Linux-Misc Digest #112, Volume #25 Wed, 12 Jul 00 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: New HDD and Partion Magic or second PC. ("G-Man")
Microsoft's new ".NET" ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
short question (for a change) (alan)
Re: sis 6326 (Peter R. Schmitt)
Re: free firewall configuration utility (tony summerfelt)
removing programs in Linux ("beo")
Yes! Another GNU tar question (Krzys Majewski)
GNU tar question number four (Krzys Majewski)
Re: Consequences of a new kernel ("David E. Smith")
Re: Config network cards ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor? (Dowe Keller)
Re: smrsh sendmail mailman problem (Yee Siew Chin)
Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: removing programs in Linux (E J)
Re: Window Manager With X (Homer Jay)
Microsoft (RealCea)
Re: Application required - Word Processor ("Barns")
Re: How to resolve "failed dependency" in RPM (Villy Kruse)
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From: "G-Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New HDD and Partion Magic or second PC.
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:23:12 GMT
Thanks guys. I will wear the blue shirt and black pants to work tomorrow
btw. ;-) I think I will get the second system. I make cd's and many other
tasks that would make having just one computer (to do it all) a major pain I
think.
Thanks again,
Ken G.
Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8kgevp$4ic$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I for one think this is a reasonable question.
> My suggestion is, if the only reason for getting another computer
> would be to read documentation while installing linux, then don't do
> it. (It should be possible to get your linux to the point of
> Netscaping for info without having to Netscape for info, but hey, I
> could be wrong). If, on the other hand, you're looking for an excuse
> to buy another computer: buy another computer! Especially if you think
> you'll need to use DOS after getting linux set up, rebooting is a pain
> in the ass. -chris
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Microsoft's new ".NET"
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:24:36 GMT
Might as well put Microsoft on your right hand or forehead.
I cannot believe those guys. Did you know that Microsoft's ".NET"
project is nearly identical to a Netscape project in 1995 that was never
finished (probably due to Microsoft) called Costellation. Back then they
were just developing Windows 98. They are just a bunch of "has beens".
Shove everyone in the market around and steal other peoples ideas. Isn't
that the worst type of monopoly this country has ever seen? Innovation
my ASS!! Whats up with the crappy BIOs/IRQ architecture? Microsoft's
plug and play would work a lot better with something from beyond the
dark ages. You'd think they would develop something beyond 1970
technology there. All I see is a lucky man who got his OS (MS-DOS) on
all of IBM's PC's. And that was not even developed by him!!!
P.S. Internet Explorer was originally developed by Spry, Inc.
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From: alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: short question (for a change)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:30:04 GMT
Yes hello there,
Functionally, why does apache have dir's 'etc/httpd/modules' and
'usr/lib/apache', as the contents seem to be identical?? In fact, making an
entry in one seems to create an entry in the other.
-Alan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter R. Schmitt)
Subject: Re: sis 6326
Date: 12 Jul 2000 04:12:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On or about Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:06:57 GMT,
Graham Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> allegedly wrote:
>Hello.
>
>>He's got an amd k6-2 300 on an asus somethingorother motherboard with (and
>>here's the kicker) an SIS 6326 agp 3d pro video card.
>snip
>>Does anyone who reads and writes _english_ have this card working with a
>>non-pcchips motherboard, and what gyrations were required?
>>I don't want to cheat him of experience. I just want to drop a few hints.
>
>I have a SiS6326 PCI card running Xfree86 3.3.6 on an Intel VXD board.
>I had to add a couple of lines to the Devices section of the XF86Config to get
>it to run most of the time at 1024x768x16bit:
>
[snip excellent suggestions]
>
>The speed is noticeably worse than the cheap S3 Virge DX board I replaced,
>particularly with video apps like Xawtv.
So why are you using it at all?
I've got a cheap 4MB S3 Virge DX in the machine I'm typing on right now.
(P1 133; Gateway castoff. Not bad for a free MB) This card honks pretty
righteously for the $25 I spent on it over a year ago =^]
Oblinuxsuperiority: I simply cannot BELIEVE how well this system runs
given its feeble power. I run a bunch of daemons on this thing.
I can playback mp3's with XMMS , read news with slrn, and at the same time
generate a new Excite! index for all of the documentation I keep in my
apache htdocs directory (over 14M) and the playback doesn't burp in the
slightest. I've tried winamp on a similarly powered windoze box, all by
itself, and the mouse practically goes utterly dead. I'm talking SECONDS
between moves here.
I've also noticed that XMMS *sounds better* than winamp, even under such
ridiculous circumstances!
Go figure!
>
>Under winblows95 the performance is a little faster than the S3 but it too
>shows the little black squares for text for some fonts.
>
>I think the task is a little unfair for a beginner! How about lending him a
>video card that isn't so demanding until he gets it going and sort out the SiS
>6326 later?
Hey! It's what he's got, and I've emboldened him by regailing (sp?) my own
many 'tales of whoa', having eventually, sometimes with great difficulty
and much RTFM'ing and gnashing of teeth, gotten everything I set my sights
on to work without exception. He knows this stuff is doable. He also knows
some suffering may be involved and he actually wants that head banging
experience. Too k3w1! He just might be a hell of a BOFH some day.
I'd be ever so proud! (sniff!)
I'll lend him my old Stealth 24 if he really gets stuck, though. That one's
a no-brainer to get going.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Graham
Thanks so much, Graham, and to everyone else who responded.
I'll report back our findings when it's all working.
I'll also attempt to post to the RIGHT GROUP in the future =-/
(comp.os.linux.x)!
Pete.
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- Nobody moves very much in a Hanna Barbera cartoon! - Zorak
- Kids! Lusers! If I context switch any faster, my brain is gonna burn up!
- Prschmitt at yahoo dot com .
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tony summerfelt)
Subject: Re: free firewall configuration utility
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:44:09 GMT
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:42:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was looking for fwconfig and found fbuilder lite: it is free and it
> is AMAZING!
it doesn't crank out anything you can't find elsewhere. i found that it
pretty much duplicated my ipchains script...
> www.innertek.com/fbuilder
i wonder what the `plus' will cost...it doesn't seem to offer anything more
than you can get for free...
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From: "beo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: removing programs in Linux
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:48:14 GMT
Hello all,
Currently, I have apache 1.3.10 installed in my SuSE 6.2; however, I
upgraded to 1.3.12 using the source package. And my question is how do I
know whether my 1.3.12 has overwritten the 1.3.10 or not? Also, since Apache
has many different files in many directories, how can I remove the Apache
program in linux? Do I need to go in every direcotries to remove the
individual files? Thanks!!
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From: Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Yes! Another GNU tar question
Date: 12 Jul 2000 05:19:14 GMT
OK check this one out... -chris
22:18:57</># tar cf zip/home.joanne.tar home/joanne/ --exclude=home/joanne/
22:19:06</># tar tvf zip/home.joanne.tar
drwxr-sr-x joanne/joanne 0 2000-01-26 00:30 home/joanne/
-rw-r--r-- joanne/joanne 55 2000-01-09 17:12 home/joanne/.bashrc
-rw-r--r-- joanne/joanne 68 2000-01-09 17:12 home/joanne/.bash_profile
-rw------- joanne/joanne 65 2000-01-26 00:29 home/joanne/.xsession-errors
-rw-rw-r-- joanne/joanne 26 2000-01-13 11:05 home/joanne/.Maelstrom-data
-rw------- joanne/joanne 99 2000-01-13 11:12 home/joanne/.bash_history
-rw------- joanne/joanne 0 2000-01-26 00:30 home/joanne/.Xauthority
-rwxrwxr-x joanne/joanne 34 2000-01-13 09:31 home/joanne/.xsession
-rw-rw-r-- joanne/joanne 684 2000-01-13 11:10 home/joanne/.xboing-scores
drwx--S--- joanne/joanne 0 2000-01-26 00:26 home/joanne/.netscape/
-rw-r--r-- joanne/joanne 526 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/registry
-rw------- joanne/joanne 184320 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/cert7.db
-rw------- joanne/joanne 16384 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/key3.db
-rw------- joanne/joanne 16384 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/secmodule.db
-rw------- joanne/joanne 16384 2000-01-26 00:26 home/joanne/.netscape/history.dat
-rw------- joanne/joanne 11409 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/bookmarks.html
-rw-r--r-- joanne/joanne 275 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/plugin-list
drwx--S--- joanne/joanne 0 2000-01-26 00:26 home/joanne/.netscape/cache/
-rw------- joanne/joanne 16384 2000-01-26 00:26 home/joanne/.netscape/cache/index.db
drwxr-sr-x joanne/joanne 0 2000-01-26 00:26 home/joanne/.netscape/cache/16/
drwx--S--- joanne/joanne 0 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/archive/
-rw-r--r-- joanne/joanne 2202 2000-01-26 00:26 home/joanne/.netscape/preferences.js
-rw------- joanne/joanne 202 2000-01-26 00:26 home/joanne/.netscape/cookies
-rw-r--r-- joanne/joanne 275 2000-01-26 00:25 home/joanne/.netscape/plugin-list.BAK
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From: Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GNU tar question number four
Date: 12 Jul 2000 05:36:45 GMT
Still better, and worse:
>From the info page:
To check for discrepancies in an archive immediately after it is
written, use the `--verify' (`-W') option in conjunction with the
`--create' (`-c') operation. When this option is specified, `tar'
checks archive members against their counterparts in the file system,
and reports discrepancies on the standard error. In multi-volume
archives, each volume is verified after it is written, before the next
volume is written.
>From my computer:
22:34:24</># tar cWf zip/home.joanne.tar --multi-volume home/joanne/
tar: Cannot verify multi-volume archives
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
22:34:37</>#
-chris
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From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Consequences of a new kernel
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:17:37 +0000 (UTC)
Last time, on the hit series comp.os.linux.misc,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] shocked the world by saying:
> When 2.4 is available I want to upgrade to take advantage of USB
> support. However, I am unsure about the the *consequences* of installing
> a new kernel.
To be honest, it's really minimal.
> Obviously, the OS has been built upon a particular kernel API.
> Therefore, a new kernel can break the installed system by changing the
> API.
True, but this isn't Windows. When I first set up the system I'm writing
this from (about two years ago) it was running Linux 2.0.something. I then
upgraded to the 2.2 and then 2.3 series kernels, mostly for bugfixes and
new features but partially just to be on the "bleeding edge." I have yet
to encounter a broken application as a result of a kernel upgrade.
Upgrading the C library, though, can be anywhere from unwise (upgrading
from one minor release to the next) to darn near impossible (upgrading
from libc5 to glibc/libc6). Functions from the C library are probably used
much more frequently than the (comparatively few) kernel functions.
Upgrading the kernel should be safe and harmless, though. Check all the
obvious things -- check and double-check your lilo configuration (or
whatever you use to boot your system), and *always* make sure you have a
way to boot your system if something really bad happens (a known-good
kernel on a write-protected floppy disc, or something like that).
Have fun!
...dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Config network cards
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:43:53 GMT
In article <OGNa5.43$TX.5736689@elnws01>,
"Marc Nesheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I have an old 486 running redhat 6.2. I would like to get two intel
> etherexpress cards (isa) working in there. No matter how I have the
two
> cards arranged in the system only eth0 will come up. When I type in:
ifup
> eth1 the following error message is generated:
>
> SIOCSIFADDR: No buffer space available
> SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address
> SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Cannot assign requested address
> SIOCADDRT: No such device
>
> Then I do an ifconfig and that out pu looks like:
>
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:AA:00:55:36:C0
> inet addr:172.16.0.2 Bcast:172.16.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:246 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:362 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
> Interrupt:3 Base address:0x310
>
> eth1 Link encap:AMPR NET/ROM HWaddr
> UP RUNNING MTU:0 Metric:1
> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
> Interrupt:5 Base address:0x300
this last paragraph means theres a eth1 device already up in your
system,
but its not ethernet, its AMPR/....
whatever that means.
i have actually *not the slightest* idea what that is .
are you *sure* your 2 cards are identical?
tried to remove the ethernet0 yet?
is the other one recognized as eth0 then and working?
any funny networking devices activated in your kernel?
try to replay your boot-messages with dmesg.
what does it say in connection with eth1?
puzzled.
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so let us not talk falsely now, the hour's getting late'
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Subject: Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor?
From: Dowe Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 11 Jul 2000 22:12:36 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I use now is TeX, which is, of course, not WYSIWYG but is a word
> processor. So, WYSIWYGness is not equivalent to word processing.
I hate to nit-pick, but TeX is not a word processor, it's a
typesetting language.
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From: Yee Siew Chin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: smrsh sendmail mailman problem
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:03 GMT
hi
do a symlinks like this:-
ln -snf /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper
regards,
Siew Chin
Headbang wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
> My system uses sednmail restricted shell now i need to configure smrsh by
> creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper which is in
> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper to the directory identifying executables
allowed
> to run under smrsh but how and to where?
> I dont have no id how to make symlinks or to where
>
> Grtz Headbang
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor?
Date: 11 Jul 2000 23:33:18 PST
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can edit text, shred text, do all sorts of unspeakable things to
> text, just like a food processor does to food. So why isn't XEmacs
> and its older, estranged brother considered a word processor?
Because it is just *text* that is being manipulated. Try opening
a MS Word document, for example, in a text editor and you will see
the difference.
A program can be powerful and elegant but if it just works with
text it will forever be a text editor. That is not to say that
a text editor is better or worse than a word processing program,
they are just different tools. Many people consider Emacs to
be the best software in existance -- but a word proccesor it
will never be.
--
Neil
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: removing programs in Linux
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:41:47 -0700
$ rpm -qi apache
$ su -
password: <secret>
# updatedb
# # wait a long time until locate database is updated.
# locate apache
beo wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Currently, I have apache 1.3.10 installed in my SuSE 6.2; however, I
> upgraded to 1.3.12 using the source package. And my question is how do I
> know whether my 1.3.12 has overwritten the 1.3.10 or not? Also, since Apache
> has many different files in many directories, how can I remove the Apache
> program in linux? Do I need to go in every direcotries to remove the
> individual files? Thanks!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Homer Jay)
Subject: Re: Window Manager With X
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:53:01 -0600
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:48, Nicholas Murison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Bill wrote:
>> How do I make X run without a Window Manager in RedHat 6.2?
>
>Run the command X. This will give you nothing but the basic X server
>with a dot-matrix background. To exit, press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.
>Nicholas John Murison
Doesn't X use a default window manager in this instance, perhaps fvwm?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RealCea)
Subject: Microsoft
Date: 12 Jul 2000 07:00:10 GMT
Did you know that Microsoft's ".NET" project is nearly identical to a Netscape
project in 1995 that was never finished (probably due to Microsoft) called
Costellation. Back then Microsoft was fixing Windows 95's numerous bugs.
(1997?)Microsoft threatens Gateway and others not to substitute Netscape for IE
on shipped systems or it would not give them a resale license for Windows.
Isn't that the worst type of monopoly this country has ever seen? Their
innovation is simply netscape's developments.
And, why are we still using BIOs/IRQ architecture? Microsoft's plug and play
would work a lot better with something from beyond the dark ages. It would be
relatively simple for them to develop windows for an advanced PNP architecture.
All I see is a lucky man who got his OS (MS-DOS) on all of IBM's PC's. And that
was not even developed by him!!!
This is just an example of innovations that did not happen because of
Microsoft's lack of innovation. With someone else leading who knows were we
would be today? Mars?
So, as the story goes. While it is smart to buy a good idea and make a killing
off of it. A stagnat meglomothic computer software company who uses it's
monopolistic powers to push around a young innovative company and develop it's
innovations at the same time is simply why we have anti-trust. The industy
needs to remain fresh not stagnat. I would much rather have seen Netscape win
the battle than Microsoft for that very reason.
P.S. Internet Explorer was originally developed by Spyglass which was a
derivative of Mosaic (Netscape is also a derivative of Mosaic).
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From: "Barns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Re: Application required - Word Processor
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:02:43 +0200
Thanks for all the posts,
I've ended up using Galahad from some university (written in 89). I
specified word processor as opposed to editor as the latter tend not to have
word wrapping (as best I know) i.e the likes of vi, edit.com etc... Galahad
is quite functionally rich too - which wasn't a requirement.
I really just wanted something to write with. I haven't understood whether
LaTeX is an editor capable of word wrapping.
I'm saving up for a PC! and have already purchased Corel Linux which
includes WP8 Lite edition for the equivalent of about $15. (in my curreny it
was R99!!) which is incredibly cheap.
And if I can comment on $69 - that's a lot of money - certainly a long way
from being freeware. Thanks for the thought anyway
regards to all - Barns
PS. Apologies for not mentioning my email address contained the word nospam
which was to be removed - someone told me off about that.
"Christopher Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Carl Fink would say:
> >On 11 Jul 2000 19:04:35 GMT Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Well, TeX could be called a "word processor" although it is certainly
> >>not WISIWYG.
> >
> >You think? LyX I would recognize as a WP, although I find it
> >unusable.
>
> If the plan is to run in console mode, then the gentle user will decidedly
> _not_ be using LyX.
>
> If running in console mode, the only way that "WYSIWYG" is likely is
> if the gentle user restricts themselves to ASCII text, and uses a text
> editor like vi, Emacs, or EDLIN, and prints the text in rather "raw"
> manner to the printer.
>
> Note that this _IS_ WYSIWYG, albeit without there being any pretty
> pictures, font controls, or such.
>
> In contrast, using TeX generally leads to a non-WYSIWYG approach, rather
> more like "What you can describe using TeX macros you can print quite
> beautifully, regardless of how it may look in the input file."
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
> "Some sins carry with them their own automatic punishment. Microsoft
> is one such. Live by the Bill, suffer by the Bill, die by the Bill."
> -- Tom Christiansen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: How to resolve "failed dependency" in RPM
Date: 12 Jul 2000 07:05:54 GMT
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:53:16 GMT, Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:12:42 +0800, Pacific <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Dear all,
>>
>>When I install the Xconfigurator with RPM, the linux complained that
>>the "failed dependency" occured. Several file names are quoted in the
>>error message. However, I don't know where to get out these names.
>
>Check the CD for those packages (or wherever you got Xconfigurator).
>
The problem is: how to determine the package name given the name of a
library file.
The latest redhat has a rpm option called --filesbypkg. You can run
that on all rpm files on the cd fx.
cd ....../RPMS
rpm -qp --filesbypkg *.rpm > /tmp/filelist
The names in this list will be the short package names so you need to
add some version number and .i386.rpm to the name to get the file name
from the directory.
if --filesbypkg doesn't work use --qf '[%-25{=NAME} %{FILENAMES}\n]'
Villy
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