Linux-Misc Digest #922, Volume #25 Mon, 2 Oct 00 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Implications ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linksys router,@home, need help!! ("peter s")
Linux Stole My Modem (N/A)
Re: help: external modem on redhat 6.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Web services and firewall in same box? (Vilmos Soti)
Re: Implications ("D F")
Re: kernel recompile needed, but Mandrake has modified the source... (-ljl-)
Re: help: external modem on redhat 6.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: WTF is up with LinuxConf under RH7?!!??! (Chris Leahy)
makefile ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: R: add tape (-ljl-)
Re: makefile (Andreas K�h�ri)
Re: Web services and firewall in same box? (Scott Alfter)
Re: PPPD - PAP FAILS (Bill Unruh)
Re: PPPD - PAP FAILS (Steve)
Re: Implications (Kaz Kylheku)
Re: Running NT4/2000 on linux (The Darkener)
Re: R: add tape (Tony Lawrence)
Not allow mount file system (Beggar)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.software.config-mgmt
Subject: Re: Implications
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:58:41 GMT
In article <8r8n5e$21d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : In article <8qioop$rqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> : "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> In comp.os.linux.misc Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> : On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:45:25 GMT, paul snow
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> :>Here is the equation:
> :> :> X --> P --> E
> :> It's not an equation. There is no equals sign.
>
> : Equality is only one of a infinite number of concepts that can be
> : expressed using equations.
Notation is flexible, allowing equations of the sort:
H2 + O2 --> H2O
Ref: http://library.thinkquest.org/3659/chmreact/equation.html
Given that the context was Transcription, I used chemical notation. I
am sorry if that causes some confusion.
What I said was:
X --> P --> E
The equality in this instance refers to the fact that production of the
product H2O is accounted for completely by the reactants H2 and O2. In
the expression I gave, I am stating that the initial program store (or
hard drive) of a computer system can be defined by a set X of
installation disks, CDs, files.
Once constructed, the Progam store defines completely the initial
execution environment E of a computer system. This amounts to the
observation that the execution environment E is loaded from the program
store P.
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From: "peter s" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linksys router,@home, need help!!
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:21:03 GMT
Hi folks, i have just finished an install of Mandrake7.0, this is my first
time using Linux, so there are many things to learn.I would like to sit down
and read and try as i go along, i learned windows this way and hopefully i
can do the same with Mandrake, but before i start I wish to accomplish one
thing.....
Getting my internet set up. I have a cable modem, running through a
Linksys cable router/firewall. The pc is dual booted with win98, the win98
config is on a network with a laptop and a couple more pc downstairs in my
roomates rooms. These are all validated with another pc running NT server.
this is a relatively simle setup to share my cable modem wiht the others
and to play a few LAN games etc, nothing too serious.) The Linksys router
acts also as a DHCP server and dishes out all the IP info, in windows i
simply name my pc's, point the default gateway to the router,the subnet mask
is my @home subnet on all the machines, the DNS entry has one for the router
and two more which match my ISP's. This was not too hard to set up, the
Router pretty much takes care of all the IP stuff and after configuring some
accounts and shares on the NT box everything worked really well, Ok, but
lets get to Linux, I am not sure what's going to happen here, i dont know if
i can set up the linux box to be seen in the network neigbourhood or not, i
dont even know if this is at all possible, to be honest i dont really care
but it would be nice. What i really want is a connection to the internet,
and email and i will be content. My adaptor was found during the install and
is eth1 in the config window, i use Drakconf to set up networking, is this
ok? a better way maybe? anyhow, in the Basic Host Info box, there are four
check boxes,
1 enabled- if i check this what exactly am i enabling? the three boxes
below(manual, dhcp,bootp)?
2 manual- i am guessing this means i set all the info up "manually"?
3 Dhcp- see, i want to click this because i am guessing this tells linux to
obtain this info from the dhcp server (my router)
4 bootp- what the hell is that?
also, the nt domain i have here is called DOMAIN1, so lets call my new linux
box LINUX1, now my computer should be called LINUX1.DOMAIN1 should it not?
and will this come up in the terminal then instead of peter@localhost or
something like that?
Basiclly though i am not too worried at the mo about getting my server to
see the Linux box but i do NEED this internet connection!!
anyhow, i wil keep trying with this but so far i am getting nowhere fast, i
cant ping anything except loop back, now i am assuming the Nic card is
working but have no idea how i would check that? I suspect it is not because
a loopback ping bypasses the Nic card as far as i know so that dosent really
help in this case, and, if the card was working (correct drivers etc) then
i should at least be able to ping the router? I am not an expert in
networking by any strectch but i was able to figure it out in windows and
would love to get it working in Linux so i can have a fully functional Linux
pc (Internet and Email,plus all the great linux apps)
so, thanks for reading through all of this and thanks in advance for any
help you may be able to give me...
if this helps: P2 400
256 ram
ati video 8mg
NDC 10/100 fast ethernet
30 gb quantum ide, lots of partitions!
Peter
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Stole My Modem
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:30:02 -0000
hello, everysince the installation of Mandrake Linux 7.0 my modem has
disfunctioned. now when i go into windows to connect to the internet my
connection shortly dies. then disconnects me. i think it has something to
do with linux because that is when it started. how can i fix this from
within windows, is there anything i can do, etc? thank you.
i have tried:
-winsock reinstallments
-new phone line
-new phone line socket
-reinstalling the internet
-configuring computer settings
-working from within linux
-etc
what can be done?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help: external modem on redhat 6.1
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:31:00 GMT
It's a good question. I did test on ttyS0 also. I had gotten kermit
to dial out using the modem so I know it's on ttyS1, but as a
precaution I did test it on ttyS0.
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Subject: Re: Web services and firewall in same box?
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:42:28 GMT
Patrick M Geahan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> This is for home use (ADSL) so I'm not looking for Pentagon security,
>> but is it completely insane to use a Linux box both for firewalling AND
>> web services like http, ftp and mail server?
>
> If you need http and ftp to be visible to the outside world, you might as
> well. The argument can be made that securing one box would be easier then
> securing two(firewall and web server, for instance).
But the problem is if there is a hole in the www/ftp server, then
not only the www/ftp server gets rooted, but also the firewall
is taken over.
For this reason, I would recommend either separate machines, or put such
a server which has the utmost reliability.
Vilmos
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From: "D F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.software.config-mgmt
Subject: Re: Implications
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:45:21 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<8ra7qu$ljc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>Notation is flexible, allowing equations of the sort:
>
> H2 + O2 --> H2O
> Ref:
http://library.thinkquest.org/3659/chmreact/equation.html
>
Well, that should really be:
2 H2 + O2 ==> 2 H20
No?
Dave Fluri North Bay, Ontario Canada
The opinions herein are mine. I do not speak for my employer
unless I expressly indicate otherwise.
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel recompile needed, but Mandrake has modified the source...
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:36:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Thompson wrote:
> >
> > "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruce LaZerte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > : On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:42:52, -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > : I've been told that the current Mandrake version 7.1 kernel
(2.2.15) is
> > > : patched for UDMA66, supermount and up to 170 other
features/fixes, many of
> > > : which I don't need/use but some of which I certainly do.
> > >
> > > Hmm ... what makes you think mandrake is a better judge of what
should
> > > go in the kernel than the kernel maintainers (or yourself, for
that
> > > matter!). Their motives are marketing. Not stability, not fact,
not
> > > speed, not anything except featurism. Look up "feature
interaction" in
> > > a comp sci dict. And then try and see if any of the bugs tehy
> > > introduced have been reported, acknowledged, or fixed!
> > >
> > > If you like some of their patches, take them and keep them.
> > >
> > > : If these features are not now in the linux standard patches
(16,17,18pre)
> > > : then there's a chance that parts of my installation will not
have the
> > >
> > > Really? Well, it would take you all of about twenty minutes to
find out,
> > > instead of wondering about the possibility! Compile your own,
install,
> > > reboot. End of nervous palpitations.
> > >
> > > : Guess I'll just have to give it a try...
> > >
> > > Yep. Go ahead.
> > >
> > > Peter
> >
> > Under Mandrake 7.1, one only has to install the kernel-linus rpm
file
> > to
> > get a kernel without Mandrake's patches. Easier than re-compiling
the
> > kernel.
> >
> > Bill
>
> kernel-linus is a compiled kernel. What he needs is the virgin kernel
> source, then
> apply the patches that he wants. It would be nice if Mandrake supplied
> a list of
> patches to be applied to the original kernel, this way a user could
> pick and
> choose the ones that are needed.
You mean they don't. Have you look at their kernel source rpm's
SPEC file; there are provisions to list patches and their origins
here.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help: external modem on redhat 6.1
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:35:36 GMT
When I press a key a message in the lower left hand side of the screen
tells me online for a second or two then switches to offline. None of
my key strokes get printed to the screen. I am logged on as root.
There are no error messages.
I get the impression it tries to pass the commands to the modem to run
the commands but cannot change its state to online because of my
configuration problems and therefore does not attempt to run the
command.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What happens when you start minicom? Can you type to the
> screen? If you type AT does it answer OK ? Are you doing this as
root?
> Are there any error messages?
>
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From: Chris Leahy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: WTF is up with LinuxConf under RH7?!!??!
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:51:01 -0700
Someone that calls himself "Arch" anything shouldnt need GUI tools :-)
Gimme a break with the credentials. As I'm sure that someone with all those
credentials
would never just upgrade a production system to an *.0 distribution without
fully
testing it first whats the big deal? Keep using 6.2 and wait for 7.1 or
7.2.
Incidentally, the C compiler is also broken, I hope you werent planning to
build a custom kernel.
The Archimage wrote:
> I lost DNS configuration, Apache configuration, Samba (although,
> granted, I use SWAT), and service management (although that seems to be
> covered now by ntsysv and xinetd).
>
> Why?!?! What the heck happened?!? The DNS config tool was actually
> really ggod under 6.2! Going back to editing by hand sucks!
>
> What's up with THAT?!?!
>
> The Linux Archimage
> Austin, Texas
>
> Red Hat Certified Engineer
> TurboLinux Certified Trainer
> Certified NetWare Engineer
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: makefile
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:48:26 GMT
Hi,
If i have a typical gtk program and its Makefile in the /tmp/examples
directory, how do i run the Makefile?. By typing "make" or "./make" in
the same directory?. Or by typing "make arrow.c" in the same
directory....?.
jm
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: R: add tape
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:45:07 GMT
In article <4y%B5.60496$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Lodo Nicolino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> > > I support sco unix and i would like to start and introduce linux
in my
> > > company.
> > > We sale and support hw and sw, so the first step should be install
our
> > > software on a linux box.
> > > I need to install a tape drive but i can't find any HOWTO about
that.
> > > Anybody can help me.
> >
> > See http://pcunix.com/Linux/scolindiff.html
> >
> > You need to be more specific about the tape drive- SCSI or IDE.
> > BTW, the same software you are probably used to in SCO like
> > Microlite Edge, Lonetar, Ctar also have Linux versions..
...
> Thanks for the tips.
> the tape a would like to install is an old wantek qic02.
> Can i use that ?
> nico
Don't hold your breath. I had one of these and never got it to
work; but it may have been a hardware problem. I know somebody
else that did get theirs to work; but abandoned it because of too
many read/write errors. Linux does have a driver see:
/usr/src/linux/drivers/char/tpqic02.c
Good luck.
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Subject: Re: makefile
From: Andreas K�h�ri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2 Oct 2000 18:11:57 +0100
In article <8raao7$o8u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>If i have a typical gtk program and its Makefile in the /tmp/examples
>directory, how do i run the Makefile?. By typing "make" or "./make" in
>the same directory?. Or by typing "make arrow.c" in the same
>directory....?.
>
>jm
If it's a propely packaged program, there should be a file called
'README', 'INSTALL' or 'BUILD' or something equivalent. Read that file
and it will hopefully tell you what to do to build the program.
If not, then take a look at the Makefile. There might be comments in
the file that tells you how to use it.
If not, then try making the program by simply typing 'make'. If that
fails, then contact the author.
Please note that some packages may require you to run a script called
'configure' before running 'make'. These 'configure' scripts are often
found in GNU packages and are used for creating a custom made Makefile
for your particular system setup. This should all be described in the
'INSTALL' document.
/A
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Uppsala University, Sweden.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Web services and firewall in same box?
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:14:49 -0000
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In article <8ra2di$hqe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Henrik Sjostrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is for home use (ADSL) so I'm not looking for Pentagon security,
>but is it completely insane to use a Linux box both for firewalling AND
>web services like http, ftp and mail server?
>I'm thinking of binding the services only to the private/inner network
>adapter and only opening up the necessary ports to the outside/public
>network adapter via the firewall software? In addition to the web
>services that are accessible from the outside/Internet, I also need
>telnet, Samba and X to be accessible from my private network.
I ran that way for a while and was never hacked, but as cheap as old 486s
are (doesn't everybody have one gathering dust in a closet, anyway?),
there's not much reason (other than space limitations) to not set up a
machine to serve only as a firewall and/or router for your other machines.
Mine's on an old 5x86-120 with 16 megs of RAM and 120 megs of disk, with a
homebrew Linux setup (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org), a pair of PCI NICs
(cheap RTL8139-based cards that set me back $12 each), and a
Hercules-compatible TTL mono-graphics card. It forwards only selected ports
(such as HTTP and SMTP) to the server and blocks everything else; you can't
even log into it directly from the Internet because rlogin and telnet are
disabled and SSH is forwarded to another machine.
I don't know that I'd call it "Pentagon security," but it is reasonably
secure and cost less than $50 (case, NICs, and display card...I already had
the other parts on hand) to get up and running. That's less than you'll pay
for one of those home-network firewall widgets they sell in stores, and it's
more flexible. It's better than exposing your server (which probably runs a
known distribution) to every "31337 skr1pt k1dd13 h4xx0r" on the 'net.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: PPPD - PAP FAILS
Date: 2 Oct 2000 16:16:18 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Peter Woodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
]Started using Linux via the GUI interface supplied by Corel. After some
]effort got the dial-up function working.
]Now I have to use diald & pppd. diald works and pppd starts but fails to
]authenticate using PAP. I have put the userid & password in pap-secrets
]and enabled (+pap) PAP in the options file of pppd (as well as telling diald
]to let pppd do the authenticate for it with no luck.
Do NOT put +pap. That orders ppp to demand, on pain of disconnection,
tht the far side authenticate itself to you via pap. All you need is a
valid pap-secrets file and to use the
user username
option to tell pppd which line in pap-secrets it should use. Get rid of
+pap.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: Re: PPPD - PAP FAILS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2 Oct 2000 17:18:14 +0100
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:27:31 -0400, Peter Woodall wrote:
>Started using Linux via the GUI interface supplied by Corel. After some
>effort got the dial-up function working.
>
>Now I have to use diald & pppd. diald works and pppd starts but fails to
>authenticate using PAP. I have put the userid & password in pap-secrets
>and enabled (+pap) PAP in the options file of pppd (as well as telling diald
>to let pppd do the authenticate for it with no luck.
>
>Does anyone know where kppp (the gui dial-up) keeps it scripts for dial-up?
Find the pppd executable, probably /urs/sbin/pppd and su it,
usr/sbin] $ chmod u+s pppd
You'll have to do this as root.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.software.config-mgmt
Subject: Re: Implications
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:28:03 GMT
On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:58:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <8r8n5e$21d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> : In article <8qioop$rqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> : "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> :> In comp.os.linux.misc Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> :> : On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:45:25 GMT, paul snow
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> :> :>Here is the equation:
>> :> :> X --> P --> E
>> :> It's not an equation. There is no equals sign.
>>
>> : Equality is only one of a infinite number of concepts that can be
>> : expressed using equations.
>
>Notation is flexible, allowing equations of the sort:
>
> H2 + O2 --> H2O
> Ref: http://library.thinkquest.org/3659/chmreact/equation.html
A chemical equation equates two sides. It has to balance. Your example above
is invalid because there are two oxygen atoms on the left but only one on the
right. You want:
2H2 + O2 <--> 2H2O
Also note that you can write a double arrow into most reactions, because
they go both ways (it's just a question of where the equilibrium position
lies).
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:25:55 -0700
From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Running NT4/2000 on linux
Completely viable question.
Running NT *while* linux is running? VMWare. Search freshmeat/google for a
website explaining it.
Running NT on a different partition as Linux (Dual-boot)? Partition
Magic/fdisk, lilo/NTLDR.
Rich Edwards wrote:
> All,
> Before I get any messages back saying 'Why do you want to do that?' and
> 'Just ditch your Microsoft products' - they are not an option.
> Question:
> Can I run an NT OS on a linux based machine, if so how?
>
> --
> Remove the 'NOSPAM' from my email address to reply
- The Darkener
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: R: add tape
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:36:16 -0400
Lodo Nicolino wrote:
> Thanks for the tips.
> the tape a would like to install is an old wantek qic02.
> Can i use that ?
Yes, I've used the Wangteks. Some of them are just plain SCSI,
of course so there's nothing special about those. For the older
paddle board types, there is a driver- the last time I used it I
had to modify it to specifically tell it the io address etc.- it
would not find it on a probe- but other than that it worked
fine. That was on a 5.x Red Hat- a while back, but I doubt the
driver has changed any :-)
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From: Beggar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Not allow mount file system
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:52:36 +0800
Hi all,
is there any way to not allow the linux partition cannot mount
by other OS (include linux) except the machine install on it.
I want to protect my files not being steal by others even he can
physically access the hardware. Any idea?
I have heard about "kerneli.org" , but it seems not applicable for
me.
Dicky
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