Linux-Misc Digest #967, Volume #25 Sat, 7 Oct 00 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux contra Microsoft (Larry Ebbitt)
Re: I admit defeat (Arnt Karlsen)
Cable modem, ethernet, and DHCP (James)
Re: getting rid of mingetty (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Cable modem, ethernet, and DHCP ("Eric Cartman")
Re: Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise (Matthew McClintock)
Re: experiences needed with making a mini distribution (mpulliam)
using telnet ("Michael Ware")
Re: Linux contra Microsoft (eljayh)
Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work? (Ken Schrock)
Input/output error with Tape Drive ("Jeff Borders")
Re: I admit defeat (John Hasler)
Re: Linux contra Microsoft ("David ..")
HELP me with Redhat 7.0 and Linksys network in a box ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
HELP me with Redhat 7.0 and Linksys network in a box ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Should I jump into Linux? ("Osugi Sakae")
Re: Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work? (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: my ftpd dies on large files. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
How can I make function keys launch something? (John Jacobs)
Re: using telnet ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Browser problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:11:40 -0400
From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux contra Microsoft
"David .." wrote:
>
> I would agree but as long as system's maker's or reseller's do not offer
> any other choice when a buyer orders a new computer then M$ will always
> have an advantage over any other system available. Though many now offer
> linux on servers they do not offer it for desktop systems. From personal
> experience, when I went to buy my newest system I couldn't even buy one
> without an OS (let alone with linux preinstalled) which wasn't any big
> deal, I just built my own system and eliminated the system maker,
> reseller, and M$ from selling me something I didn't want or need.
It is possible to buy desktop machines now with OS/2 or Linux preinstalled
from Indelible Blue. www.indelible-blue.com (I think). They are a very
reliable firm with whom I've been doing business since 1994 with the
best of results.
--
Larry Ebbitt - Linux + OS/2 - Atlanta
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From: Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I admit defeat
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:12:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> > Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > ..resending this, could not find it in the ngs:
>
> Now the big question...
>
> WHY did you resend it when it shouldn't have been sent in the first place.
> There's a place for international political debates, and this isn't IT!
..this is not a debate invitation.
This is a legally founded request to help document allegations of war
crimes, and to help screen out the bad guys from the good guys. Some of
the good guys had to be "bad" to save their families from reprisals
while stuck in Slobos claws.
> This is a linux newsgroup, for linux discussion. There's nothing for you
> here.
..nothing of interest but decent people who in several cases volonteer a
few minutes of their time, reporting and archiving legal evidence on
linux and unix based news spools, which can save a lifetime for a few
hundred people and their families.
..x-fut'ed to ng: no.nettvett, thank you for your time and help.
--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-)
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.
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From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Cable modem, ethernet, and DHCP
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:41:55 GMT
Arg, linux newbie here with some problems setting up my cable modem with
dhcp. I have Mandrake 7.1. I type in "netconf" which takes me to the
network configurator. In "Basic Host Info" there is a "hostname +
domain" entry which is set to "localhost.localdomain".
Under the "adapter1" tab is the following info:
net device: eth0
kernel module: 3c509
irq: 10
ip: my ip
the dhcp radio button is selected
When I close out of netconf and tell is to activate changes I get an
error. Here it is:
Executing /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10network reload:
> Bringing up device eth0 Determining IP information for eth0 via
dhcp...faile
> [FAILED]
And that's that. No internet connection. I've already read a couple of
how-to's (especially cable modem, dhcp mini-howto, and the ethernet
howto) and they didn't help.
I have a 3com Etherlink III (3c509B)
Any help is appreciated! Getting frustrated and wanting to switch back
to Winblowz.
James L
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: getting rid of mingetty
Date: 7 Oct 2000 17:09:27 -0400
In article <8rjajj$7v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fester) writes:
>
>]I saw Mihai Cartoaje rant about the following:
>]>Hello,
>]>
>]>I have a computer with 16MB of ram running RedHat, and top informs me
>]>that the 5 instances of mingetty loaded at startup take up over 2MB.
do you need all the 6 virtual terminals? if you can do with less, you
can comment out a few lines in /etc/inittab
you can replace mingetty with one of the other gettys (mgetty is
usually recoomended for serial lines), but (the name 'mingetty' gives
you a hint) they alkl take more space.
>]>I have tried renaming mingetty so that iniscript wouldn't find it, but
>]>then Linux wouldn't boot. I have my computer back up and running now,
>]>but I still have to get rid of mingetty!
>
>
>mingetty is the program which sits on the consoles ( by default 6 of
>them-- accessible by alt-ctrl-F1 to Alt-ctrl-F6) waiting for you to type
>in your name to the login prompt. No mingetty, no login.
not quite true: you can replace it with any of the other gettys
> ...
hs
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From: "Eric Cartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cable modem, ethernet, and DHCP
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:55:41 GMT
I have all of this working fine, so here is my setup:
Basic Host information:
Host name + domain = localhost.localdomain (this can be anything you want)
Adapter 1:
Enabled = True
Config mode = DHCP
Net device = eth0
Kernal module = ne2k-pci (yours will be different)
All other values = blank
Name Server specification:
DNS is required for normal usage = True
(leave all values blank, DHCP will pick this up for you)
Leave everything else as it is.
This should get you connected. If it doesn't, you should check with your
Cable provider that you network card address is registered with them (if
this is how they do it).
Hope this helps.
James wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Arg, linux newbie here with some problems setting up my cable modem with
>dhcp. I have Mandrake 7.1. I type in "netconf" which takes me to the
>network configurator. In "Basic Host Info" there is a "hostname +
>domain" entry which is set to "localhost.localdomain".
>Under the "adapter1" tab is the following info:
>net device: eth0
>kernel module: 3c509
>irq: 10
>ip: my ip
>the dhcp radio button is selected
>
>When I close out of netconf and tell is to activate changes I get an
>error. Here it is:
>
>Executing /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10network reload:
> > Bringing up device eth0 Determining IP information for eth0 via
>dhcp...faile
> > [FAILED]
>
>And that's that. No internet connection. I've already read a couple of
>how-to's (especially cable modem, dhcp mini-howto, and the ethernet
>howto) and they didn't help.
>
>I have a 3com Etherlink III (3c509B)
>
>Any help is appreciated! Getting frustrated and wanting to switch back
>to Winblowz.
>
>James L
>
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From: Matthew McClintock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:08:58 -0500
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:54:33 -0700, chief <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > thanks guys, that was an amazing response! there was one question about
> >what a download manager is...if your modem connection is cut off during a
> >download, the manager will reconnect for you and start the download where it
> >left off.
>
> I would have a look at lftp (included in SuSE I think). There is a command
> called lftpget that autom,atically retrieves any URL (http/ftp) and retreis and
> so on. REally have a look at it. Best ftp client ever!!! Includes download
> manager and features http support. Command completion, you name it.
>
> Similiar functionality is found in wget and got_it.
I know ncftp automatically can resume any file, as for browser integration with
another acual "download manager" I am not totally sure
But most programs resume on their own.
Hope this helps
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mpulliam)
Subject: Re: experiences needed with making a mini distribution
Date: 8 Oct 2000 00:45:16 GMT
On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:54:50 +0200, Martin
Herrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm searching for someone that has
already been busy with making his (or her)
>own mini linux distribution that fits
on a single floppy (succesfully or not
>:-). I want to make one that can burn cd's,
it needs programs like sox, mpg123,
>cdrecord, mkisofs and a tiny base system.
>Martin
Hi Martin,
have you looked at Toms rootboot disk at:
http://www.toms.net/rb/home.html
This is a one-floppy basic linux. It does not
have the features you are looking for, but
you might start with it and subtract what
you don't want, then add what you need. I have
been working on such a project myself (though not
with the purpose of making one that can burn
CDROMs) -- I haven't gotten too far yet, but
it's a great learning exercise. My own goal
was to make a mini-linux that will get and
send text email.
MP
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From: "Michael Ware" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: using telnet
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:41:01 +1000
Hello, are there any tutorial on using telnet from a windows machine
connecting to RH6.2 machine, I will need to set up virtual hosts and server
maintenance for my lan. For example whats the easiest way to
open/read/write a file back to the server?
Thank you
Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: eljayh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux contra Microsoft
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:04:59 +0800
Rafael wrote:
> I think Linux is very good alternative for WIndows NT not for WIndows 98 etc.
and
> Most things in Linux you do using shell and to have Server with all Services
> like http, ftp, nntp, smtp, pop, imap etc you do not need GUI.
and
> But at all I very rare use GUI, I hate it.
>
> Rafael
>
So are you somehow sending your anti-M$ and anti-GUI posts using
Netscape running from a command line in Windows 98, or have you
absolutely no credibility at all?
LJH
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From: Ken Schrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 01:01:26 GMT
Or ls -R *.obj for that matter...
Please e-mail me, I can't get through all these groups everyday.
--
Ken Schrock
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jeff Borders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Input/output error with Tape Drive
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 21:17:27 +0400
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Hello,
I'm using Mandrake 7.1 w/ 2.2.18pre15 kernel. I have a Sony DDS2 SDT-7000 and
Adaptec 2910 SCSI Card. The tape drive is the only scsi device and it
has termination enabled. I've loaded all the modules needed. The
problem is this:
Whenever I try to use mt -f /dev/st0 status, I get:
SCSI 2 tape drive:
File number=-1, block number=-1, partition=0.
Tape block size 0 bytes. Density code 0x0 (default).
Soft error count since last status=0
General status bits on (10000):
IM_REP_EN
Whenever I try any other mt command, ie. mt -f /dev/st0 rewind, I get:
/dev/st0: Input/output error
Any ideas? TIA... -Jeff Borders
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I admit defeat
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:24:19 GMT
Arnt Karlsen writes:
> ..this is not a debate invitation.
> This is...
...spam.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux contra Microsoft
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:35:45 -0500
Larry Ebbitt wrote:
>
> It is possible to buy desktop machines now with OS/2 or Linux preinstalled
> from Indelible Blue. www.indelible-blue.com (I think). They are a very
> reliable firm with whom I've been doing business since 1994 with the
> best of results.
Ok Thanks for the tip. Back when I was looking I wasn't able to find
anyone that would let me buy a system without an OS on it (about a year
ago). But then my system would have cost about 1.5 to 2 times more than
it did to build it myself. But I did enjoy building it.
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HELP me with Redhat 7.0 and Linksys network in a box
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 01:47:15 GMT
HELP me with Redhat 7.0 and Linksys network in a box
I have to network two computers one is a desktop and the other is a Dell
Inspiron 3200 network with a 3com network card. I picked up the LinkSys
fast etherenet 10/100 network in a box and installed the card in my
desktop. After pluging the cabel in from the desktop to the hub the hub
lights lit up. On my notepad with the 3com card the lights are not
coming on?? does the hub work with 3com network cards??
Anyway I am very need to this and I dont know what to do next to tell
that the desktop is working right and also how to get my notepad working
right. If you think you can help me please email me ASAP at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HELP me with Redhat 7.0 and Linksys network in a box
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 01:45:40 GMT
HELP me with Redhat 7.0 and Linksys network in a box
I have to network two computers one is a desktop and the other is a Dell
Inspiron 3200 network with a 3com network card. I picked up the LinkSys
fast etherenet 10/100 network in a box and installed the card in my
desktop. After pluging the cabel in from the desktop to the hub the hub
lights lit up. On my notepad with the 3com card the lights are not
coming on?? does the hub work with 3com network cards??
Anyway I am very need to this and I dont know what to do next to tell
that the desktop is working right and also how to get my notepad working
right. If you think you can help me please email me ASAP at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should I jump into Linux?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:36:00 +0900
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Tony,
(I am not Tony, never met him, don't speak for him.)
> Yes, I use my computer frequently as a tool to do
> my work, and as I've indicated, that only requires use certain
> capabilities of my machine. I don't need to write scripts or tinker so
> my machine is optimized to the n-th degree.
> So I ask you, the country driver non-subway person, what
> specifically am I missing that will make my computing life so much
> better? I have a finite amount of time in my life, and there are more
> important things in my life than messing around with computers. BUT...I
> would be willing to invest time into learning Linux, if it would make
> what I do easier, AND give me capabilities that I didn't have before
> (that are valuable to ME).
>
> What are these things of value in Linux? That's what I
> want to know, so I know whether Linux will be valuable to me. I have no
> doubt that Linux is superior in many ways. But if it isn't going to
> significantly help me, than it isn't worth the cost.
>
> Despite my exasperated tone as I approach midnight, I
> do appreciate your time in answering questions about Linux.
> Thanks,
> Andrew
Please understand that as is the case with any tool, whether or not to use
it depends on what you are trying to do. If you can do everything you need
to do on Windows, and you have the software to do it already, then don't
worry about switching to Linux (unless just as a hobby or something).
>From what you said (I think), your spreadsheet isn't supported under
Windows. So go to www.freshmeat.net and search for spreadsheets, then go
to the homepages for the results and see if they support Xess format. Or,
see what formats Xess will import from, and see if any of those are
available for Linux. If you don't mind spending some money, there are
several good spreadsheets available that might do what you need. The free
spreadsheets are also good for day-to-day stuff and may or may not do what
you need.
We can't really tell whether Linux is right for you, whether it has
something that will make your life better without knowing what exactly you
want to do. Sure, right now you may not write / need / use any scripts,
but if you switch to Linux and get some experience with it that some of
your daily chores can be automated.
I personally use Linux for these reasons:
1. Stable - never had normal use crash the system.
2. true multi-tasking - can you run seti@home and an mp3 player at the
same time that you are burning a cd under windows? I doubt it. I did it
once (on accident, forgot that seti was running) - and the cd burned just
fine. This is not typical usage, but it is not uncommon for me to rip one
cd while encoding another batch of wav files while listening to other mp3s
while surfing the net. I don't recommend trying this under windows.
3. Choice - lots of it, and no company trying to lock me into their stuff.
4. Free - both beer and speech.
5. Complete - comes with everything you need. Powerful stuff (no notepad
crap) and very little need to search for or buy other software.
6. Liberation - the more you learn about the Linux / Unix system, the more
you realize that you can do. With windows, I never had that feeling. Want
to try programming? No need to spend megabucks for the tools you need.
Need to find a better way to get your daily stuff done? Linux gives you
the tools. Windows makes you go find some commercial program that may be
too much or too little. Linux allows you to actually view your computer as
a powerful, programmable tool, rather than a cross between a type writer
and a VCR.
Anyhow, my two yen, and I realize it may not have answered your questions.
--
Osugi Sakae
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work?
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 02:46:07 GMT
On Sun, 08 Oct 2000 01:01:26 GMT, Ken Schrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|Or ls -R *.obj for that matter...
What do you expect it to do? I'm sure it's working perfectly, but you
may have incorrect expectations...
According to the man pages, the 'rm' command dosn't have an 'R' option
at all, and so 'rm -R *.obj' should return with an "unknown option" error.
'ls' *does* have an 'R' option for recusivelt descending directories,
but 'ls -R *.obj' will only list entries that match '*.obj' and it
is doubtfull that any of these will be directories for the '-R' to
recursively descend.
My guess at what you are trying to do is list all the .obj files
in the current directory and all sub-directories. This is a job
for 'find'. Try this command:
find . -name '*.obj' -print
If you want to find out more information, pass the resulting list
of file names to 'ls'
find . -name '*.obj' -print | xargs ls -l
or to delete all the found files,
find . -name '*.obj' -print | xargs rm
|Please e-mail me, I can't get through all these groups everyday.
If you don't read the groups, why do you post here? Surely you
can put in the effort to read the groups for a few days after
you post a question, even if you don't read them any other time?
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: my ftpd dies on large files.
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:53:38 -0700
On or about Fri, 06 Oct 2000 22:56:12 GMT, Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrivened:
> Hi.
> Does anyone have any idea why my linux ftpd dies on me about halfways
> thru when I "get" a 45 meg file from my windows machine?
What's in your system logs?
Try running the daemon in debug mode. Report output.
--
Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal
http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0
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From: John Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How can I make function keys launch something?
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:00:06 -0500
Howdy,
I've never really thought about my under-utilized function keys until
now, and I would like to know how to make a function key "do something"
throughout linux. For example, if I press F7 anywhere it starts a new
process and runs a script, or F8 runs an x program.
I use KDE most of the time, but would like command-mode, too.
Where do I begin? Thanks!
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: using telnet
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:03:47 -0700
On or about Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:41:01 +1000, Michael Ware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
scrivened:
> Hello, are there any tutorial on using telnet from a windows machine
> connecting to RH6.2 machine, I will need to set up virtual hosts and server
> maintenance for my lan. For example whats the easiest way to
> open/read/write a file back to the server?
Your question doesn't make any sense.
What are you trying to do? Telnet is a remote access protocol, not a
file transfer or fileshare protocol.
--
Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal
http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Browser problem
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:01:00 -0700
On or about Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:59:45 +0100, Mark Seavers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
scrivened:
> I've been finding that every now and then, Netscape just disappears from
> my desktop - right when I'm using it. Normally, this happens right after
> I've requested a page. The even stranger thing is, I get a similar thing
> happening with Opera. I haven't tried MoZilla yet - but if anyone could
> shed any light, I would be most obliged.
Netscapes sucks.
Unfortunately, it's one of the better browsers available for Linux.
Alternatives, up-and-coming or otherwise: w3m and lynx (text mode),
Galeon, Armadillo (aka gzilla), Mozilla, kfm / Konqueror, the Gnome Help
Browser, and others. You'll find various trade offs in capabilities
(particularly java, javashit, and plugins), rendering, and stability. I
find a mix of w3m, Netscape, Galeon, and gzilla suit me most of the
time.
--
Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal
http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0
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