Linux-Misc Digest #645, Volume #24 Mon, 29 May 00 23:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: FAT12 and other FAT filesystem partition types (David Efflandt)
Re: PHP vs Java (Richard Homolka)
Need help with cdrecord and PCMCIA (Adrian Silveanu)
Re: gnome 1.2 menu bar ("Kevin Vandersloot")
Re: Linuxconf seems to be running as a daemon. Why? (Cathelijne Hornstra)
Re: Real Player 7 -- No sound and poor video ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GNOME newsgroups? (MH)
Re: mounting ide-scsi device (John)
Re: p2c (Bob Tennent)
Re: DHCP kills kppp - please help ("asdf")
Linux 2.4.0-test1 (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: editor for Linux and IDE ("Steve D.")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs ("Andrew E. Schulman")
Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux) (JEDIDIAH)
Re: 'Neighbour table overflow' message repeats,why? (Andrew Purugganan)
Help: Kernel Panic: libc.so.6 missing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
DVD - livid oms compile failure (David Efflandt)
Re: democracy? (Grant Edwards)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: FAT12 and other FAT filesystem partition types
Date: 30 May 2000 00:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 28 May 2000 18:13:48 -0230, Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>I would like to ask the following question: I recently installed
>Windows 98 and my Linux partition table lists the filesystem for
>Windows 98 as being of type: DOS 16-bit <32M. Isn't this the same
>as in95 FAT16 (LB. Also, what is the difference between the
>Win95 FAT32 and Win95 FAT32 (LB partition types? Here are the
>partition types listed by fdisk from util-linux 2.8:
You are not seeing the whole picture (the types are chopped off). What
you think is '(LB' is actually (LBA). If you made the partitions from
Windows, then assume they are what they are. I wouldn't worry about it
unless you accidently deleted them without keeping a record of types and
start and stop cylinders.
Type 'b' is for FAT32 partitions under 1024 cylinders in total size.
Type 'c' is used for large LBA partitions >=1024 cyl. At least that is
what I suspect based on the fact that the 16G FAT32 partition on my
desktop is 'b' and 5G and smaller partitions on my laptop are 'c'.
Type 'f' extended partitions can be used for type 'b' or 'c' logical
partitions, and there is no problem mixing FAT32 and Linux logical
partitions in the same extended partition.
>Command (m for help): l
>
> 0 Empty a OS/2 Boot Manag 65 Novell Netware a6 OpenBSD
> 1 DOS 12-bit FAT b Win95 FAT32 75 PC/IX a7 NEXTSTEP
> 2 XENIX root c Win95 FAT32 (LB 80 Old MINIX b7 BSDI fs
> 3 XENIX usr e Win95 FAT16 (LB 81 Linux/MINIX b8 BSDI swap
> 4 DOS 16-bit <32M f Win95 Extended 82 Linux swap c7 Syrinx
> 5 Extended 40 Venix 80286 83 Linux native db CP/M
> 6 DOS 16-bit >=32 51 Novell? 85 Linux extended e1 DOS access
> 7 OS/2 HPFS 52 Microport 93 Amoeba e3 DOS R/O
> 8 AIX 63 GNU HURD 94 Amoeba BBT f2 DOS secondary
> 9 AIX bootable 64 Novell Netware a5 BSD/386 ff BBT
>
>I also have another question:
>
>I need to create a filesystem with a Solid State Floppy Disc Card format
>(SSFDC) also known as FAT12. Does this have partition type 1 (DOS 12-bit
>FAT) or is FAT12 something different altogether?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-- Neil Zanella
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
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From: Richard Homolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: PHP vs Java
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:16:27 -0700
Even with all the cross-posts the original message was still
mis-directed. Try comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
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From: Adrian Silveanu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Need help with cdrecord and PCMCIA
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:38:43 GMT
Hi,
I have a Toshiba Satellite 320CDT laptop and an Archos MiniCDRW
with ATAPI PCMCIA. Can anybody tell me how to make it do ide-scsi?
I have set my kernel settings correctly and gotten my internal
cd-rom drive to be ide-scsi. The PCMCIA modules for Linux install a
while after Linux checks for IDE cd-roms and sets them for ide-scsi
emulation, and doesn't set my pcmcia ATAPI CDRW drive to ide-scsi.
The setting of "hd<x>=ide-scsi" in the append section of lilo.conf
doesn't work for me. Any help is much appreciated!
Thanks,
Adrian
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From: "Kevin Vandersloot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome 1.2 menu bar
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:40:30 GMT
In article <8gshni$h5a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, I just installed gnome 1.2 from Helix and it
> looks really good. My question is that in the
> screenshots there appeared to be a universal
> menu bar (a la macintosh menu bar) but I don't
> have one and I can't find an option to enable
> it. does anyone knowhow to turn this feature
> on?
>
> (btw, this is for a linuxppc 2000 system)
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before
> you buy.
right click on any existing panel and choose
'create panel / menu panel.'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cathelijne Hornstra)
Subject: Re: Linuxconf seems to be running as a daemon. Why?
Date: 30 May 2000 00:44:12 GMT
On zo, 28 mei 2000 22:55:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter T. Breuer)
wrote in comp.os.linux.misc (<8gs84t$1cj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):
>mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: I would like to understand why Linuxconf is running as a daemon,
>: when I thought it is only used when one needs to configure
>: some aspect of Linux
>: Mike
>
>Presumably it's sitting waiting for you to contact it (by the web?)
>and ask it to configure something!
Wow! You've just given me the best definition of a `daemon' ever!
Even my mom would understand this ;-)
Bye,
Cathelijne
--
Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are
wrong.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Real Player 7 -- No sound and poor video
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:41:56 GMT
Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> Does your
chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost overnight?
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME newsgroups?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:44:22 -0700
linux consultant wrote:
>
> If you go to RedHat.com and look carefully you should find pointers to the
> info you are looking for.
>
> MH wrote:
>
> > Anyone know of any GNOME newsgroups? I found a German group, apparently
> > inactive, but that was it.
Some mailing lists, nothing more...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John)
Subject: Re: mounting ide-scsi device
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:45:51 GMT
Thank you for your reply: The CD-RW is an IDE and I had to use the
ide-scsi driver and the scsi emulator, any other ideas would be
appreciated.
On Mon, 29 May 2000 23:02:05 GMT, Flemming Bjerke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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>John wrote:
>
>> I am trying to mount my ide CD-RW. X-Roast is able to use it through
>> mkisofs and cdrecord. When I type mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom it gives
>> me the kernel does not recognize /dev/scd0 as a block device (maybe
>> 'insmod driver'?)
>>
>> I have scsi emulation support enabled under block devices in kernel
>> configuation and ide/atapi cdrom support disable (this is for X-Roast)
>>
>> Under Scsi support I have enabled :
>> SCSI support, SCSI disk, SCSI CD-ROM support, vendor-specific
>> extensions, SCSI generic support.
>>
>> Under filesystems I have sio 9660 support as a module.
>>
>> There was another method I tried and got wrong major or minor number
>>
>> How do i mount my CD-RW.
>>
>> Thank you
>
>I am about solve similar problems, but I suceeded mounting a CD in the
>CD-RW, after having insmod the module for my SCSI controller. This is
>quite easy: You find the module in: /lib/modules/2.214-5.0/scsi/
>(depending on Your kernel no.). If there is a module corresponding to
>Your SCSI controller, You can just
>insmod <your controller module>
>Then You can mount Your CD-RW, if it is one which is supported by Linux.
>But, You have to do this each time You boot. I don't know if You have
>tried this. It must be a way finding out whether You can mount Your
>CD-RW. I have not yet tried to integrate this module in functioning of
>the kernel, but if You can do it by insmod, it should be possible to
>integrate it in the kernel functioning. Alternatively, it You can make a
>small script with insmod and make a call when booting (not very elegant).
>
>Flemming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: p2c
Date: 30 May 2000 00:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 29 May 2000 16:57:07 -0500, Bill wrote:
>How does one use p2c to compile pascal code?
>
One uses p2c to translate Pascal to C; then you can compile the
translated code by using a C compiler such as gcc. Or you can
use one of the Pascal compilers directly:
http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~gnu-pascal/
http://www.freepascal.org/
Bob T.
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From: "asdf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DHCP kills kppp - please help
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:04:04 -0600
In article <8gupth$383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "knud"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have my linux box plugged into the local LAN. The problem is, when I
> set the ethernet card to connect via DHCP (as it should), linux no
> longer recognizes kppp modem connections. That is to say, kppp connects
> to my ISP but my apps wont use the connection even though the Internet
> at large isn't visiable from the LAN.
>
> What I'm forced to do is kill the ethernet connection each time I want
> to dail out. What can I do to have both connection working at the same
> time?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> knud
>
You problem is when ppp is started, your defauld route is still set to use your local
network.
Since you're using kppp, you can edit your account, click the gateway tab, and check
"Assign the Default Route to this Gateway".
Unfortunately sometimes this doesn't work. You may have to edit the up/down scripts in
/etc/ppp or manually set the default route using the route command.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Linux 2.4.0-test1
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:36:44 GMT
Wow.
Normally I'm skeptical about new kernel versions, and wait for the third or
fourth revision before I'll use it, but, wow. I heard somebody in this group
mention how their system seemed "peppier" after upgrading, and it's true.
The RAM cacheing seems to have been completely re-vamped, to the point where
I can now have XFree86 4.0 (quite a bit more piggish than its 3.*
predecessors), LICQ, and XMMS loaded, and have Communicator almost completely
cache in memory.
Case in point;
I loaded Communicator once, it thrashed my HDD. I loaded it a second time,
I barely saw the HDD LED light up.
I have to say - I'm impressed all to hell. This is fantastic. Finally, my
Linux box is performing the way a Linux box should. I can't say enough,
but to give Kudos to all kernel developers out there. Fantastic.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.2.14
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From: "Steve D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: editor for Linux and IDE
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:42:38 +0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Davide Sanna - Tiscali S.p.A."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> is there an X-editor with syntax hilight and other features (like
> UltraEdit for windoze ?) available for Linux ? (free, GPL,
> OpenSource)...
>
> Or, how to make syntax-hiliting for gIDE for java sources ? (gIDE =
> gnome-IDE)
>
> Is there an IDE for java (NOT WRITTEN IN JAVA) available for Linux ?
> (free,GPL,OpenSource).
>
> ok, num questions enough...closing connection...
>
> Thanx!
>
Kwite does this. if you go under the options menu you can select quite a
few different syntax highlighting options. It's probably a little easier for you to
use than emacs.
steve...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:55:49 GMT
On 24 May 2000 12:32:39 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>
>> >But there is no reason to expect it to be any better. Is there a tool
>> >that tells you when the last program that uses a shared library
>> >has been removed?
>>
>> Sure there is. It could query the actual state of the system
>> rather than just keeping track of what packages had been
>> manipulated.
>
>A database is the only way to really solve this problem with any
>speed. Sure, you could find(1) all executables and ldd them to see
>which libraries they use, but what a waste of time. It won't even
No it isn't. Such a practice would tell you what is ACTUALLY
on the system rather than what has been made known to the debian
or rpm databases.
[deletia]
Unreliable network file systems are a whole other can of worms...
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:27:17 -0400
> Matlab itself runs in linux (www.mathworks.com).
Yes, for $1,900 for a single-user license.
> Also, there is a free close relative in octave
> (www.che.wisc.edu/octave/).
Unfortunately octave still seems to be about like Matlab version 4-- no
multidimensional arrays, cell arrays, structures, or other data types
that were introduced in Matlab 5. What they've done is good though, and
free.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:06:02 GMT
On 27 May 2000 10:06:53 +0400, Victor Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Quite. My Phoebe hardware ISA modem came with very reasonable
>: defaults: no-pnp, com2. In this configuration I was able to slap it in
>: and use it immediately.
>
>Reasonable?! Internal modem is next worst thing to winmodem.
>Modem should be a separate box, attached to the com port with cable.
>Most important thing in this setup are leds and its independent power
>swithch. I don't know how it looks in the West, but here in Russia it is
>qute possible that modem would hang on noisy line and only
>power-cycling would revive it. How'd you power-cycle internal modem?
>
>Only thing that I don't like about external modem is that they require
>something other than 5V DC or 12V DC. (typically 12V AC). If they need
>some voltage, which I could get from the main power supply of machine,
>I'd be able to get rid of those power supply units.
>
>:>
>:>When I installed my modem in win, I needed a bunch of driver diskettes to
>:>get it to work.
>
>No, not at all. You need a bunch of driver diskettest to make _windows_
>_think_ your modem works.
>
>Using Dos terminal program like Telix or self-written Tcl script you
>could make your modem working immediately without any drivers.
>: One should never need to 'install' a modem. A real modem is as
>
>Why? You don't consider unscrewing case, finding ISA slot, fiddling with
>IRQ-s "installing"? It can turn into half an hour of downtime.
Nope. It's actually quite simple to manipulate the IRQ assignments
in a modern BIOS. If your COM2 isn't already occupied by something
else then there isn't going to be any "fiddling" at all actually.
This is especially true for a modem that comes preset from the factory
to use COM2.
As far as "plugging in a connector" constituting 'installation', that's
just assinine. If that sort of thing bothers you (plugging something
into a socket) then you need to move to Lancaster county.
>
>External modems are ones whose installation doesn't interrupt system
>operation. You bring in from shop, you connect it, you turn it on, and
>other users of your machine do their work in the same time.
As 'downtime maintenance' goes, plugging in an ISA modem is
waaay down on the list in terms of turnaround time and end
user deprivation. Nevermind the fact that not every random
PC is going to be something 'mission critical' where HA is
required.
Although, if your power grid is like your coms net, any talk
about HA is really absurd anyways.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
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Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: 'Neighbour table overflow' message repeats,why?
Date: 30 May 2000 01:45:27 GMT
brian moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On 28 May 2000 19:00:18 GMT,
: Andrew Purugganan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > At the bash prompt, though, sometimes I get 'Neighbour table overflow'
: > and this repeats even when the Winbox has disconnected (well, maybe not
: > actively surfing). Any ideas how to get rid of this repetetive message?
: Make sure you have a loopback network interface defined.
ThAnks a lot Brian, that did it!
--
jazz annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
Registered linux user no. 164098
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help: Kernel Panic: libc.so.6 missing
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:27:14 GMT
Due to a hacker attack via BIND, I had to fix several things
on my machine (RH 6.1). Today I found that useradd would not
work:
[root@sphere /www]# useradd -d /www/foo.com foo
perl: error in loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared
object file: Error 23
/usr/bin/chattr: error in loading shared libraries: libe2p.so.2: cannot
open shared object file: Error 23
/usr/bin/chattr: No such file or directory while stating
/home/foo/.rhosts
...
I looked at lib6.so.6 and realized the hacker made some additional
changes to my machine. By mistake, I removed /lib/libc.so.6 which
is a link. I wanted to link to the original file. Oopps! I
screwed up everything.
The file libc.so.6 points to is still there: /lib/libc-2.1.2.so
How do I get the libc.so.6 file(link) restored?
In article <aBvU4.163$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Christian Casteyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow !
>
> Bingo, your Linux is dead.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: DVD - livid oms compile failure
Date: 30 May 2000 02:42:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was just checking out the latest DVD player support and trying to follow
the May 2000 DVD-Playing-HOWTO. I am in Mandrake 7.0 which came with
nist, but very limited docs that do not explain how to use it. So I
download and patched a generic 2.2.15 kernel for DVD support. I have to
use opensound.com sound drivers anyway, so I don't need the RedHat style
sound modules.
That part of it must work because I can use the ccs-auth utilitie 'tstdvd'
to authenticate and 'dvdinfo' works.
The livid untilies 'ac3dec' and 'mpeg2dec' appear to compile fine. But I
am having a problem compiling 'oms' that brings it all together. It
apparently has problems with paths to its own files:
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/livid/oms/src/plugin/decode/sw'
/bin/sh ../../../../libtool --mode=compile gcc -fPIC -g -O2
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../../../../include -g -O2 -c display.c
gcc -fPIC -g -O2 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../../../../include -g -O2 -c -fPIC
-DPIC display.c -o display.lo
display.c:32: mpeg2.h: No such file or directory
make[4]: *** [display.lo] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/livid/oms/src/plugin/decode/sw'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/livid/oms/src/plugin/decode'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/livid/oms/src/plugin'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/livid/oms/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
But when I fix that by changing <mpeg2.h> to "mpeg2.h", then it complains
about this same header and missing <oms/plugin.h> in codec.c. There is a
plugin.h.in in that dir and plugin/plugin.h under that which appears to be
the same thing. But making a symlink to where it expects to find it then
terminates with a "too many macros" error.
Does anyone know where to get a copy of 'oms' that compiles properly?
I saw a screenshot of it so somebody must have gotten it to work.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/ http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:59:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Vilmos Soti wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> If you want to see corruption at work go and work in Thailand.
>
>Heh, once I read in the newspaper (US) that the Thai Secretary of
>Education (or Culture, or something like this) said that corruption is
>part of the national heritage and encouraged people to practice this.
If doing XYZ is actually the traditional and accepted way of doing things in
Thailand, who are we to say it's "corrupt" just because it's not the way we
expect it to be done in the US (or wherever)? Driving down the left-hand
side of the highway is illegal, stupid, and probably deadly *in some
countires*. In other countries it's not. And then there's Italy...
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm reporting for
at duty as a modern person. I
visi.com want to do the Latin
Hustle now!
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