Linux-Misc Digest #537, Volume #24 Sat, 20 May 00 20:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: What is this?? ("David ..")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: sound over network (Dances With Crows)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Email notification of passwd expiration ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Disk De-partitioning ("David ..")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Is OpenGL hardware accelerated? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LILO problem with large IDE disk (root)
Re: Web mail, recommendations for unix ? (Marko Stolle)
Re: Web mail, recommendations for unix ? (Marko Stolle)
Editor for linux like WinEDT available? (David)
Re: Editor for linux like WinEDT available? (Thomas Luzat)
Disregard--test message ("john calison")
Re: serial mice & cheap motherboards ? (Mike Keiser)
Re: Editor for linux like WinEDT available? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: DOSemu Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Email notification of passwd expiration ("Tom Hoffmann")
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: Re: What is this??
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:19:53 -0500
Chris Carbaugh wrote:
>
> Cookies themselves can't execute anything. You seem to know some info
> about cookies, and therefore should know that they are merely a storage
> device for a website. Only the website (domain) that created the cookie
> can read the info they placed in it (well... for the most part).
>
> I've never used a cookie to store this kind of info, and I don't see any
> reason why netscape does. At most netscape just reads this info in the
> next time you visit their site, and at that point you're already open to
> any scripting they want to run in their HTML.
>
> Personally I wouldn't give it a second thought, but then again, I rarely
> monitor my cookies. There is so much more personal info about me (or
> you) that can be found on the net, what's in a cookie to be worried
> about?
>
> Chris
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the reply. I don't remember seeing a cookie that refered to
a script before as this one does. Since I use junkbuster it really
doesn't bother me except when I go to check my newsgroup mail from
hotmail. I can always delete it after I read my mail but was just
curious to see if anyone had any idea as to what kind of information the
cookie script might be gathering or what the
"kcookie <script>location="."</script><script>do{}while(true)</script>"
part of it was or did. I searched my system to see if I could find
anything that didn't belong there but nothing showed up. So I did a
couple of experiments to see if it was just hotmail using it, but I
found that it was added back to my cookie file by many of the websites I
tried the experiment on, so I don't think it is just an M$ thing. I have
even contacted Netscape about it, though I haven't heard from them yet
and kind of doubt that I will. The "do{}while(true)" part is what I'm
curious to find out about.
Anyways thanks for the reply.
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 20 May 2000 17:37:50 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>It is the RPM BS that has caused me to abandon that format whenever
>>>possible. Instead, I prefere to install software from source.
>>>Packages that conform to the ./configure, make, make install mantra
>>>are easy to build and put where you want them.
>>
>>You left out the dozen obligatory arguments to ./configure that
>>are different for every package to make it interoperate with
>
> I dunno about you, but I rarely if ever actually need to
> use any of those options...
You need them IF you have installed a modern distribution that
already includes the thing you are updating, and you want
it all to work the same after you apply your fix.
>[deletia]
>
> The point of automation is to avoid such manual futzing.
You do avoid it if you wait till someone else does it and
then just install the packaged version. If you have some
reason to need a fix the day a patch is out or need some
local changes until the next release, you need the futzing
but with the rpm scheme even most of the futzing is automated.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: sound over network
Date: 20 May 2000 18:45:12 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 May 2000 20:35:16 GMT, root
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>- I have two pc's, server and client(01).
>- server has a working soundcard, client no souncard at all
>- someone (and the esd "documentation") told me it was possible to play xmms
> (or another sound proggie) on the server, but sound coming out of the client
> speakers by using esd. The esd man says:
>All client programs (exept esdctl) can connect to remote hosts via the
>ESPEAKER environment variable; export ESPEAKER=inet.addr.of.host:port for
>bash; setenv ESPEAKER inet.addr.of.host;port for tcsh. The client will
>connect to EsounD running on the specified host on the specified port.
>I think this means I have to run esd on the server, en set ESPEAKER on
>the client. Problem is that I don't know how to discover what port esd is
>running on on the server. Actually all I know about ports is that 80 is
>for http, bu not what they acyually are...
>So to conclude: what should I set ESPEAKER to?
(Usenet: Causing more misunderstandings before 9AM than most
communications media cause all day.)
Let's see, after starting up esd and running nmap on my own machine, I
noticed ports 728 and 766 freshly opened. nmap is a "port scanner" often
used to determine network vulnerabilities/do script-kiddie things. It
also has legitimate uses.
Or you can start esd with the -port XXX option, which forces esd to listen
for connections on port XXX. (Found that out by typing "esd -h".) That's
probably your best bet; do "esd -port 4990" on the client and "export
ESPEAKER=your.ip.addr:4990" on the server. That should work.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:46:43 GMT
On 20 May 2000 17:37:50 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>It is the RPM BS that has caused me to abandon that format whenever
>>>>possible. Instead, I prefere to install software from source.
>>>>Packages that conform to the ./configure, make, make install mantra
>>>>are easy to build and put where you want them.
>>>
>>>You left out the dozen obligatory arguments to ./configure that
>>>are different for every package to make it interoperate with
>>
>> I dunno about you, but I rarely if ever actually need to
>> use any of those options...
>
>You need them IF you have installed a modern distribution that
>already includes the thing you are updating, and you want
Who said anything about 'updating'. I'm talking about the
'new' stuff I compile. I typically don't bother with source
for more stable projects.
>it all to work the same after you apply your fix.
>
>>[deletia]
>>
>> The point of automation is to avoid such manual futzing.
>
>You do avoid it if you wait till someone else does it and
>then just install the packaged version. If you have some
Is this supposed to be describing binary packages or
makefiles, as I've always thought of reasonably
complete source packages as serving this purpose.
>reason to need a fix the day a patch is out or need some
>local changes until the next release, you need the futzing
>but with the rpm scheme even most of the futzing is automated.
Where I've found rpm most useful are those projects that
seem to be made of a million or so parts and doing a
'build World' is a manual process.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Email notification of passwd expiration
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:35:26 GMT
Is there a tool to automate sending an e-mail notice when a user's
password is about to expire?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:59:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
[is OpenGL hardware-accelerated?]
> >No. It isn't.
> >It may have the potential to be accelerated at some point in the
> >future, but, as of this writing, it is not. NVIDIA has flatly stated
> >that they will not be doing hardware-accelerated OpenGL until XF86
> >4.0. As XF86 4.0 is not the official XF86 at this point, there is
> Says who? There's already at least one distro that's shipping it.
Sorry. I was operating under outdated information.
You're right; it is the official XF86. (I must've checked its status
the day before it was released...)
> >> > A killer app is something that most computer users will find
> >> > useful.
> >> Of course Apache is a killer app.
> >Of course it is not.
> Netcraft and the hype in general about the Web would tend
> to flatly contradict you.
I really don't see what's so hard to understand here.
Here are some requirements for a killer app:
1. Lots of people have to use it.
2. Lots of people have to know about it.
Obviously, then, to be a potential killer app, a program must appeal
to lots of people.
Does Apache appeal to lots of people?
No. I'm sorry, but this is bloody obvious, and I really don't
understand how anyone can argue with it. The vast - *VAST* - majority
of computer users have not installed Apache, and never *will* install
Apache, no matter that it's the best thing since sliced bread.
There's just no purpose to it.
Having lots of people use Apache in the sense of getting Web pages
through it (like, over the 'net) does not qualify it as a killer app.
The only people who count, numbers-wise, are the ones who administer
it, and that's never going to hit anywhere near a large enough figure
for Apache to be a killer app.
You may make the claim that a killer app only has to draw lots of
people, relative to the audience an OS (or arch, or whatever)
currently enjoys, and that's fine. But Apache is never going to draw
people to Linux, since it's available in stable and up-to-date form on
many other OSes.
--
Eric P. McCoy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
non-combatant, n. A dead Quaker.
- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.misc
Subject: Re: Disk De-partitioning
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:52:15 -0500
dan wrote:
>
> to whoever can help,
>
> i have a pc running windows 98 with an 8 gig harddrive. i partitioned 4 gigs
> of my harddrive for linux redhat 5.1. however, i no longer wish to run linux
> on my computer.
>
> my question: is how do i de-partition the linux half of my harddisk so that
> dos and windows can use it?
>
> i tried fdisk, but it wouldn't recognize the linux half of the drive. any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> thanks,
>
> dan
Boot into linux. fdisk /dev/hda or /dev/sda if it is an scsi drive and
delete all linux partitions then boot with the windoz boot disk and at
the A: prompt enter fdisk /MBR
You will need to reformat the space where linux was.
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 20 May 2000 18:07:12 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 May 2000 05:00:02 GMT, David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) writes:
>>
>>' The QPL requires software be free (as in free beer). It also requires
>>' you to submit any software you link with QT to them, even if it is not
>>' distributed and from the wording it seems that they want you to give
>>' them unlimited rights to even your own personal (again, non
>>' distributed) programs that you link to Qt.
>>
>>It requires your software to be GPL, if you use the Qt Free Edition.
>>Naturally, if you don't like that, don't use Qt.
>
> This alone makes the QPL more restrictive than the LGPL.
Of course. GPL advocates were the ones who pushed for this
change and they don't like the LGPL much.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Is OpenGL hardware accelerated?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:10:55 GMT
Followup-To obeyed, but I don't read colm. Email me a copy if you
want me to read it.
Andreas Rottmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[is OpenGL hardware-accelerated?]
> What about Mesa-Glide?
Two points.
First, I know nothing about Mesa-Glide, as I don't have one of the
Technologically Inferior Proprietary API From Hell That Nobody
In Their Right Mind Would Use cards.
Second, I don't like 3dfx, so I refuse to support their products, or
anything that does so. I think this comes more from a loyalty towards
NVIDIA, originating on the DX-dev list and continued by their efforts
on XF86 4, than a particular dislike of 3dfx.
> > Actually, I think the entire idea of OpenGL is making available a
> > high-level 3D API to the user.
> But some part of OpenGL can be delegated to 3D hardware.
Oh, sure. I'm not saying it can't be done. It's just that APIs
around hardware acceleration are usually extremely minimalist (because
it's faster that way), and OGL is hardly that.
It's possible. Since it has, after all, been done.
--
Eric P. McCoy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
non-combatant, n. A dead Quaker.
- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (root)
Subject: Re: LILO problem with large IDE disk
Date: 20 May 2000 23:11:08 GMT
lilo can be in two places:
The mbr, or the first sector of the first partition of the primary master (IDE)
disk.
Anyway, lilo has to be in the first partition. Problem is that the BIOS can't
adress / access more than 8 GB of data. So your first partition has to be less
than 8 GB. (see note in fdisk about max 1024 culinders).
Dos can't access +8GB partitions too, because it uses the bios. Linux talks
directly to the hardware I/O controller, and doesn't use the BIOS anyway. But
when you use lilo, linux is not loaded yet...
My solution is that my hda1 partition is a 16 mb partition. mounted on /boot,
and there my lilo is installed, and to make it a real "boot" sector, the kernel
image is there too.
I'm not sure if your kernel has to be in one of the fist 8GB of your hda, but
this way, it's always ok.
By the way, what is the use of the dos boot flag toggle in fdisk?
> I have a dual boot Linux/NT system; so far, it worked with no problem. I
> had two IDE disks and one SCSI disk. The latter contains the Linux root
> file system (including /boot) and Kernel. I booted from the IDE MBR. NT
> is on /dev/hda1.
>
> I now added a large (40 GB) IDE disk. LILO now stops at "LI". If I
> disable the hard disk in the BIOS, it works again.
>
> I changed the setup so the system boots from the SCSI disk. This works,
> although I cannot boot the NT partition anymore; LILO does not find the
> NT boot loader. I had to specify "disk=/dev/sca\nbios=0x80" to make it
> work.
> LILO prints no warnings, though, when I re-install it on the MBR with
> the third HD enabled, and still cannot boot.
>
> It is documented as a "known bug" that LILO can get confused with large
> IDE harddisks. I tried "linear" and "lba32" (with the new LILO), to no
> avail. Does anybody know how I can make the boot loader work?
> --
> Regards,
> Cyrille Artho - http://artho.com/ - Tel. +41 - [0]1 - 313 08 92
> Murder is always a mistake -- one should never do anything one cannot
> talk about after dinner.
> -- Oscar Wilde, "The Picture of Dorian Gray"
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From: Marko Stolle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Web mail, recommendations for unix ?
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:12:22 +0200
Reply-To: Marko Stolle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
> You really should try neomail. Written entirely in perl with no other
> requirements than perl and a httpd server ( apache is fine ).
I tried neomail an an 100 MBit internet network and accessed on a
Mailbox containing 10 MB in about 50 mails. It took terribly long to
open the Mailbox an to read a mail.
I don't know if I misconfigured something but the speed of neomails was
not acceptable.
bye
Marko
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From: Marko Stolle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Web mail, recommendations for unix ?
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:12:22 +0200
Reply-To: Marko Stolle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
> You really should try neomail. Written entirely in perl with no other
> requirements than perl and a httpd server ( apache is fine ).
I tried neomail an an 100 MBit internet network and accessed on a
Mailbox containing 10 MB in about 50 mails. It took terribly long to
open the Mailbox an to read a mail.
I don't know if I misconfigured something but the speed of neomails was
not acceptable.
bye
Marko
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Editor for linux like WinEDT available?
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:32:07 -0700
Hi folks,
is there an editor for linux like WinEDT available? I really like the
powerful configurability and I never have found something comparable for
linux. Maybe I searched in the wrong places?
Thanks in advance, David.
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From: Thomas Luzat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Editor for linux like WinEDT available?
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 01:43:09 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 20 May 2000 16:32:07 -0700, David
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>is there an editor for linux like WinEDT available? I really like the
>powerful configurability and I never have found something comparable for
>linux. Maybe I searched in the wrong places?
I don't know WinEDT, but a very powerful and configurable editor is
Emacs. You might have heard of it :-)
Thomas
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From: "john calison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Disregard--test message
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:41:25 -0000
Reply-To: "john calison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
test message
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Keiser)
Subject: Re: serial mice & cheap motherboards ?
Date: 20 May 2000 23:42:57 GMT
>First, what serial port are you connecting it to (assuming
>your motherboard is equipped with 2 of them). I assume the
>"first" one, which would be COM1 under DOS or Windoze.
yes, the "first" one.
>When Linux boots, watch for a message about ttyS00 that gives
>IRQ and I/O address, etc. Or check /var/log/messages for a
>similar message. This would indicate whether Linux saw the
>serial port when it booted. If it did, then it's a
>configuration issue.
root:~> cat /var/log/messages.1 | grep tty
May 7 23:17:38 [snip] kernel: ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a
16550A
May 7 23:17:38 [snip] kernel: ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a
16550A
>To configure, login as 'root' or boot into single-user mode
>and run 'mouseconfig'. Here's the fun part: if you have a
>generic no-name mouse you have to know what it's personality
>is. Chances are, it's a Microsoft serial mouse, 2-button, so
>try that first. If that's not it, maybe it's emulating a
>Logitech.
the mouse I'd like to use for it is actually a 3-button switched
mouse - needless to say, I've tried both settings (mousesytems
and microsoft), and neither work. mouseconfig doesn't help,
unfortunately - does that only affect x anyway? the closest
I've come to getting it working was by using one of the builtin
mouse-config utilities to scan each port and try to help you set
up the mouse - and that thing just plain crashed linux.
- mike keiser
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Editor for linux like WinEDT available?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:58:13 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 01:43:09 +0200, Thomas Luzat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 May 2000 16:32:07 -0700, David
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>is there an editor for linux like WinEDT available? I really like the
>>powerful configurability and I never have found something comparable for
>>linux. Maybe I searched in the wrong places?
>
>I don't know WinEDT, but a very powerful and configurable editor is
>Emacs. You might have heard of it :-)
I can't think of anything more configurable than vim :))) I don't know
WinEDT, but I doubt it can hold a candle to either. Just a hunch ...
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DOSemu Help
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 May 2000 00:04:58 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I have dosemu running fine, but when I load a DOS program like WordStar 7.0,
>I have no cursor in the program. There is a flashing underline off to the side.
>
>The same is true for another DOS wordprocessor, VDE.
>
>How do I get proper cursor action in DOS programs running under dosemu.
>Both these programs work fine with regular DOS.
>
>And - I am also a linux newbie - keep it simple, please!
>
>Paul
>
>For direct Email remover the "Z" from "Zattglobal.net"
>
Since there were few "bites" on my post, I went exploring
I discovered that the reason WordStar 7.0d does not "capture"
the DOSEMU cursor under xdos is that WordStar used a special
fast cursor routine and not the normal bios calls.
Luckily, WordStar was written in the days when patches were
allowed in DOS programs.
The problem is with the fast cursor routine. So if anybody needs
this, here is the solution:
Fire-up wschange.exe and get to the patch menu
The bite at 023a hex defines the monitor charactoristics
It is set at 1F hex for a normal IBM monitor. Change it
to 0F hex which turns off the bit 4 (0 1 2 3 4) and shuts
off "fast cursor" and goes to bios calls for cursor movement.
See WordStar's PATCH.LST for background.
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From: "Tom Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Email notification of passwd expiration
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:07:28 GMT
Well, you could write a program than processes the sp_warn field if you
use shadow passwords. See "man shadow".
In article <8g73ve$bk1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there a tool to automate sending an e-mail notice when a user's
> password is about to expire?
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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