Linux-Misc Digest #802, Volume #25 Mon, 18 Sep 00 22:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: CD Writers and Macs - discuss (James Campbell Andrew)
Re: ext2 file size limit? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Peter T. Breuer")
Same IRQ for sound and Modem of IRQ 5 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Practice Test for SAIR ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
recursive ls ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Printing from Netscape (Andrew Booker)
Re: AOL for Linux??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newer versions of CDRECORD no longer work... (Bill Unruh)
Re: recursive ls (Vilmos Soti)
Re: recursive ls (Brian V. Smith)
Re: how do i delete my linux partition? (Garry Knight)
Help: Netscape 6 won't start (Matt Foster)
printer spool ownership (Praedor Tempus)
How to mount a MAC CD on a Linux box? (Neil Cherry)
make modules_install is blowing up in 2.4.0-test8 kernel (stu)
Re: OSS Instead of Esound (lobotomy)
Linux
modem initialization problem (Francis Tseng)
Re: Newer versions of CDRECORD no longer work... (Grant Edwards)
Re: CD Writers and Macs - discuss (Robert Heller)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
Re: Basic networking question. (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
Re: CD Writers and Macs - discuss (Robert Heller)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Campbell Andrew)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: CD Writers and Macs - discuss
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:57:28 +0100
John Winters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Except that that isn't necessarily enough. I've tried to burn the
> image of MkLinux with cdrecord and it doesn't come out right. According
> to the MkLinux home page it needs to be *burnt* on a Mac, but they're
> cagey as to exactly why. I'd like to know.
Ahh. Bummer. Well, in truth, it probably won't stop me from buying the
blessed thing (I need the replacement CD aspect of it if nothing else)
but it would be nice if the Macs could share it somehow. If I do get it,
and have any success with it, I'll be sure to tell all :-)
Jim
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: ext2 file size limit?
Date: 18 Sep 2000 22:13:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Anders Gulden Olstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: ext2fs has a filesize limit of 2GB, I'm sorry.
You are confusing yourself through the 31-bit effect on ix86 VFS. Extfs
has no built-in 32 bit limit. There are large file patches for ix86.
The kernel VFS supports large lseeks anyway. It's up to user applications
to make the right library call.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 18 Sep 2000 22:06:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:> Sure...just put it in a shutdown script.
:> But...with unix..the utility of shutting down machines is nil.
: It is. It's called saving energy. Unless you have teams working 24h/24h
: 7 days a week.
That calculation is moot. You lose more energy in the lower lifetime of
the disks (it takes a LOT of energy to make one hard disk). Disks fail
when left nonspinning, and when spun up. (This is mostly true of
IDE disks, which are not made to high standards in general, and which
tend strongly to have bearing mechanisms which seize when they
aren't used ...).
Just keep the machine on ... it shouldn't use much energy when the
monitor's off. Besides, my machine is always doing things when I'm
not there ...
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Same IRQ for sound and Modem of IRQ 5
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:24:08 GMT
Hello,
I have a HP 3390 notebook with a built in Modem and Sound. I installed
Mandrake 7.1 and it's Great ! I can use the Harddrake config utility and
it finds the hardware but does not list anything in the right pane? I
can go to the /dev dir and the sound file is flashing red, probably
because of the IRQ conflict. They have different Mem addresses, anyway
to set them up or buy the external Linksys Modem/Lan adapter??
Thanks for any input David
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Practice Test for SAIR ??
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:25:46 GMT
Hey,
Anyone know where I can find some practice test for the sair linux LCA??
I would appreciate any info,, Thanks David
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Before you buy.
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:05:09 +1000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: recursive ls
I am attempting to find a way to use the ls command to report all files
under a given directory recursively. The ls -R command returns these
files in the format
files in start directory
subdirectory 1:
files in subdirectory 1
subdirectory 2:
files in subdirectory 2
etc. However, I need the format
files in start directory
subdirectory 1/file in subdirectory 1
subdirectory 1/another file in subdirectory 1
etc. I have tried ls -R -d, but, of course, this just give all files in
the start directory, including directories.
If anyone is able to help me out with some little-known (i.e. not listed
in the man pages) ls option, I would be very grateful
-dionysus
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From: Andrew Booker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Printing from Netscape
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:54:38 +0100
Hi,
I'm probably missing the obvious, but how can I get Netscape to print
pages using the fonts that appear on screen?
I've been reading various docs on the web, and have improved Netscape's
display of fonts on screen considerably, but it refuses to print in
anything other than Times.
Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AOL for Linux???
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:59:07 -0400
In <8g1u5d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/18/2000
at 11:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan) said:
>youcan browse aol mail at aolmail.com, i even installed gaim & everybuddy
> for my wife who's hardcore about these AOL chat thingies. Really, the
>only thing missing is their interface (Thank God!) because there's NO WAY
> that THAT thing will ever be installed on my Linux box
I was about to say. Take an extremely efficient OS and pollute it with a
doggedly slow interface. <yuk>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Newer versions of CDRECORD no longer work...
Date: 18 Sep 2000 23:03:54 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> The sg module should be under /lib/modules/$VERSION/scsi/sg.o
>>
>OK. So I've got to recompile my kernel to include the special SCSI
>driver. It would be nice if stuff like this was documented. Note the
>following quote from the cdrecord package description:
No, No, No, No. Please Listen. sg is a module. It does NOT need a kernel
recompile, unless what you have is a kernel you recompiled and messed
up. It is included with the distrubution of Redhat/mandrake, which you
apprently have.
Now, people keep saying
What happens when you do modprobe sg
So
What happens when you do modprobe sg.
and what about lsmod
Do you see sg in that list.
Do you want help or should we all just let you rant and ignore it?
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Subject: Re: recursive ls
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:04:23 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I am attempting to find a way to use the ls command to report all files
> under a given directory recursively. The ls -R command returns these
> files in the format
>
> files in start directory
>
> subdirectory 1:
> files in subdirectory 1
>
> subdirectory 2:
> files in subdirectory 2
>
> etc. However, I need the format
>
> files in start directory
> subdirectory 1/file in subdirectory 1
> subdirectory 1/another file in subdirectory 1
It is not clear for me what you want. Maybe a
find /where/to/list/from -type f
would help?
Vilmos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian V. Smith)
Subject: Re: recursive ls
Date: 18 Sep 2000 22:56:35 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|> I am attempting to find a way to use the ls command to report all files
|> under a given directory recursively. The ls -R command returns these
|> files in the format
|>
|> files in start directory
|>
|> subdirectory 1:
|> files in subdirectory 1
|>
|> subdirectory 2:
|> files in subdirectory 2
|>
|> etc. However, I need the format
|>
|> files in start directory
|> subdirectory 1/file in subdirectory 1
|> subdirectory 1/another file in subdirectory 1
find <dir> -exec ls -ld {} \;
Replace <dir> with the starting directory.
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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do i delete my linux partition?
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:15:39 +0100
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Kim Burton wrote:
>can somneone please tell me how to delete my linux partition?
>i don't have partition magic and i've already tried fdisk
Download Ranish Partition Manager and use it to change all your Linux
partitions to the same type as your Windows partition. Then use it to format
each of them (except the original Windows one), then delete each of them
(except the original) starting at the last and working down to the first.
While I've carried out this operation successfully, you do so at your own risk.
<URL: http://www.users.intercom.com/~ranish/part/> Ranish partition manager
Full details of how to use it are in the ReadMe file.
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From: Matt Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help: Netscape 6 won't start
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:16:57 +0000
I downloaded and installed Netscape 6 according to the instructions, but it
won't start. Here's what it says when I try to run it...
[matt@localhost netscape]$ pwd
/opt/netscape
[matt@localhost netscape]$ ./netscape
/run-mozilla.sh ./mozilla-bin
MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/netscape
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/netscape/Cool:/opt/netscape:/usr/local/qt/lib:/usr/local/q
t/lib
LIBPATH=/opt/netscape:/opt/netscape/Cool
SHLIB_PATH=/opt/netscape:/opt/netscape/Cool
XPCS_HOME=/opt/netscape/Cool
MOZ_PROGRAM=./mozilla-bin
MOZ_TOOLKIT=
moz_debug=0
moz_debugger=
**************************************************
nsNativeComponentLoader: GetFactory(/tmp/.tmp.xi.0/bin/components/libxpinstall.so
) Load FAILED with error: <unknown; can't get error from NSPR>
**************************************************
Could not obtain CmdLine processing service
Any help with this one??
Matt
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: printer spool ownership
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:45:05 -0600
I have found that Mandrake seems to mangle the ownership of printers
when you use printerdrake (usually giving ownership to root). This
leads to unusable printers.
Could someone with functional printers tell me what ownership their
printers, filters, etc, have in /var/spool/lpd and /var/spool/lpd/lp*?
Should the printers and filters, etc, be daemon daemon? root lp? lp
lp?
praedor
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cherry)
Subject: How to mount a MAC CD on a Linux box?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:59:51 GMT
I have a MAC CD and I need to mount it on the CD drive so the MACs on
the appletalk can read it. I attempted to load it using the hfs system
but that failed. Any suggestions?
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From: stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: make modules_install is blowing up in 2.4.0-test8 kernel
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:04:15 -0400
I recieve the following error when trying to to do "make
modules_install" with the 2.4.0-test8 kernel.
==========================================================================
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.0-test8/arch/i386/lib'
cd /lib/modules/2.4.0-test8; \
mkdir -p pcmcia; \
find kernel -path '*/pcmcia/*' -name '*.o' | xargs -i -r ln -sf ../{}
pcmcia
if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.4.0-test8;
fi
/sbin/depmod: invalid option -- F
Usage: depmod [-e -s -v ] -a [FORCED_KERNEL_VER]
depmod [-e -s -v ] MODULE_1.o MODULE_2.o ...
Create module-dependency information for modprobe.
-a, --all visit all modules
-d, --debug run in debug mode
-e output unresolved symbols
-i ignore symbol versions
-m, --system-map <file> use the symbols in <file>
-s, --system-log use the system log for error reporting
--help display this help and exit
-v, --verbose run in verbose mode
-V, --version output version information and exit
make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1
===============================================================================
Do I need a newer version of depmod? Do I need to edit the makefile?
Any feedback would be great.
-Stuart
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From: lobotomy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OSS Instead of Esound
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:15:40 GMT
You will have to disable sound in Enlightenment and GNOME before you
can play anything back through the straight OSS driver. Both of those
use eSound, and it will hog /dev/dsp, so you won't be play sounds
through anything else unless it uses eSound. But if you disable it it
should work. If sound works at all, OSS is definately working, as
eSound doesn't use a separate driver, it is just an interface which
outputs to OSS like everything else.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:16:16 GMT, Brad Kinser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm running Enlightenment 0.16 with Helix Gnome on a stock Caldera
>OpenLinux 2.4 machine. I enabled ESound and it works okay with my SB
>Live card. I use XMMS and the ESound plug-in to play mp3 files, but the
>sound is less than impressive. I have four speakers and get sound out
>of all four with no way to control fading or balance (at least that I
>know of). I was recently told that the OSS output plug-in sounds much
>better (it was described as being closer to the output of WinAmp under
>Windows with the SB LiveWare drivers, which is fabulous). However, I
>don't know how to get sound without using ESound. When I try to play an
>mp3 with XMMS before enabling ESound, I get an error telling me to make
>sure I'm using the correct output plugin, the device is configured
>properly and that no other program is blocking it. The system sees the
>card properly, from what I can tell from looking at the bootup messages.
>
>I've looked at what sound how-to's I could find, checked Creative's site
>and http://how.to/sblive without finding anything useful. Can anyone
>point me to the right information or give me instructions on how to use
>the OSS driver?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brad
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:30:02 -0000
What is the advantage of Linux. I have windows 98 and i am looking for a
new program to run on( i think its called database). i heard linux is
very good for internet and that is what i primarily use my computer for.
Windows 98 seem to be more for games then it is for the internet. Do you
believe windows 2000 or linux would be better for me to run. Which linux
specifically do u think i should use. THank you for your time
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From: Francis Tseng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modem initialization problem
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:36:10 -0500
Hi, I have a Zoom external modem but have trouble initializing it upon
boot. After my system is ready, I run minicom and don't get the "OK"
prompt. If I type "AT" myself, I see nothing on the screen. The strange
thing is that if I switch the power of my external modem off and then on
again, I can get the modem to respond with "OK" when I type
"AT". Does anyone know why this is happening? Oh, the modem is turned on
during the boot process.
I've gone through the suggestions in the Modem-HOWTO. ie. I've checked
for IRQ conflicts. So far, everything in my system seems to be set up
correctly.
Any suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.
--
Francis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Newer versions of CDRECORD no longer work...
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:08:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, MH wrote:
>Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> For the _third_ time:
>>
>> DO YOU HAVE THE "sg" MODULE LOADED?
>
>Nope (at least I don't think so).
OK, now we're getting somewhere. What happens when you do (as root):
# /usr/sbin/modprobe sg
# /usr/sbin/lsmod
We're trying to help, but you're making it really difficult. Either do the
two commands above and post the results, or go away and stop whining.
>See reply above.
Dude, "above" is an utterly meaningless concept on Usenet. You've no way
to know in what order your articles show up. If you want to refer to
another Usenet article, either quote it or refer to it by message-ID.
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at DUCK EXHIBIT??
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD Writers and Macs - discuss
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:17:39 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Campbell Andrew),
In a message on Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:35:09 +0100, wrote :
JCA> I've got a couple of Macintosh computers networked through my SuSE 6.4
JCA> Linux box (x86). They use it as their mail/news server, Netatalk shared
JCA> drive, the usual stuff. I'm planning on adding a CD writer to the Linux
JCA> box to replace the CD drive (which is starting to fail). The question
JCA> is, can I burn Macintosh native CD's (ie bootable System disks) or is
JCA> this not possible at the moment?
There is a variation of mkisofs, called mkhybrid that will make hfs,
iso+apple, joliet, rockridge, and various *combinations*. Not sure if
you can make *bootable* CDs or not.
>From the README.mkhybrid file:
mkhybrid v1.12b6.0 - make ISO9660/HFS shared hybrid CD volume
HFS hybrid code Copyright (C) James Pearson 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000
libhfs code Copyright (C) 1996, 1997 Robert Leslie
libfile code Copyright (c) Ian F. Darwin 1986, 1987, 1989,
1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995
mkisofs code Copyright 1993 Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
*** NEWS ***
mkhybrid v1.12b6.0 is now based on mkisofs v1.12 that is part of the cdrecord
package. cdrecord v1.18 is required to compile mkhybrid.
In the near future, the mkhybrid code will be merged into the mkisofs code
and hence become part of the cdrecord/cdrtools package.
This is an interim release - the installation is a bit messy (I don't fully
understand the makefile system used by cdrecord ...)
and:
DESCRIPTION
mkhybrid is a pre-mastering utility that creates ISO9660/ROCKRIDGE/JOLIET/HFS
hybrid CDROM images. You will have to use some other CD-R package to write
the image to a CD.
JCA>
JCA> TIA
JCA>
JCA> Jim
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JCA> "We deal in the moral equivalent of black holes, where the
JCA> normal laws of right and wrong break down; beyond those
JCA> metaphysical event horizons there exist ... special circumstances"
JCA>
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:21:03 -0400
Yannick wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Sure...just put it in a shutdown script.
> > But...with unix..the utility of shutting down machines is nil.
>
> It is. It's called saving energy. Unless you have teams working 24h/24h
> 7 days a week.
Well, I run SETI@home 24/7, but perhaps I do not need to. I also let the
little daemons go off at night to do my backups when no one is likely to
be using the machine. Furthermore, I start long jobs (2 to 4 hour jobs)
just before I go to bed so they will be done in the morning.
Perhaps in the summer it wastes energy, whether I run an air conditioner
to keep the temperatures down or not. But the rest of the year, I use less
energy to heat the house than I would were I to burn fuel oil (at a far
lower effeciency than my electric power company does) to supply the same
number of BTUs. So, except in the summer, the energy cost is really zero
or negative (the energy into the computer is turned into heat with
essentially 100% efficiency).
Furthermore, cycling the machine off every night and on every morning
wears out the bearings in the fans and disk drives, the power surges wear
out other things. Some people I know turn their machines on, run them for
15 minutes, turn them off, then turn them on, run them ... . You get the
idea. To replace the failed parts harms the environment in many ways, from
the disk drives, fans, and power supplies going into land fills, the CFC's
and everything else that goes into the manufacture of semiconductors, disk
drives, and so on, the environmental damage from the mining and
transportation of all the components, ... .
--
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/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 9:06pm up 41 days, 4:32, 2 users, load average: 2.16, 2.14, 2.15
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Basic networking question.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:39:53 -0400
"Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Jean-David Beyer-valinux quoth:
>
> JB> "Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
> JB>
> JB> > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Rod Smith quoth:
> JB> >
> JB> > RS> [Posted and mailed]
> JB> > RS>
> JB> > RS> In article <8q1jle$h4e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> JB> > RS> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> JB> > RS> > Hello,
> JB> > RS> >
> JB> > RS> > Basic networking Q: what would be the simplest way to network two Linux
> JB> > RS> > computers? That is, among other things, be able to access each others'
> JB> > RS> > files. I know this is very general, but I really have no idea where to
> JB> > RS> > start; I want the simplest way. Also, what sort of cable would I use
> JB> > RS> > for this? I'm speaking of regular Intel-based PCs here.
> JB> > RS>
> JB> > RS> You'll need two network cards. Assuming you use 100Mbps Ethernet, you'll
> JB> > RS> need either a crossover cable or a hub and two regular cables. You'll
> JB> > RS> then need to configure assorted networking features on both systems.
> JB> > RS> Check the networking HOWTO documents that came with your system, or buy
> JB> > RS> an introductory book on Linux networking for details. (I've got some
> JB> > RS> book suggestions at http://www.rodsbooks.com/books/books-network.html.)
> JB> >
> JB> > Excellent advice, but just to add one thing, go with the hub.
> JB> > Inititally the crossover cable will do, but the time may come
> JB> > where you want to add a node to your network, and then you will
> JB> > need the hub. You will thank yourself for getting the hub later.
> JB> > (unless you ~NEVER~ plan on getting another machine)
> JB>
> JB> Why get a hub until you need one? To get practice choosing and ordering hubs?
> JB>
> JB> I have a long straight cable and a 12 inch crossover cable in series (why get
> JB> stuck with a lot of long crossover cables?). Only when I get a third device on
> JB> my LAN will I need a hub. So I will have wasted only the cost of a 1 foot long
> JB> crossover cable. Meanwhile, the cost of a hub can be used elsewhere, or
> JB> invested.
>
> Why waste money on an extra cable, when you are only going to have
> to get a hub later would be a better question. Did you read my post?
Sure did. But my crossover cable cost less than $5.00, where 100Megabit hubs are
considerably more than that, say $250. If you will not add the third machine for a
couple of years, you can invest the $250 or so you would have spent for a small one
at 8% for two years and make enough to buy 8 crossover cables.
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^^-^^ 9:24pm up 41 days, 4:50, 2 users, load average: 2.06, 2.07, 2.05
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD Writers and Macs - discuss
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:48:12 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Campbell Andrew),
In a message on Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:47:59 +0100, wrote :
JCA> Alisdair McDiarmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JCA>
JCA> > Yes, you can do it. I do one a week on my local net.
JCA> >
JCA> > Burning a CD is just the same as for an ISO, but you should note that
JCA> > to mount a Mac native CD you will need to use the `hfs' type (and
JCA> > therefore have support for it in your kernel). The mkhybrid utility
JCA> > is useful for creating HFS/ISO hybrid CDs too.
JCA>
JCA> Cool - but how would I get the data off the Mac? Sorry if this is a
JCA> naive question but I'm just trying to understand the logistics of it
JCA> all. The machines are networked and Netatalked. Could you give me a
JCA> quick example of creating a CD that contains, say, my current System
JCA> Folder + my current Jim folder? (Only if you have time, of course!)
You just set things up (files under /etc/atalk/ or /usr/local/etc/atalk
or some such place) to have a writable file system you can get to with
Chooser. Then you just drag things over. If you have things set up
right, netatalk will create .resource and .finderinfo directories as
needed. Use the --netatalk option to mkhybrid -- this casues it to
look for the files netatalk created to deal with (emulate) resource
forks and finderinfo. mkhybrid will re-create proper MacOS (hfs or
iso+apple, depending on other mkhybrid options) files. mkhybrid can
create bootable CDs for Linux/UNIX, MS-Windows, and MacOS.
JCA>
JCA> Thanks,
JCA>
JCA> Jim
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JCA> laws of right and wrong break down; beyond those metaphysical
JCA> event horizons there exist ... special circumstances"
JCA>
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