Linux-Misc Digest #767, Volume #24 Sat, 10 Jun 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: democracy? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (John Hagen)
Re: winmodem SupraExpress 56i Diamond
X:\Confused\Question\Help (N/A)
X:\Confused\Question\Help\ (N/A)
modems and the ilk (Flukezero)
Re: Feature or bug? (Matthew Haley)
Re: Modem, Soundcard, and Zip Drive Problems (Paul Eisenberg)
Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE.... (Bob Martin)
Re: desktop question (Neurocrat)
Lotus Notes Client ("Brian E. Seppanen")
Re: What distribution is most popular? (Rod Smith)
Re: booting 3 OS's on one machine win98-win2k-linux (Rod Smith)
Duplicate a diskette of unknown format exactly ("Lee Tien Huat")
Re: help desk software (Adam Wolfe Gordon)
Only root can receive email (root)
Re: Duplicate a diskette of unknown format exactly (Dances With Crows)
Re: Modem, Soundcard, and Zip Drive Problems (Dances With Crows)
Re: X:\Confused\Question\Help (Dances With Crows)
Re: Changing desktop resolution in Gnome? (Dave Brown)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:43:04 GMT
I would personally like to see Billy do twentyfive-to-life for
racketeering. The DOJ has been far too lenient.
Wonder how long before government witnesses start disappearing or dying
off from mysterious causes? Seems a logical next step for Microsoft....
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:51:43 -0500
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
+ On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:35:40 GMT, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+
+ >On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
+ >
+ >> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:23:07 GMT, "Toaster Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ >>
+ >> >I have read a few comparision of Intel vs. RISC processor and they tend to
+ >> >come up the same. For integer instructions on similar MHZ CPUs Intel and
+ >> >RISC are usually even. Where Intel loses big is floating point
+ >> >instructions, RISC runs circles around Intel on floating point.
+ >>
+ >> It depends on what you are doing, and which RISC. The shipping 300MHz
+ >> MIPS parts, 450MHz UltraSPARC IIs and the PowerPCs are all slower than
+ >> the 1GHz Pentium III for the SPECfp95 and SPECfp2000 tasks, and even
+ >> the 440MHz 8600 PA-RISC part in the N4000 is slower on SPECfp2000_base.
+ >
+ >I'll not argue with this, but note that the original poster said
+ >"... on similar MHZ CPUs ...". I wouldn't call 450 MHz "similar" to
+ >1 GHz at all: it's more than double!
+ >
+ >I don't know, but how does Intel @ 450 MHz compare to the other processors
+ >AT THE SAME CLOCK RATE? My guess would be similar integer performance,
+ >and worse FP performance.
+
+ The statement "RISC runs circles around Intel on floating point"
+ wasnt qualified. As for "the same clock rate", a quick scan of my
+ Dell catalog reveals no desktop systems available at speeds as
+ slow as 450MHz.. To me that says its a moot point to compare
+ at the same clock rate when Suns fastest processors dont clock
+ at as fast as Dells slowest desktops ($799 buys a fully configured
+ Dell 667MHz PIII system with a monitor and fast ethernet adapter,
+ compared to $5,500 for the 450MHz UltraSPARC II module (computer,
+ memory, disk, monitor and software sold seperately. Ack.))
Yes, but try accessing over 4G of real memory on an Intel processor
with either Windows or Linux ( as it stands now ). You cannot.
And as for clock speed, what does that mean really? CPU speed is
not going to be your bottle-neck. I would be concerned more about
bus speed, in which yes, SPARC's run circles around most Intels.
SPARC's will run circles around Intel machines, they are designed
to.
Best Wishes,
anm
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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:58:31 -0700
From: John Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
"Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
>
> + On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:35:40 GMT, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> +
> + >On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
> + >
> + >> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:23:07 GMT, "Toaster Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> + >>
> + >> >I have read a few comparision of Intel vs. RISC processor and they tend to
> + >> >come up the same. For integer instructions on similar MHZ CPUs Intel and
> + >> >RISC are usually even. Where Intel loses big is floating point
> + >> >instructions, RISC runs circles around Intel on floating point.
> + >>
> And as for clock speed, what does that mean really? CPU speed is
> not going to be your bottle-neck. I would be concerned more about
> bus speed, in which yes, SPARC's run circles around most Intels.
> SPARC's will run circles around Intel machines, they are designed
> to.
OK, so is there a comparison of Intel systems to Sun hardware anywhere
based on SPECfp95 or SPECfp2000 (or any other non clock speed bound
measure)?
I've always thought that a Sparc LX felt as fast as a Pentium 60, an Ultra
1 170 similar to a Pentium 133, etc, but have never found any numerical
comparisons anywhere.
Does anyone have one (even if it's informal)?
Cheers,
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john hagen ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winmodem SupraExpress 56i Diamond
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:30:02 GMT
Win Modems do not work with linux.
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X:\Confused\Question\Help
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:30:03 GMT
how would i go about checking my verical and horizontal specifications for
a Windows 98 OS? This is needed for my installation process of Corel
Linux. Thanx a whole lot.
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X:\Confused\Question\Help\
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:30:03 GMT
how would i go about checking my verical and horizontal specifications for
a Windows 98 OS? This is needed for my installation process of Corel
Linux. Thanx a whole lot.
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From: Flukezero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modems and the ilk
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:41:20 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a modem that in kppp will respond by giving back a empty ati
strings, I'm not sure what that means but linux can't seem to initilaze
it. I have high hopes for the modem because info about this modem is
sketchy at best, linmodems.org list it but notyhing about it being a
winmodem or not, It's got a rockwell chipset
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Haley)
Subject: Re: Feature or bug?
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:01:52 -0700
On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:59:59 GMT,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just terminated a bash shell by cating a pdf file. Is the shell
>supposed to execute commands in a file that you cat?
Use less (or more) instead. When you 'cat' a binary file it can contain escape
codes that modify the behavior of the terminal you're using.
--
Matt Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Now showing... Linux-Mandrake 7.02
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Eisenberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem, Soundcard, and Zip Drive Problems
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:46:31 GMT
On 08 Jun 2000 20:05:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances
With Crows) wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 22:37:24 GMT, Paul Eisenberg
><<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>>
>>Thanks for the help, the message did say
>>hdd: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive
>>
>>as Linux booted up, then I typed in the two commands you said as
>>mkdir /mnt/zip
>>mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip
>>Is it suppose to work everytime it boots up now? Because I still
>>can't acess the Zip drive at this point.
>
>?? Ah. You're pretty new at this. Read the manual.
>
>Unix has a totally different view of things than DOS. Unix systems don't
Thanks for all the help with the ZIP Drive, I have it working great
now. I ended up going onto the Dell site since that is where I bought
with my computer, I logged in using my information and found three
drivers for my computer's hardware and Linux. One is for the 3Com PCI
56K V.90 modem, the other is Diamond Viper 770D drivers, and the last
is a Sound Blaster Live Driver. The only problem is these are for Red
Hat Linux 6.1 and I use Corel Linux 1.1, will this make a difference?
I don't think I Really need the Diamond Viper Driver since the
graphics seem to be fine at this point, but I'm still without a modem
and sound at this point. Thanks! Take Care. Paul
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE....
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:52:14 -0500
The Almighty One wrote:
>
> there are only 2 buttons - no center button ... for most users ... again - the
> ease of use of M$ global clipboarding ... would be a big thing if Linux GUI's
> supported this ... K or G or others ... doesn't matter ... gotta get it in place
> so users can start to get familiar with it and make it like M$ which users are
> familiar with ... they can overlook/ignore a lot that they are not familiar with
> but the basics such as ease of install/configuration/support MUST be addressed or
> Linux will never fly ... global things must be immediately included or there will
> be difficulties - even amongst IT which KNOWS that Linux is the superioir way to
> go ...
For two button mice you press both buttons at the same time for the
center button, been that way for along time.
--
Bob Martin
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Subject: Re: desktop question
From: Neurocrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10 Jun 2000 14:02:08 +1000
"Kent A. Signorini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've also asked a similar question in another post, but I'll rephrase it as
> I've not yet heard answers that I was looking for:
>
> I would be interrested to hear a comparison of strengths/weaknesses of GNOME
> vs KDE and also of Enlightenment vs someotherwindowmanager. Please offer
> your opinions as I am trying to make an informed decision. The more the
> better.
Both gnome and KDE are barely beyond their embryo stage, but they're
developing rapidly. I think the most important factor in making a long
term decision about either desktop now is: which one has the best
technological infrastructure for future development. IMO, the answer
is KDE.
I don't want to start a religious war, but I believe KDE has a better
infrastructure for programmers. The qt toolkit (C++ library underlying
KDE development) is an excellent toolkit for building pluggable
interchangable components. The KDE team is (again IMHO) well ahead of
gnome with respect to building a component based system whereby
components of one application can be plugged into another. For that
reason, I think we'll see KDE development accelerate faster than
Gnome. The KDE file manager / web browser "Konqueror", and the
emerging KOffice suite are great examples of what can be done with
pluggable software components.
I currently don't use either desktop. I prefer a simple, uncluttered
window manager. icewm is perfect for me. However, if I were to choose
between gnome and KDE, I'd choose KDE. But wait for KDE2 to become
stable. (Shouldn't be more than a couple of months).
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From: "Brian E. Seppanen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lotus Notes Client
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:53:55 -0400
Is there a lotus notes client for linux? I think there is a lotus notes
server, but I'd like to look at a lotus notes client for linux.
Thanks,
Brian E. Seppanen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: What distribution is most popular?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:21:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Rod Smith wrote:
>
>> One further meta-comment: Most modern monitors and video cards support
>> two-way communication so that the OS can discover the monitor's
>> supported resolutions and set them automatically. I have yet to see any
>> evidence that this is supported by XFree86. Has it been added in XFree86
>> 4.0, by chance? This is an important area where Linux still lags behind
>> Windows.
>
> do you really want to be limited to a few standard resolutions? I prefer
> 1152x900 Sun resolution on the Apple monitor sitting on top of my PC and
> I don't think any self-configuration would give me that. If editing the
> XF86Config file after having read the corresponding howto is too demanding
> then perhaps you should be using BeOS or Caldera.
Why would the **OPTION** of setting the resolution in this way be
limiting? It would simply be, IMHO, a useful feature to help get a
system up and running quickly.
(BTW, I'm not asking a clueless newbie question here; my question is
more rhetorical than anything else. Check my sig.)
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: booting 3 OS's on one machine win98-win2k-linux
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:27:54 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8hr0hh$beh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> win2k's
> installer "checks" ext2 partitions and screws them up. I've already dun a
> linux re-install because of this.
This isn't a uniform phenomenon. I did a Win2K installation a bit over a
month ago on a system with several Linux partitions, and had no
problems. Were your Linux partition types set correctly (to types 82 and
83 for swap and filesystem partitions, respectively)? If not, all bets
are off. If your partition types were set correctly, then I don't know
why Win2K failed so miserably in your case but not mine, but I'd like to
know.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: "Lee Tien Huat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Duplicate a diskette of unknown format exactly
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:45:06 +0800
Dear sir/madam,
I have one diskette of unknown format (maybe someone created for his/her own
use, so there is no program to format it). How do I duplicate this diskette
exactly?
Thank you.
Best regards,
Lee Tien Huat
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From: Adam Wolfe Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.apps,linux.help,linux.misc
Subject: Re: help desk software
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:16:04 GMT
You mean like Microsoft Office??? Try Star Office
(www.sun.com/staroffice). It is awesome!
Adam
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Only root can receive email
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:26:57 GMT
I have finally managed to get online via my ethernet adapter. I know
this is a very rudimentary question to
some of you, and I haven't had the time to explore all system
configurations on my end. My question is
that root@mycomputer can receive and send email to/from the internet.
All of the accounts
that I created can email out to the internet, but upon receipt of a
message addressed to any of those
user accounts that I've created returns "User unknown." Telnetting to
smtp port 25 of my computer and
doing the vrfy username command also returns 'user unknown."
I am currently running RedHat 6.2, and am using dhcp for host
configuration. I have also tried to
create a POP account for one of the users, but still no change. Do
I need to configure
routing to/from my computer? If so, why can root receive email from the
internet but none of the others can?
What do I need to be doing to get these other accounts to receive email?
Thanks in advance,
Eric
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Duplicate a diskette of unknown format exactly
Date: 10 Jun 2000 00:31:43 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:45:06 +0800, Lee Tien Huat
<<8hscv8$for$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have one diskette of unknown format (maybe someone created for his/her own
>use, so there is no program to format it). How do I duplicate this diskette
>exactly?
Can you mount the disk in some way, shape, or form? And what hardware
platform is this on? The old Macintosh 800K disks are unreadable on PC
drives--hardware problems, nothing you can do. I'd guess the thing to do
is this:
mount /dev/fd0h720 /mnt/floppy (tries the 720K format)
mount /dev/fd0h1440 /mnt/floppy (tries the 1.4M format)
mount /dev/fd0h1722 /mnt/floppy (tries the 1.7M format)
One of those should succeed without errors, unless the disk is one of
those very rare 2.8M floppies. Then just use dd, as was suggested in
several earlier replies to your other question.
If this is a disk from the dark ages of PCs, when "copy-protected"
floppies were distributed, things get hairy. A lot of those disks were
designed with unreadable sectors in specific spots; the game program would
check for the presence of those spots and refuse to load if those sectors
were readable. IIRC there are some DOS programs to duplicate those disks.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem, Soundcard, and Zip Drive Problems
Date: 10 Jun 2000 00:39:44 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:46:31 GMT, Paul Eisenberg
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Thanks for all the help with the ZIP Drive, I have it working great
>now. I ended up going onto the Dell site since that is where I bought
>with my computer, I logged in using my information and found three
>drivers for my computer's hardware and Linux. One is for the 3Com PCI
>56K V.90 modem, the other is Diamond Viper 770D drivers, and the last
>is a Sound Blaster Live Driver. The only problem is these are for Red
>Hat Linux 6.1 and I use Corel Linux 1.1, will this make a difference?
Probably not. RH 6.1 used kernel version 2.2.12-something, and Corel ~=
Debian, so they are probably using 2.2.13 or 2.2.14 at the moment. If the
modem is a Real Modem (which is possible, 3com made some PCI Real Modems),
then you don't actually need the driver, but messing with setserial isn't
fun if you're new at this. Setting up an SB Live is very simple with the
latest kernels--2.2.14 and higher have the emu10k module right in the main
source tree IIRC.
If the modem is a LoseModem, then you can get it working with the right
incantation: Download the driver (it'll have a name like lt.o or
pctel.o) and put it in the right place (referenced in teh README file you
get with the driver) and just enter "insmod -f lt" or "insmod -f pctel" as
root.
Getting an SB LIve working has been talked about to death. Go to
http://deja.com/home_ps.shtml and search the comp.os.linux.hardware group
for "SB Live" and you'll find N+1 explanations of how to get it going.
HTH, good luck.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: X:\Confused\Question\Help
Date: 10 Jun 2000 00:45:39 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:30:03 GMT, N/A
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>how would i go about checking my verical and horizontal specifications for
>a Windows 98 OS? This is needed for my installation process of Corel
>Linux. Thanx a whole lot.
Do you mean the Hsync and Vsync rates that your monitor supports? That
information isn't anywhere in Lose9x as far as I can tell. The Hsync and
Vsync rates are listed in the manual that came with your monitor--find
that and look them up. Or find the model number and manufacturer of your
monitor and do a Google search on that data, getting the tech specs
directly from the manufacturer if you can.
If all else fails, most X configuration programs have a default choice or
two: "Monitor capable of YYYxZZZ at XX Hz". If you know what resolution
you get in Lose9x, substitute that for YYYxZZZ and go. It may not be
optimal, but it'll at least work.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Changing desktop resolution in Gnome?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 Jun 2000 23:48:52 -0500
In article <8hro0h$jpg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Williams wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Larry wrote:
>> xf86config
>
>Also, depending on which resolutions are currently configured, you can
>use the "Ctrl-Shift-KeyPadPlus" or "Ctrl-Shift-KeyPadMinus" keys to
>toggle through screen resolutions until you find the one you want. You
>will have to guess as to which resolution you are looking at because
>there will be no indication of which resolution is being displayed.
>
>This is an XFree86 "thing".
However, there is a command to fetch all sorts of info about your
Xserver, including the screen resolution it's operating with:
xdpyinfo
That'll take the guesswork out.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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