Linux-Misc Digest #772, Volume #25 Fri, 15 Sep 00 19:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Yannick")
Re: grub gone, can't boot linux ("Lonni J. Friedman")
rh62 and openssh ("Darren Welson")
Re: Help Question? (Rafael)
Re: help config eth0 AE-200PNP-C (Rafael)
Re: Packet Loss (Rafael)
Re: rh62 and openssh (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: what rpm includes rman (Mandrake 7) ("David ..")
Re: what rpm includes rman (Mandrake 7) (Alex Chudnovsky)
Plug and play monitor experience?
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Re: Help Question? (Andreas K�h�ri)
Re: MS Proxy (David Rysdam)
Re: Help Question? ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: Mount ISO in NT like in Linux (Mark)
Tool to track projects/tesks?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Efforts to build TeVo Clone?
Re: isp assigned ip (jabali)
openpty failed (Jurjen Oskam)
Re: Filtering Navigator printing
Kernel https? ("Adrian Blakey")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:15:31 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:46:29 GMT, Yannick wrote:
> >
>
> >Does RPM have an automatic repair functionality (not that useful, of
course,
> >but still...) ?
>
> It has a "verify" option. If something's hosed, you can re-install the
> files.
Yes, I think that corresponds to the option found, in particular, in Office
2000 programs
"help" menu.
MSI also have a special feature on those points that launch an application
(start menu shortcuts, for instance, and perhaps also COM entries in the
registries, although I'm not sure about the latter) : Imagine the Word
directory has been wiped out, when you select "Word" in the start menu, it
will detect the files are missing and restore them from the MSI package.
This, of course, can be considered not useful (what with admins installing
the programs and setting up proper securities). But it has some use on those
case when you install some software yourself and don't want to take the time
to set up the permissions so as to prevent yourself from removing the
program, in that case the auto repair might come useful, although this is
only comfort.
>
> > and also that possibility to advertise optional
> >functionality with on-demand installation ? And the package
transformations,
> >allowing multiple package customizations while reducing HD space ?
>
> I don't know what you mean by the above.
Since I don't know which one you refer to, I'll detail both :
- on-demand installation lets you install some menu options, shortcuts,
etc... referring to elements that are not really installed until you invoke
them. This is a way of "advertising" the possible functionality of the
application while saving disk space for those you do not invoke.
- package transformations. The goal here is to customize the package. Take
office, for instance. By default, the MSI package will ask you questions
(interactive installation) about what you want to install. Now suppose
you're the sysadmin. You want to decide what elements are needed for each
category of users, and perform an automatic installation of those packages.
For each category of users, you build a transformation of the MSI package
describing the actual setup options. This transformation is not a new
package, it really is the definition of the transformation : when you
install with the transformation, it uses the original MSI package. Thus, if
you have ten different categories of users with different needs, you'll only
have one big MSI file and ten much smaller files describing the
tranformations.
Now you set up everything so that the install starts when your users log off
on friday evening and shutdown their machines after completion.
(All the information here is based on a presentation of MSI package and a
discussion with a sysadmin some time ago. I hope I have not made mistakes,
they shouldn't be big anyway).
Yannick.
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: grub gone, can't boot linux
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:52:01 -0400
Tom Grek wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have two hard drives, and a perfect (slaved over for days) linux
> installation on the slowest one. I've copied it's partition to the new
> faster drive and can access it under the Mandrake rescue disk. But I
> have no GRUB bootloader, and can't use lilo because of the 1024 cyls
> limit. So, I ask, how can I put grub back on? (I need to dual boot with
> Win98 too).
> Thanks very much.
If you can boot back into linux with a floppy, then you can reinstall
GRUB with a single command. See this website under the GRUB section for
that command:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
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From: "Darren Welson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: rh62 and openssh
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:45:55 -0700
I am trying to install openssh for Linux and cannot complete the RPM
install. When I install the RPMs, I get an
'rpmlib (version discrepency) <= 3.0.3 - ...'
or something like this. I am not sure what rpmlib means, is it the
rpmbuild, or somthing else?
If anyone has successfully installed openssh 2.2.0 I would like to know if
you have had any trouble like this.
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From: Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help Question?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:39:06 -0700
What OS you think about! There is one Linux, but a lot of different
distrybution.
Maybe you was thinking about the different distribution.
For Home users and those who do not like work in text mode, maybe
Mandrake will be good. But for me it was not so good. The instalation is
full blown graphical and is not so easy to find instalation i text
mode.
I suggest Slackware or RedHat if you realy like (U)nix.
Rafael
Summerlill wrote:
> Please list two operating systems and their strong points !!!!
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From: Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help config eth0 AE-200PNP-C
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:40:12 -0700
Give the name of the chip, is it Realtek chip?
Peter Bismuti wrote:
> Hi, I have a Addtron ethernet adaptor model number AE-200PNP-C. REdhat6.1
> did not detect it properly after a hardware rebuild. Can anyone give me a
> little help setting it up?
>
> Thanks!
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From: Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Packet Loss
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:42:27 -0700
What hardware do you have, is it 486, Pentium, AMD (K6, Athlon, Duron) etc?
Is your Net Card ISA or PCI?
Rafael
Bluezz wrote:
> Hello I have a Red Hat linux box that has been humming along nicely. All of
> a sudden
> I am getting 80% packet loss on average. I have tried changing network
> cards,
> recompiling the kernel (stripping out most uneeded drivers) and also even
> changing the actual computer (motherboard, memory, etc). The cables were
> also tested and it was concluded that they are fine. The only conculsion I
> have
> come to is that is must be some sort of OS issue. I am running only Linux
> on
> kernel 2.2.13. Could someone tell me how this could all of a sudden happen,
> but most of all how can I debug this ???
>
> Thanks in advance for your help !
>
> Regards
> T
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: rh62 and openssh
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:54:38 GMT
Darren Welson wrote:
>
> I am trying to install openssh for Linux and cannot complete the RPM
> install. When I install the RPMs, I get an
>
> 'rpmlib (version discrepency) <= 3.0.3 - ...'
> or something like this. I am not sure what rpmlib means, is it the
> rpmbuild, or somthing else?
>
> If anyone has successfully installed openssh 2.2.0 I would like to know if
> you have had any trouble like this.
Download the tar.gz version instead. If you have your C compiler installed
(RH does it by default), then you just become root and do
tar -xzf filenameofpackage.tar.gz
cd filenameofpackage
./configure
make
make install
and then become your normal user self again. It actually is pretty
fast and easy in most cases.
Chris
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what rpm includes rman (Mandrake 7)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:51:22 -0500
zoot wrote:
>
> doug edmunds wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to figure out which rpm installed the file "rman:
> > which is in /bin.
> > Is there a tool out there which will search rpms for file
> > names or part names?
"rpm -qf /bin/rman" should show which package it is included in.
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From: Alex Chudnovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what rpm includes rman (Mandrake 7)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:54:04 -0400
doug edmunds wrote:
> correction:
> its in /usr/bin not /bin
> correct path: /usr/bin/rman
>
>
>
> doug edmunds wrote:
>
> > I am trying to figure out which rpm installed the file "rman:
> > which is in /bin.
> > Is there a tool out there which will search rpms for file
> > names or part names?
> >
> > -- doug edmunds
>
rpm --query --file /usr/bin/rman - supposing that the package is already
installed. If the package is not installed and you are looking for
particular file among heap of rpms, do something like this :
for i in *.rpm; do if rpm -ql $i | grep my_file_name; then echo $i; fi done
There are also plenty of other ways to do that, so your mileage may vary.
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Regards,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Plug and play monitor experience?
Date: 15 Sep 2000 21:12:47 GMT
Hello All,
I'm planning to buy a new monitor for my Linux box, the old one has
difficulties displaying all the colours. I saw a Fujitsu one in Sainsburys,
which is reasonably priced. However, it is a plug and play model. I seem to
remember hearing incompatibility issues with pnp devices used for Linux, so
before committing myself, I'd like to make sure tht it will work. Does anyone
have any experience with pnp monitors? Especially the Fujitsu variety, if
I'm not mistaken the model is DE-570 KAT.
Any comment would be greatly appreciated.
TIA,
Akos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:12:15 GMT
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:29:19 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:59:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RogerB) wrote:
>
>> Crap. For years Ms has been the only produce because
>>the stores sell nothing else.
>
>Bull shit. There has *never* been a time when MS didn't have
>any competition. Claiming "they only came out on top because
>the stores sell nothing else" is as stupid as the crap Ray Lopez
>screams about how linux is useless. Lets stick to reality.
No it isn't.
You can't call Solaris or Next "competition" if you can't
buy either OS without undergoing unreasonable effort. The
same is true of GEM or Desqview/X or even OS/2, MacOS and
BeOS.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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Subject: Re: Help Question?
From: Andreas K�h�ri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 Sep 2000 22:41:14 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Summerlill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Please list two operating systems and their strong points !!!!
Please do your homework yourself.
If this was not a homework quiz, then please visit the home page of
any operating system (guess the name yourself). Do some reading.
/A
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Reformat is a state of disk...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rysdam)
Subject: Re: MS Proxy
Date: 15 Sep 2000 20:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are we talking about web traffic (where you can just configure the
proxy settings of your browser) or "regular" (i.e. telnet, ftp, pop3,
etc) traffic?
If the latter, I just solved this problem myself the other day.
Warning: I had to make modifications to the proxy server, if you can't
do this it may not work for you.
MS Proxy includes support for SOCKS4. You need to enable this on the
server (for me this just meant that I had to change the "deny all"
rule with something else. Then install the "run-socks" (or
"runsocks"?) on your Linux client and read the man page for it.
Pretty easy.
And [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spoke:
>Hate to ask as this has probably been covered previously but I would
>like to know how to setup my 6.2 linux to make it through the microsoft
>proxy... Is there a proxy client that has been created for linux yet?
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>Adam
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help Question?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:44:34 -0400
Summerlill wrote:
>
> Please list two operating systems and their strong points !!!!
no thanks. if i wanted to write essays, i'd go back to school
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Subject: Re: Mount ISO in NT like in Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:25:15 GMT
You could always get WinImage (www.winimage.com) which does allow you to
view and extract files from an ISO image file.
It has a good 30 day demo which only increments if you use it.
Works for me.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tool to track projects/tesks??
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:15:47 GMT
Tool to track projects/tesks??
Does anyone know a free tool??
please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am looking for something to
keep track of my tesks or projects
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Efforts to build TeVo Clone?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:36:30 GMT
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:53 GMT, Greg Donovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know of any efforts to make a TeVo clone on the linux
>platform?
Realtime MPEG de/compression is the real biggie...
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From: jabali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: isp assigned ip
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:39:41 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (SJB) wrote:
>How would I go about finding out what ip adress my isp has assigned my
>computer on login?
If you are using kppp, click on the "details" box. On the top right hand side
you will find both home and host ip.
--
jabali
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From: Jurjen Oskam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: openpty failed
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:05:58 +0200
Hi,
I'm running SuSE Linux 6.4:
calvin:~ # uname -a
Linux calvin 2.2.16 #1 Sun Jul 9 17:51:02 GMT 2000 i586 unknown
... and I experienced a strange problem earlier today. After a
hardware replacement (a fan was failing), I booted this system (which
is running fine for quite some time now). I found that I couldn't
telnet or ssh in. Telnetd and sshd said that they couldn't open a tty.
Logging in from the console went fine, and a reboot solved the
problem.
The only thing I was toying with that session, was the lm-sensors
package.
Does this sound familiar to anyone?
end
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Filtering Navigator printing
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:15:39 GMT
[missed the original post]
Why are you not using apsfilter? Or do you have a PS printer?
Netscape prints Postscript. Works for me.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:15:25 +0200, TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
>I tryed of course to do that with sthg like enscript some_options |
>lpr but didn't get in close what I expected
>
>Any example, tip ?
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob Hauck a �crit :
>
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:57:04 +0200, TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >I'd like to know how to filter the printing from Netscape Navigator
>> >through something like enscript.
>>
>> Er, Netscape has an entry for "Print Command" in the printing dialog
>> box. Presumably it pipes the postscript to whatever program you put
>> there. You oughta be able to do something with that and maybe a small
>> shell script.
>>
>> --
>> -| Bob Hauck
>> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
>> -| http://www.haucks.org/
>
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><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
>I tryed of course to do that with sthg like <b><tt>enscript
>some_options | lpr</tt></b><tt> </tt> but didn't get in close
>what I expected
><p>Any example, tip ?
><p>Thanks
><p>Bob Hauck a écrit :
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:57:04 +0200, TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
><p>>I'd like to know how to filter the printing from Netscape Navigator
><br>>through something like enscript.
><p>Er, Netscape has an entry for "Print Command" in the printing dialog
><br>box. Presumably it pipes the postscript to whatever program you
>put
><br>there. You oughta be able to do something with that and maybe
>a small
><br>shell script.
><p>--
><br> -| Bob Hauck
><br> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
><br> -| <a href="http://www.haucks.org/">http://www.haucks.org/</a></blockquote>
></html>
>
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From: "Adrian Blakey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel https?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:38:36 -0700
I read that the new kernels are able to run the http protocol. Does anyone
know of plans to do https in the kernel? This might be more interesting
towards the end of the month once the patents expire.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 15 Sep 2000 23:06:45 GMT
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:15:31 GMT, Yannick wrote:
>This, of course, can be considered not useful (what with admins installing
>the programs and setting up proper securities).
Well actually, on UNIX, program install with sensible permissions by
default. So in practice, you don't need to worry about "accidently
deleting" things. Still, file system corruption or seomthing like that
could occur at least in theory, and that's when you use rpm -V
>case when you install some software yourself and don't want to take the time
>to set up the permissions i
The good thing about UNIX is that the permissions are reasonable in the
first place.
> so as to prevent yourself from removing the
>program, in that case the auto repair might come useful, although this is
>only comfort.
Well like I said, you can use rpm -V which will report missing files,
then re-install.
>> > and also that possibility to advertise optional
>> >functionality with on-demand installation ? And the package
>transformations,
>> >allowing multiple package customizations while reducing HD space ?
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by the above.
>Since I don't know which one you refer to, I'll detail both :
>- on-demand installation lets you install some menu options, shortcuts,
>etc... referring to elements that are not really installed until you invoke
>them.
I see. IN LInux, you'd acheieve this goal by having multiple packages.
vim-color
vim-common
vim-X11
...
qt
qt-devel
qt-documentation
...
>you're the sysadmin. You want to decide what elements are needed for each
>category of users, and perform an automatic installation of those packages.
>For each category of users, you build a transformation of the MSI package
>describing the actual setup options. This transformation is not a new
>package, it really is the definition of the transformation : when you
>install with the transformation, it uses the original MSI package. Thus, if
>you have ten different categories of users with different needs, you'll only
>have one big MSI file and ten much smaller files describing the
>tranformations.
Are you saying you install the software once for each user ? I'm confused.
>Now you set up everything so that the install starts when your users log off
>on friday evening and shutdown their machines after completion.
If you want to set certain times for installs, you can do this with
cron.
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