Linux-Misc Digest #947, Volume #26 Sun, 28 Jan 01 11:13:02 EST
Contents:
test (Jerry Kreps)
Re: How do I set up an SSL https directory in linux/unix? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to put LILO in 1st sector of boot partition ? (Riemer Palstra)
Re: making copy of RH bootable CD on Windoze box ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Potato & upgrading w/*.tar.gz (Paul Kimoto)
compiling kernel problem... ("nybblex")
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Jerry Kreps)
Re: KPPP Problems (Trent Joy)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Jerry Kreps)
Re: compiling kernel problem... (Steen Suder)
Re: what news reader do you use? (Jerry Kreps)
SUIDed pppd doesn't work under Redhat 7? (Superstar)
Re: compiling kernel problem... (Stamatis Stefanakos)
Re: Proliant 2500R + Red Hat 6.2 - RAID5 suddenly loses drives ("Jez Thomas")
Macintosh disk images in Linux / win9x ? (Alexandros Sklavos)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:23:24 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test
--
Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified,"
or proven wrong, by experiment.
Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian
psychology were Popper's favorites-
are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How do I set up an SSL https directory in linux/unix?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:22:06 GMT
> 3. Make a cretificate and a CA to sign your cerificate, asuming you
want it
> only for your private needs and
> don't need a commercial signed certificate (verysign...)
FYI, you can currently get such a commercial certificate for free from
GlobalSign.
Check out
http://www.globalsign.net/digital_certificate/freeserver.cfm?ID=bdutexd
for more info.
Just my �0.01 :-)
tex
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From: Riemer Palstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to put LILO in 1st sector of boot partition ?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:33:52 +0100
On 28 Jan 2001 13:23:18 GMT, Lee Webb wrote:
> Additionally, if Lilo is already on the MBR, you should be able
> to use your boot disk (you *do* have one, don't you) to get into
> DOS and do an fdisk /mbr to restore the MBR. Only problem is:
> this'll work for Win9x - not sure about 2000.
The DOS method fdisk /mbr will also work for Windows 2000, although, it
can also be done by running the Windows 2000 Recovery Console, logging
in and then at the command prompt type: fixmbr (and fixboot if you have
to do that too...)
rsp.
--
Riemer Palstra // [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://palstra.nl // http://palstra.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: making copy of RH bootable CD on Windoze box
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:37:09 GMT
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:25:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew) wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>OK, so I have RH 6.0 purring along, and would like to make a copy of
>>the bootable install CD. However, I only have CD burners for my
>>various Windoze boxes. I tried doing a basic disk copy using the
>>latest flavour of Adaptecs software for doing same, but the copied CD
>>does not boot when I restart the Linux box.
>>
>>I'm sure there are a few switches that need to be flipped - 'little
>>help'? :-)
>>
>How about using the "disk at once" feature of ez cd creator? or just their
>cd to cd copy? Just don't do the copy like files copying as what you want
>is to do a cdcopy version of the dos diskcopy for a floppy.
I tried that - the basic EZ CD Creator disk copy - doesn't work.
Something on the original RH boot CD is not copied.
The image suggestion of the preceeding post is worth a shot.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Potato & upgrading w/*.tar.gz
Date: 28 Jan 2001 10:12:59 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler wrote:
> J.W. Sargent writes:
>> Debian V2.2
>
>> Desire to upgrade to latest:
>> util-linux
>> modutils
>> e2fsprogs
>> ppp
> I've been running 2.3 and 2.4 kernels for quite a while now and I've not
> had to install anything from tarballs. Everything you need is in the
> archive:
>
> Required util-linux 2.10q-1
> Required modutils 2.4.1-2
> Required e2fsprogs 1.19-3
> Required ppp 2.4.0f-1
> Install apt and add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
>
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main
>
> As root, type
>
> apt-get update; apt-get install util-linux modutils e2fsprogs ppp
This will also replace libc6; you might consider that a significant
upgrade. On my mostly-unstable system:
$ dpkg -s util-linux modutils e2fsprogs ppp |
egrep 'Package|Version|Depends'
Package: util-linux
Version: 2.10q-1
Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.97), libncurses5, slang1 (>> 1.3.0-0)
Package: modutils
Version: 2.4.1-1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.97), sysvinit (>= 2.71-2)
Package: e2fsprogs
Version: 1.19-3
Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.97)
Package: ppp
Version: 2.4.0f-1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), libpam0g, libpam-modules, netbase, sysvinit (>=
2.75-4)
(Hmm, it looks like ppp_2.4.0f-1 can be installed directly on a 2.2
system.)
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
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and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: "nybblex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compiling kernel problem...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:13:52 +0200
Hi,
I have no sound in my Mandrake 7.1 box, and in /var/log/messages says that
the modules sound-slot-0 and sound-slot-something are missing...
So, I decided to recompile the kernel and to add support for this
(I 'm new to Linux..)
I did:
cd /usr/src/linux-kernel
make xconfig
make dep
make clean
make bzImage
make modules
(...so far so good)
but when I type "make modules-install" I get an error message that says: "No
rule to make modules-install" (!!!#$%!&^@##)
...now what should I do?? I have no idea!!
any help would be highly appreciated...
thanx in advance
Konstantinos
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:15:48 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve Withers wrote:
> Steve Ackman wrote:
<snip>
>
> "Regulation" is actually oversight (the big picture) which stores
> learned information in an institutional structure in order to prevent
> the lessons of the past being forgotten. This oversight is necessary
> as none of us live forever...yet our institutions need to have
> "memories" in order to avoid making the same mistakes over and over.
>
That is a very good explanation for why regulations are necessary.
What 'lessons' need to be remembered is another question.
<snip>
> Regulation and restrictions are an institutional attempt to protect
> people from their own ignorance. Regulations are the legal embodiment
> of the solutions to problems that you are I may not even know exist.
Here is where I believe you step in the socialist doo-doo...
Regulations, IMO, aren't a tool for the 'enlightened' few to control the
behavior of the ignorant masses, but not their own. In a free society
the purpose of laws and regulations is to make sure everyone plays by
the same rules, and punish those who do not. Behavior isn't coherced,
but misbehavior is punished. Free societies don't lock innocent
people up to prevent them from misbehaving. Free societies don't
create an oppressive environment to protect people from themselves. In
a free society people have the liberty to behave as they wish. We
punish those who, after due process according to mutually agreed rules,
are proven to have misbehaved. An oppressive society would, for
example, institutionalize slavery, or destroy those who are unwanted or
inconvenient, defending such actions with euphamistic words, of course.
When the "regulators' don't play by the same rules, as exemplified by
the conduct demonstrated during the last eight years of "my
administration will be the most ethical administration in history",
then you have gross injustice. The 'regulators' place themselves above
the law. Injustice becomes compounded if the fourth estate subscribes
to the same utopian philosophy and turns a blind eye to the obvious
misdeeds, becoming a psychophant, or mere propaganda arm of the
self-anointed elite.
A society can institutionalize a corrupt view, as was done with the
Dred Scott decision, based on a supposed moral and ehtical and racial
attitude of superiority. The intellectual arrogance of the
self-anointed elite knows no bounds. Their thoughts, ideas and
opinions are right precisely because they are theirs. Conversely,
every differing view is wrong. No history is immune from their
revisionism, no event is above their self-serving misinterpretation, no
lie is shameful if it serves their purpose. They play word games and
resort to ad homenim attacks when they can no longer use logic, facts
or history to support their opinions.
Such were the circumstances prior to the American revolution. Such
were the circumstances that led to the American Civil War. Such
circumstances now describe the current politic.
--
Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified,"
or proven wrong, by experiment.
Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian
psychology were Popper's favorites-
are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
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From: Trent Joy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: KPPP Problems
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:19:23 GMT
Open up a terminal window as root. enter this:
chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd
go to www.kde.org and read their FAQ, they have a
workaround for the KPPP problem with the redhat
distro.
--
=====>Trent
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.earthlink.net/~trentjoy
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:26:00 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Excellent summary!
I would add that the number of folks who abstain from command line in
favor of a macro assembler are smaller yet. The smallest group are the
elitists who do everying in binary, chaning registers by flipping
switches. Now those folks are real coders. ;-)
Flacco wrote:
>
> < incredibly long, laborious, common knowledge that is essentially
> irrelevant to the original purpose of the thread but probably felt
good to
> get it off the poster's chest anyway snipped >
>
> Are you intentionally missing the point of the original post, or at
least
> the clarified follow-up?
>
> Preach all you like; people want - and are going to use - visual
design
> tools. Not necessarily WYSIWYG in the strict definition of the term,
but
> they want to work with content in a more natural way than just laying
out
> reams of HTML code. And no, clever text editors that can color tags
> different colors are not sufficient.
>
> The table example illustrates this. If you're using an HTML table
and you
> want to move a region of the table to another part of the table, you
have
> some serious editing to do if you're working with a text editor. A
visual
> design tool would allow you to highlight a range of cells, and move
the
> contents elsewhere within the table without even thinking about it.
(At
> this point you will feel the urge to disparage anyone who can't
expend the
> mental energy to do this as underserving of an IP connection; please
> restrain yourself. Some people have other things to do with their
mental
> energy, and squandering it on a mindless manual task like this is a
waste of
> time.)
>
> There are people who have the desire to use clean, standard HTML on
their
> websites, but they're not going to use a text editor to write it -
period.
> Responses like yours will simply prompt them to think "Yeah, well,
screw
> those egg-heads then. FrontPage it is, and let's see how much
VBScript and
> ActiveX I can cram into this baby."
>
> I do not believe the assertion that it's technically impossible to
produce a
> graphical web page layout program that produces correct code. It
doesn't
> have to support every feature, and can purposely *not* support
features that
> would break HTML. It could have all kinds of dire warnings about how
what
> the user sees is not a pixel-for-pixel representation of what others
will
> see, and links to the sections in the bible or q'uran or whatever that
> explicitly spell out which circle of hell is reserved for those who
use
> non-standard features. That's all fine. But surely it could handle
the
> majority of the grunt work that a casual user is faced with when
designing a
> web page.
>
> The common response to this is "let them use a word processor and
save the
> resulting file as HTML". That's not what users want. They want a
tool
> specifically designed to edit and maintain websites. They want to be
able
> to toggle between the graphical layout and the HTML code in situ.
And, to
> make this Linux-relevant again, if they can't get these tools on
Linux they
> will use Windows.
>
> You really are missing the forest for the trees (or tree). The issue
is not
> "do visual design tools produce correct HTML", the issue is "people
*are
> going to use* visual design tools; how can they be accommodated while
> keeping the code on the web clean?".
>
>
>
>
--
Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified,"
or proven wrong, by experiment.
Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian
psychology were Popper's favorites-
are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
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From: Steen Suder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compiling kernel problem...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:32:19 +0100
nybblex wrote:
>
<SNIP something about kernel compiling>
> but when I type "make modules-install" I get an error message that says: "No
> rule to make modules-install" (!!!#$%!&^@##)
It should be make modules_install.
It's an underscore in the middle.
--
Steen Suder
OpenSource - Because propriety doesn't lead to anything
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what news reader do you use?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:29:41 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lee Webb wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:16:15 -0500, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >knode isn't bad, and Pan is basically an Agent clone...try them both
> >
> >> slrn is a great and efficient little reader. ...Edwin
> >>
> >> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:32:59 -0500, JuanMa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> >On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 04:19:22 GMT, "blix"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I am currently using PAN... it seems to be the closest to the
newsreader
> >> >>I am used to on my Windows machine (MS Outlook Express).
> >> >>
> >> >>But I've been trying to use emacs to read the news but find it
very
> >> >>non-intuitive and cumbersome. Is it worth it to learn to read
the news
> >> >>in emacs?
> >> >>
> >> >>What news readers do you all use?
> >> >>
>
> I've used various ones: Netscape, slrn, Pan, KNode, Pine.
>
> I just don't like the GUI ones:
>
<snip>
> KNode: don't like. Seems far too slow (and I'm on an Athlon 900!!!)
> Pine: O.K., but I prefer to keep email and news separate. Not as
> repsonsive as slrn.
> Lee.
mmm... I use KNode on a P166 with 64MB RAM and find it to be very fast.
on my Tier 1 ADSL connection.
On a machine as fast as yours it would seem to me that the speed of
your internet connection would be the bottle neck, not KNode.
JLK
--
Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified,"
or proven wrong, by experiment.
Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian
psychology were Popper's favorites-
are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
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From: Superstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SUIDed pppd doesn't work under Redhat 7?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:25:57 GMT
Since I upgraded to Redhat 7, I can't start a ppp connection as my
user account. Yes, I have done "chmod u+s pppd", and it is set
properly. Despite that, I still recieve the "/usr/sbin/pppd: using
the name option requires root privilege" message. This worked fine
under Redhat 6.2; has anyone else had this problem with 7? Or is
there something else that I'm missing?
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:52:14 +0100
From: Stamatis Stefanakos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compiling kernel problem...
> but when I type "make modules-install" I get an error message that says: "No
> rule to make modules-install" (!!!#$%!&^@##)
well... that's an easy one, try:
make modules_install
S.
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From: "Jez Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq,alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Proliant 2500R + Red Hat 6.2 - RAID5 suddenly loses drives
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:55:17 -0000
This belongs firmly in alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq.servers, so follow-ups set.
The Archimage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> OK, here's the scenario:
>
> I have a Compaq Proliant 2500R, dual PPro 200's, a gig of EDO ECC RAM,
> and an external Compaq F1 Raid array with 9 identical Seagate 9.1 gig
> SCSI drives.
<snip - disks fail>
> I called Compaq, and they told me to upgrade to the latest BIOS and
> utilities, and then run the system erase utility.
You needed to do:
- Systemboard firmware
- RAID (SMART) card firmware
- Disk firmware
- System partition upgrade (Thinks - does Linux support the system
partition?)
IMO, the system erase should not have been necessary.
> I did, then I ran the
> compaq diagnostics. I ran two complete runs (took 66 hours), and the
> machine, the CPUs, the memory, the SCSI controller, and the disks all
> passed.
Diags won't pick up a firmware bug.
> Any clues where to look next? I'm leaning towards bypassing the onboard
> NCR SCSI card and putting an Adaptec 2940UW in a PCI slot and running
> the array off of it.
Eh? Are you not using a Compaq SMART Array card???
Where do you get an "onboard NCR SCSI card" from?
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From: Alexandros Sklavos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Macintosh disk images in Linux / win9x ?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:52:40 +0100
Hello,
does anybody know how mac diskette images can be created in Linux or
in Win95/98 ??
thanx.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:05:56 GMT
Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excellent summary!
> I would add that the number of folks who abstain from command line in
> favor of a macro assembler are smaller yet. The smallest group are the
> elitists who do everying in binary, chaning registers by flipping
> switches. Now those folks are real coders. ;-)
Don't laugh .. I remember doing that twenty years ago when I designed
and built a telephone exchange controller under contract. I wrote the
machine code for the 6802 chip I was using and programmed it in using a
little flash utility I rigged up that would put the necessary 12v in for
the ms required. I had to program the flash one byte at a time, using
sone DIL switches, then fire it.
I didn't know assemblers existed ...
Peter
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