Linux-Misc Digest #829, Volume #21 Wed, 15 Sep 99 23:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Booting 2.3.18 (F. Heitkamp)
Re: Absurd Linux mentality ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can only see 8Gb of 13Gb disk. (Kelly Burkhart)
Re: windows and linux on the same machine. ("John Coonrod")
Flash4 for Linux (RedHat 6.0/Netscape Communicator 4.6.1) (ger)
Re: Using SPARCPrinter under Linux. Can't recompile Ghostscript because of missing
files (Peter Hill)
Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop? (Eric Wyles)
Re: winmodem driver to linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to query fs on mystery floppy? (-ljl-)
Re: Metro Link OSF/Motif - Does it exist? (L J Bayuk)
Re: A How configure sendmail without a permanent domain name? (Jacek Sierpinski)
Re: ===Any way to set default font at startup?=== (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: What conflict? (Robert Heller)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (William Wueppelmann)
Re: How can I disable su? (Jerry Lapham)
Re: Need national ISP (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Tom Dominico, Jr.)
Re: Absurd Linux mentality ! (Marco Anglesio)
StarOffice5.1 + FAX (efax) (YOON, Joo-Yung)
Re: windows and linux on the same machine. ("David Truesdale")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (F. Heitkamp)
Subject: Re: Booting 2.3.18
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Sep 1999 00:23:37 GMT
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>F. Heitkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I've been trying to boot 2.3.18 on my Pentium I,
>>Tyan Tomcat II, Tekram SCSI 390 UW. It detects the hardware
>>and disks and so forth. Then stops with "cannot find init".
>
>>The system boots and runs fine with 2.2.9; the last kernel
>>that works on my hardware.
>
>I got some more information last night after I posted the
>previous message. What appears to be happening seems to be
>related to some change in the SCSI drivers. I have a Tekram
>390 UW controller with the 53C875 chip as controller 0.
>I also have a Symbios 875 based fast controller as controller
>1. With the older kernels I had only enabled the NCR53C8XX
>driver and both cards work together fine. Using that same
>driver in the 2.3.XX kernels results in only one SCSI host
>being detected or if I have both the new SYM53X8XX and the
>NCR53C8XX driver enabled all the disks are detected but out
>of order so that is why the init program can't be found.
>
>I've been reading the README.ncr53c8xx file and I see that
>there are a couple things I migh try in terms of config
>options. Can I just add the options to the .config file
>and make dep; make or is there some other way I should do
>it like say in the SCSI driver code itself?
Well I finally got the kernel to boot (from a floppy).
When I try make bzlilo and reboot the computer using lilo
I get "No setup signature found". Does anyone know what that
is?
If I find out before anyone tells me, I'll be sure and
follow myself up again. :)
Fred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Absurd Linux mentality !
Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:07:53 GMT
> 'visual method' would not be possible without the work of people who are
> proficient with the command line.
Yes, and they built 'on top of' asemblers, who built on top of hardware
switches ....... semiconductor physics.
When we only had TTY IO, cmd line was the only posibility.
But Now ! ? NB. I'm not talking about GUI (M$ cartoon-talk), but
SELECTION BY RECOGNITION, rather than remembering exact 'arbitrary'
syntax.
To the writer who wrote that the systax is NOT arbitrary:-
whether you have: Quit, quit, Q, exit, Exit, X, Z ...... IS arbitrary.
Menu drive, like the spread-sheets, Turbo-Pascal, Norton Comndr, and
many Linusx applications. MC for Linux is great, but apparently little
used because of the juvenile attitude - explained below.
>As for the 'schoolboy Linux
> mentality', I submit that computer gurus are proud of their proficiency
> as you would be proud of your skills if you were a concert pianist -
Exactly. They've learned to tie their shoe laces wearing boxing-gloves
& blind-folded. And understandably they don't want this 'proficiency'
to be 'devalued'.
And when I wrote 'you won't be using cmnd line, learned from the man,
and practiced to proficiency, like scales on the piano; I don't mean
cmnd line will not exist, but that YOU will either be dead, or have woken
up and asked your self "should I waste my human creativity" on remembering
whether it's Exit, quit or shit !!
Like the enthusiastic casino-gambler: he's either dead or educated
before 10 years, but there are other fools to replace him.
So Casinos will survive.
BTW this is written & posted on Oberon Sytem3:
single user, multitasking, on 386, Free-ware package size <8M ! Yes !
Whth ppp, Nws, Eml, W3, compiler, extendable; hypertext tutor, graphics
......etc.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Can only see 8Gb of 13Gb disk.
From: Kelly Burkhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 19:26:03 -0500
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:12:00 GMT, Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Web Serf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > In a message on Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:05:57 +0000, wrote :
> >
> >WS> Hello all, A long time ago I installed RH5.1 on this box and after
> >WS> trying a few things gave up on the idea of using more than 8GB of my
> >WS> 13Gb disk (I understand the BIOS limitations problem). In a while I'll
> >WS> be getting a new system and reformatting this one. I have tried adding
> >WS> 'append hda="1647,256,63"' to the lilo.conf file. This didn't work.
> >WS> Any ideas?
> >
> >What does your partition table look like? The Ext2 fs can only deal
> >with about 9 gig/partition, but Linux has no trouble with properly
> >*partitioned* disks of much larger sizes.
I have a Western Digital 13000RTL 13 gig drive and am able to use all
of it on my RH5.1 system.
The disk comes with some bios magic in a program called EZ-Drive which
is installed on the boot partition. I initially assumed that I would
not need this and tried everything to get Linux to recognize the
entire disk to no avail. I then made the large drive the master and
my previous drive the slave, installed EZ-Drive, moved lilo from the
MBR to my root partition on the new slave and told EZ-Drive to boot
there (I did this some time ago so I don't remember all the details
exactly).
Linux is able to recognize the EZ-Drive magic and adjust whatever
needs to be adjusted to recognize the entire disk. I was able to
fdisk and carve up all 13 gig of the drive.
HTH
--
Kelly R. Burkhart
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIDL error 0xc0000005: unexpected compiler problem. Try to find a work around.
-- Microsoft IDL compiler error message
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From: "John Coonrod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: windows and linux on the same machine.
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:54:02 -0400
Download ZIPSLACK from www.slackware.com. It runs linux from any sort of
Windows disk partition.
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From: ger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Flash4 for Linux (RedHat 6.0/Netscape Communicator 4.6.1)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:52:52 -0400
Hi,
I'm having a problem with Flash4 for Linux, installed as above. The
libflashplayer.so and ShockwaveFlash.class are
installed in $HOME/.netscape/plugins, and the flash portion of the
player works. about:plugins in Netscape reveals the
following:
Shockwave Flash
Shockwave Flash 4.0.r12
application/futuresplash FutureSplash
Player spl Yes
application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash
swf Yes
The problem is that when I visit any shock-enabled sites, the browser
pops up a window saying "A plugin for the MIME type
application/x-director was not found". Flash animations play
perfectly. I looked in the browsers plugin list, and sure enough, there
was no plugin configured to handle x-director, so I created one, for
suffixes dir, dcr, and dxr. It took a bit of messing about, because
Netscape didn't want to acknowledge the Shockwave plugin as being
eligible (I edited the file $HOME/.netscape/plugin-list to add the
entry, and then the browser picked it up). At this point, the popup
window disappeared, but the Shockwave animations still wouldn't
display. Re-installing the browser, with a clean .netscape directory
(and hence clean plugin directories) hasn't helped, nor has downgrading
the browser version, or re-installing the plugin under a variety of
circumstances.
If anyone has any ideas on this, I'd be very grateful. For such a small
(and probably obvious) thing, it's driving me mental.
Regards, Ger.
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From: Peter Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Using SPARCPrinter under Linux. Can't recompile Ghostscript because of
missing files
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:33:42 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
>I downloaded the latest version of GhostScript and am trying to
>recompile with support for a SPARCprinter as a device. The problem I
>am having is it looks like the SPARCprinter device driver code that is
>to be compiled into GhostScript, expects to be compiled under Solaris,
>not Linux.
>
>Has anyone interfaced the SPARCprinter to a Linux box and made it
>work?? If so, How???
>
>Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Andy
I worked for Xerox (Engineering Systems - offshoot that was originally
Versatec) and the Sparc Printer could only be driven by the tailored
SBUS Card + particular software that knew how to create the data for the
printer.
The chance of getting _anything_ out of Xerox about this printer is
somewhere below zero. First of all there is now nobody left who would
even recognise what you are talking about .... (I do/did and I left
about 4 years ago !)
Peter.
--
Peter Hill
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From: Eric Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop?
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,de.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:47 +1700
I use window maker and I am very pleased.
www.windowmaker.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: winmodem driver to linux
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:58:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>And verily, didst [EMAIL PROTECTED] eloquently scribe:
>> who can it be that still there not a driver
>> for winmodems for linux
>
>Nope. There isn't. And as there are 5000 different types of winmodem that
>would probably require 5000 seperate drivers, there's really no point in
>trying. Especially when the hardware manufacturers choose to be so
>uncooperative...
>
>Besides, winmodems are a total waste of space and processor time.
>(Why not make your sound card produce the modem sounds? It's the same
>principle)
>
...<snip>...
Hmmm, interesting idea. It would be quite a publicity stunt that
might make the general public more aware of just what they're getting
when they get a winmodem. But...is there a connection to the phone line?
Could an adapter be built and sold real cheap, "Use Your Soundcard as
a Modem!" the ads could say.
--
No statement is wholly true, not even this one.
also: remove "UhUh" and "Spam" to get my real email address -----
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to query fs on mystery floppy?
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:53:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (W. Tucker) wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have an unlabeled floppy disk on my desk and would like to see what
files it
> contains. The simple answer is to mount it and run the ls command.
But the
> mount command takes the file system type as an argument and I don't
know which
> to specify since the floppy could be in either msdos or ext2 format.
While I
> could mount it each way and see which one works, I was hoping for a
more
> elegant solution. Is there some handy utility for determining which
file
> system a floppy is using? Would this also work if the floppy was a
boot/root
Sometimes these types of disk do *not* have a filesystem. The kernel
and root are images copied to a raw-formatted disk. If these disk
contain a filesystem you could try:
mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
My system seems to autodetect the more common filesystems, msdos,
minix, ext2.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: Metro Link OSF/Motif - Does it exist?
Date: 16 Sep 1999 00:56:15 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <7rmpmd$6gt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>>...
>> 2. Motif is available for Red Hat 5.2 only (although this fact isn't
>> mentioned on Metro Link's big ads in Linux Journal). There is no
>> release date for Motif and XRT for Red Hat 6.0.
>>
>If you go to the metrolink site and access technical support, it states
>that Metrolink Motif is compatible with RH6. I have the latest Metrolink
>Motif, but don't have RH6 running currently. Someone else may be able
>to comment on this.
OK, thanks, I see it. They say it works on RH 6.0 as long as you static
link the Motif library, but dynamic link the C library. You can't static
link both Motif and Glib 2.1, and they have no target date for a fix.
I'll pass the information along.
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From: Jacek Sierpinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: A How configure sendmail without a permanent domain name?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:24:13 GMT
> Just use "Dmyour.domain.com"
>
> or something like that, in the .cf file.
If you think e.g. DMeternal.net -
I tried it also and it also didn't work. Though I got error messages
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Jacek Sierpinski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: ===Any way to set default font at startup?===
Date: 16 Sep 1999 00:58:57 GMT
Andrew Purugganan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I am able to manipulate the colors of the bash prompt on my plain old
: text screen. Am I restricted to the default fonts though, because I am
: able to pick and choose different fonts in Xwindows. Or is it because
: Xwindows has a font server running? Reply by e-mail would be appreciated,
: but I'll still be lurking
Ha! found it! fntcol16.zip nya nya nya nya nya nya:-P
--
Andy Purugganan
annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
e-mail reply always appreciated, but i'll still be lurking here
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What conflict?
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:40:05 GMT
Stone Y Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:08:12 +0800, wrote :
SYL> Machine: Compaq Desktop 2000
SYL>
SYL> Network adapters: 3Com Etherlink III ISA 3c509b-combo PnP
SYL> Sound card: ES1868 Plug and Play AudioDrive
SYL> Display Adapter: Compaq S3V2/GX PCI V1.80
SYL>
SYL> O.S : Redhat 6.0 (& Windows95)
SYL>
SYL> Problem description:
SYL> step 1: use command "sndconfig". it told me it found my card, but
SYL> something
SYL> conflicting. I don't care about it yet.
SYL> step 2: turn on audio support in Gnome. Listen music ...,
SYL> enjoyable! ;-)
SYL> step 3: find that I can't ping my server and ftp doesn't work any
SYL> more.
SYL> step 4: reboot to Windows95 and find that ping and ftp work well.
SYL> step 5: reboot to Linux again. When rebooting, it told me there are
SYL> some conflicts
SYL> in isapnp.conf.
SYL> step 6: screen went dark. And I can't login to Gnome or command
SYL> line at all.
SYL> step 7: shut down the power and restart to Linux. This time there
SYL> are still conflicts
SYL> in isapnp.conf but I can login to Gnome.
SYL> step 8: turn off audio support in Gnome, try to use command
SYL> "sndconfig" again. After
SYL> it told me it found my card, it stopped working. Also
SYL> my keyboard and mouse
SYL> don't work any more. My machine is down. I have to shut
SYL> down the power. :-(
SYL>
SYL> Can you tell me how to solve this problem? (Of course, I still want to
SYL> listen to the music. )
SYL>
SYL> Thanks in advance!
SYL>
SYL> --
SYL> Stone Y Li
SYL> Tel: 86-532-8702000 ext.5240
SYL> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SYL> Lucent Technologies
SYL>
SYL>
SYL>
Disable PNP on the EtherNet card and use the disk that came with it to
autoconfigure it. You'll need a 'MS-DOS' boot floppy, which you can
make under Win95. Win95 will probably barf a bit the next time you boot
-- you may have to re-install the Win95 driver (or re-configure it).
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:13:07 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:53:44 -0700),
the artist formerly known as K. Bjarnason said:
>
>Well, I think the UI needs to become a whole lot more friendly, and -
>despite rants from some of the *nix crowd - more standardized, but given
>that - and compatibility with existing Windows apps, at least in terms
>of sharing data files - then yes, that could well be.
The UI is friendly to me in that it lets me do what I want with a minimum
of fighting and cursing. Remember, Forrest Gump was `friendly'. But I
wouln't want to have to work with him.
>I still say the UI needs to become standardized. Envision for the
>moment your next-door-neighbour John running Linux at home and at work.
>At home he's bought distro X and a month later, the office decides to go
>with distro Y - with a completely (or at least significantly) different
>UI. Now he has to either learn both, or throw his out and buy distro Y.
Come on. There are people who use Windows at work and Macs at home -- two
completely different operating systems -- and their brains don't explode.
There are people who successfully mastered the leap from Windows 3.1 to
Windows 95 and then to Windows 98 and some of them didn't go insane. We
*are* basically talking about window managers, Not jumbo jets, space
shuttles or nuclear power plant, right? Don't forget that at work, the IS
department is going to take care of anything remotely technical anyway,
just like they do with Windoze today.
It would be a tremendous shame to scrap choice for everyone for the sake of
those few with too few cluons to master two similar but not identical point
and click interfaces.
>Fine; he gets the hang of that, then heads down to the local library,
>which, in a fit of helpfulness, has decided to install computers to help
>people find things, copy files, etc, etc. Except, it uses distro Z with
>yet another interface.
Why would he volunteer to install something he doesn't know anything about?
If he's volunteered to do this but the local library is insistent that he
use Distro X and he's not comfortable doing it, then the library has to
find another volunteer. Besides, how many people who aren't comfortable
enough with Linux to use multiple distributions are going to volunteer to
set up systems for other people? And would you really want someone to set
up a system for public use if they didn't understand enough about
Linux/Unix in general to adapt to a different distribution?
>Sure, this is an excessive example - intentionally. The point is, if
>you encounter and have to cope with more than one machine, unless you're
>the geek/admin type to start with, it's liable to be confusing - but
>what, if any, concrete benefit is there to it?
You mean you want to know why I use Debian even though RedHat is the most
popular distribution, and why others wouldn't want to use anything but
Slackware, if they use a distribution at all, while at the same time others
swear by SuSE or Mandrake? Or why some people love Windowmaker or
Afterstep while others are sticking with fvwm? If there weren't people who
thought one distribution, window manager or whatever was better suited to
their needs than any other, that distro/wm/whatever probably wouldn't be
around.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry Lapham)
Subject: Re: How can I disable su?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:47:30
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/13/99
at 07:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Doe) said:
> I thank everyone for the answer but is it possible for a user to just
> bring a su program from another box and install it in her path like
> /home/girl/bin. If I were the user who is thwarted by not being able to
> run su that is how I would go about doing it.
Why does it matter whether a user has access to su if he/she doesn't have
the password?
-Jerry
--
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Written Wednesday, September 15, 1999 - 12:47 AM (EDT)
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MR/2 Ice tag: Eschew obfuscation!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Need national ISP
Date: 16 Sep 1999 01:12:45 GMT
ORRIN ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:30:19 -0400, Alex Kaufman
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Many services offer 800 access for an extra fee. Whats wrong with
: changing to a local phone number when you travel? I use NTR as a
: travel/backup ISP since they have a 5 hour/month plan that is not
: expensive and works with whatever software I already have. You can
: check them out at www.ntr.net.
what a buddy of mine does before his trip is, he connects only to
download the most recent table of local access numbers for his
destination. I have to ask him how much does he have to d/load though.
unless you're one of them road warriors that don't even have time to
unpack in between trips ;-)
--
Andy Purugganan
annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
e-mail reply always appreciated, but i'll still be lurking here
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Dominico, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:54:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joseph Crowe) wrote in <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909151511300.18905
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>That depends. In my situation, I have a Windows 98 box that is used
> by
>me and my SO. She uses it for light WP, ICQ, email and browsing the
>web. Her interface to Windows98 is a login and password(much less secure
>than Linux...in fact a joke and a bad one indeed). Her interface to
>Linux is a login and a password. She uses Netscape on Linux for email
>and web browsing. She uses Corel Wordperfect for WP and LICQ for ICQ.
>This is Jane user you are talking about. A properly setup Linux system
>is no more difficult to use than a Windows box and one hell of a lot
>more stable.
You are correct, but the key words here are "properly set up". I should
have been more specific; that was really what I was referring to when I
mentioned Linux being complicated. Your SO has a sysadmin to help her
(i.e. you). Many users might not be so lucky.
>The simple fact
>> is that the average user needs/wants most of this stuff to be shielded
>> from them.
>
> I'm not so sanguine about that Tom. It depends on the individual,
> of
>course, but in my experience, outside of very casual users, almost
>everybody wants to learn more about the computing experience.
Well, all I can say is that my experience with end-users has been
different. While some genuinely want to learn, (for me) the majority
haven't.
>Even if it
>only means learning all the ins and outs of an application, this seems
>true. In the case of systemic failures, we find the real weakness of
>the Windows experience. In such cases, Joe or Jane user as you call
>them, will be told most often, just reboot, let Scandisk run and try
>again. But what about the case where that solves nothing? Then you
>have a case where a naive user wipes the disk and does a reinstall?
>Sadly, that's the case with Windows98 over time.
I will not argue with you on this one. "Scandisk and Defrag" are the
mantras of many Windows tech support personnel. Like I've mentioned
before, I do agree that ideally users should be more knowledgeable, but
that may be an unrealistic hope.
>> How else do you explain the success of Windows, or the iMac?
>
> Savvy marketting and gullibility on the part of users. FWIW, MacOS
> has
>proven far more stable than Windows.....anyway, these platforms are
>successful because naive users do not know enough to expect better from
>the OS vendors. It becomes a religious issue.....people do not like
>being told they made a bad choice....and the circumstances are self
>-perpetuating because developers write software for markets where it
>sells...
>> Esp. in
>> the case of Windows; people admit that it has problems, but it lets
>> them do what they want to without a lot of work. If rebooting once or
>> twice a day is the price for that ease-of-use, they are apparently
>> willing to pay it.
>
> This is definitely true...but it's an ignorance factor. But, I think
>that Linux is about six months from coming of age.....lots of heavy
>hitters are lining up behind Linux and right now, I see this as a
>momentum event.
I agree, Linux is moving at a *very* rapid pace, and has already come a
long way in terms of ease-of-use. The fact there there are different
distros allows users to choose one that suits their skill level - maybe
Caldera or the new Corel one for a new user, or perhaps Debian or
Slackware for someone who doesn't want all the "fluff". Some call this
fragmentation, but maybe it is actually a benefit. More choice is good.
Maybe Linux will turn out the be my "dream OS"... The one that can offer
both ease of use (if you want it) and power/stability. I am eagerly
watching the developments on this front.
>If I can just
>convince them to use Linux for the subset of tasks that it does well, it
>will be a step in the right direction. Linux will definitely give them
>better performance than Windows98 as well as decent security and
>stability.....
Again, no arguments with you there.
Tom Dominico
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Subject: Re: Absurd Linux mentality !
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:56:05 GMT
On 15 Sep 1999 20:07:53 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> as you would be proud of your skills if you were a concert pianist -
>Exactly. They've learned to tie their shoe laces wearing boxing-gloves
>& blind-folded. And understandably they don't want this 'proficiency'
>to be 'devalued'.
Oh, bull. Most programmers will go to whatever offers them the best
tradeoff between easy of use and precision; my time is valuable enough so
that I'll move to whatever offers me the best option. CLI applications,
even in a graphical environment, tend to offer me that, which is why I use
them.
If you want to compare using the CLI to playing the piano, basic commands
like tar are the scales and you're complaining that you can't play
chopsticks. Not to be overly blunt, but boo hoo.
marco
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From: YOON, Joo-Yung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: StarOffice5.1 + FAX (efax)
Date: 16 Sep 1999 01:34:22 GMT
I would like to know how I can send a fax
under StarOffice 5.1 by using efax.
Thanks in advance
Joo-Yung
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From: "David Truesdale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: windows and linux on the same machine.
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:29:36 -0500
Better yet get Win4Lin and run Windows applications on your linux OS without
having to switch back and forth. Also the blue screen won't mean a thing
when running this way just restart your session and continue on. I have had
the oppurtunity to evaluate the beta from Trelos and it looks very
promising.
G. Pollack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dave Robbins wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I was wondering, how would I go about using windows and linux on my
> > computer? My computer is a Compaq Presario 5724.
> > Thanks for your time.
> > Dave Robbins
> >
> > ------------------ Posted via CNET Linux Help ------------------
> > http://www.searchlinux.com
> (1) Install linux on a separate disk partition, and use LILO to choose
> whether to boot into windows or linux, or
> (2) Install linux, and then use vmware (http://www.vmware.com) to run
> windows in a virtual computer running under linux; that way you can run
> both windows and linux simultaneously.
>
> --
> Gerald Pollack
> Dept. of Biology, McGill University
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