Linux-Misc Digest #829, Volume #27 Fri, 11 May 01 08:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Ximian Gnome changed Login manager despite telling it not to (David)
Re: Ximian Gnome changed Login manager despite telling it not to ("Bill Hartwell")
Free bugtracking system ("Peet Grobler")
Re: Linux in college & high school ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Linux in college & high school ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Free bugtracking system ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Netscape helper applications? (Bill Simpson)
Re: Default Kernel configuration in RH Linux. (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: Make prompt blink in KDE (Stephen Rank)
Re: SuSE Linux 7.1 ISO Download (Corne Beerse)
Re: weird message i've never seen before ("rich")
Re: Free bugtracking system ("Peet Grobler")
Re: linux installation (Stanislaw Flatto)
Freezes druing starting up (Teke Tu)
Re: What is sendmail? ("Lupus Yonderboy")
Re: SuSE Linux 7.1 ISO Download ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Freezes druing starting up ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux in college & high school (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: vmware, partition magic and windows me? (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Re: latex -> PDF. How to do it properly? (Joshua Baker-LePain)
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Ximian Gnome changed Login manager despite telling it not to
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:14:47 GMT
Bill Hartwell wrote:
>
>
> Part of the problem is that the phone line is so bad I get between 36 and
> 95 percent packet loss, depending on the time of day, the weather,
> whether the landlord has watered the lawn, etc.
Sounds like you need to have the phone company run a new line to the
house/apartment if watering the lawn affects your connection. They are
responsible for the line up to the building and if you pay the extra for
them to maintain it inside then they should fix it inside also.
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
Completed more W/U's than 99.196% of seti users. +/- 0.01%
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From: "Bill Hartwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Ximian Gnome changed Login manager despite telling it not to
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:31:33 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Hartwell wrote:
>>
>>
>> Part of the problem is that the phone line is so bad I get between 36
>> and 95 percent packet loss, depending on the time of day, the weather,
>> whether the landlord has watered the lawn, etc.
>
>
> Sounds like you need to have the phone company run a new line to the
> house/apartment if watering the lawn affects your connection. They are
> responsible for the line up to the building and if you pay the extra for
> them to maintain it inside then they should fix it inside also.
>
Yup. That's what I need. Unfortunately, my phone company is US West. The
"put in your service order and get a response to it in 6 to 18 months
(depending on how large your contract is)" company.
Needless to say, I'm eagerly anticipating cable arriving in my
neighborhood.
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From: "Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Free bugtracking system
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:11:22 +0200
Does anyone know of a free bug tracking system?
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:37:57 +0600
Christopher Corbell wrote:
> I'm looking for leads to information, statistics, or just
> individual testimonials about the use of Linux in educational
> settings, particularly in high school, community college,
> university, and grad school settings. Does anyone out there
> know of any general sources of information on the use of
> Linux in these settings?
No stats, but anecdotes galore...
re UT Austin, Department of Computer Sciences:
For students not far advanced in the core curriculum, there is a "micro
lab" full of Windows PCs and Macs (83 systems, if their Web page is up
to date). Once they have taken 5 (IIRC) CS courses, they get a
"permanent" CS account, which gives them access to several labs full of
Linux or Unix machines. (I can see 91 Linux systems by logging in and
issuing a command; the Unix systems are in addition to that.)
Additionally, almost every CS grad student has a Linux machine on
his/her desktop. There are numerous additional Linux machines in
various research labs. (One example among many, the robotics lab is
working on an intelligent wheelchair, and the wheelchair-robot has a
couple of Linux machines for its brains.)
As for other departments:
I don't have much direct knowledge, but I see signs of Linux creeping in
everywhere. I went to talk to some bio grad students about genetics
last week (I do genetic algorithms), and saw that one of their advanced
grad students had installed Linux on his computer. (gkrellm caught my
eye; he happened to run it in the same corner of his desktop that I do.
He was running GNOME/Sawfish, used emacs to tweak one of his draft
papers for me, and LaTeX to gen up a fresh version for me.) I spent a
few hours in the Chemistry computer center last semester, and while
there I heard someone complaining about some lame Windows problem, and
the lab director shrugged it off with "I just do it in Linux". I didn't
see any Linux systems in the lab, but the comment shows where the
techies' loyalty lies, and that is probably a good predictor for future
adoption of Linux within the lab itself. (BTW, his comment indicated
that the fancy 3D molecular modelling tools we were using have all been
ported to Linux.)
Speculating:
I think in most universities you will find that Linux is one solution
among many, acting as a peer to the others in CS and EE/ECE, but
probably still a minority or exotic system in many other departments.
I think you will see it continuing to move in everywhere in the natural
sciences, starting with research labs and trickling down to ordinary use
from there. Departments that need lots of CPU time for number crunching
(e.g., simulators) will probably use it most, for reasons of cost (the
compilers and other tools, as well as the OS), so I would expect to find
it often in physics, chemistry, and engineering as well as in CS.
One big factor in OS choice is that lots of schools get equipment
donations. For non-x86 hardware, this will usually come with the
vendor's OS (e.g., Unix systems). x86 hardware donations will *usually*
come with Windows, but there are exceptions. (E.g., Dell gave UTCS a
bunch of desktops a few years back, sans OS. They know we use
Linux/Unix, and presumably they were able to avoid paying the MS tax by
giving us OSless systems.)
In departments where Linux/Unix is already entrenched, I would expect a
high proportion of purchased hardware to be x86 + Linux, for reasons of
cost.
Lots of schools/departments like to brag about their computer systems,
so you might be able to pick schools at random, visit their Web sites,
wade down to individual departments, and see what they have. However,
these will probably underrepresent Linux, as they will tend to list the
big undergraduate labs rather than the research groups' labs. For
instance, the brief mention of Linux at
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/UTCS/labs/Facilities.html would not tell
you that there are currently 91 Linux machines just in the "three Unix
laboratories", and doesn't give the faintest hint about the number of
research machines and graduate student workstations running Linux.
(E.g., just the neural network research group has another 20 or so, and
even I wouldn't know this if I were not part of that group.)
BTW, the Linux machines supported by the CS department here all run
Debian, but Red Hat is common in some of the labs that maintain their
own systems.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
p.s. - Next fall, our CS department is launching a new one-hour rotating
topics class, CS 108 "Software Systems". For the first semester the
topic will be "Intro to Unix", taught by yours truly. To my surprise,
about 125 undergraduates already signed up for it during early
registration. (It doesn't count toward the degree, so I assume they
signed up out of interest in the subject matter.) For the spring
semester I have proposed a "Running Unix at Home" topic for the class,
and the initial reaction to my proposal has been favorable, though it is
still very much up in the air (they think they will need to offer the
"Intro to Unix" again instead).
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:43:20 +0600
I should have also mentioned that two summers ago UT's program in Library
and Information Sciences offered a course on Linux for their graduate
students. Unfortunately, I negelected to go over and find out the nature
of their interest. At any rate, this suggests that interest in Linux is
not strictly limited to programs in natural sciences and engineering
(though I suspect it is still very heavily slanted that way).
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Free bugtracking system
Date: 11 May 2001 08:51:34 GMT
Peet Grobler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a free bug tracking system?
Go on www.sourceforge.org and make a search for "bug tracking".
You'll found a dozen...
Davide
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From: Bill Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape helper applications?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:53:32 +0000
I am running Netscape 4.7 under Linux. I am having problems getting Netscape
to automatically open .pdf files when browsing.
I go to preferences/navigator/applications/
choose: Portable Document Format
insert the helper application: acroread
On my system acroread will start up acroreader.
When I have done this, and am browsing a pdf file with netscape, it will start
up acroreader BUT the acroreader window is empty. It doesn't automatically
open the file I am browsing.
Can anyone tell me how to get it set up properly? I am finding more and
more that people are putting .pdf links up instead of html and it is too
painful to have to download each .pdf and then start up acroread manually.
Thanks very much for any help!
Bill
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Default Kernel configuration in RH Linux.
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:17:22 GMT
root wrote:
> Hi, I want to get ``.config'' file of Kernel configuration in
> RH Linux distribution. The Kernel in Linux distribution has
> many modules and it works on various machines.
But, if you build your own Kernel, it will only have to run on one
machine.
So, I think that you are going about this backwards.
For example, the RH Kernel has support for many sound cards compiled as
modules.
But you only have one sound card and you would probably be better off
having support for that specific sound card built in.
Then there is IDE support. This must be built into the Kernel and the
RH Kernel would have to have support for all chipsets, but if you make a
custom Kernel, you would only need support for the chip on your system.
SCSI, you only need this if you need it.
ETC.
JRT
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From: Stephen Rank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Make prompt blink in KDE
Date: 11 May 2001 10:31:44 +0100
Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[ ... ]
>
> xterm: bad command line option "-bc"
>
> Do I have an old version of xterm or something?
Hmmm... Perhaps you do; I've got the ``XFree86 4.0.1h(149)'' version,
which has this option.
Stephen
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From: Corne Beerse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE Linux 7.1 ISO Download
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:27:49 +0200
Dave Uhring wrote:
>
> Aegis wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Anyone can suggest where it is possible to download SuSE Linux 7.1 ISO
> > images? SuSE made its distro available only as huge 5 GB directory.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
>
> You cannot download installable SuSE Linux 7.1 ISO images. See this from
> their site:
Yes, and read the bottom line too!
>
> In order to be able to maintain this service in the future, as well as
> meeting the accompanying wishes of our customers, we are dependent on
> sales of our products and services, and must ensure that an adequate cost
> structure exists within our company.
>
> For the purposes of testing and evaluation, we have made a great effort to
> provide a variation of SuSE Linux which does not have to be installed,
> and which makes it extremely easy to try out SuSE Linux or examine its
> hardware requirements.
>
> With our SuSE Linux FTP version (SuSE Linux Professional, excluding
> commercial program packages, which we are not allowed to offer on their
> own for download) we provide a free service for all those who wish to
> install
> SuSE Linux via FTP.
>
> We are currently providing ISO images for download for all
> non-Intel/AMD/PPC platforms (IA64, AXP, S/390 and Sparc), since these
> products
> cannot be made available everywhere, worldwide and at the accustomed speed.
There they are, nobody asked for intel/amd/ppc distro's.
--
Everything should be as simple as possible but not simpler - A. Einstein
Corne' Beerse | Alcatel Telecom Nederland
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From: "rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: weird message i've never seen before
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:47:20 GMT
Hi
I don't get this problem on my machine, but the very simple answer is that
memory allocation is failing - something is requesting a page of memory and
there are no free pages available. So the real question you should be asking
is what is eating the memory, and not releasing it once used, and how do you
go about finding out?
Rich
"Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> This message took up 30000 lines in my /var/log/messages file (it was
> repeated). Can anyone tell me what it means?
>
> May 4 18:35:14 bigblue kernel: __alloc_pages: 3-order allocation failed.
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From: "Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Free bugtracking system
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:07:09 +0200
Thanks.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<9dg96m$hs1v4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Peet Grobler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a free bug tracking system?
>
>Go on www.sourceforge.org and make a search for "bug tracking".
>You'll found a dozen...
>
>Davide
>
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux installation
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:31:57 +1000
Christian Rose wrote:
> Your comment makes no sense, and it doesn't help anyone. Please go troll
> somewhere else.
>
> Christian
Could not resist but read what you say, will do.
Are we not in Linux for having fun?
Stanislaw.
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From: Teke Tu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Freezes druing starting up
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:30:03 -0000
I have just installed RH 7.1 in one of my logic partition of my harddisk.
so I used floopy disk to boot up to linux.
the first time I started my linux , everything went well, but the second
time I boot up my computer.. it just stopped after line which shows
{Configuring Kernel Parameter [OK]).
so I reinstalled agian.. and agian.. it couldn't fix the problem.
any expert here know what's the problem here??
Thank you very much
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From: "Lupus Yonderboy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is sendmail?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:47:13 +0200
"Dean Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[cut]
> As for the real beauty
> of Exchage (the Web Mail), you will have to look around for a product
which
> does it. I know that there are a few out there which are capable of doing
the
> task, but their names and URL's escape me. However, I would be interested
in
> any web front ends that you did manage to find.
http://www.endymion.com/ have the best webmail interfaces for linux, imho...
ranging from free (for non-commercial institutions) to quite cheap prices
compared to other similar programs. give it a look. i installed Endymion
MailMan free version on my university server and everybody was enthusiast...
it's as professional looking and well working as yahoo or hotmail.
lupus
--
Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any
Indian.
-- Robert Orben
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE Linux 7.1 ISO Download
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:49:22 GMT
Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>> What are you on about? What could the benefit be of having an iso image
>> to ftp when you have the ftp archive itself? Install over ftp! Save
>> yourself a coaster into the bargain.
> The benefit of having an iso image burned to CD is that
> 1). If you don't install the entire system and later realize that you need
> a package, it is on your CD.
That costs you just as much time to get via the ftp archive as it cost to
put on the iso image in the first place. Plus with the ftp update you
get offered all the updates of yoru installed programs that are
available! So there is no disadvantage.
> 2). If (when?) you trash the system, with a CD you can reinstall without
You _never_ reinstalls a system. That lesson should be learned early.
One fixes it.
> having to resort to another FTP install.
Resort? Yet another? Don't break it in the first place. And why didn't
you backup the 2G?
> The position that SuSE has taken WRT ISO images IMHO will do them no good.
Sounds great to me. I've never installed from a cd rom, and I've had
linux for at least seven years. The few times I've done installs from
distros I've always used ftp. Where I am I get close to 1MB/s from the
nearest mirrors. And it's alwaysup to date.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Freezes druing starting up
Date: 11 May 2001 11:15:19 GMT
> {Configuring Kernel Parameter [OK]).
That part is done in /etc/rc.sysinit, it configure some parameter
about IP, set the system time and other things...
Try boot with a boot disk, mount your root partition and look
into /var/log/messages if there are problems reported.
Davide
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:24:01 +1200
Christopher Corbell wrote:
>
> I'm looking for leads to information, statistics, or just
> individual testimonials about the use of Linux in educational
> settings, particularly in high school, community college,
> university, and grad school settings. Does anyone out there
> know of any general sources of information on the use of
> Linux in these settings? I would especially be interested
> in the use of Linux in math & science education. Also, I'd
> like to know about any advocacy groups, PC 'salvage' groups
> or similar organizations that are active in getting Linux
> used in schools.
>
> Thanks for any info.
> - Christopher
Massey University in Wellington uses Digital UNIX for their servers
running Samba. This is used as their main server OS, along with squid
for proxy services.
Central Institute of Technology (now known as Welltec). Debian UNIX,
used in UNIX OS module.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vmware, partition magic and windows me?
Date: 11 May 2001 11:43:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My goal is to have a system that is mainly linux-based, but allows me to boot
> into windows when I want to play computer games or download pictures from my
> digital camera or play with video editing software. I have a top quality
> Radeon graphics card that works fairly well in windows me.
For the digital camera work, you could probably do it in Linux native.
Look at gphoto and the Gimp. In turns of games, 2D games are fine in
VMware, but not 3D. 3D rendering is not hardware accelerated.
> I used partition magic to format the windows me partitions, and I started to
> create some logical linux partitions, but the logical partitions I created
> while in Win ME Partition Magic didn't appear when I tried to start the
> install from disk druid. QUESTION: If I create a partition with a label like
> /usr, why don't they appear in disk druid?
The labels shouldn't matter too much. I tend to create one primary partition
for / and logicals for everything else.
> I bought a vmware license and then realized that the host os must be operated
> after the original (linux) o.s. Of course, I had installed in reverse order,
> starting with the os i wanted not to use very much. QUESTION: If I have win
> me already installed and plan to install linux, is there no way that VMWARE
> produce a virtual terminal?
I'm not sure what you mean here. You *can* use VMware to boot an already
installed Windows system -- look at Raw Disk mode and the documentation on
their website.
> It sounds as if I'm going to have to resign myself to dual booting. If so why
> is disk druid unable to detect the logical partitions I made in partition
> magic? Should I have made everything a primary partition in linux? I had
> planned to use 6 or 7?
Run partition magic again and make sure they are there. What error message
did you get? If this is an all IDE system, I think you'll need a second
primary partition on the first disk to boot Linux from (i.e. / or /boot).
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: latex -> PDF. How to do it properly?
Date: 11 May 2001 12:00:16 GMT
Professor J Frink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah. SuSE still seem to think it's ok to produce a distro with 5.50. I've no
> idea why.
The licensing issues with ghostscript are... complex, to say the least.
It used to be that you were free to use any version, but you could only
distribute the version one older than the most recent. That lasted until
6.0 (thus distros using 5.5). The post-6.0 licensing is different, and I
haven't quite figured it out (admittedly, I haven't tried too hard). FWIW,
RH 7.1 (released very recently) ships with 5.5 as well.
> This is what I've tried in my own little latex2pdf script, but unfortunately
> on gs 5.50 it doesn't seem to make any difference. A bit of compilery may be
> in order. Our solly boxes have 6.50, I'll give them a whizz first.
6.5 works great. I've had some issues with 7.0, but I think it may be
an install thing (I went from the RPMs) rather than anything wrong with
that version.
> Been over to frink at the lemurs?
Ashamedly, I have not yet been over there, although it's always been on my
list of things I need to go do. And I had to google to figure out wtf
"frink" means. I like it, although I'm not sure I want to attract that
sort of attention from them. ;)
Good luck.
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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