Linux-Misc Digest #967, Volume #27 Mon, 28 May 01 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Desktop Environments ("bowman")
Re: Kwrite for Gnome? (Alan Russell)
tulip driver (MrEye)
Start bash along with X (Jesper Petersen)
Setuid troubles w/ Mandrake 8.0 (David Grogan)
Re: Start bash along with X (Jesper Petersen)
Re: Start bash along with X ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file? ("Scsi")
gdb warning (Charles Wilkins)
Re: Start bash along with X (Yvan Loranger)
Button Graphics in X... (Jeffrey Hood)
Re: "export" problems (Markku Kolkka)
Re: FTP Question RH 7.1 (Markku Kolkka)
Re: FTP Question RH 7.1 (Markku Kolkka)
Re: linux (william)
Re: Kwrite for Gnome? (Carlie Coats)
Re: Help, error msg. on boot up (Lamar Thomas)
Image Management Software (Stephen J. Thompson)
Re: Image Management Software (David Grogan)
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From: "bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Desktop Environments
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:12:16 -0600
"Tyron Washington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> [1] What is the relationship between GNOME and the desktop environments
> featured on themes.org (afterstep, blackbox, enlightenment, fvwm, gtk+,
> icewm, kde, litestep, sawfish & wm)? Or is GNOME just another desktop
> environment?
an interesting question that was asked of me at work last week. one thing
gnome is NOT, is a window manager. currently, its preferred wm is sawfish,
but it runs on top of several others. the gnome.org site has a compatibilty
list.
for instance, I recently got the newest gnome distro and set it up at home
using sawfish. the base functionality was sawfish; i.e. to move from
workspace to workspace, setup shortcuts, and so forth, you actually
configure sawfish.
when I upgraded at work, however, i had issues with sawfish locking up, so i
used icewm. again, the basic configuration is icewm and that is where much
of the functional configuration takes place. in fact, when the gnome panel
is hidden, icewm's appears, and one is using icewm's menus and so forth.
Most of the wm's provide quite a bit of functionality. I've used fvwm2 by
itself for a long time, for instance, running the occasional gnome app. KDE
provides its own wm, and suite of apps, but can also run gnome apps.
So, i guess i'd have to say gnome is just a set of related apps, which may
(hopefully) be linked up with CORBA, and a developement environment based on
gtk+. the problem is I don't use many of these apps. nautilus, and the
underlying mozilla are real slugs on a less than leading edge machine. i
seldom have use for a word processor or office suite like abi. frankly, if i
have to deal with Word docs, I just slide over to the Windows machine. I've
never used a spreadsheet, from the days of SuperCalc to now, so gnumeric
doesn't do much for me.
So, if I say i'm running gnome, as opposed to fvwm2 or kde. what exactly
does that mean? as i said, a good question. after I hemmed and hawed for a
while, my co-worker said, "if you can't explain it to a professional
programmer, just how do you intend to explain it to a newbie?"
I guess at the end of the day, gnome is an ambitious 'vision'. On a windows
box, one pretty much can walk up to any one and find their way around,
though installed apps may differ. On Linux, walking up to someone else's box
can be an adventure, usually culminating in the question, "OK, how the hell
do I get an xterm up?"
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From: Alan Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Kwrite for Gnome?
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:24:20 +0100
You could also try Jext from http://www.sourceforge.net
If handles a great deal of different languages and colourises them all for
you.
Alan
LRW wrote:
> I LOVE KDE's kwrite as a super-notepad; but I can't quite find something
> like that in Gnome's applications. What I mean is, kwrite allows you to
> change color tagging depending on what style you want--HTML, Pearl, C,
> etc, and I LOVE that. But I can't find that feature in either of Gnome's
> native word editers.
>
> I ask because I'm going to be using a workstation that only have Gnome
> and no KDE, otherwise I'd just use kwrite even in Gnome.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Oh, BTW, what are people's opinions between KDE and Gnome? Just
> wondering. =)
>
> Thamks again!
>
> Liam
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From: MrEye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: tulip driver
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:36:47 -0400
I have RH7.1 installed. I also installed using the rpm, the kernel for
RH7.0, so that I can run win4lin. But in the RH7.0 kernel it does not
rcognize my ethernet card or load the 'tulip' module. Here is the result
of the moprobe command --
[root@localhost irlapati]# modprobe tulip
/lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/tulip.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
/lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/tulip.o: insmod
/lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/tulip.o failed
/lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/tulip.o: insmod tulip failed
[root@localhost irlapati]#
Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong and hwo to correct to.
Thanks in advance.
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From: Jesper Petersen <jesperp**Delete**@nork.auc.dk>
Subject: Start bash along with X
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:46:16 +0200
Hi!
How do I make bash start automatically when I start X?
Thanks
Jesper
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From: David Grogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Setuid troubles w/ Mandrake 8.0
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:47:39 -0400
I'm trying to make it so that any user can start a dial-up connection
and any user can disconnect. I have it so that any user can start a
connection, but the problem is when root starts the connection, a user
doesn't have permission to kill the process. Here is the relevant info,
I'd really appreciate if someone could let me know what I'm doing wrong.
ps aux |grep pppd:
root 2988 0.0 1.4 1860 888 pts/0 S 18:01 0:00 /usr/sbin/pppd -d
ls -l /usr/bin/hangup:
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 12 May 22 00:21 /usr/bin/hangup
cat /usr/bin/hangup:
killall pppd
localhost:~$ /usr/bin/hangup
pppd(2988): Operation not permitted
pppd: no process killed
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From: Jesper Petersen <jesperp**Delete**@nork.auc.dk>
Subject: Re: Start bash along with X
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:52:54 +0200
>Hi!
>
>How do I make bash start automatically when I start X?
>
>Thanks
>Jesper
Sorry forgot to tell it's in Mandrake 8.0.
Jesper
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Start bash along with X
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:59:20 +0200
Jesper Petersen <jesperp**Delete**@nork.auc.dk> wrote:
> How do I make bash start automatically when I start X?
You don't mean that.
"bash" is a shell language. It runs all the time in your computer,
in lots and lots of different processes. It certainly runs when you
start X, because the initrc and xdm scripts are shell scripts.
What are you really asking?
Maybe: "how do I make bash my login shell"? Or "how do I get xterms
to run my login shell"?
Peter
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From: "Scsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file?
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:08:55 -0400
Yeah ... why should I be penalized through levied taxes and taxation because
someone else downloads copyrighted materials? Too much government = slavery.
Down here in the US the government = big business and we have all become
robots and slaves to a group of captialist and greedy folks. Uh ... not all
of us but 90% perhaps. So blind.
Scsi2
"James Knott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
> >
> > Voila! Mkisofs is installed into /usr/local/bin.
> > Make sure that you do not burn copyrighted music to your CDs as it is
> > bad for your soul and for the recording industry profits.
>
> FWIW, Canadians can now legally copy copyrighted music, for their own
> use. The copyright owners get reimbersed through a levy the government
> slapped on blank CDs, audio cassettes etc.
>
> --
> Replies sent via e-mail to this address will be promptly ignored.
> To reply, replace everything to the left of "@" with "james.knott".
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Wilkins)
Subject: gdb warning
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:14:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
When i run gdb, I get warning: unable to find dynamic linker
breakpoint function.
GDB will be unable to debug shared library initializers and track
explicitly loaded dynamic code.
I have installed the latest gdb and gcc.
Minimally, to duplicate this error, I compile with:
g++ -g test.cpp
Then to debug, I run:
gdb a.out
In the debugger when I try to run, is when I get the error.
Anybody care to point out what the cause of this is ?
Thanks in advance for a prompt reply.
Best regards,
Charles Wilkins
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Subject: Re: Start bash along with X
Date: 28 May 2001 16:18:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
"Peter T. Breuer" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Jesper Petersen <jesperp**Delete**@nork.auc.dk> wrote:
>> How do I make bash start automatically when I start X?
>
> You don't mean that.
> "bash" is a shell language. It runs all the time in your computer,
> in lots and lots of different processes. It certainly runs when you
> start X, because the initrc and xdm scripts are shell scripts.
> What are you really asking?
> Maybe: "how do I make bash my login shell"? Or "how do I get xterms
> to run my login shell"?
Maybe: "how do I make a bash shell/xterm start auto when I start X?"
--
Merci........Yvan Pour le plein air: Club Vertige
http://www.ncf.ca/vertige
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From: Jeffrey Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Button Graphics in X...
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:19:14 GMT
I just reinstalled RedHat 6.2 on a laptop trying to save space... and
installed the basic fwmn window manager, as well as icewm, and -tried- to
cut out all of the unnesscary packages... fwmn looks fine, but icewm has
all of the buttons showing as either black or streaked... also, gvim 5.7
has the same problem... other apps seem to be fine...
I am thinking that I must have missed a graphics lib or something...
does anyone have any ideas as to what it might be... ??? All of the
buttons actually work fine, but it is just the graphics that are
missing...
Thanks in advance...
JH
--
Jeffrey Hood
HM Consulting, Inc.
jhood [you-know-why] at hmcon.com
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "export" problems
Date: 28 May 2001 19:05:07 +0300
Joe Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've recently installed QT into /usr/local/qt
>
> $QTDIR points to /ust/lib/qt
>
> How do I change it? /etc/profile contains no reference to it.
See if you have file /etc/profile.d/qt.sh
--
Markku Kolkka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP Question RH 7.1
Date: 28 May 2001 19:00:49 +0300
Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Did I say anything about expecting anyone to reboot? I told the OP how to
> make the change permanent.
chkconfig _does_ make a permanent change in the configuration, without
any manual editing.
> If you had
> paid the least attention, you would have seen the instruction to effect the
> change RIGHT NOW.
If you had paid a little more attention you would have seen that I
gave instructions for BOTH starting the service immediately (service
... start) AND making the change permanent (chkconfig ... on)
--
Markku Kolkka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP Question RH 7.1
Date: 28 May 2001 19:02:55 +0300
"Chiz1206" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can't you also turn it on using Linuxconf?
RH 7.1 doesn't install Linuxconf by default, but if you have it
installed you can use it as well.
> > > Lamar Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >> Just installed RH 7.1 and am trying to get FTP working.
--
Markku Kolkka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: william <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:30:12 -0000
Christopher Fairbairn wrote:
>
> william wrote:
>
> > Does anyone out there know of a linux that is not made for nerds and
> > geeks? I've trying for a month to install corel and as a last resort
> > zipslack.
>
> What's wrong, what error message are you seeing? What doesn't work? How
far
> do you get?
> Hi Christopher: Thank you for your reply. You are right on all counts.
I was looking for a car that I could get in and drive it, without opening t
hood and tuning up the car,putting in oil,sparkplugs,and every else to
get the car going.
I have 2 comp's. One is my good one and the other is a IBM thinkpad 500
which I have had since 1993. It has 12mb ram,810 mb HD. On this machine I
I have installed win3.1 then upgraded to win95 and I have not had one bit
of problem with it. I thought I would have some fun and install Linux os on
it. It has been a disaster.
I have corel 2nd edition CD. When I try to run it, a message comes up and
says it can't run in DOS mode. I made a boot disk(boot1440.img) and
when I run the floppy, it says the same thing "this does not run in DOS
mode".
I reformatted my HD and installed just DOS. and I still can't get anything.
I download zipslack.zip on my other machine on a zip disk and tried to
install it on my thinkpad, and that wasn't any better.
But I'm not giving up.
Thanks
> Is there an incompatability with some of your hardware? For that matter
> what hardware are you trying to install upon?
>
> Without that sort of information people can't really help you.
>
> Some of us could probably tell you of horror stories about trying to
> install other OSes as well.
>
> > If linux is so great and powerful why hasen't some smart guy did
> > what gates did and start out with a Linux 1.0 like the win3.1 which
was a
> > piece of
> > cake to install.
>
> Because that "smart guy" sees that a problem that would be, and would
> probably prefer the current situation.....
>
> Also make the differentiation between a distrbution of the Linux OS and
the
> Linux Kernel it self....
>
> > Put the disks in drive a:\ and type setup.
>
> That would only work on machines whihc have DOS pre-installed, how well
> would that work if you were trying to install it on your MAC, Acron or
> Atari etc etc...?
>
> Linux isn't meant to only install from machines which have DOS
> pre-installed, and in fact it works really well on processors/computing
> platforms where DOS will never work..
>
> I don't see the point here. I've always had really easy installs.
>
> I simply place a bootable CD in my CDROM drive, reboot and click "next"
> quite a few times. Although I am presented with quite a few options you
can
> usually get a quite workable machine by just selecting the defaults.
>
> > But no, they had to make hard so the comp geeks can have ball sitting
in
> > front of their comp for 12 hrs.
>
> Two different operating systems, designed for two different worlds....
> Linux is designed to be flexable/customiasable and utimatly tunable.
>
> The people which invest huge amounts of time (with the normal being
unpaid)
> in developing it are warrented to make it work the way they desire and
to
> solve their problems.
>
> If it doesn't suit your goals/desires in an OS, then don't use it. Can't
> understand the way in which the OS works, look for one which you do, or
> look for one which better matches your desires in an OS.
>
> > I mean, is it such a big deal for all these comp buffs to make a simple
> > Type a:\install or setup?
>
> Again, a similiar process does work for myself. Place a CD in the drive
and
> reboot...
>
> What isn't working for yourself? How can I help you in getting your
> installation working? Without details no one can help you..
>
> > All I hear about is what a great OS linux is.
>
> As so the OS have earnt that reputation.
>
> > If somebody wanted to make
> > gates squirm just a tiny bit why didn't they follow what he did and
make
> > it easy for the common folk to install Linux.
>
> I have no ellusions that such a distribution will exist one day. The
point
> of the matter at the moment is that the "typical Linux user" is
attracted
> to it for the flexability it provides.
>
> I personally got attracted to the OS for its "rich" development
> environment. If having compilers such as GCC wasn't enough, the fact
that I
> can retarget these to other platforms (such as my embedded 68332 board)
> made it a lot more "sweet" for me.
>
> This is probably not what the typical home desktop OS is like. A typical
> home desktop OS will not have many choices during install.
>
> It would be pretty much, you get this word processor, this desktop
> environment. Also in most cases most of these configuration files would
be
> "locked out" for the average user - want to use a different desktop
> environment (perhaps KDE vs GNOME) tough luck, that's not what's
> provided.......
>
> How about changing the MTU value of a TCP/IP connection under Windows? I
> think the major difference is not that such things can't be done, but
> simply that under Windows they are usually hidden under regstry keys etc
> etc, while under Linux they are very much visable as settings in
> configuration files or scripts etc.
>
> Whens the last time you tried upgrading a single part of a Microsoft OS,
> without being provided with a "patch" from Microsoft? This works fine in
> that case, since there is only one development team working on the OS.
>
> However under the "Linux model" which is inheriently distributed, there
is
> no one team with ultamate control over all distributions of Linux.
> Different distributions are free to implement things the way they feel.
>
> The reason why Linux can sometimes seem difficult is because of the
> overriding fact that different people like different things.
>
> This can be shown in so many ways.... The typical desktop user would
look
> at the webservers available under Linux and say why are there so many
> options?
>
> Why would I want khttpd, apache and httpd (and a whole lot of other
> options) when they all basically do the same thing?
>
> A Linux user would appreciate the differences between the different
> webservers and use the one which best fits there goals.
>
> Once again, I extend the offer to you,
> Provide us with some information, and perhaps we can help you.
>
> I am sure that after getting through your current problems you will
start
> to appreciate the power of a Linux based OS. It's not something that can
be
> learnt overnight, but then what other OS have you learnt everything
there
> is to know about it, in one night?
>
> Christopher Fairbairn.
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carlie Coats)
Crossposted-To: redhat.general,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Kwrite for Gnome?
Date: 28 May 2001 06:23:53 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check out nedit. ( http://www.nedit.org/ ) It is not written
> specifically for Gnome, but will work fine under it.
Agreed.
nedit is now GPL'ed OpenSource. (it used to be under a more restrictive
license from FermiLab, but they opened it up.)
It has excellent syntax support for all the languages I write in,
and is cross-platform to almost any platform you will want to run
on (even inlcuding Mac and MS).
fwiw
--Carlie Coats
North Carolina Supercomputing Center
> LRW wrote:
> >
> > I LOVE KDE's kwrite as a super-notepad; but I can't quite find something
> > like that in Gnome's applications. What I mean is, kwrite allows you to
> > change color tagging depending on what style you want--HTML, Pearl, C,
> > etc, and I LOVE that. But I can't find that feature in either of Gnome's
> > native word editers.
...
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From: Lamar Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Help, error msg. on boot up
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:52:10 GMT
Christopher Albert wrote:
> Lamar Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I am running RH 7.1. The power went out at my house and my Linux system
> > went down the hard way. When I started the system back up after the power
> > came back on I got the following error msg.:
> >
> > Checking Root filesystem
> > / contains a file system with errors, check forced
> > /:
> > UNATTACHED inode 24577
> > /: unexpected inconsistency; RUN fsck manually.
> > (i.e., without -a or -p options)
> > *** An error occurred during the file system check.
> > *** Dropping you to a shell; the system will reboot
> > *** when you leave the shell.
> > Give ROOT password for maintenance
> > (or type Control-D for normal startup):
> >
> > After I type in the ROOT password I get a command prompt saying "filesystem
> > #1". When I type "fsck" the command prompt changes to "filesystem #2". I
> > repeated this all the way to "filesystem #250". That's where I stopped. As
> > far as I know, it would have gone on forever!
> >
> > When I run the "shutdown -h now" command and restart my system I get the
> > same problem. Anyone know how I can get my system back up and running?
> > Thanks for any and all help.
> >
> > Lamar
>
> Lamar
>
> Try it with
> #fsck -y /dev/hdxx
>
> where /dev/hdxx corresponds to the partitions that need checking, which
> will give a "yes" answer to all the questions.
>
> Chris
Thanks Chris,
But I didn't know which partition(s) needed checking because the error didn't
tell me. However, after hours of looking I found this command that checks ALL
partitions: "#fsck -A -V ; == $? ==". That worked. Thanks for your help.
Lamar
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From: Stephen J. Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Image Management Software
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:56:33 +0100
Hello all,
I don't know if this is REALLY the right newsgroup but I will try.
I am looking for a piece of software that can manage collections of
images that are stored on removable media. I am thinking that the
thumnails would be stored on a hard drive.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks.
Stephen.
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From: David Grogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Image Management Software
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:04:06 -0400
Go to freshmeat.net, type thumbnail in the search and you'll get plenty of
choices. I know that I've seen many implementations of this on freshmeat, so
you should be able to find one that suits your needs and preferences pretty
well.
DG
"Stephen J. Thompson" wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I don't know if this is REALLY the right newsgroup but I will try.
>
> I am looking for a piece of software that can manage collections of
> images that are stored on removable media. I am thinking that the
> thumnails would be stored on a hard drive.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Stephen.
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