Linux-Misc Digest #794, Volume #21 Mon, 13 Sep 99 17:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Tom Dominico, Jr.)
Re: SO 5.1 burps my HD (Radovan Garabik)
Problem with SU mode ("Jm")
Re: Lesstif not up-to-snuff, need full Motif; Options, opinions? (Henk Jan)
HELP. KDE Mailer lost all my e mails. (Alex Lam)
Re: Advice needed. ("SaKeN")
Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX? (Grant Edwards)
help with as , the GNU assembler ! (steller)
Re: SO 5.1 burps my HD (Steve Gage)
Lesstif not up-to-snuff, need full Motif; Options, opinions? (Mike Percy)
Re: Advice needed. (Henrik Becker)
Re: Best Linux Book (DeAnn Iwan)
Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX? (Charles E. Taylor IV)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Spike!)
Upgrade from Redhat 5.2 to 6.0 (Douglas Ritschel)
Re: chsh -s bsh (Spike!)
Re: HELP. KDE Mailer lost all my e mails. (Henrik Becker)
Re: xterm broken? (Artit J)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Dominico, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:56:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <7rc0nk$2n8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>That is my complaint -- the idiotic notion that, in order to install
>something as complex as Office 97, all you need to know is how to
>mindlessly click through the wizard. No. I maintain that understanding
>computers in a general sense, and specifically understanding what is
>going where, and why, should be a requirement. Knowing how to do a
>custom install, and knowing why/when you would need to do so, should
>also be expected. Otherwise, the bozo in question should defer to
>someone who *is* qualified.
You know, as I have been reading your various posts, I am taken aback by
the sheer arrogance and rudeness displayed. Why would an issue like this
make you so angry? Sadly, I have noted many others who share your elitist
attitude that only computer "experts" like yourself should be able to
own/operate one. Anyone who does not meet your criteria for being
considered a competent user is immediately classified a "bozo". What an
arrogant, ignorant statement. While I am good with computers, I know
virtually nothing about car repair. Yet, I am able to drive a car. If
something goes wrong, I take it to the shop. I wonder if the repair guys
consider me to be a bozo because I do not know how to make simple repairs?
On the contrary, I'm sure they appreciate the revenue I bring them. In the
same vein, we as computer "experts" can capitalize on our knowledge, and
use it to help out people who are unskilled. Ever hear of "Technical
Support?" They exist to help out end users. There is also a big demand
for programmers who can use their skills to make computers accessible to
"the masses".
Computers are very powerful tools for learning. I believe that everyone
should be able to experience and utilize this power for their own
betterment. Elitists like you want to keep "the common folk" in the dark
ages because they are not willing to study the intricacies of computer
systems. Grow up and drop the attitude. Luckily you are skilled with
computers and can surround yourself with them, for I can't imagine that any
human would want to be around you and your arrogance.
To save bandwidth, I will simulate your probable response to my post. Here
goes: "F**K YOU YOU JERK, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YOU BOZO."
Was that pretty close?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Radovan Garabik)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: SO 5.1 burps my HD
Date: 13 Sep 1999 19:44:49 GMT
charles blackburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Here's what "free" shows:
:>
:> total used free shared buffers
: cached
:> Mem: 63416 62188 1228 27812 1308 27692
: ^^^^^^^^^ That may be why 1.2 Meg (if not less)
:FREE?????
Yes, but notice 27MB buffers... this is pretty normal situation, and nothing
to worry about.
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From: "Jm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with SU mode
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:34:52 +0200
Hi..
Got a little problem. When i enter or leave SU mode my rh6.0 box hangs for
about 15 seconds before anthing else happens. It's quite annoying.
Anyone got any solutions to this problem??
Jm
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From: Henk Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lesstif not up-to-snuff, need full Motif; Options, opinions?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:31:34 GMT
Mike Percy wrote:
> We are trying to port some applications from Solaris to Linux (RH6,
XF86), and
> the current lesstif is not up to the task. What are your opinions on
other
> Motif packages, e.g., Redhat Motif, Metrolink(?), etc.
>
> I am more concerned with compatibility (we'd like same source to run on
both
> platforms, for instance) than anything else (I mean, we can spend a
couple
> hundred bucks for a suitable package). Links to info and or opinions
would be
> appreciated, esp. experience (good or bad) with portability. Would also
like
> static linkage possibilities.
I think Metrolink Complete is the way to go. Metrolink Complete offers
you the possibility of three different installations (1.2, 2.0 or 2.1)
you can choose the one that fits best for your job. I am using Red Hat
Motif at the moment but i want to to switch to Metrolink.
Henk Jan
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP. KDE Mailer lost all my e mails.
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:33:47 -0700
KDE mail reader won't retreate e mail more than one at a time, then,
it'll disappears,
it will get another mail if restarted. But it only shows the last mail
retreated.
How can I recover all the lost mails?
Thanks.
Alex Lam.
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**Linux Rules!
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From: "SaKeN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advice needed.
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:00:06 +0200
thanks
--saken
Henrik Becker wrote in message ...
>johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> i'm kinda new 2 linux, i got redhat 5. i want my Xwindows 2 look alot
>> better than it does and take away that awful win9x feel, which is the
best
>> windows manager 2 use...
>
>Try WindowMaker ontop KDE:
>
>http://www.kde.org
>http://www.windowmaker.org
>
>
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>> powered by Linux, KDE and WindowMaker | This EMail is 100% Micro$oft FREE
<
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From: grant@nowhere. (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:03:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler wrote:
>Indica writes:
>> WYSIWYG editors are great for people like myself who maintain large web
>> sites.
WYSIWYG stands for What You See Is What You Get. One proble:
nobody gives a shit what _you_ get. The purpose of web pages is
to provide information not to _you_ but to _other_people_.
People who might not be using the same browser at the same
resolution on the same size display under the same operating
system as you.
>WYSIWYG HTML editor is an oxymoron.
>
>> I do not agree with your statement that we a person should know HTML if
>> they are going to create a site. That would be in an ideal world but the
>> web is full of people who want a site but don't want to learn the code.
>
>And the fact that they can do so despite the fact that they haven't the
>foggiest idea what they are doing is one of the major reasons why 99% of
>the pages on the Web are crap (another one being the fact that graphic
>design rather than library science is considered a suitable background for
>a Web page designer). Most Web pages look like they were "designed" by
>someone who thought she was laying out display ads for a women's magazine.
Damn straight! I don't know how many web pages I've seen that
are all gloss and no content -- nothing but annoying javascript
and animated gifs; imagemaps that don't go anywhere useful;
hard-coded fonts and sizes (thanks Microsoft) that are only
legible on the author's machine; tables and frames that are
chopped off, overlap, or just plain don't render (though
presumably looked nice on some browser at some resolution and
screensize).
If your web site isn't worth looking at with lynx, then it
isn't worth looking at. Period.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Where's the Coke
at machine? Tell me a joke!!
visi.com
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From: steller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help with as , the GNU assembler !
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:59:21 +0200
I just want to know, there must be an online help for as !
I tried to check in man, info but did not find it.
if anyone knows ...
thanks !
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: SO 5.1 burps my HD
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:27:03 GMT
Radovan Garabik wrote:
>
> charles blackburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> Here's what "free" shows:
> :>
> :> total used free shared buffers
> : cached
> :> Mem: 63416 62188 1228 27812 1308 27692
> : ^^^^^^^^^ That may be why 1.2 Meg (if not less)
>FREE?????
>
> Yes, but notice 27MB buffers... this is pretty normal situation, and nothing
> to worry about.
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> | Radovan Garabik http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik |
> | __..--^^^--..__ garabik @ fmph . uniba . sk |
> -----------------------------------------------------------
What I don't understand is why, even if something had to get swapped to
make room for the bloatware we know as SO, is the hard drive burping
every 10 seconds even when I do nothing at all. Just sitting there, the
drive will burp every 10 seconds into eternity (as far as I can tell).
Shouldn't it do what it has to do and be done with it for the time
being?
- Steve
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:13:13 -0400
From: Mike Percy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Lesstif not up-to-snuff, need full Motif; Options, opinions?
We are trying to port some applications from Solaris to Linux (RH6, XF86), and
the current lesstif is not up to the task. What are your opinions on other
Motif packages, e.g., Redhat Motif, Metrolink(?), etc.
I am more concerned with compatibility (we'd like same source to run on both
platforms, for instance) than anything else (I mean, we can spend a couple
hundred bucks for a suitable package). Links to info and or opinions would be
appreciated, esp. experience (good or bad) with portability. Would also like
static linkage possibilities.
--
"I don't know about your brain, but mine is really...bossy."
Mike Percy, Senior Computer Scientist, Scientific Research Corp.
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From: Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advice needed.
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:23:58 +0200
johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i'm kinda new 2 linux, i got redhat 5. i want my Xwindows 2 look alot
> better than it does and take away that awful win9x feel, which is the best
> windows manager 2 use...
Try WindowMaker ontop KDE:
http://www.kde.org
http://www.windowmaker.org
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From: DeAnn Iwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Linux Book
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:18:37 -0400
The book I find that I reference the most is "Using Linux". The
Linux Documentation Project has several good manuals you can download,
as well as the updated HOW-TOs. But I would say there is no one
definitive best book on Linux. It's just too big of a subject to cover
all aspects of in a single book.
Georgi Kostadinov wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I am a new to Linux. I was wondering
> what's the best book on Linux so far?
> I have RedHat Linux 6.0 on my machine.
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Regards,
> Georgi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles E. Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX?
Date: 13 Sep 1999 16:24:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey C. Dege) writes:
> Do you suppose we'll ever see an html editor that allows you to preview
> what a page will look like rendered in plain ascii, rich text, and
> full graphics at assorted window sizes and color depths?
Amaya (www.w3.org) at least has the text mode preview. Although can't
you just preview things at different window sizes by resizing the
window? :)
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http://orangesherbert.ces.clemson.edu
"We got the MRxL, and you got none!"
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:08:56 +0100
And verily, didst [EMAIL PROTECTED] eloquently scribe:
> VHS *was* superior in the two important aspects that mattered most to
> the buying public: Price and recording time.
Not quite. OK Beta was more expensive, but that wasn't what decided it for
the public. The video industry turned their back on Beta because Sony
charged too much for the tapes and refused to allow other manufacturers to
make them, or players... Beta vs VHS was basically the same Apple Mac vs IBM
PC war.
As all the films were coming out on VHS by the early eighties, the public
didn't have much choice, unless they only wanted the video for recording and
never bought or rented films....
Besides, there was a third format, that was also better than VHS,,,
Video 2000 had 6 hour tapes that were double sided.
(And the quality was better than VHS there as well)
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From: Douglas Ritschel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Upgrade from Redhat 5.2 to 6.0
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:02:48 -0400
When I select Upgrade during the Redhat 6.0 installation, I receive the
following message:
"No RPM Database exists"
I tried rebooting in 5.2 and running rpm -rebuilddb. But the same error
occurs during the upgrade.
Any ideas?
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: chsh -s bsh
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:32:47 +0100
And verily, didst Greg Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> On a SuSe6.1 installation I was teaching my self how to use the
> different shell programs. Unfortunately I misspelled bash, I was root at
> the time, and now when I try to su or login as root It tells me bsh does
> not exist. Dumb move, but I seem to be locked out of root. Tia
Boot up into the rescue system on the CD.
Mount the filesystem that contains the /etc directory.
Edit /etc/passwd and put that a in bsh.
Save and reboot.
Everything should be fine.
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From: Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP. KDE Mailer lost all my e mails.
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:29:59 +0200
Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> KDE mail reader won't retreate e mail more than one at a time, then, it'll
> disappears, it will get another mail if restarted. But it only shows the
> last mail retreated.
> How can I recover all the lost mails?
Try deleting the .inbox.index file.
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0 and 1. Now what could be so hard about that?
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From: Artit J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xterm broken?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:02:06 GMT
Hi everybody. First, thanks for all your help. Based on these
responses, I think I need to recompile the X libraries. (Before, I was
using the glibc version of the X libraries, but I think they were too
old and were compiled for glibc 2.0x). What tipped me off to this is
that the glibc version of Netscape didn't work, even though it was
glibc. Also, NOTHING linked to x libraries worked. (For example, TCL/Tk
wouldn't even work! I put my old libc X libraries in my ld.so.conf file
until I can recompile Tcl/Tk.) Also, I fixed the xterm problem by
turning off Unix 98 PTYs in the kernel config. If my computer works
after this, I'll be happy (but I'll never, ever, ever do it again... :)
Thanks,
Artit
P.S. Word of warning. You don't want to compile Mozilla. I did,
thinking it would work, but after 20 hours and about 700 megs of
generated files, it seg faults. (This is Milestone build 9, your
mileage may vary).
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