Linux-Misc Digest #15, Volume #26                Thu, 12 Oct 00 19:13:01 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Using the dos version of dd... (Joe)
  Re: What is System.map ? (Steve Wampler)
  Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (The Ghost In The Machine)
  LILO version 21.6 released (John in SD)
  Re: Netscape problem on attaching a doc file in email (Te-Cheng Shen)
  install new fonts (Te-Cheng Shen)
  Are you happy with RH 7.0? (Carl Benson)
  how to invoke StarOffice Writer in commmand line? (Te-Cheng Shen)
  Re: how to invoke StarOffice Writer in commmand line?
  Re: Dialing in VPN with Linux (Andrew Purugganan)
  Re: MS archive extraction tool ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Using the dos version of dd... (Spicerun)
  Re: Anybody get Netscape 6 Preview 3 to install? (Spicerun)
  Re: Wow, someone sure hates Loki Games... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: What is System.map ? (RogerB)
  Re: Microsoft's Anti Linux Page (Tony Lawrence)
  Re: two tiny questions (Robert Heller)
  Re: SCSI HD, Red Hat 6.2, No can see (Robert Heller)
  Re: How do I install Win95 without stuffing up my MBR? (Robert Heller)
  Re: Lilo not found in MBR Dell Poweredge RAID (Robert Heller)

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From: Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using the dos version of dd...
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:10:05 -0000


Little Paul wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <uVg7qAENAHA.305@net025s>,
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:00:26 GMT, Little Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > I've gone and got myself a copy of unix95.zip which contains dd.exe
> > > which is essentially dd for dos.
> >
> > huh? I thought 'rawrite' was the dos version of 'dd'..
> 
> AFAIK rawrite writes images to disk, but I also need to be able to
> create the images in dos in the first place.  If rawrite can do this
> can someone please tell me how!
> 
> --
> The Little Paul with the Big Kitbag
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

Use WinImage to create floppy images of all different sizes. 
http://www.winimage.com/  The program is shareware but if you really need 
to create images on Win 9.x or NT/2000 it is worth the cost.


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From: Steve Wampler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: What is System.map ?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:35:27 -0700

"J.Smith" wrote:
> 
> The programs that *do* need the existence of system.map, will they be
> looking for /boot/system.map, or are they able to figure out that kernel.1 &
> system.map.1, kernel.2 & system.map.2 belong together? Does it make sense to
> change a symlink system.map to the correct system.map every time the system
> gets booted? Or are these programs primarly debugging tools that allow you
> to specify the correct system.map on the command line?

Rather than symlink, tell the kernel via /etc/lilo.conf, as in:

image=/boot/vmlinuz.new
        label=new
        root=/dev/hda1
        append="map=/boot/System.map.new"
        read-only

I suspect that is sufficient on most systems.

--
Steve Wampler-  SOLIS Project, National Solar Observatory
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:44:14 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote
on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:49:38 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:44:17 GMT, Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:46:44 GMT, 
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:27:23 -0600, David Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>conducted with an entirely different philosophy than Windows. Also, Windows
>>>>95/98 and, yes, Me are still running on top of a real mode MS-DOS, no matter
>>>>how much MS may try to say that they are OSes, they are not, the DOS
>>>>underneath is the OS with a protected mode 32bit GUI on top of it. I will
>>>
>>>Not quite.  DOS has never been an operating system;  it is just a program loader
>>>and file system.
>>>
>>>Calling DOS an OS because it loads first is like calling lilo an operating
>>>system.
>>
>>DOS is an operating system. It provides file and memory services, and in general
>>acts as an interface between the system and applications. That's what an OS
>>does. The analogy between LILO and DOS doesn't really hold water. 
>
>No it doesn't.  Just about every DOS application ever written has to talk
>directly to the hardware to get anything done.
>
>My comparison to DOS and LILO holds perfectly well.  Once windoze/9x loads, dos
>is out of the picture.  Windoze 9x doesn't even use dos hardly anything.

Incorrect.  There are a few not-so-essential services that Win95
vectors down to DOS -- time of day, for one, if memory serves.

Of course, most of the Win95 calls are vectored away from DOS.
Protected-mode interrupt gates are interesting things.... :-)

>
>You might as well call the BIOS an OS if you really DOS
>can be considered an OS.
>DOS has a file system and can load programs but that's about it.

True enough, admittedly.

-- 
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From: John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LILO version 21.6 released
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:10:57 GMT

LILO release 21.6 is based upon Werner Almesberger's LILO version 21.

Version 21.6 is an upgrade for users of the Reiser File System, and adds
new diagnostic capabilities.  Internal changes allow booting kernels with
larger real-mode setup codes (2.4.0 and later).  This version is fully
backward compatible with version 21.5, which added the customizable boot
menu interface, and versions back to 21.2, which allowed booting beyond
the 1024 cylinder limit on disks >8Gb.

Source code is available for download from:

   ftp://brun.dyndns.org/pub/linux/lilo          (developer's site)

Or from the main distribution site:

    http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo 


See the distribution file 'CHANGES' for details of the differences between
21.6 and prior releases.


--John Coffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


P.S.  As of the time of this announcement, the main distribution site at
http://www.ibiblio.org  had not yet been updated.


LILO version 21.6 (04-Oct-2000) source at
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo

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From: Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape problem on attaching a doc file in email
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:16:18 -0700

That is the problem.
Thank you

> Check your sent box and retrieve your sent email with the Word
> attachment.  Does it look OK?
> It might be a Word problem. Word 95 cannot read Word 97 files.
>
> Te-Cheng Shen wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >     When I sent other people with an Word attachment  in it using
> > Netscape 4.72. Other parties could not read this attached file. I am
> > pretty sure this file is complete because I copied this file using
> > floppy then Word can read it without any problems.
> >     Sometimes I received emails attached with Windate formate. Can
> > anyone tell me what's this?
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> > STC


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From: Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: install new fonts
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:18:22 -0700

Hello
    I have to questions
    (1) where to download free fonts for Linux?
    (2) Once I installed new fonts, how can I tell Acrobat to use these
new fonts to display better and print nice document?

    I do not know where to ask the second one. Please accept my apology
if this is not an appropriate news group.

Thanks

STC


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From: Carl Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Are you happy with RH 7.0?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:22:21 -0700

I finally got all my systems upgraded to RH 6.2 plus patches,
some with kernel 2.2.16. Along came RH 7.0, and I thought I
ought to get cracking and try it out.

After upgrading my desktop system to 7.0, I felt that

(1) "Sawfish" is damned annoying compared to "Enlightenment",
and I wouldn't want to have to explain it to my user community.

(2) In general, everything seemed to run slower.

(3) There was no huge jump in the kernel version.

Being the fickle guy I am, I pulled the plug on that and
re-installed RH 6.2. I'm happy again.

What I want to know is, are you happy with RH 7.0? Do you
feel like it was a substantial and worthwhile improvement
over 6.2?

If you administer multiple (like 10 or more) Linux systems,
do you plan to upgrade them to 7.0, or are you maybe going
to wait for 7.1?

--
Carl Benson   Unix/Linux System Administrator

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From: Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to invoke StarOffice Writer in commmand line?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:20:35 -0700

Hello
    I know how to invoke StarOffice but I can not figure out a way to
just invoke StarOffice Writer. I want to do this because I can read doc
files on the internet directly.

Thanks

STC


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: how to invoke StarOffice Writer in commmand line?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:36:17 GMT

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:20:35 -0700, Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello
>    I know how to invoke StarOffice but I can not figure out a way to
>just invoke StarOffice Writer. I want to do this because I can read doc
>files on the internet directly.

shellprompt> soffice <file(s) to open>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Dialing in VPN with Linux
Date: 12 Oct 2000 21:56:15 GMT

i also got some info from 
http://www.impsec.org/linux/masquerade/ip_masq_vpn.htm

--
jazz 
Registered linux user no. 164098  +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS archive extraction tool
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:10:54 -0700

On or about Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:12:33 GMT, Daniel C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
scrivened:
> fred smith wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> i'm wondering can anyone point me to a Linux tool that can extract files
>> from these .EXE self-extracting windoze programs MS distributes their
>> software in. I've downloaded some free fonts from the MS web site and
>> of course they encode them in that form. They are not zip or lharc files.
>> 
>> I vaguely recall seeing a reference to such a program a year or more
>> ago but now cannot find it.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Fred
>> 
> hi fred
> something.exe is a zip format. it is a self-extracting zip file.
> a good archiver should recognize it.

Wrong.

*.EXE is a Windows executable.  It *might* be a self extracting ZIP
file, it could be just about anything else.

File extentions ***DON'T*** tell you the contents or type of the file.
They're indicators, but poor ones at that.

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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using the dos version of dd...
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:30:34 -0500

Little Paul wrote:

> I've gone and got myself a copy of unix95.zip which contains dd.exe
> which is essentially dd for dos.
>
> I would like to use it for making floppy images for easier distribution
> of boot disks at work, however as I dont (officially) have a linux
> box at work I'm stuck using dos.
>
> In linux I would normally use
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img
> to create an image file
>
> and
> dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0
>
> to write it back to a floppy.  However this doesn't work with the dos
> version as dos doesn't know anything about /dev/fd0...
> if=a:
> if=a:\
> if="a:"
> if="a:\"

Try dd if=floppy.img of=//a

I'm thinking that if Unix95 interprets like Cygwin tools does (Cygnus'
free Unix tools for Windows with a bash shell and gcc), then the a: would
translate to //a.




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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody get Netscape 6 Preview 3 to install?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:24:56 -0500

Dave wrote:

> On 12 Oct 2000 09:14:25 -0500, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I can't get Netscape6 to install.  Downloaded the install but when I
> >try to unzip it I get an error from tar.  I've cut and pasted the gzip
> >-dc | tar -xvf line from the readme file but it doesn't work.
>
> I figured it out.   The f option is not needed on the tar command.
> Netscape needs to fix their doco!
>
> Dave

Or you need to put back the trailing dash you left off of the command.
The command should be:

gzip -dc (file) | tar -xvf -

Without the trailing dash after the '-xvf ' you will have problems.  The
Netscape documentation correctly tells you this (I think it also has a
note in parenthesis warning not to leave off the trailing dash).




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Wow, someone sure hates Loki Games...
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:16:06 GMT

What a jerk! Spitting on Loki only hurts the cause of getting games
ported to Linux. DUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....

So he won't buy from Loki no more... WAH WAH WAH.


In article <8s587u$4dc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Check out this kuro5hin article on Loki... either this guy got burned
or
> he's got a major bug up his *ahem*...
>
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/10/11/17627/363
>
> Afterburner... because I burned out *after* you.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RogerB)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: What is System.map ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:07:53 GMT

        I think it looks for the version in the files. Like D Version_151998
or something.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:20:32 +0200, J.Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>So when I have two kernels installed, I also get two System.map files, and
>each one is specific for the kernel it was compiled with? So once the kernel
>loads, it looks for the file named 'System.map' in the /boot dir?
>
>Ok, but how does the kernel know which System.map to use then, if for
>example we have 2 kernels in /boot, like:
>
>A) "vmlinuz.2.2.13 & System.map.2.2.13"
>B) "vmlinuz.2.2.16 & System.map.2.2.16"
>
>Does it 'autodetect' it by filename extension?
>Do I have to make a symlink to 'System.map' each time I want to boot a
>different kernel?
>Can I tell the bootloader to select a different system.map for each kernel?
>
>
>Is this stuff covered in a HOWTO? I couldnt find it, but then again, maybe I
>havent searched well enough :)
>
>
>Thanks for any info anyone might have on this.
>
>
>
>"Vilmos Soti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "J.Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > I just did a kernel compile on my linux system, and noticed, besides the
>> > bzImage of course, a file called 'System.map'. I know I have to copy it
>to
>> > my /boot dir, just like the kernel image, but I was just wondering what
>this
>> > file exactly *is* and what it is needed for. Does lilo need it? Is it
>needed
>> > for loadable modules?
>>
>> System.map is a "map" of your kernel. It says the entry points of
>> the functions you compiled into your kernel.
>>
>> Vilmos
>
>

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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft's Anti Linux Page
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:40:06 -0400

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I don't know if anyone's looked at this page before (It's currently on
> Slashdot).
> 
> 'Linux cannot deliver on the hype', indeed...


If Linux truly could not deliver, and truly was as pathetic as
Microsoft would like it to be, then Microsoft wouldn't even
bother to put up such a page.

Actually, it's great that Microsoft attacks Linux.  As someone
once said about newspaper articles, say anything you want, just
spell the name right- the point being that any attack makes folks
aware that there *is* something else out there, that if Microsoft
thinks it necessary to bash Linux on these points maybe there are
other points where Microsoft is really at a disadvantage, etc.

Most sales folks know that you do not mention your competitors
unless you absolutely have to.  If there is any chance your
customer doesn't know your competitors, you sure don't want to
help them find out, do you?  Yet that's just what Microsoft is
doing, so they must feel very very threatened..

Personally, if Billy-boy screws up and loses everything, I'll
shed no tears :-)


-- 
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SCO/Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests, 
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com

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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: two tiny questions
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:45:34 -0000

  Christian Wenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  In a message on Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:19:19 +0200, wrote :

CW> after upgrading my system to kernel 2.2.16 i found in my /etc/fstab this
CW> line:
CW> none /proc proc defaults 0 0
CW> is this correct ??? i mentioned that previously this line looks like:
CW> /proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
CW> whats the differnts or what is rigth ??
CW> 
CW> second question, i found under /proc very big sized files
CW>  /proc/kcore and /proc/kcore_elf
CW> whats the purpose of these files ???

/proc/kcore == All of your phsical RAM.  sizeof(/proc/kcore) ==
sizeof(RAM).

*NONE* of the 'files' under /proc exist on disk.  They are all files
that access kernel data structures in some fashion.  Many are faked as
text files, allowing the user to snoop on what the kernel believes is
going on.

CW> 
CW> 
CW>                                                                                    
              






                    
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI HD, Red Hat 6.2, No can see
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:45:35 -0000

  "Web Enthusiast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  In a message on Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:33:08 -0400, wrote :

"E> Linux Newbie here
"E> 
"E> Tried installing Red Hat 6.2 from a burnt CD onto
"E> a SCSI Hard Drive (Worked Sucessfully from 
"E> IDE Hard Drive) but to no avail. Does not even 
"E> detect SCSI adapter Adaptec AH 1542
"E> 
"E> Can anyone point me to a resource that can help
"E> 
"E> Thanks
"E> 
"E>                                                                  

The AHA 1542 is an ISA controller -- ISA controllers cannot be
auto-detected like the PCI ones.  The system *should* ask if you have
any SCSI controllers and you should select YES, then it will ask what
module and give a list of possible modules.  Select aha1542.  At least
this is what RH 5.2 and RH 6.1 do.  I have installed RH 6.1 on a box
with an AHA 1542C (and one with a AHA 1540B) -- I assume that RH 6.2
has not been 'broken'.  So the trick is: you need to *manually* select
the SCSI card, since it won't be auto detected.





                                              
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I install Win95 without stuffing up my MBR?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:45:37 -0000

  Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  In a message on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:16:45 +0000, wrote :

JG> Now, please, please, stop throwing bricks at me.
JG> I write educational software (sort of) and not 
JG> everybody uses Linux. I have so far held back on
JG> installing Win9x, because I was warned it would
JG> take over my MBR and I'd end up in deep shit.
JG> 
JG> Now,
JG> 
JG> I have two hard disks. Each is bootable, DOS6.22
JG> and Win3.1,  and Linux resides on hdb14.
JG> 
JG> I would like to upgrade one of my Win3.1 copies
JG> to Win95. I was warned by the colleague who gave
JG> me his copy of Win95  that Win95 would "try and
JG> take over my system". Good-bye LILO, I have to
JG> restore the MBR, but I'd  rather keep all this to
JG> a minimum  of hassles. My  question is: if I  upgrade
JG> the copy of Win3.1 on my second physical hard disk,
JG> will Win95 stuff up my MBR (which, I assume, lives
JG> on my first hard disk?).
JG> 
JG> It's not funny, you know. I  do not want to install
JG> Win95, but I have to. There are  too many people 
JG> out there who have never even *seen* a  DOS command
JG> line.
JG> 
JG> Any suggestions, any help, any horror stories you
JG> may contribute are really, really, welcome.

Win95 will probably trash the MBR.  It will think that LILO is a Boot
Sector Virus or some such nonsense.

Here is what you do.  Boot up Linux and make a boot floppy:

bash# mkbootdisk `uname -r`

Now properly shutdown Linux and upgrade Mess-Windows according to the
instructions... 

If the MBR is tossed, boot up with the boot floppy and re-run lilo to
re-install lilo on the MBR.

JG> 
JG> Thank you in advance.
JG>                                                    






                                                                                       
         
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo not found in MBR Dell Poweredge RAID
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:45:38 -0000

  Rob Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  In a message on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:02:53 -0400, wrote :

RC> This is a  tough  one.  Sorry for the length.  It is necessary.
RC> 
RC> I have a Dell  Poweredge 4400 w 6 36bb drives configured RAID 5
RC> (actually two identical machines).   The machine originally had RedHat
RC> 6.2 preloaded on it. When I received the machines, the partitions were
RC> out of whack, so I decided to reinstall.  I remade the container and
RC> scrubbed the disks and proceeded with the install.  Note that this is
RC> hardware RAID, so there should be no issues with raidtab, etc.
RC> 
RC> Once I acquired the proper controller (Dell Percraid) I was able to do
RC> an expert install,  fdisk, and load everything.  The only trouble came
RC> when the machine rebooted.  Instead of going into LILO, I received the
RC> Hit F1 to retry boot or F2 to enter setup message.  At this point  I can
RC> boot with the boot floppy I created, and can traverse the entire
RC> filesystem, run commands, etc.   this leads me to believe the problem
RC> lies entriely with MBR.  Here are some of the things I have tried:

Random thought question:

        What does the *BIOS* think of your disks?  Does the BIOS see one
logical RAID set or does it see several plain SCSI disks?

        Does the BIOS even know how to boot from a RAID set?  The 'Hit
F1 to retry boot or F2 to enter setup message.' message looks like a
variant of the old 'NO SYSTEM DISK FOUND. ENTER SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS
RETURN.' message -- i.e. the BIOS is not seeing the disk or is not
seeing a bootable disk.

RC> 
RC> In bios/Raid configuration I created a non-RAID volume during one
RC> attempt, on which to place /boot.  This didn't work, and Dell and Red
RC> Hat both told me I should be able to use the entire RAID array.
RC> 
RC> I ran /sbin/lilo after boot--no effect.
RC> 
RC> I tried re-scrubbing drives-no effect.
RC> 
RC> Tried  mounting boot as separate partition, and not doing so.  No
RC> difference.
RC> 
RC> Upon Dell's suggestion, I tried not creating a boot disk (uh huh--going
RC> through motions)  No.  (Dell was full of helpful suggestions--like why
RC> don't you try it again and call us back, or suggesting drivers that
RC> wouldn't even allow the hard drives to be recognized.)
RC> 
RC> Red Hat suggested I try loading 7.0, saying it should solve the issue.
RC> Same result.
RC> 
RC> Below is my lilo.conf
RC> boot=/dev/sda
RC> map=/boot/map
RC> install=/boot/boot.b
RC> prompt
RC> timeout=50
RC> message=/boot/message
RC> linear
RC> default=linux
RC> 
RC> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22enterprise
RC>         label=linux
RC>         initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-22enterprise.img
RC>         read-only
RC>         root=/dev/sda2
RC> 
RC> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22smp
RC>         label=linux-smp
RC>         initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-22smp.img
RC>         read-only
RC>         root=/dev/sda2
RC> 
RC> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22
RC>         label=linux-up
RC>         initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-22.img
RC>         read-only
RC>         root=/dev/sda2
RC> 
RC> (The enterprise section is a product of 7.0 .  6.2 liloconf is the same
RC> sans the enterprise section.)
RC> 
RC> Here is df output after floppy boot:
RC> 
RC> Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used    Available     Use% Mounted
RC> on
RC> /dev/sda2                 1011960     76004          884548
RC> 8%         /
RC> /dev/sda1                     54416        9150             42457
RC> 18%      /boot
RC> /dev/sda5              30241928          200      28705516
RC> 1%       /home
RC> /dev/sda8                 4032092            20       3827248
RC> 1%      /opt
RC> /dev/sda11            40321996            20      38273692
RC> 1%      /oracle
RC> /dev/sda9                 1011928            60          960464
RC> 1%      /tmp
RC> /dev/sda7                 5044156   1933592     2854332        41%
RC> /usr
RC> /dev/sda6                 1011928     32660          927864
RC> 4%      /var
RC> 
RC> Ihave installed the 2 systems a combined 20 times, and am past being
RC> mad.  I would certainly NOT recommend Dell products to
RC> anyone who wishes to run Linux (I know, should have checked VA)  They
RC> have since passed me on to Redhat, who are being quite slow in their
RC> promise to load a poweredge and try to duplicate my problem.    Any help
RC> would be appreciated.
RC> 
RC> Rob Carlson
RC> 
RC> 
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