Linux-Misc Digest #875, Volume #24 Tue, 20 Jun 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
RealPlayer....help ("Kent A. Signorini")
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (brian moore)
Re: linux as a gateway... (swooz)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: fetchmail, mail, sendmail with pop3 and smtp (Rob Weiss)
Re: Choice of Linux / Unix as second OS (Harlan Grove)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Matthew Miller)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Adam Kippes)
Re: Millisecond timing (Ben Walker)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Matthew Miller)
Re: Choice of Linux / Unix as second OS (David McKee)
Re: Danger in running fsck on a mounted filesystem ("D F")
Re: Stability of the Culture of Helpfulness ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows Utility to Read Linux Formatted Disks: Does One Exist? (James Lee)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Another one from LILO! ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Doesn't Print until Window closes (Thomas Dickey)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (David Gallardo)
Re: PMFirewall and ip-up (James Campbell Andrew)
Re: Lilo Problem (John Gluck)
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From: "Kent A. Signorini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: RealPlayer....help
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:13:22 GMT
Does anyone know why RealPlayer 7 refuses to open .mpgs, .avis, etc. on my
machine and reports an error code, instead? I have followed the menus:
help | install mime types and plugins but it still won't open anything
except .rm files.
But it opens and plays .rm's fine.
Kent A. Signorini
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: 20 Jun 2000 18:03:17 GMT
David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It will be easier when: Linux is as easy to setup, maintain & use as
: Windows, most software is written for Linux, most hardware comes with
Have you actually tried to maintaiin and use windows? It's a nightmare.
It's practically impossible. The only way I can think of doing it is
maintaining a working copy in a secure place and rewriting the system
from it every morning.
: drivers for Linux...
It shouldn't really be necessary to have special drivers for special
hardware. There are generic interfaces around for most purposes (says
he, thinking of scsi).
: Because most organizations have to hire & pay people to setup, maintain
: and run their systems, Linux is very expensive.
Uh, clearly you don't know anything about software!
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: 20 Jun 2000 18:16:43 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:20:22 GMT,
Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> zerr wrote:
> >
> > You sound and even said that you know about nothing about linux. How do
> > you suspect to write a good article if you know nothing about the
> > subject matter. If I were you I would read a thick book on linux install
> > it, play around with it for 3 months then you might be able to write a
> > well informed article about it. But until you know your subject matter
> > the article will basically suck.
>
> Maybe I should have said what this article is about. Anyway it's not
> going to be very technical. It's more to do with an instance of
> corporate culture being "infiltrated" by Linux culture. I just happen to
> be curious and technically minded and don't mind asking stupid
> questions.
Well the reason for the infiltration is simple. Linux Works. The usual
directives given to IT are "build us a web server" or "connect these
two networks" or "Bob keeps turning off his computer with the shared
printer -- make the printer available even when Bob isn't"
The quick-n-easy solution for many IT people is to put together
yet-another-linux-box and deploy it. It's quick and easy because unlike
other methods it doesn't require boatloads of paperwork ("okay, for this
printer sharing, we'll need NT Server and 30 client licenses as well as
a new machine") and can often be done with recycled hardware. (We have
a couple routers here built that way, as well as mini-file-servers.)
Once installed, the machine is trivial to maintain (don't even have to
waste a monitor on it, since Linux is quite happy with remote
administration).
Initially, such projects were somewhat hidden from The Boss. With the
good Linux PR in the past couple years, at most places, such deployments
are no longer stealth projects and a "okay, we can do that with Linux"
is acceptable to say publically. You can even get away with "well, the
old 486's we have lying around aren't up to that sort of usage, but a
new system would handle it" for the right projects.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: swooz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: linux as a gateway...
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:17:07 -0400
check this tooooooo:
http://www.slashroot.org/guides/G000003/
hope it helps you/the group
-swoozio
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: 20 Jun 2000 18:15:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: zerr wrote:
: > You sound and even said that you know about nothing about linux. How
: do
:> you suspect to write a good article if you know nothing about the
:> subject matter. If I were you I would read a thick book on linux install
:> it, play around with it for 3 months then you might be able to write a
:> well informed article about it. But until you know your subject matter
:> the article will basically suck.
: Maybe I should have said what this article is about. Anyway it's not
: going to be very technical. It's more to do with an instance of
: corporate culture being "infiltrated" by Linux culture. I just happen to
: be curious and technically minded and don't mind asking stupid
: questions.
Interesting. But surely you must know that computing has been going on
for, uh, 40 years now? And that unix sprang into being sometime about
30 years ago, and all that jazz? And that the world's scientists have
all been using unix for years and years, what with Sun working to
provide them workstations at preferential cost in the 80s using SunOS
and then Solaris (the system "V" variant of the basic Unix operating
system). I remember setting up my first SOlaris syetm about the same
time as msdos and the IBM PC came out. And then there are the Silicon
Graphics machines.
You probably need the basic background on the development of unix, the
attempts at free "unices" (the freeBSD, the netBSD, the openBSD, ..)
and Linus' publication on the net of an independently coded unix kernel
for the IBM PC about 9 years ago, resulting in its rapid development and
deployment by hordes of expert programmers worldwide - an effort and a
style that continues to this day.
Search for "history + linux" on the net. Also look at the linux FAQs.
You also need "impending rumours and facts". Such as that the new macOs
will be unix-based and that people in the companies concerned are
actively working on getting linux working for the intel 64bit platforms.
And then there are the contributions from ibm, sgi, ... and the history
and meaning of the opne source movement, and GNU and the Free Software
Foundation (FSF, of course) and one Richard Stallman.
: Oliver Baker
Peter Breuer
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From: Rob Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fetchmail, mail, sendmail with pop3 and smtp
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:30:15 GMT
Do you want to POP the mail from your ISP? Or are you setting up sendmail
to be your mail server? No matter....go check out sendmail.org or
redhat.com for the how-tos...Other than that I would really suggest buying
the sendmail book. It has all of the info you could possibly ever need,
with regards to sendmail.
Dave wrote:
>
> I am a newbie. weaning myself from the windows tit.
>
> I have got the gui enviornment working great.
>
> I like the commandlinebetter, I enjoy lynx for it's speed
>
> my problem is I cannot find clear documentation on how to set up
>
> sendmail, fetchmail and pine, to use my isp's mail.
>
> any help would be appreciated.
>
> --
> gooeydad........Penguin powered.
>
>
>
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Choice of Linux / Unix as second OS
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:27:09 GMT
In article <_ZK35.207068$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<snip>
>> . . . and I'd like to install Mathematica on my home machine]
>
>Aside from Mathematica and Emacs, I'm afraid I've not heard of any of
>these. I don't know offhand if Mathematica is available for Linux,
<snip>
There's a Linux x86 ELF 2.0 binary. The OP definitely wants to buy it
while still a student! In theory, FreeBSD for Intel machines should be
able to run it also.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Miller)
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: 20 Jun 2000 18:41:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Have you actually tried to maintaiin and use windows? It's a nightmare.
>It's practically impossible. The only way I can think of doing it is
>maintaining a working copy in a secure place and rewriting the system
>from it every morning.
And that's what a lot of places do.
--
Matthew Miller ---> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
Boston University Linux ---> http://linux.bu.edu/
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From: Adam Kippes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:42:03 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <8iobl5$oah$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
> Have you actually tried to maintaiin and use windows?
Have you ever thought before posting?
> It's a nightmare. It's practically impossible.
Well, in that case the "practically impossible" is being done at
millions upon millions of installations worldwide every day. And that
doesn't include home users.
-- AK
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Walker)
Subject: Re: Millisecond timing
Date: 20 Jun 2000 12:29:39 -0600
gettimeofday() is a standard UNIX function. It returns the time in seconds
and microseconds. However, the PC clock is not this accurate, so the time
is only accurate probably to 10 milliseconds or so.
In article <NZM35.4706$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rich Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello,
>Are there any C library functions available on Linux that will allow me to
>retrieve the time in milliseconds?
>Thanks for any replies,
>Rich.
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Miller)
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: 20 Jun 2000 18:51:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adam Kippes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, in that case the "practically impossible" is being done at
>millions upon millions of installations worldwide every day. And that
>doesn't include home users.
It's deceptively easy at first, but difficult to maintain in a secure and
robust way.
But this is way off-topic. Followup to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
--
Matthew Miller ---> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
Boston University Linux ---> http://linux.bu.edu/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David McKee)
Subject: Re: Choice of Linux / Unix as second OS
Date: 20 Jun 2000 19:04:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snippage]
: What suggestions do you have on choosing my second OS?
:
: [note: if it helps, I edit code and kumacs with emacs, I use PAW for
: graphical analysis, and I'd like to install Mathematica on my home machine]
PAW (and in fact, the whole of CERNLIB) is availible for Linux. They
GPL'ed it this year. Try at Cern's website. It is, however, a very
large instalation...you'll need a lot of disk. Also note, that many
projects are shifting to Root, which is also availible, but is
another large installation.
--
-- David McKee
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- (757) 269-7492 (Office)
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From: "D F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Danger in running fsck on a mounted filesystem
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:05:12 -0400
Dances With Crows wrote:
>Big question: Does the machine shut down correctly? If
so, no serious
>problem... but there's no reason why fsck should be run on
every single
>boot! I think the problem can be solved by adding the
following line to
>/etc/lilo.conf before any image= lines and then rerunning
lilo.
>read-only
>
>This will mount the root filesystem read-only first,
allowing fsck to run
>and fix whatever problem it thinks exists. (You can fsck a
read-only
>filesystem with much less risk of severe damage.)
Thanks for your helpful reply.
Yes, the machine shuts down correctly and all seems to be
functioning normally. Come to think of it, I think that
error msg comes up while the root partition IS ro. I think
it's after I say 'no' that it says the thing about
'remounting root rw.'
I'll go over to her place tonight to check it out. If it's
while the root partition is mounted ro, then, you'd suggest
that it's safe to fsck it?
Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario Canada
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Stability of the Culture of Helpfulness
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:20:59 GMT
Wow, I must be slipping...
I actually agree with everything you've written here Mark. Very well
thought out and definitely good advice.
simon
On 19 Jun 2000 21:18:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Although I'm neither business savvy nor computer savvy, I'm writing an
>>article for a trade magazine on the subject of a big company that has
>>chosen Linux for its very big PC cluster. The business people at this
>>company consider Linux a great way to save money on computer support
>>costs--not just because they believe it to be more trouble-free, but
>>because they feel they can just log onto the net and get expert free
>>help any time, thus eliminating the need for most of their support
>>staff.
>>
>>I have a couple questions:
>>
>>1)Does this make sense--that they could reduce their support staff? (and
>>if so, by how much? if anybody cares to make an estimate.)
>>
>>2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
>>numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
>>at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
>>generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
>>kindness of strangers.
>
>You have raised some very important matters. In a community
>of mutual support, everyone with a question must first try
>to find the answer on their own, second by asking their col-
>leagues, and only third by asking the community at large.
>People must also give help to others.
>
>For a company to avoid leeching off the Linux community, I
>think it must do the following things (many of which apply
>to users in general):
>
> o Buy and use a boxed set of a good Linux distribution, so
> a good manual is available for it. Keep it handy in a
> central place for all users.
>
> o Buy at least six good books on Linux and keep them avail-
> able in the same place. Have a sign-out sheet so people
> can find them when they've disappeared.
>
> o Set up an internal News (NNTP) server for company use only,
> with a few newsgroups for Linux support.
>
> o Set up an internal company website containing pointers to
> various external documentation sites (like the Linux
> Documentation Project -- LDP), and a company Linux support
> FAQ page (in HTML) that is kept up to date responsibly by
> one or more people.
>
> o Make sure everyone's computer is set up with a newsreader
> and web browser pointed to the above.
>
> o Anyone who has a question about Linux must do *all* of the
> following before (and hopefully, instead of) posting it
> to the Linux community Usenet groups:
>
> o Look in the company Linux support FAQ web page.
>
> o Look up the topic in the distro manual and in those six
> or more Linux books.
>
> o Search the company Linux support newsgroups.
>
> o Read the relevant man pages, HOW-TOs, FAQs, etc., on their
> computer, on the LAN, or on the Web.
>
> o Do an http://www.google.com/linux web search. Learn how
> to use the simple operators -- "", +, -, etc., in order
> to search effectively.
>
> o Do a DejaNews "power" search. Learn how to use the boolean
> operators to search effectively.
>
> o Ask other people in the company who might know, verbally
> or by posting to one or more company support newsgroups.
>
> o Post to a Linux community newsgroup *only* after conscien-
> tiously doing *all* of the above and having no success.
>
> o When you get an answer that works, put it in the company
> FAQ (or get the maintainer(s) to), and post it to the
> company newsgroup(s).
>
> o Each Linux user in the company should spend time helping
> less knowledgeable users, for example by answering ques-
> tions posted in the internal company support newsgroups
> and by adding items to the FAQ.
>
> o Each knowledgeable Linux user in the company should spend
> time answering questions in the external -- community --
> Usenet newsgroups.
>
> o Make sure everyone in the company gets a copy of this
> document, and keeps it handy. 8^)
>
>Feel free to use this in your article!
>
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows Utility to Read Linux Formatted Disks: Does One Exist?
Date: 20 Jun 2000 19:22:33 GMT
Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cool, how do I do that write to a DOS disk thing?
mtools or mount it as type msdos or as auto (let linux figure it out).
All will get you to share things in dos.
Also, there is explore2fs that can handle ext2
fs inside windows. It's on a permanent beta lists,
but seems to be stable.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: 20 Jun 2000 19:15:18 GMT
Adam Kippes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In <8iobl5$oah$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
:> Have you actually tried to maintaiin and use windows?
: Have you ever thought before posting?
Frequently. Would you like the references?
:> It's a nightmare. It's practically impossible.
: Well, in that case the "practically impossible" is being done at
: millions upon millions of installations worldwide every day. And that
They're not doing it. They're all failing. Their installations are
degrading with each change.
: doesn't include home users.
Who aren't doing it at all.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another one from LILO!
Date: 20 Jun 2000 19:17:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: The size of /etc/lilo.conf is 0 bytes. I don't know what the person
: that worked before did.
Change it then. The LILO-HOWTO is your friend.
Peter
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From: Thomas Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Doesn't Print until Window closes
Date: 20 Jun 2000 19:32:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to setup an xterm window that allows me to print while
> telneting into a system and running Pine. I start the xterm window
> with "xterm -tn vt320" to allow it to accept "Attached-to-Ansi" codes.
> I go into Pine and read my e-mail. I press "%" to print it and after
> telling it yes to print with "Attached-to-Ansi" it acts like it
> printed. Howevert, nothing comes out on the printer until I exit Pine,
> Exit Tewlnet, and close the Xterm window. Then it prints the e-mail I
> had sent it earlier. Does anyone have any idea why this is not working?
see the 'printerAutoClose' resource in the man-page for xterm.
--
Thomas E. Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://dickey.his.com
ftp://dickey.his.com
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From: David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:39:07 -0400
I'm not talking about you. It sounds like you are quite the linux guru. But
not everyone is as smart as you are. For the purpose of this discussion, take
yourself out of the equation.
Suppose, for example, that your business-minded friend (not a technical type),
who lives in Omaha, Nebraska wants a recommendation for a small computer
network for a small business office of 8 people. Could you honestly &
responsibly--again, assuming they couldn't rely on you for help or
support--recommend Linux and (presumably) StarOffice for all their office
needs? Who will they call when they can't get their documents to print on
their nifty new HP printer (that has only Windows drivers? HP? Sun???
Linux is pretty cool. When I download some nifty new software and have to
recompile it for my setup, it's neat that I can do that, but it's a pain that
I have too. I'm not complaining about Linux's quality, it just isn't ready
for commercial, off-the-shelf deployment. And given the community by whom &
for whom it is being developed, it doesn't seem that it will be anytime soon.
brian moore wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:07:22 -0400,
> David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It will be easier when: Linux is as easy to setup, maintain & use as
> > Windows, most software is written for Linux, most hardware comes with
> > drivers for Linux...
>
> Linux is -far- easier to maintain than Windows. The software I need
> works great, and the hardware I want works great.
>
> > Because most organizations have to hire & pay people to setup, maintain
> > and run their systems, Linux is very expensive.
>
> Most organizations have to do that for Windows machines as well. We
> have a part-time NT admin who calls in an consultant at least once a
> month for 'hard' things.... for one NT machine supporting a dozen
> users. I maintain 7 or so Linux and Solaris machines as well as a
> pile of other stuff (from routers to terminal servers) supporting a
> few thousand users. Which costs more per user?
>
> (I could even save the company more money if I stayed at home... since I
> can do virtually everything from my desk at home, but they like seeing
> me here...)
>
> --
> Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
> Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
> Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Campbell Andrew)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: PMFirewall and ip-up
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:55:32 +0100
Kevin Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does it work if you manually type it after your link is up?
>
> Have you tried calling a script that calls the command, which would be
> more sensible anyway, as it would give you the chance to do something if
> the call fails.
It turns out that PATH wasn't set in the ip-up script, so pmfirewall
didn't know where ifconfig was. You live and learn :-)
Jim
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From: John Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x,nl.comp.os.linux.overig,nl.comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Lilo Problem
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:55:36 -0400
How is your drive partitioned??? You do have the second stage loader and
the
kernel on cylinders <1024 do you not???
The L means that the boot sector loaded OK but the second stage loader
could
not be found. If you had gotten LI it means that the second stage was
loaded
but the kernel could not be found.
If you have a large disk, it is a good idea to put a small (about 20Megs
)
called /boot near the start of the drive. This insures that the second
stage
loader and the kernel will be below the 1024th cylinder.
FROZEN_Steam wrote:
> I already tried it on a floppy disk as well
>
> lilo output is just:
>
> added Linux*
> added windows
>
> That's the normal ouput isn't it?
>
> Any other ideas?
[SNIP]
--
John Gluck (Passport Kernel Design Group)
(613) 765-8392 ESN 395-8392
Unless otherwise stated, any opinions expressed here are strictly my own
and do not reflect any official position of Nortel Networks.
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