Linux-Misc Digest #983, Volume #24 Thu, 29 Jun 00 05:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: getting software (Richard Steiner)
What is foobar, or foo bar, or whatever...?? (Hendrix)
Re: What is foobar, or foo bar, or whatever...?? (Matthew Gatto)
TurboLinux Installation ERRORS!!! Help! maybe partitioning problems ("Andre Liem")
Re: Need clarification: what really is 'MBR' and what is 'BOOT SECTOR'? ("Charlie
Root")
Re: Gnome vs KDE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: BIND8 - Zone file changes behind my back (Villy Kruse)
Re: date formatting problem: doesn't work ? (Villy Kruse)
Re: What is foobar, or foo bar, or whatever...?? ("Main News")
Re: Loadlin and SCSI (Villy Kruse)
inetd problem (Natius van der Watt)
Re: SMP Monitoring on Linux ("Sean")
reposting. (Dries van Oosten)
Linux on Tiny Computer PIII (Douglas Lithgow)
Re: OpenLinux install doesn't recognize my CD-ROM ("Lonni J. Friedman")
TABLE.TBL in my own custom Red Hat distro CD (Kheng-Teong Goh)
Re: LOCAL: [FRENCH:][BELGIUM:] Charleroi LUG Meeting (Robert Herzog)
Number of packet receeived in a client server program ? ("Sasha")
Re: kernel 2.2.16 questions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: getting software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:27:49 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake unto us, saying:
>How do Linux (RedHat specifically) users usually get software?
The first place I tend to look is in the various subdirectories found
here:
ftp://www.redhat.com/pub/contrib/libc6
The next place I look is here:
http://freshmeat.net
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
+ VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
Nine for mortal men doomed to die...
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From: Hendrix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: What is foobar, or foo bar, or whatever...??
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:02:06 -0230
Hi foobarians,
I've heard so many linux sites, books, and even email messages that
contain this phrase...??? What the heck is foo bar...???? The weird
thing is that it also makes its presence in the movie "Saving Private
Ryan", but they never define the term... Hmmm..... Ha...
Thanks,
--
Trevor Penney,
A+, Network+ Certified
======================
That's alright, I still got my guitar...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Gatto)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: What is foobar, or foo bar, or whatever...??
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:52:39 GMT
>I've heard so many linux sites, books, and even email messages that
>contain this phrase...??? What the heck is foo bar...???? The weird
>thing is that it also makes its presence in the movie "Saving Private
>Ryan", but they never define the term... Hmmm..... Ha...
they DID define it, you must have missed it-
Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition
--
~MGatto~
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From: "Andre Liem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TurboLinux Installation ERRORS!!! Help! maybe partitioning problems
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:10:14 -0700
I've decided to enter the Linux world by purchasing TurboLinux
Workstation but so far I have not been able to get it to properly install.
I'm trying to get it to fit onto my old p100 w/1.2 gigs of space. Later on
I'll try to do the fips thing for my p3.
I'm installing it on a empty HD with no windows running on it but I
always get errors after installing it. TurboLinux support is very very weak
so any help would be greatly appreciated. Here are my general questions.
First of all, I'm unsure of what I should be doing when setting up the
partitions. What I've done everytime I've attempted to install TBLinux is
created a Linux Swap and a Regular Linux partition. I made the swap +32M
and used the rest for the regular Linux Partition, so about 1100 Megs left
for Linux.
I have few errors now during the installation, but in general there are
many flaws in the installation program, like the images for the hardware
disk 2 don't work so I can't add the files for IDE devices. I wonder if
this is a part of the problem. For any of you guru's out there here's the
error I get when loading up Linux... FYI LILO boots up fine.
=======================Beginning of
Error-----------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Activating swap partitions
swapon : cannot open /etc/fstab : No such file or directory
hostname : local host
checking root filesystem
parallelizing fsck version 1.18 (11-Nov-1999)
Warning : couldn't open /etc/fstab: No such file or directory
[/sbin/fsck.ext2 -- /] fsck.ext2 -a /
fsck.ext2 : Is a directory while trying to open/
(null):
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else) then the superblock is
corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
***An error occurred during the file system check
***dropping you to a shell; the system will
***reboot when you leave the shell
======================End of Error
Message---------------------------------------------------------------------
===========
So after this I can only do maintenance on my comp and not get X-Window to
run... and I've tried installing TBLinux 10 times or so already. Any
suggestions? I'm hoping my faith in the Linux online community can pull
through for me this time. Should I be making more then two partitions? I
kinda have a feeling I should be making partitions for /usr/var?? /etc?
I'm confused because the auto partition makes 9 partitions. Help!!! Thanks
in advance.
Andre (PB)
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From: "Charlie Root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Need clarification: what really is 'MBR' and what is 'BOOT SECTOR'?
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:14:32 GMT
Rod Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:P2x65.230397$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
>
> > If you, Mr. Root, still insist that Win95/NT does not modify the MBR,
> > get a program that you know is going to modify the MBR, then install
> > WinNT. This should be evidence enough.
>
> Evidence that the MBR is overwritten, yes. Evidence that the NT boot
> loader is located there, no.
>
Rod, still I don't buy NT ever messes with MBR because NT does not need MBR
at all. If multibooting NT and Linux not using the LILO, NT OS loader likes
to have the boot sector from the other operating systems available as a
file. NT has 'boot.ini'that read like:
--
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation ...
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation ...
C:\BOOTSECT.LNX="Linux"
Where this resides? Not at MBR but at C:\ root directory with system and
hidden attributes. Try boot it with MS-DOS floppy then do at C:\ prompt:
'a:\fdisk /mbr' you can still boot either OS because MBR is not being used
at all.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Gnome vs KDE
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:23:41 GMT
In article <8jb552$v9g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Should I spend time getting used to KDE or Gnome? I tried both and I
> can't say I developed definite preference. Which desktop most people
> use? I've heard KDE is considered to be more promising (with KDE2 to
be
> released soon). How come Gnome is RedHat's default desktop?
>
> Thanks
>
> Wroot
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Yah, the window managers are what got me going towards linux in the
first place (used GeoShell and LiteStep in windows) and I thought KDE
was the easiest for stating out (just for me), but now I really prefer
Window Maker, although Black Box is nice and >>fast<<, I just cant
handle the configuration yet.
I use KDE and GNOME apps indiscriminately, just comes down to which
app better suits me (I installed full KDE an GNOME so I have their
libraries).
If anyone has any BB advice email it please!
As a side note though very visual Enlightenment just seems too big,
maybe I just havent given it enough of a chance.
If you haven't already, check themes.org and get the coolest desktop on
your block (see wm.themes.org and be stunned by the simple beauty, and
nice dock apps too!;)
--
This is just my opinion, indie-pop's what matters.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: BIND8 - Zone file changes behind my back
Date: 29 Jun 2000 07:36:36 GMT
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:11:56 GMT, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm looking for what may turn out to be a workaround to a unique problem with
>NAMED; any assistance appreciated, detailed below:
>
>I'm set up here as secondary nameserver for the domains towardex.com and
>hcctrc.com. Primary nameserver is used as forwarder, and I am using forward
>and reverse zone files for both domains.
>
>The zone files I have and those of towardex itself are slightly different,
>however; his zones resolve www.towardex.com to an internal IP (which you can
>verify by checking his nameserver, 63.248.56.131) in order to speed DNS lookup.
>
>This was chosen since the towardex.com domain is managed by flashcom and not
>TowardEX itself; these zone files are for the benefit of their respective
>intranets.
>
>My zone file points to the correct public IP, for the benefit of my internal
>machines. The problem that is arising is named will refer to its forwarder
>(the other nameserver) and UPDATE its own zone file accordingly (bad gravy).
>
>This has the effect of making the towardex domain unreachable to all computers
>using me as their nameserver.
>
>Is there a means of preventing named from changing the contents of a zone file?
>Any experience you can relate would be appreciated.
>
A secondary zone file is supposed to be updated from the primary
zone file. This is by design. If you want to prevent this you need
to make it a primary zone file and be authorative for the entire zone.
Just make sure your modified name server is not reachable from outside,
or you might create trouble for this zone. You also need to make sure
that your zone file is complete for this zone; there is no forwarding
to any other name server if the name in this zone is not found localy.
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: date formatting problem: doesn't work ?
Date: 29 Jun 2000 07:46:14 GMT
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:29:31 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hello, Using rh 6.0.
>
>the following works from a command prompt.
>
>$ date '+%b %_d'
>Jun 2 ( that's JUN space space 2 )
>
>whereas,
>
>in a shell script ( bash ),
>TODAY=$(/bin/date '+%b %_d')
>echo $TODAY
>
>produces
>
>Jun 2 ( that's JUN space 2 )
>
>Why ?
>
Because the echo command receives two words and echos them with one
space in between. Try this
echo "$TODAY"
in double quotes, that is, and see how many spaces you realy have
in $TODAY
Villy
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From: "Main News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: What is foobar, or foo bar, or whatever...??
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:47:59 +0100
The correct Acronym is actually FUBAR, foobar being the correct
pronunciation.
It seems to be a fairly international term, widely used in the IT industry
here in the UK!!
Andy
Matthew Gatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >I've heard so many linux sites, books, and even email messages that
> >contain this phrase...??? What the heck is foo bar...???? The weird
> >thing is that it also makes its presence in the movie "Saving Private
> >Ryan", but they never define the term... Hmmm..... Ha...
>
> they DID define it, you must have missed it-
> Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition
>
> --
> ~MGatto~
>
> Support the anti-spam movement; see <http://www.cauce.org/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Loadlin and SCSI
Date: 29 Jun 2000 07:53:44 GMT
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:50:07 -0400,
Daniel Samson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[Linux]
>shell=c:\Loadlin\loadlin.exe c:\Loadlin\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro
>mem=192M intitrd=c:\Loadlin\initrd.img
>
>This, don't work. Linux boot but don't see the SCSI card neither the
>CD-R.
>
I now noticed that the root disk is an IDE disk. In this case, just
load the scsi driver from an rc script, for example /etc/rc.d/rc.modules.
You need initrd to load scsi module only if your root file system is on
an SCSI disk.
Villy
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From: Natius van der Watt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: inetd problem
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:03:37 +0200
Hi All,
Ok, me = newbie, so excuse all stupidity, but please help.
Running RH 6.2 and KDE peoblem: I can't telnet ftp etc. to my machene,
someone told me the "inetd" demon should be running, but it ain't. I ran
'Setup' to see if I can run it automatically, bit it aint there.
Also Hving problrms with my dail-up, could this be part of the rpoblem
?
Help very much appretiated !!
:-)
Natius.
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From: "Sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SMP Monitoring on Linux
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:06:46 -0500
I like to use gkrellm when in X. It's a pretty featureful process viewer,
and allows you to view a multiprocessor environment as displays of all the
single processors and/or as a single display of all the processors, if
that makes any sense ....
check it out, you'll see what I mean.
Sean
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: Peter S F Luk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I'm seeking some tools to monitor the CPU loading on different CPU on
> a
> Linux SMP box. Can anyone recommend some tools to me (non GUI or
> GUI)??
>
> PS : In solaris, top, proctool & mpstat can show individual CPU
> loading,
> I'm finding similiar tools on Linux.
>
> Rgds Peter
>
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From: Dries van Oosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: reposting.
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:08:45 +0200
I'm seeing everybodies posts twice. All reposted from chewtoy.com.
Anyone else having this problem?
Groeten,
Dries
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From: Douglas Lithgow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on Tiny Computer PIII
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:59:18 +0100
I've tried Mandrake 7.0 and SUSE 6.4, and can only get a text version of
Linux running on my PC (Tiny Pentium III 600Mhz, the Chipset and
graphics are Intel 810). It has a 17Gb HDD which is now back to being
Primary running Win 98 Sr2. Ideally I would like to split this into 2
(approx 8Gb each for Win98 & Linux). I can Partition magic this okay,
although Boot Magic v1 has a problem, when I select Linux, it just keeps
rebooting. When I did have it working, as I say it was Text only.
Even the install programs are Text based, YAST2 according to the manual
I have should be graphical, but it does not come up as shown. I use the
graphical version of YAST.
Mandrake does not have the monitor in the list, every option I try the
screen looks too big.
I am unsure if because the machine is so new, the Linux installs do not
recognise the hardware.
Has anyone managed this successfully on a similar specced machine, or is
it worth me trying another version of Linux (Corel, etc)
Thanks for any help.
D.
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OpenLinux install doesn't recognize my CD-ROM
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:37:11 -0400
Javier Estrella wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I am trying to install Caldera's OpenLinux into an old 486 Intel computer.
> My problem is that the first thing I see is a page where the software does
> an auto check for installed hardware in order to recognize which media
> carries the OS package, but it doesn't recognize my SONY CDU33A-C1
> propietary CD-ROM. Any advice on how to overcome this problem?
>
> By the way, the computer runs on an old DOS version and the CD-ROM has been
> properlly installed.(Just in case info)
You're in for a very long, hard road, because your CDROM is connected
through the soundcard, and not a traditional IDE channel. You would
save yourself many hours of grief by getting a normal IDE CDROM drive.
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From: Kheng-Teong Goh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: TABLE.TBL in my own custom Red Hat distro CD
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:20:14 +0800
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May I know what is the function of TABLE .TBL in the RPMS folder in Red
Hat 6.2 cd?
I need to know because I'm removing the packages from my version of Red
Hat. And I upgraded the kernels rpms.
Thanks in advance.
ps I'm running out of time.
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From: Robert Herzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOCAL: [FRENCH:][BELGIUM:] Charleroi LUG Meeting
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:49:34 +0200
Denis Fr�re wrote:
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>
> Si vous habitez dans les environs de Charleroi, que Linux et
> plus particuli�rement le logiciel libre vous int�resse, si vous
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>
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> Cordialement,
> - --
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From: "Sasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Number of packet receeived in a client server program ?
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:55:41 GMT
Hi all
I have a client server program, I am interested to see how many successive
packet I have received and how much time it takes to receive a packet using
tcpdump.
I want to see this result when I am running my program in my computer as a
loopback (sending and receiving data in my own computer).
I want also see the result when I am running my program in two computer
(running client in one computer and server in another ).
Please tell me what command I should use to see the time and the amount of
packet received or sendt by client or server.
Thanks in advance Sasha
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.16 questions
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:00:36 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 28 Jun 2000 21:23:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vincent Fox) wrote:
>In <8jdp7l$uie$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>What I would do, go into your old kernel, make menuconfig.
>From there, go to the bottom, save out your kernel config as
>a file somewhere accessible to all kernels like /usr/src/
>Now go into the new kernel tree, make menuconfig, and read
>in this kernel config file. Done. I'm sure someone else will
>have a better simpler faster way.
I always copy the .config file from the old kernel tree to the new one, cd into
the new tree and run
make oldconfig
this asks you every new kernel option to be set. Then I run
make menuconfig
or
make xconfig
to check the configuration.
this works fine for me. I just upgraded to 2.2.16, no probs.
--
Eggert Ehmke
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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