > > What's the term for having user directory web pages. I'd like to enable this
> > > on my httpd Apache server (under linux). Ie:
> > > http://www.binarycity.net/~tgreen/
> >
> > "locate httpd.conf"
> > "grep public-html httpd.conf"
> >
> > change "public-html" (if you wish) to some other name,
> > corresponding to the sub-directory of /home/tgreen that you
> > want to be made available over the web.
>
> I am having the same problems myself, but cant afford to put out the bucks for an
> Apache book. I did the 'grep public-html httpd.conf' and nothing came up.
Try "public_html" !!!:)
--
Windows98: Plug (lo scanner USB) and Pray (che non crashi il sistema)
Microsoft Outlook : dove vuoi vuoi vuoi vuoi vuoi postare oggi?
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From: kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: please help b4 my head bursts
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:31:53 +0100
Kari Pahula wrote:
> kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I realise this is some sort of cacheing problem. I've tried to 'touch' a
> >new file on there in the hope that this would force it to re-read the
> >disk, but instead I just got "touch: /mnt/floppy/tmp: Read-only file
> >system". According to the options for this drive (and yes, it is
> >mounted) it is _not_ read-only.
>
> What kind of a filesystem does the floppy have? With what command do you
> mount the floppy?
>
I used linuxconf to mount it.
> A mounted floppy is read-only, if it has the write protection on.
You mean the write-protect tab? That's definitely not on.
- Kev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Linux System Labs
Date: 9 Sep 1999 20:50:06 GMT
On 9 Sep 1999 19:12:31 GMT,
Martin McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Someone told me of a company they referred to as Linux System
> Labs that sells a pack of CDROm's containing several Linux
> distributions for around $15.00. I may have a mixup on the name
> because I am having trouble locating them by that name. Does this
> sound familiar to anybody?
Try http://www.lsl.com/.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "autoexec.bat"-type service in Linux?
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:57:26 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>An ignorant newbie writes:
>I have been overcome by the desire to regale all users of my Linux
>system with a welcome text which is to be created by a Perl-script
>and which will change daily.
The contents of the file /etc/motd are displayed on login. You'll have
to make cron to call the script that changes the contents of
/etc/motd daily, putting the script in /etc/cron.daily/ should do the
trick.
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From: Terje Trane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:59:18 +0200
Tony Talarico wrote:
> IIRC, "Directories" came about with the advent of the minicomputer
I think it was one of the innovative things of Multics that later
Unix inherited
> None of the early microcomputer disk operating systems had directories,
> and they had no problem finding files. This includes Apple DOS, Atari
> Dos, CP/M,
I can't really remember the details but I think CP/M had a consept of
User, where all files on a diskette was in a non hieractic directory,
but owned by a user (defalt 0). Then you could change to User 1
(or 2 or 3...) and have a new clean directory where you could put
files even with the same name.
Or am I mixing up systems here?
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From: kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Subject: URGENT!! Need Netscape to work!
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:42:15 +0100
Hi,
I have a _problem_!
I use Netscape Communicator 4.6 on RH6. I've been using it for ages, and
never had a problem with the mail client. However, yesterday, it started
crashing when trying to receive mail from the server.
Has anyone heard of this happening before?
I have moved my .netscape and .nsmail folders to that I have a 'new'
Netscape (which I am using now) so that I can post to newsgroups, but I
really need my mail back.
Could the fact that my mail files are so big be to blame? (If all else
fails, I will try deleting some less important stuff, but I need
Netscape to be stable before I can do that). My Sent folder is about
30Mb, and a few other folders are approaching that. This shouldn't be a
problem should it? I have enough disk space.
Thanks in advance,
- Kev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Should I use Linux or Windows?
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 10 Sep 1999 19:29:34 +0800
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:01:38 -0500,
Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(William Wueppelmann) spake unto us, saying:
>
>>In our last episode (Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:15:26 -0500),
>>the artist formerly known as Richard Steiner said:
>>
>>>If you're not aware of the benefits of using Linux at this point, then
>>>it might not be a good idea for you to play with it.
>>
>>Then how will he learn the benefits?
>
>One can learn a lot of useful information by reading and by talking to
>others, not so?
I definetly agree, the more you know about Linux before you use it
the easier it will be.
I myself read the linux news groups for at least 6 months before installing
Redhat4.2 in 1997.
>
>Hands-on experience is a logical next step, but I would usually suggest
>some reading/conversing activities before that is attempted.
>
>>How many of us learned about Linux and came to appreciate it because we
>>installed it and played around with it?
>
>Point acknowledged. :-)
I did, but it was easier after I bought a good book and read, read ,read
before using Linux.
>
>Possible counterpoint: how many of us were (1) technically literate and
>(2) possessed of at least a rough idea about what we were getting into
>with a Unix-like operating system before we did so?
In 1993 I "installed" Yaggdrassil and although it worked, I couldnt do a
thing, no prior unix experience and many years of MsWindows :(
>
>Even though I'd never formally used a Unix flavor before I installed
>Linux, I did have a certain amount of theoretical knowledge about it
>from various courses in college (one of my OS design classes used both
>UNIX/V7 and XENIX as case studies).
>
>>>The care and feeding of a multi-user OS like Linux is somewhat more
>>>complex than a single-user OS like Windows, and you will find almost
>>>immediately that Linux will require a lot of learning (and unlearning)
>>>on your part, at least if you want to use it safely and effectively.
>>
>>Which is why a dual-boot or spare computer approach is probably best.
>
>Yup! :-)
Agreed, even better is a second low cost pc, for Linux, to play around with.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing xwindows turned all my icons black
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:16:41 -0400
When I installed 3.3.5 all of my incons turned black. This includes the
login buttons.
Any ideas as how to get this running?
Scott
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Wickham)
Subject: Using ghost to clone a system
Date: 10 Sep 1999 11:00:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
I have tried to use ghost to clone a linux system. I have installed the
clone image onto another (larger) hardisk, and it *appears* to be working
OK. Does anyone know if this is a bad idea. As it boots, linux looks like it
notices it is on a bigger disk and automatically compensates the geometry.
Is this correct?
Regards
Paul
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