Linux-Misc Digest #762, Volume #24 Fri, 9 Jun 00 12:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: the 1024 cyl limit (Dances With Crows)
Re: LiLo (Martin Herrman)
Re: LiLo (a s rosenberg)
Re: LiLo (Hugh Lawson)
Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help (aflinsch)
Re: LiLo (Fro-Man)
Re: kernel identification? What is "what" in Linux? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: LiLo ("andy")
Re: What? (was: OH YES, Linux RULES....) (Dances With Crows)
Re: kernel identification? What is "what" in Linux? ("David ..")
Re: Where are my installed programs in RH 6.0 w/Gnome? ("David ..")
Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE.... ("Dan Hobbs")
(oops) Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help (aflinsch)
Re: the 1024 cyl limit ("Kent A. Signorini")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: the 1024 cyl limit
Date: 09 Jun 2000 11:10:26 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:38:48 GMT, Kent A. Signorini
<<Yj705.4078$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>In a previous post I sort of asked this question, but I'll be more direct
>this time.
>
>Provided /boot is completely below the 1024th cylinder, then should I be
>able to create a / partition of any size? Or is there a limit to the
>partition size of an ext2 partition?
ext2 partitions are limited to a size of 2T (2048 G, 2,097,152M) at the
moment. If you have this much disk space hanging around, ...wow. Maximum
file size used to be limited to 2G, but apparently it isn't anymore if
you're using the latest kernels and your applications are linked with the
latest libraries.
The successor to ext2 should have support for exabyte-sized partitions and
terabyte-sized files, IIRC.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Herrman)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LiLo
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 09 Jun 2000 15:12:55 GMT
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:03:25 +0300, Dmitry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello !
> I'm new to Linux.
> I've got a bit of a problem with my LiLo.
> I want DOS to be the default operating system.
> My LiLo.conf looks like :
>
> ###################
> boot=/dev/hda
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> prompt
> timeout=50
> linear
> default=dos # I thought this would be enough but Linux is
> still being loaded by default
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
> label=linux
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda3
>
> other = /dev/hda1
> label=dos
> ######################
>
> What do I have to change ?
hm.. looks all right. Did you run the /sbin/lilo executable after editing the
/etc/lilo.conf file? If not, that's the problem.
If you did: try switching the linux and dos entry, like this:
other = /dev/hda1
label=dos
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
label=linux
read-only
root-/dev/hda3
That's because if you don't specify a default at the beginning, lilo will
automatically start the first entry.
HTH
Martin
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
--
Linux Gebruikers Handleiding v1.2 : http://2mypage.cjb.net
Linux RedHat 6.1 Kernel 2.2.14 Toshiba P233 MHz, 32 Mb RAM
5:10pm up 7 days, 25 min, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.63, 0.58
Western Civilization, that would be a good idea!
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From: a s rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LiLo
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:16:13 -0400
Dmitry wrote:
>
> Hello !
> I'm new to Linux.
> I've got a bit of a problem with my LiLo.
> I want DOS to be the default operating system.
> My LiLo.conf looks like :
>
> ###################
> boot=/dev/hda
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> prompt
> timeout=50
> linear
> default=dos # I thought this would be enough but Linux is
> still being loaded by default
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
> label=linux
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda3
>
> other = /dev/hda1
> label=dos
> ######################
>
> What do I have to change ?
> Thank you in advance.
You have to run lilo before changes in your lilo.conf take effect. Try
'/sbin/lilo' as root.
--
Sent from Linux by
A S Rosenberg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hugh Lawson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LiLo
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:16:48 GMT
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:03:25 +0300, Dmitry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello !
>I'm new to Linux.
>I've got a bit of a problem with my LiLo.
>I want DOS to be the default operating system.
>My LiLo.conf looks like :
>
>###################
>boot=/dev/hda
>map=/boot/map
>install=/boot/boot.b
>prompt
>timeout=50
>linear
>default=dos # I thought this would be enough but Linux is
>still being loaded by default
>
>image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
> label=linux
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda3
>
>other = /dev/hda1
> label=dos
>######################
>
>What do I have to change ?
>Thank you in advance.
If this works properly when at the lilo prompt you choose 'dos', then you
should be able to make 'dos' the default by placing the 'dos' stanza
first, ahead of the linux stanza.
--
Hugh Lawson
Greensboro, North Carolina
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:10:19 -0500
"Kent A. Signorini" wrote:
> advance. Some of these questions are techie and some are philosophical, but
> here goes:
>
> 1 & 2) Which is a better desktop environment to use, GNOME or KDE, and why?
>
Neither, both and something else.
Try both of them, and then try some others, then decide. Personally I
am fond of using blackbox with kfm & kpanel
> 3 & 4) I've installed RH 6.2 with both GNOME and KDE and found that the
> graphical sign-on screen defaults to GNOME. Is it possible to change the
> default to KDE? And also, how would I change the GNOME logo on the sign-on
> screen to reflect KDE if I go that way?
>
> 5) To get Linux to recognize my ULTRA/66 (Promise PCI) controller card I've
> downloaded the 2.2.15 kernel, patched it for using UDMA (the patch had no
> errors) and rebuilt the kernel by choosing the same options as the default
> RH 6.2 - 2.2.14 kernel (using make xconfig and copying the default
> configuration file into linux-2.2.14 as .config) but once I build the 2.2.15
> kernel I can no longer use my sound card and many of the network modules
> give depmod dependency errors on boot. Can someone tell me why this might
> be happening. To build the kernel I do a: make xconfig, make dep, make
> clean then reboot. Then make modules, make modules_install, then reboot.
> All this is done in /usr/src/linux which is symlinked to
> /usr/src/linux-2.2.15 which has the patched source tree in it.
>
> 6) What would you suggest as replacement Linux app's for:
>
> MS-Office 97 (I have many documents with complex drawing elements on
> them -- lines/boxes/etc. done in Word97)
> Photoshop
> Allaire Homesite (for html editing)
> Thumbs Plus
> WinRAR
> Winamp
> GetRight
> a good FTP client (I'm sure there is no shortage of these)
> a RealPlayer
> a VIVO player
> an mpg player
> a DVD player
> CD-burning software for data and music
>
> 7) Is Netscape the only good browser in Linux? I'm partial to IE5 because
> it handles pages better then Netscape (IMHO) and has more features. I
> design web sites part-time and need to be able to see both types of
> extensions.
>
> 8 & 9) I've installed my current setup in 1024x768x16m and find that the
> fonts on web pages in Netscape for Linux show up much smaller than using
> Netscape or IE in Windows 98. Why? How can I fix this without going to
> 800x600?
>
> 10) Is there any problem using VFAT drives full-time while in Linux? My
> wife has a large amount of data already on a VFAT drive and I would hate to
> have to convert it to ext2.
>
> 11) Is RH 6.2 a good choice for a distribution? I've looked at Corel Linux
> running at a store and it's a very clean desktop compared to the RH 6.2
> installed one but I think it's based on Debian and I'm not sure if RH is
> better or what.
>
> 12) Has anyone used VMWARE and does it work well?
>
> 13) How about WINE?
>
> 14) What is the maximum size for an ext2 partition? I tried to create a
> 10GB
> "/" partition on my HD and it wouldn't let me go past 8GB during a RH 6.2
> install.
>
> 15) Is there anything else I should know?????
>
> Thank you to anyone who can answer some of these questions for me. Please
> e-mail me your responses at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can. It's VERY
> appreciated!
>
> Kent A. Signorini
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From: Fro-Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LiLo
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:17:52 -0400
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Dmitry wrote:
> Hello !
> I'm new to Linux.
> I've got a bit of a problem with my LiLo.
> I want DOS to be the default operating system.
> My LiLo.conf looks like :
>
> ###################
> boot=/dev/hda
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> prompt
> timeout=50
> linear
> default=dos # I thought this would be enough but Linux is
> still being loaded by default
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
> label=linux
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda3
>
> other = /dev/hda1
> label=dos
> ######################
>
> What do I have to change ?
> Thank you in advance.
Try adding the dos part of the lilo.conf before the linux. Just simple
position inthe file will do it. Make sure the dos entry is befor the
linux one.
p | q | p->q | q->p | !q | !p | !q->!q
============================================== Logic for
T | T | T | T | F | F | T the
T | F | F | T | T | F | F severly
F | T | T | F | F | T | T disturbed
F | F | T | T | T | T | T
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: kernel identification? What is "what" in Linux?
Date: 9 Jun 2000 11:23:21 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8hqpeh$ku1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> With what tool can I find out from just looking at the file (a la
> 'what /kernel' or 'what /vmunix' one is used from UNIX systems)?
If you can find the kernel image ("vmlinuz", "zImage", "bzImage", etc.),
you can run "file /path/to/image" on it.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LiLo
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:23:57 +0000
Firstly type /sbin/lilo. If that doesn't do it then use klilo. Otherwise
swap the two entries around in the lilo file so that the dos settings are
above the linux settings (you may have to name the linux entry 'other' and
the dos one 'image'). Then do /sbin/lilo. If there's a problem when you
run /sbin/lilo then don't reboot. Fix the problem first - guess why ;)
Andy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dmitry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hello ! I'm new to Linux. I've got a bit of a problem with my LiLo. I
> want DOS to be the default operating system. My LiLo.conf looks like :
>
> ###################
> boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50
> linear default=dos # I thought this would be enough but
> Linux is still being loaded by default
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
> label=linux read-only root=/dev/hda3
>
> other = /dev/hda1
> label=dos
> ######################
>
> What do I have to change ? Thank you in advance.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: What? (was: OH YES, Linux RULES....)
Date: 09 Jun 2000 11:24:31 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 07:51:24 +0200, Michael Hofmann
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
[snippage]
>What are you trying to tell us? Windows doesn't lose data on power
>outages
<chortle>
*ANY* semi-modern operating system does disk caching. Windoze caches less
aggressively than Linux unless you tweak it, but it does cache. Tends to
cache odd things, too, if the error messages from SCANDISK.EXE after
someone pulled the plug on the '95 station at work were any indication.
DOS didn't cache writes in memory, but if you pulled the plug when the
disk was in the middle of a write, you'd get data loss and lots of it.
This is why people invest in UPSes and such. Caching/not caching won't
save you if the power goes off when the disk heads are furiously writing.
>Linux does. This is one of the weak points of Linux, unless one
>has a journaling filesystem installed.
Granted. Go ReiserFS, go ext3!
>Though most of the time you can recover Linux with fsck, sometimes it's
>just doesn't work. This is when you hope your last backup is complete &
>functional.
"Blessed are the pessimists, for they hath made backups."
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel identification? What is "what" in Linux?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:30:14 -0500
Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>
> Being relatively new to the Linux installation process (Redhat)
> I'm wondering about the question which kernel gets installed
> when I pick a 2.2.14 kernel (/boot/vmlinuz) from one machine, put it on a 6.1
> Redhat upgrade bootnet floppy (1999:0045 or whatever that is on the redhat
> errata site), put that floppy into the machine and install via NFS
> from another machine (where the 6.1 Redhat CD is located).
>
> Does the installation process install the kernel from the CD or the
> installation floppy?
>
> With what tool can I find out from just looking at the file (a la
> 'what /kernel' or 'what /vmunix' one is used from UNIX systems)?
>
> --
> Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
uname -rs
or uname -a
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where are my installed programs in RH 6.0 w/Gnome?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:34:00 -0500
Larry wrote:
>
> I've installed WINE under RH 6.0 in Gnome and now can't find the program to
> execute. Where is the executable for the WINE program after installing it?
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
You might try "whereis wine"
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: "Dan Hobbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE....
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:46:37 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, The Almighty One
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gotta give M$ a brownie point for that : highlight, ctrl-c to copy,
> click, ctrl-v to paste global clipboarding ...
>
>
> Tux wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Is there some way that I can use cut and paste procedures in KDE... I'd
>> like to be able to have a "global" clipboard that all my programs can
>> cut and paste from.... Has anyone successfully done this... For
>> instance, when I'm trying to quote lines from a text file or error log,
>> I'd like to be able to cut the text from one program (text
>> editor/xterm) and then paste to my email client... Otherwise I have
>> to go and put the file in my email as an attachment...
>>
>> Is there another method of doing this...??? Thanks...
Don't give MS too much credit until you've gotten used to the *NIX way.
highlight the text you want to copy (click/drag over it) then go to the other
window and click either the middle button or both buttons at the same
time. No need to "Edit/Cut" or any of that. There already is a global
clipboard, just need to highlight and paste.
Going back to the "Edit/Cut" "Edit/Paste" is a royal pain in the neck after
you're used to the way all the *NIX do it.
Dan
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (oops) Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:51:15 -0500
"Kent A. Signorini" wrote:
> advance. Some of these questions are techie and some are philosophical, but
> here goes:
>
> 1 & 2) Which is a better desktop environment to use, GNOME or KDE, and why?
Neither, both and something else.
Try both of them, and then try some others, then decide. Personally I
am fond of using blackbox with kfm & kpanel
> graphical sign-on screen defaults to GNOME. Is it possible to change the
> default to KDE? And also, how would I change the GNOME logo on the sign-on
/etc/sysconfig/desktop IIRC
>
> 5) To get Linux to recognize my ULTRA/66 (Promise PCI) controller card I've
> downloaded the 2.2.15 kernel, patched it for using UDMA (the patch had no
> errors) and rebuilt the kernel by choosing the same options as the default
> RH 6.2 - 2.2.14 kernel (using make xconfig and copying the default
> configuration file into linux-2.2.14 as .config) but once I build the 2.2.15
> kernel I can no longer use my sound card and many of the network modules
> give depmod dependency errors on boot. Can someone tell me why this might
> be happening. To build the kernel I do a: make xconfig, make dep, make
> clean then reboot. Then make modules, make modules_install, then reboot.
> All this is done in /usr/src/linux which is symlinked to
> /usr/src/linux-2.2.15 which has the patched source tree in it.
looks like yoe forgot a make bzImage, a rerun of lilo, and a depmod in
there
>
> 6) What would you suggest as replacement Linux app's for:
>
> MS-Office 97 (I have many documents with complex drawing elements on
> them -- lines/boxes/etc. done in Word97)
Staroffice, others might prefer applix.
> Photoshop
gimp
> Allaire Homesite (for html editing)
I don't doo much html editing, when I do, I use ethier a plain text
editor or bluefish
> Thumbs Plus
compupic (good replacement for ACDSee also)
> WinRAR
Only used it once, I think there is a gnome clone for it though.
> Winamp
xmms
> a good FTP client (I'm sure there is no shortage of these)
lots of them, I assume you want a graphical one, so try iglooftp,
pretty similar to CuteFTP
> an mpg player
mtv
> CD-burning software for data and music
xcdroast, gnometoaster, kisocd, keasycd, take your pick.
>
> 7) Is Netscape the only good browser in Linux? I'm partial to IE5 because
netscape is not the only way. There are others.
> it handles pages better then Netscape (IMHO) and has more features. I
> design web sites part-time and need to be able to see both types of
> extensions.
Don't use extensions. Use plain old normal html. Make it readable by
everything.
> 8 & 9) I've installed my current setup in 1024x768x16m and find that the
> fonts on web pages in Netscape for Linux show up much smaller than using
> Netscape or IE in Windows 98. Why? How can I fix this without going to
> 800x600?
cant say it better than http://www.mandrakeuser.org/xwin/xfont.html
and
http://www.mandrakeuser.org/xwin/xfont.html
> 10) Is there any problem using VFAT drives full-time while in Linux? My
you loose all of the permissions, and unixy stuff, but it can be done.
> wife has a large amount of data already on a VFAT drive and I would hate to
> have to convert it to ext2.
leave it and make the machine a dual boot. Best of both worlds, plus
marital harmony.
>
> 11) Is RH 6.2 a good choice for a distribution? I've looked at Corel Linux
> running at a store and it's a very clean desktop compared to the RH 6.2
> installed one but I think it's based on Debian and I'm not sure if RH is
> better or what.
Personally I like Mandrake. similar enough to RedHat, uses KDE as a
default. The newest release has pretty good USB support also (got my
USB zip drive working finally).
>
> 12) Has anyone used VMWARE and does it work well?
It works, but needs a fast machine with lots of memory.
>
> 13) How about WINE?
Used it for a few things, but most apps work better in real windows
than under wine.
>
> 14) What is the maximum size for an ext2 partition? I tried to create a
> 10GB
> "/" partition on my HD and it wouldn't let me go past 8GB during a RH 6.2
> install.
>
the max size is a lot bigger than 10G, your problem is that /boot must
be under the 1024 cyl limit for lilo to work. try making mulltiple
partitions and see if that works.
> 15) Is there anything else I should know?????
Read as much as possible.
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From: "Kent A. Signorini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the 1024 cyl limit
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:08:46 GMT
I actually have 3 drives in my machine. 10GB (my system), 13GB (my data),
20GB (my wife's data).
Tell me, can I mount both data drives to /home or does each need a different
mount point? I could always mount my data to /home/kent and hers to
/home/allison or whatever, but I'm curious about mounting both to one point
anyway.
Thanks again,
Kent!
>
> Although, if you've got a big harddisc you may want to look at setting up
> partitions for /usr, /opt, /home etc as this can make upgrading and
> recovering from screw-ups easier. And ResierFS and such are about now
(SuSE,
> at least, lets you install to ReiserFS partitions now).
>
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