Linux-Misc Digest #947, Volume #25 Thu, 5 Oct 00 02:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Your RedHat 7.0 impressions? (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: Microsoft owns a piece of Corel (Thomas Armagost)
Re: tar but no dump - help? (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Re: Question: Max number of uses that can be created on linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: disk quota per directory (Bob Hauck)
HELP: can't umount filesystem on shutdown! (Ben Logan)
Re: Get rid of localhost? (mpulliam)
Missing err msgs in errno.h (marvin greenberg)
Re: message utility in X windows (David M. Cook)
Re: Printing man pages (James Silverton)
Re: Changing the Settings on a Card (Dances With Crows)
Re: Missing err msgs in errno.h (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Linux as server: recommendations system & Linux ("Les Mikesell")
Mouse stops clicking in X ("J.Smith")
Re: "w" and "who" do not list the same users logged in
Re: Your RedHat 7.0 impressions? (David_C)
Re: Your RedHat 7.0 impressions? (David_C)
1) shared drives 2)WINE 3)SBLive support (Jay Ho)
Re: Mouse stops clicking in X (Jay Ho)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Your RedHat 7.0 impressions?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:10:21 -0500
Have you checked the hardware compatability database to see if the S3Verge
video card is supported by the X driver you are using?
On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, Robert Clayton wrote:
>Hi there Jeff,
>
>Yes this machine has had many linux installs on it, it is sort of a linux test
>box for me. Perhaps repeatedly wiping the drive clean contributes to these
>problems.
>
>FWIW the second install was succesful, in text mode. I still have not gotten X
>running.
>
>regards,
>robert
>
>
>Jeff Susanj wrote:
>
>> Has the machine you are using ever had Linux on it before? From reading the
>> newsgroups I gather that Linux requires more of the hardware than windows.
>> Whereas windows would tolerate flakey memory or processor etc. (until it
>> died for no discernable reason), Linux requires the hardware to be working
>> from the get-go.
>>
>> Jeff S.
>>
>> Robert Clayton wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >I had no intentions whatsoever of trashing RedHat, but...
>> >
>> >Two problems I encountered with 7.0:
>> >
>> >1. Graphical installation failed, couldn't configure my card (S3Virge,
>> >shouldn't be that hard, but done enought text installs where this is not a
>> >problem)
>> >
>> >2. Package installation failed on signal 11, system hung irretrievably
>> (even
>> >from pseudo-bash prompt install provides). Not totally sure yet what that
>> >means, perhaps someone else knows?
>> >
>> >I am trying to install again (clean). We'll see what happens.
>> >
>> >RCC
>> >
>> >
>> >David Perry wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey all! Anyone done anything with RH7.0 yet? Got a few questions for
>> you,
>> >> but they can all be summed up in the question "Is it worth it to
>> upgrade?"
>> >>
>> >> RedHat doesn't say on their webpage what kernel version RH7 uses. Anyone
>> >> know?
>> >>
>> >> One of their big "selling points" is a "cleaner, faster, more
>> customizable
>> >> GNOME desktop and Sawfish window manager". Are there new versions of
>> Gnome
>> >> and Sawfish that I'm not aware of, or are they aiming their sales pitch
>> at
>> >> non-experienced Linux users?
>> >>
>> >> I've heard nasty rumours that RH6.2 had a bug in the installer. Has
>> anyone
>> >> had similar trouble installing/upgrading to RH7?
>> >>
>> >> Any idea what the "power tools" disk is available from mirrors?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance for your opinions!
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >> (for personal replies use d DOT perry at...)
>> >
>> >--
>> >/************************************************
>> >** Robert Clayton
>> >** Systems Administrator
>> >** ACTiX USA
>> >** Visit us on the web
>> >************************************************/
>> >
>> >
>
>--
>/************************************************
>** Robert Clayton
>** Systems Administrator
>** ACTiX USA
>** Visit us on the web
>************************************************/
------------------------------
From: Thomas Armagost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,misc.writing,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Microsoft owns a piece of Corel
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:45:17 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Register <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13728.html> sez:
> "both companies have agreed to settle certain legal issues between
> Corel and Microsoft".
Remember the live video feed of Bill Gates on a giant TV screen
behind Steve Jobs at the MacWorld convention a few years ago?
Consternation in the audience, then booing. Billy had bought a big
nonvoting chunk of Apple stock. Certain legal issues were settled.
Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
> Microsoft can sell the shares to anybody - and they would then be
> convertible to voting shares.
[...]
> Microsoft would only have to sell its shares to destabilise Corel
This brings to mind certain nasty rumors about the cause of Apple's
recent crash. But, really, Microsoft wouldn't dare pull such a stunt.
The U.S. Department of Justice is riding their posterior.
--
new weblog 10/01/00 <http://www.pe.net/~sputnik/blog.html>
"Don't forget to register to vote" - Frank Zappa
------------------------------
From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.redhat.misc,linux.scsi
Subject: Re: tar but no dump - help?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 01:41:31 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware ekkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi all,
^^^
No kidding. Followups trimmed -- pick a group, please.
> I'm having a problem backing up a file system to tape using "dump". I can
> tar to the device (read and write) so I know there's nothing wrong
> with the hardware or drivers... can anyone help point me ine right
> direction?
First, make sure you get the latest version from dump.sourceforge.net.
dump/restore has been undergoing rapid development and bug-fixing of late.
> root@beowulf:/root # dump -0u -f /dev/st0 /home/ftp/mp3z
dump has no idea how big your tape is. The newer version has a '-a' flag
which tells it to write until it hits EOT.
> p.s. please e-mail so I don't have to keep coming back to the newsgroup,
Posted here for the benfit of all.
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Question: Max number of uses that can be created on linux
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 01:43:44 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 02:45:10 -0400, Bing H Bang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I'm trying to setup a email service on the internet. My hope is to
>attract more then 64K customers... I guess the simplest solutuion is to
>put the individual computer's name in the email address, like:
You could do that. Or you could use a mail server that doesn't
necessarily require each mailbox to have an account on the system.
Cyrus comes to mind.
<http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/>
Out of the box, this wants to use kerberos or /etc/passwd. However, if
you go to freshmeat.net and search for "cyrus imap" you will find some
stuff there, like for instance a thing to authenticate against MySQL or
Postgress.
There are other mail servers that do not require mailboxes to have an
account on the system. I would think that would be the way to go if
you are running a large mail server.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: disk quota per directory
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 01:43:43 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:28:24 -0500, Ted George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>does anyone know of a quota system for linux which enforces disk quotas
>only on a per directory basis without regard to userid?
Put the directory in it's own filesystem. Set a group quota. Put all
the users in the group.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Logan)
Subject: HELP: can't umount filesystem on shutdown!
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:10:02 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I really need some help here...my system won't shut down properly any more.
I have two drives in my RedHat 6.2 box. One of them had linux on it and the
other windoze. I was running out of space in linux, so I wiped windows off
the other disk (/dev/hda1). Then I created an ext2 filesystem on it and
mounted it in /usr/hda1.
Then I moved /usr/lib to /usr/hda1/lib and made a symlink so that the
libraries could still be found in /usr/lib.
Everything went fine, until I tried to shut my system down. Then I got the
following error messages (the first message isn't an error, I included it
for context):
Turning off quotas [ok]
Unmounting file systems umount2: Device or resource busy
umount: /usr/hda1: device is busy
umount2: Device or resource busy
umount: /usr: device is busy
No process references; use -v for the complete list
No automatic removal. Please use umount /usr/hda1
INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel
I have another system with which I did the same thing, except that I mounted
the new partition (/dev/hdc1 in this case instead of /dev/hda1) directly as
/usr/lib--no symlinks that way. It has the same problem now when I try to
shut it down.
Here's my /etc/fstab file:
/dev/hdb7 / ext2 defaults 1 1
/dev/hdb1 /boot ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb6 /home ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0
/dev/hdb5 /usr ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,user 0 0
/dev/hda1 /usr/hda1 ext2 defaults 1 2
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0
/dev/hdb8 swap swap defaults 0 0
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ben Logan
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mpulliam)
Subject: Re: Get rid of localhost?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 02:18:46 GMT
>"John Carroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Any suggestions on how to change the HOSTNAME on this
>> newfangled Linux box?
On mine (Red Hat) I have to go in to /etc/sysconfig/network
and put
HOSTNAME=whatever.it.will.be
In some other distros I understand you put
hostname whatever.it.will.be
at the end of rc.local instead.
Not sure if this
is what you are asking, but
HTH
MP
------------------------------
From: marvin greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Missing err msgs in errno.h
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:01:15 -0400
It's been a long time since I've done development on unix, but isn't errno.h
or something similar supposed to have the various error defines?
I'm trying to compile sajber jukebox, and something in the thread code is
complaining about an undefined symbol EBUSY. I did a
find /usr/include -exec grep EBUSY {} \; and found nothing. Out of curiosity
I also looked for ENOMEM, ENOENT, etc... and found only some comments.
errno.h and other similar headers don't define any of the familiar EXXXXX
definitions.
What gives?
Marvin
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: message utility in X windows
Date: 5 Oct 2000 02:56:18 GMT
On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:24:28 GMT, Rob Pohlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm looking for some kind of utility that can pop up a message on a linux
>box running X. If anyone knows of such a program, please let me know.
man xmessage
Dave Cook
------------------------------
From: James Silverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing man pages
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:40:19 -0400
Floyd Davidson wrote:
>
> James Silverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I don't have a postscript printer and so I have set up apsfilter for
> >lpr. The simple command "man fubar | lpr does" very well and prints the
> >bold characters. There is only one problem in that the page eject
> >controls get lost. Does anyone know how to do it? It's nor very
> >important but I've not had the time to investigate.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying the page headers and
> footers on printed pages are not in the right places on the
> printed page? That would probably be a mismatch between the
> formatting that groff is doing and the actual physical page size
> being printed. Adjusting that might be tricky, or might not,
> I'm not sure. It might be as simple as putting the number
> for the lines per page into your printcap file.
>
> What I would do is see if there is a ghostscript driver for your
> printer, and use that to print a PostScript file generated with
> the -t option to man. Even if you have a dot matrix printer the
> results will probably be better that otherwise. If you have a
> laser or ink jet printer the results are guaranteed to be far
> better. You can of course have the apsfilter invoke ghostscript
> automatically, so the only change to your command as shown above
> (minus the typo) is to insert the -t.
>
> Floyd
Hi Floyd!
What I am saying is that I have a Laserjet 4L which is not a postscript
printer. In order to use it with Linux, I followed the SuSE instructions
and installed apsfilter for lpr. This worked very well and ordinarily, I
can forget that I don't have a real postscript printer. For instance, a
multipage Abiword document is printed perfectly.
The command "man find | lpr", for example, produces a multipage
printout but the pages are not ejected at the man headers. This is not
particularly bothersome tho' it would look at bit neater if the page
ejects occurred. I just wondered if it was possible to get man pages to
eject properly but I don't regard it as a major problem nor one
requiring a change to a different printing program.
Incidentally, the bold headers in the document print correctly but if I
use "man -t find | lpr", the printout is much the same but the
previously bold characters become doubled, normal weight and separated
by by about a half letter space; not satisfactory at all!
Jim.
--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Changing the Settings on a Card
Date: 5 Oct 2000 03:53:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 5 Oct 2000 00:21:14 GMT, Marshall Lake wrote:
>I have a SoundBlaster PCI128 card that I'm trying to install on a 2.2.15
>Linux box. I need to change the IRQ setting because it's conflicting
>with another card in the machine.
>
>I have four PCI slots (and three boards). And yes, different slots use
>different interrupts. But it doesn't seem to help to move the boards
>around. I'm still getting what appears to be a conflict. Three irqs are
>used by embedded peripherals on the motherboard: sound, usb, and vga.
>I want to use the SB PCI128 sound rather than the embedded sound.
>With the BIOS I can change the irq settings (across the shared slots)
>but I can't shut peripherals off. And I can only change the irq settings
>to couple of different values.
>
>dmesg doesn't show anything with relation to sound. I'm loading the SB PC128
>modprobe sound
>insmod uart401
>insmod sb io=0x1800 irq=11 dma=1
>
>I get the following error message after entering the second insmod above:
>Device of resource busy
Aha. Fiddling about on the Net reveals that the SB PCI128 is *not* a
Soundblaster, but an ES1370 or ES1371 with the Soundblaster name on it.
(Found that by going to Google and searching for "Linux Soundblaster
PCI128".) The "device or resource busy" line can mean many
things--often, it means you've loaded the wrong module.
Just so that I don't lead you into a wild-goose-chase, do a "cat
/proc/pci" and search the output for "1370" or "1371". If you get a
1370, then try "modprobe es1370" instead of modprobing sb. Replace
es1370 with es1371 if you happen to get "1371" in the /proc/pci output.
If that doesn't work, post the lines from /proc/pci that refer to sound,
and I or someone else will take it from there....
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Missing err msgs in errno.h
Date: 4 Oct 2000 23:58:45 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, marvin greenberg wrote:
> It's been a long time since I've done development on unix, but isn't errno.h
> or something similar supposed to have the various error defines?
>
> I'm trying to compile sajber jukebox, and something in the thread code is
> complaining about an undefined symbol EBUSY. I did a
> find /usr/include -exec grep EBUSY {} \; and found nothing.
On my Debian, glibc-2.1 system, these symbols are eventually defined in
/usr/include/asm/errno.h. In Debian, this file should be found by a "find"
command such as above, but in many distributions, /usr/include/asm is a
symbolic link to /usr/src/linux/include/asm, which find does not search
unless you specify some other flags.
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux as server: recommendations system & Linux
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 04:39:11 GMT
"Ldrpdx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> I'm thinking of purchasing a new system and installing Linux server on it.
> Budget is a consideration, but also scalability. It will be for small
business
> startup use.
>
> I'll be running Apache, Sendmail, My-SQL, and doing Java Servlet/XML
> development on it. For 7x24x356 and Ecommerce use.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any opinions or recommendations for systems
> (hardware configurations) and Linux "brand".
>
> I was thinking of getting the Dell PowerEdge 1300 and installing Red Hat
7.0.
>
> But I have read/heard that Red Hat is not the best for professional uses.
Any
> comments here. Is SlackWare better and/or more configurable.
RedHat's X.0 releases have a history of problems but they get it right
after a while. I've found the VALinux variation (a modified RedHat 6.2)
to be very solid both on their hardware and other systems. You can
find it at ftp://ftp.valinux.com/pub/software/Valinux/6.2.3/. If you have
time for some serious testing before going into production, starting with
RH 7.0 might be OK - otherwise let someone else shake out the early
bugs for a while.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
From: "J.Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Mouse stops clicking in X
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:11:59 +0100
Hi.
I seem to be having a weird problem in X. Sometimes, my mouse does no longer
seem able to click on anything anymore. Even though I can still move the
mousecursor, a mouseclick has no response. At these times, my keyboard still
works fine, and so does everything else. At first I thought that I was
having a IRQ conflict or something, but since my mouse is on com1 and my
modem on com2 this should not be the problem. I have a standard Microsoft
serial mouse, and am running XFree86 3.3.6 with KDE 1.1.2 on Mandrake v7.1.
I have no idea where to start looking to solve this issue. If anyone could
give me some pointers on how to solve this, that would be greatly
appreciated. Also, if i'm newbie enough to have left out critical
configuration information, let me know so I can post that as well.
Thanks.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: "w" and "who" do not list the same users logged in
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 05:16:49 GMT
I'm not sure, but killing the xterms more gently with a kill -HUP may
have logged out the users. Kill -9 is really quite drastic. No signal
handler is usually invoked for signal 9---in fact, it may be impossible
for a program to register a handler for signal 9---so no program that
is killed that way has any opportunity to clean up after itself.
Dave
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:04:28 GMT, Stewart Honsberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:49:32 +0000 (UTC), David Efflandt wrote:
>>If you kill sam, he is not properly logged out, so of course the logs will
>>be wrong. Try logging him out instead (Crtl-D or logout command).
>
>But how does one go about killing several (dozen) logged-in users? I had,
>well, an Xterm incident, and long story short I ended up with about 109
>Xterms loaded. I killall -9 xterm'ed the whole she-bang and my system
>continues to churn away, but there are still most of these users logged
>on. The solution I had before was to create dozens of Xterms and hit
>"exit" in all of them. That worked, but I missed the last 24, and I don't
>relish the experience of creating 109 Xterms and exit'ing them all.
>
--
``I always thought that anybody who told me I couldn't live in the
past was trying to get me to forget something that if I remembered
it would get them in serious trouble.'' --Utah Philips
------------------------------
From: David_C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Your RedHat 7.0 impressions?
Date: 05 Oct 2000 01:26:44 -0400
Robert Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Yes this machine has had many linux installs on it, it is sort of a
> linux test box for me. Perhaps repeatedly wiping the drive clean
> contributes to these problems.
>
> FWIW the second install was succesful, in text mode. I still have not
> gotten X running.
XFree86 4.0 has not (yet) ported all of their video drivers from the 3.x
release. But your virge chipset should be supported.
Here's the driver status for XFree86 4.01:
http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.1/Status.html
-- David
------------------------------
From: David_C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Your RedHat 7.0 impressions?
Date: 05 Oct 2000 01:28:12 -0400
whippet0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I'm a bit confused about the version of the kernel being used in
> Red Hat Linux 7.0. According to the Red Hat web page, it says that Red
> Hat 7.0 is "2.4 kernel ready". I was always under the assumption this
> meant that it had version 2.4 of the kernel. How is this different
> from the "real" 2.4 kernel???
Look at the package list. It's the 2.2.16 kernel, not 2.4.anything.
I don't know what they mean by "2.4 ready". They probably just mean
that there will be an easy upgrade to 2.4 when 2.4 becomes available.
-- David
------------------------------
From: Jay Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 1) shared drives 2)WINE 3)SBLive support
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:41:09 -0700
hi.
here are some problems i am having with Red Hat Linux 6.1
1) I can't get rwx priviledges for anybody but root when I mount my
other hard drives. I tried using chmod and chown and fstab, but for
some reason, it says I am denied permission to change these settings. I
thought root was superman who could do anything.
2) I can't get WINE to work.. it says it windows is not located in
c:\windows, even though it is... i changed the wine.conf settings to
point to all the correct drives, but I think the problem stems from (1).
3) Anyone know how to get a SBLive! Value card to work on kernel
2.2.12-20? the linux drivers that Creative has are for 2.2.5-15, and
they don't work... I tried using ASAC or whatever it is called, but I
got confused halfway through the setup process.
thanks
Jay
------------------------------
From: Jay Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Mouse stops clicking in X
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:44:59 -0700
hmmm... try running xconf again... although that doesn't solve the porblem 100%
of the time, since I had to go into the configuration manually and change the
mouse setting to something xconf did not have listed. good luch
Jay
"J.Smith" wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I seem to be having a weird problem in X. Sometimes, my mouse does no longer
> seem able to click on anything anymore. Even though I can still move the
> mousecursor, a mouseclick has no response. At these times, my keyboard still
> works fine, and so does everything else. At first I thought that I was
> having a IRQ conflict or something, but since my mouse is on com1 and my
> modem on com2 this should not be the problem. I have a standard Microsoft
> serial mouse, and am running XFree86 3.3.6 with KDE 1.1.2 on Mandrake v7.1.
> I have no idea where to start looking to solve this issue. If anyone could
> give me some pointers on how to solve this, that would be greatly
> appreciated. Also, if i'm newbie enough to have left out critical
> configuration information, let me know so I can post that as well.
>
> Thanks.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Misc Digest
******************************
