Linux-Misc Digest #902, Volume #25 Sat, 30 Sep 00 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Should I jump into Linux? (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: temperature readings ("Tom Brinkman")
add tape ("Lodo Nicolino")
*SIGH*No print preview in NS/Linux? (Andrew Purugganan)
Background job messages after logout/in? (Andrew)
Re: *SIGH*No print preview in NS/Linux? (Tobias Kastner)
Re: Background job messages after logout/in? (Neil W Rickert)
Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome? (Andrew)
Re: C++ on Mandrake! (Dances With Crows)
Re: How to install and dual boot 2 Linux distros ? (Dances With Crows)
Re: soyo and linux woes (Dances With Crows)
Re: Background job messages after logout/in? (Andreas K�h�ri)
Re: Background job messages after logout/in? (Wolfgang Fritz)
A Question ("Anthony Chippendale")
df reporting wrong available space (marvin greenberg)
Re: *SIGH*No print preview in NS/Linux? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: add tape (B'ichela)
autofw and portfw - What's the difference? (Tom Voltaggio)
Re: HELP: How to use FTP or should I turn to Windows (Sharon Wang)
Re: Should I jump into Linux? (David Rysdam)
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should I jump into Linux?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:44:23 -0500
Interesting!
How does Octave compare with MuPAD or Sci-Lab? Is it character based like
MuPAD or graphical?
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David Rysdam wrote:
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>And Andrew Spoke:
>>-I've read and watched all the excitement about Linux, and I'm wondering
>>what advantages installing Linux would offer to someone like me?
>
>Stability, power and flexibility. There is MUCH free
>scientific/mathematical software for Linux
>(http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM/sal1.shtml), including a Matlab workalike
>called "Octave" (http://www.che.wisc.edu/octave/).
>
>>-I'm a TA, and I have to use a Unix spreadsheet program called Xess. My
>>Microsoft spreadsheet program doesn't seem to be compatible. Is there a
>>Linux equivalent that is freely availble that would be compatible to Xess?
>
>Yes. Almost all "Unix" software runs on Linux with no problem. This
>is especially so in the last year or so as software vendors have put
>out Linux versions (often just repackaged with a new label). As for
>Xess: http://freshmeat.net/projects/xess/?highlight=xess
>
>>-Is most Linux software free?
>
>Yes, but that's not the question you really mean to ask, after all if
>Linux had no software it would all be free. What you mean to ask is
>"is there a free equivalent of (or actual version of) everything
>a normal Joe needs". The answer to this is "yes" as well.
>
>> More specifically, I have to write my
>>thesis using LaTex. Is there a Linux version of Tex that is free?
>
>Absolutely, I've used it myself. There's even a graphical editor call
>LyX (www.lyx.org--which I've also used). Both free (and Free).
>
>> The bottom line, is that I'm not a Windows hater or Windows lover.
>>I use my computer as a tool to get information and get my work done.
>>Would Linux be a good step for me to take?
>
>Ask yourself two questions:
>
>1) Am I getting my work done as well as I could?
>2) Am I willing to go through a certain amount of pain and frustration
> if I will end up better for it?
>
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From: "Tom Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: temperature readings
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:10:16 GMT
In article <PKBA5.966$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Steve Wolfe"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Current Mandrake kernels already have lm_sensors modules compiled
>> in.
>
> How reliably does it run? The few machines that I ran
> lm_sensors on
> crashed every few days, until I disabled the package, then they
> were rock-solid again. It is a nifty package, though.
>
> steve
With/without several frontends to lm_sensors, then using
Khealthcare without lm_sensors, and now using Khealthcare with
lm_sensors in Mandrakes 2.2.16 and 17 kernels... no problems.
p3-450 oc'd to 608mhz on a Soyo 6ba+III. I monitor temps
on the p3 (internal diode), BX chipset (thermistor), and Voodoo3
chipset (thermistor).
Your problem is more likely hardware and /or configuration.
First thing I'd check: IIRC, lm-sensors includes a small utility
called 'sensors-detect'. Use it to make sure you're using the
right i2c chip config. Next make sure you're using the proper
sensor config, ie, thermistor/transistor/or for Pentiums, diode.
--
~~Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
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From: "Lodo Nicolino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: add tape
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:22:49 GMT
Hi am Nico.
I support sco unix and i would like to start and introduce linux in my
company.
We sale and support hw and sw, so the first step should be install our
software on a linux box.
I need to install a tape drive but i can't find any HOWTO about that.
Anybody can help me.
tanks in advance
Nico
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: *SIGH*No print preview in NS/Linux?
Date: 30 Sep 2000 13:41:48 GMT
I havent upgraded to Netscape 4.7 anything. Which version of Netscape ,
or for that matter, which browser supports this? I'd like to know if a
'Print' will produce a dozen or just one page.
Unless one can suggest how to print page ranges only.
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Background job messages after logout/in?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:13:31 GMT
Anyone knowing how to see messages of a background job (started with &
or bg) after I logged out and logged in back?
Regards,
A.
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From: Tobias Kastner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *SIGH*No print preview in NS/Linux?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:28:59 +0200
Andrew Purugganan wrote:
> I havent upgraded to Netscape 4.7 anything. Which version of Netscape ,
> or for that matter, which browser supports this? I'd like to know if a
> 'Print' will produce a dozen or just one page.
>
> Unless one can suggest how to print page ranges only.
Hi Anrew!
I did not know any version of Netscape that have yet implemented a print
preview. But you can print the page you want to a file and use a
postscript viewer (for example: KGhostview) to "preview" that file. Then you
can also select the pages you want to print..
Hope it hels
Regards Tobias
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From: Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Background job messages after logout/in?
Date: 30 Sep 2000 09:27:19 -0500
Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Anyone knowing how to see messages of a background job (started with &
>or bg) after I logged out and logged in back?
If you want to be able to do this, then redirect the output of the
background job to a file (when you start that job).
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From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:15:24 GMT
SuSe is the best!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: C++ on Mandrake!
Date: 30 Sep 2000 14:32:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:51:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>When I try to compile c++code on a Mandrake 7 machine, it complains
>about "iostram.h" and other include files not found. RPM manager shows
>C++ installed. I even reinstalled it. I have Redhat 6 and it does not
>have that problem.
>any detailed instructions please?
Did you make sure to install the "devel" package associated with C++ ?
There should be a number of files on your Mandrake CD(s) with "devel" in
their names; install the one that's associated with C++. Also, make
sure that you're compiling your C++ code with "g++" and not "gcc" since
calling gcc as g++ tells the compiler to search for includes and libs in
the C++ specific parts of the directory tree. Also, make sure that you
actually put "iostream.h" in and not "iostram.h" as compilers are
horrendously picky about spelling.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
=============================/ ==Henry Spencer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How to install and dual boot 2 Linux distros ?
Date: 30 Sep 2000 14:32:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 29 Sep 2000 19:48:36 GMT, John Robson wrote:
>1. /boot, 30 mb, Linux, non-dos, boot partition, set active
>2. 2 gb primary dos, fat32, for Windows 2000 install
>3. 17 gb, extended : 10 gb for Win2k apps, 7 gb for Linux / and /swap
>
>How do I install two different Linux distributions (e.g. Mandrake and Suse)
>and add the two to Lilo menu ? (Note: I don't put lilo on mbr but on a
>/boot partition).
>Should I create two Linux roots, /root1 and /root2, and use the same /swap ?
>Then, I would have to tell each distro to install to /root1 and root2
>respectively, then install its lilo on the same /boot, and finally after
>the second distro is installed, I would have to manually edit lilo.conf
>to point each distro to the right root ?
That's exactly how I did it. You may wish to go even further, having
each distro have a separate / but having both distros sharing /home.
(Saves a bit of space.)
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Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
=============================/ ==Henry Spencer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: soyo and linux woes
Date: 30 Sep 2000 14:32:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:10:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I also run the SOYO EHM mother board. I am having problems with
>X coming up. I have a ATI ALL IN WONDER 128 card, but it just does not
>work with X. I dont know why. I have K6-2 400 Mhz cpu.
Which version of X are you running? The latest version (3.3.6) is
necessary, and you may have to get the special Rage128 X-server if the X
configuration program doesn't detect the card correctly. SuSE has a
Rage128 X-server available for download at their site; check there.
Xfree86 3.3.6 shipped with all distros that were released after about
May/June of 2000, including Mandrake 7.0, RedHat 6.2, SuSE 6.4, and
later versions of those distros. Further information about getting X to
work with the Rage128 is under http://xfree86.org/3.3.6/r128/ IIRC...
leave off the "r128" if you get a 404.
>I know that the SOYO EHM mother board has VIA chipset and we have to
>install the VIA AGP drivers for the good performance on Windows. But
>these drivers are officially available thru VIA/SOYO.
*pfft* to the official drivers. Linux supports the VIA IDE chipset's
(U)DMA capabilities as well, but you'll have to recompile your kernel.
Do that, enable "Prompt for experimental drivers" and enable VIA82C586
support under Block Devices. Install new kernel, run lilo, reboot.
There's a guide to doing this at
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html .
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Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
=============================/ ==Henry Spencer
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Subject: Re: Background job messages after logout/in?
From: Andreas K�h�ri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 30 Sep 2000 16:41:16 +0100
In article <8r4t87$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>Anyone knowing how to see messages of a background job (started with &
>>or bg) after I logged out and logged in back?
>
>If you want to be able to do this, then redirect the output of the
>background job to a file (when you start that job).
>
...or use 'screen' to detach the job and then attach it again when you
feel like checking it.
<URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/>
/A
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Andreas K�h�ri,
Uppsala University, Sweden.
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From: Wolfgang Fritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Background job messages after logout/in?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:40:34 +0200
Andrew wrote:
>
> Anyone knowing how to see messages of a background job (started with &
> or bg) after I logged out and logged in back?
>
Start the job with
nohup job &
The output will be logged in the file nohup.out.
see man nohup
> Regards,
> A.
> --
> ___________________________________
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From: "Anthony Chippendale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.net
Subject: A Question
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:58:41 +0100
A Question:
Does Linux work with WinGate4 internet connection sharing program??? If yes,
then what/how do I need to configure my Linux machine (Mandrake7.1) to use
the WinGate connection cause I cant get it to work. Any help will be much
appreciated.
Anthony,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: marvin greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: df reporting wrong available space
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:35:06 -0400
I copied my root partition to a higher partition so I could put my swap partition
nearer the beginning of the disk.
I used: cd /; cp -xpR * /tmp/mnt where I had mounted a new partition
/dev/hda6, 144mb
Everything looked fine until I rebooted with a new fstab -- Now 'df' is reporting the
new fs size as 77mb (like the original one).
df /
Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda6 77772 61250 12506 83% /
Supporting info:
fsck -n /dev/hda2 OLD no longer mounted root
/dev/hda2: clean, 8368/20160 files, 63803/80325 blocks
fsck -n /dev/hda6 New mounted root
RootFS: clean, 8373/36144 files, 91981/144553 blocks
mount
/dev/hda6 on / type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hda3 on /home type ext2 (rw,nosuid)
/dev/hda7 on /usr type ext2 (rw)
tune2fs -l reports a block size of 1K for both hda2 and hda6
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *SIGH*No print preview in NS/Linux?
Date: 30 Sep 2000 07:30:30 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan) wrote:
>I havent upgraded to Netscape 4.7 anything. Which version of Netscape ,
>or for that matter, which browser supports this? I'd like to know if a
>'Print' will produce a dozen or just one page.
>
>Unless one can suggest how to print page ranges only.
I'm using Netscape Navigator 4.6. I would assume little
difference in previous or following versions in this respect.
The "PRINT" function provides a dialog box which allows
selection of printing to a printer or to a file, and then
selection of the print command line or the name of the file to
print to depending on which option is appropriate. It allows
printing pages in a forward or reverse sequence. It allows a
choice of Portrait or Landscape, Greyscale or Color, and choice
of Letter, Legal, Executive or A4 paper size.
The ability to provide your own print command line enables full
use of the print spooler facilities, which of course includes
selection of printers, preprocessing, printing multiple copies
and other odd but perhaps less useful options. However, there is
not normally an option to select specific pages for printing
(though I see no reason that could not be arranged for with
relative ease using preprocessing).
But, if you want to print a range of pages I would suggest
sending the document to a file and then accessing the file with
ghostview. From ghostview you can select individual pages for
printing and it allows you to preview exactly what a PostScript
"page" is going to look like, which you cannot do with an HTML
"page".
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: add tape
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:52:30 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:22:49 GMT, Lodo Nicolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi am Nico.
>I support sco unix and i would like to start and introduce linux in my
>company.
>We sale and support hw and sw, so the first step should be install our
>software on a linux box.
>I need to install a tape drive but i can't find any HOWTO about that.
>Anybody can help me.
>tanks in advance
>Nico
What type of interface are you interested in? Scsi, IDE or
floppy? If floppy you need the ftape software. if Scsi you need a
scsi card and to recompile the kernal with Scsi tape support. (don't
forget to select the driver for your card as well!. All Scsi drives
use names of /dev/st[0-n] where zero is the first drive and you can
have up to 15 scsi tape drives if you forgoe anything else on that
scsi card. I will talk about /dev/st0 since most people only have one
anyway. If your card is not a wide card. Scsi Ids 0-6 could be used
for 7 Scsi tape units.
/dev/st0 rewinds the tape when you are done reading/writing
/dev/nst0 does NOT. this allows one to add more than one volume to a
tape.
these numbers do not nessarly refer to Scsi IDs On my system Scsi ID 6
is my /dev/st0 System assigns /dev/st0 to the First found scsi tape
drive.
--
B'ichela
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From: Tom Voltaggio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linus,setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: autofw and portfw - What's the difference?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:13:16 GMT
I'm using ip masquerade and am confused with
some how-to's using autofw and others using
portfw. What's the difference?
I'm using redhat 6.1 and kernel 2.2.12-20
I'm using port (auto?) forwarding to use CuSeeMe
behind a firewall.
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From: Sharon Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP: How to use FTP or should I turn to Windows
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:48:40 -0400
Adding file /etc/pam.d/ftp solves the login incorrect problem.
This does not seem to be well documented.
Thank you all.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rysdam)
Subject: Re: Should I jump into Linux?
Date: 30 Sep 2000 16:00:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've never used MuPAD or Sci-Lab, but Octave is character based. That
is, the "native" interface is character based--but I believe you can
also pipe the output to gnuplot to do graphs and so on. I haven't
used it much myself.
And Jerry L Kreps Spoke:
>Interesting!
>How does Octave compare with MuPAD or Sci-Lab? Is it character based like
>MuPAD or graphical?
>
>On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David Rysdam wrote:
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>>And Andrew Spoke:
>>>-I've read and watched all the excitement about Linux, and I'm wondering
>>>what advantages installing Linux would offer to someone like me?
>>
>>Stability, power and flexibility. There is MUCH free
>>scientific/mathematical software for Linux
>>(http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM/sal1.shtml), including a Matlab workalike
>>called "Octave" (http://www.che.wisc.edu/octave/).
>>
>>>-I'm a TA, and I have to use a Unix spreadsheet program called Xess. My
>>>Microsoft spreadsheet program doesn't seem to be compatible. Is there a
>>>Linux equivalent that is freely availble that would be compatible to Xess?
>>
>>Yes. Almost all "Unix" software runs on Linux with no problem. This
>>is especially so in the last year or so as software vendors have put
>>out Linux versions (often just repackaged with a new label). As for
>>Xess: http://freshmeat.net/projects/xess/?highlight=xess
>>
>>>-Is most Linux software free?
>>
>>Yes, but that's not the question you really mean to ask, after all if
>>Linux had no software it would all be free. What you mean to ask is
>>"is there a free equivalent of (or actual version of) everything
>>a normal Joe needs". The answer to this is "yes" as well.
>>
>>> More specifically, I have to write my
>>>thesis using LaTex. Is there a Linux version of Tex that is free?
>>
>>Absolutely, I've used it myself. There's even a graphical editor call
>>LyX (www.lyx.org--which I've also used). Both free (and Free).
>>
>>> The bottom line, is that I'm not a Windows hater or Windows lover.
>>>I use my computer as a tool to get information and get my work done.
>>>Would Linux be a good step for me to take?
>>
>>Ask yourself two questions:
>>
>>1) Am I getting my work done as well as I could?
>>2) Am I willing to go through a certain amount of pain and frustration
>> if I will end up better for it?
>>
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