Linux-Misc Digest #16, Volume #26 Thu, 12 Oct 00 22:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Lilo not found in MBR Dell Poweredge RAID (Robert Heller)
Re: LILO version 21.6 released (Rudi Sluijtman)
Maximum swap partition size? (Timothy J. Lee)
PPTP/VPN question ("Micer")
Re: Kernel 2.2.16 (RedHat7.0) and parallel CD-RW (Dances With Crows)
via82cxxx ("Olivier Brucker")
Re: Are you happy with RH 7.0? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Are you happy with RH 7.0? (Spicerun)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Larry Ebbitt)
Re: Microsoft's Anti Linux Page (Larry Ebbitt)
Embedded linux: syncronizing system time w/o onboard HW clock ("Jim Fischer")
Re: via82cxxx (Rod Smith)
BSD Utils for Linux (Shane Simmons)
Re: Should I jump into Linux? (Tony Lawrence)
Re: apt-get with rpm? (MaryP)
Re: upgrade RPM (Kurt Schneider)
PageMaker type program? ("Michael J. Sherman")
Re: rpm (Kurt Schneider)
Re: Financial software ~ Quickbooks Pro ~ Linux? (Christopher Browne)
Re: my /dev/mouse->psaux is corrupt, help!!! (Al)
Re: rpm (Jem Berkes)
Re: my /dev/mouse->psaux is corrupt, help!!! (Al)
Re: Are you happy with RH 7.0? (E J)
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo not found in MBR Dell Poweredge RAID
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:45:39 -0000
Rob Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:21:06 -0400, wrote :
RC> Eric wrote:
RC>
RC> > Rob Carlson wrote:
RC> > >
RC> > > This is a tough one. Sorry for the length. It is necessary.
RC> > >
RC> > > I have a Dell Poweredge 4400 w 6 36bb drives configured RAID 5
RC> > > (actually two identical machines). The machine originally had RedHat
RC> > > 6.2 preloaded on it. When I received the machines, the partitions were
RC> > > out of whack, so I decided to reinstall. I remade the container and
RC> > > scrubbed the disks and proceeded with the install. Note that this is
RC> > > hardware RAID, so there should be no issues with raidtab, etc.
RC> > >
RC> > > Once I acquired the proper controller (Dell Percraid) I was able to do
RC> > > an expert install, fdisk, and load everything. The only trouble came
RC> > > when the machine rebooted. Instead of going into LILO, I received the
RC> > > Hit F1 to retry boot or F2 to enter setup message. At this point I can
RC> > > boot with the boot floppy I created, and can traverse the entire
RC> > > filesystem, run commands, etc. this leads me to believe the problem
RC> > > lies entriely with MBR. Here are some of the things I have tried:
RC> > >
RC> > > In bios/Raid configuration I created a non-RAID volume during one
RC> > > attempt, on which to place /boot. This didn't work, and Dell and Red
RC> > > Hat both told me I should be able to use the entire RAID array.
RC> >
RC> > Still I suspect this to be the problem. I've seen these same messages
RC> > far to often on my DELL machine. They tend to occur here when I put an
RC> > extra drive on the IDE controller but haven't jumpered it correctly. On
RC> > a known good system this will make it unbootable (ofcourse :-) ). It has
RC> > nothing to do with lilo, which is probably perfectly written in the MBR,
RC> > and everything with your hardware configuration. The BIOS cannot find
RC> > the HDD/RAID array for some reason. Which reason it is, I cannot tell
RC> > you, I don't have any expierience with RAID arrays, but i suggest you
RC> > either check jumpers/connections or fix the BIOS settings if they are
RC> > wrong for whatever reason.
RC> >
RC> > Eric
RC>
RC> I would check jumpers, except it worked out of the box. It was only after
RC> reinstall that it failed. Very few settings in BIOS to change.
I would wonder just what Dell did. Some guesses (don't know if any of
these are possible:
1) Dell set aside one drive (#0) as plain drive (not part of a RAID set) and
put the other 5 into a RAID set. Put lilo on the MBR of the lone drive
and set up this drive as the root file system. Mounted the 5 disk RAID
set as something else (/usr, /raid, /home, ???).
2) Dell set up the RAID set differently than you have it (maybe RAID 1
and not RAID 5).
3) Dell used some other magic to set up lilo or the MBR. This might
include the requirement that you specificly some special geometry to
fdisk or the kernel on boot up -- this might be because of some total
insanity with the BIOS on the RAID controller -- without this, lilo
cannot find the MBR (as the BIOS sees it).
4) Dell set up the system with Linux's *software* RAID logic and NOT the
hardware RAID (yes, this is strange and rather dumb).
It might also be that there is some BIOS settings that needs to be
changed because you re-configured the RAID setup. It might also be that
you need to enter setup and let the BIOS have a look at the re-made RAID
setup and change its little mind and settle itself down -- i.e. the BIOS
has detected a change and won't boot until you hold its hand and show it
that everything is really OK and that you really, really meant to change
things and that it is not a boot sector virus or some other
MS-Windows-ish cracker attack or something.
RC>
RC>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: LILO version 21.6 released
From: Rudi Sluijtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:02:12 GMT
John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> LILO release 21.6 is based upon Werner Almesberger's LILO version 21.
Could you please provide us with, or point to, some documentation about
the usage of the "- Completely new menu-driven user interface."
Regards,
Rudi Sluijtman.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Maximum swap partition size?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is a valid address for a limited time)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:56:56 GMT
What is the maximum swap partition size of 2.2 kernels? 2.4 kernels?
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No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: "Micer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PPTP/VPN question
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:57:27 -0700
Is it possible from a Linux box that has PPTP/VPN connections to force
remote VPN users to use "MSCHAP", or alternatively to force them to use
"MSCHAP with data encryption".
Tests I have done indicate that you can use "any authentication including
clear text", but that's not a good idea security-wise.
In a worst-case scenario, can we log what encryption method the remote user
employs while connecting?
Thanks,
MICER
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.16 (RedHat7.0) and parallel CD-RW
Date: 12 Oct 2000 23:00:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12 Oct 2000 13:59:15 GMT, Erik Duisters wrote:
>Does anyone know how to compile kernel 2.2.16 in order to be able
>to use a parallel CD-RW?
>I had it working on older kernels, but with this one no such luck.
...try an earlier or later kernel. 2.2.16 appears fundamentally br0ken
wrt parallel-port devices; I had no luck at all trying to get it to
recognize parallel-port CD-RWs and ZIPs, despite performing all the
appropriate steps in the HOWTOs (which worked well on earlier kernels.)
Theoretically, all you should need is:
modprobe lp
modprobe paride
modprobe epat
modprobe pcd
modprobe pg
but no dice. I'd report on how 2.2.17 performs, but I have no
parallel-port devices atm to try it out on.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: "Olivier Brucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: via82cxxx
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:06:11 +0200
does anyone know how to install properly the sound when using a via chipset
(VIA VT82c686a integrated to the motherboard asus K7V) on a kernel 2.2.17 ?
(my problem is that the module via82cxxx can't be loaded ...)
thanks,
Yul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Are you happy with RH 7.0?
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:04:54 GMT
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:22:21 -0700, Carl Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>After upgrading my desktop system to 7.0, I felt that
>
>(1) "Sawfish" is damned annoying compared to "Enlightenment", and I
>wouldn't want to have to explain it to my user community.
You don't have to use this.
>(2) In general, everything seemed to run slower.
Didn't notice this at all. Maybe X configuration???
>(3) There was no huge jump in the kernel version.
I don't use RH kernels anyway...but I believe there are significant
new features like the USB backport.
>Being the fickle guy I am, I pulled the plug on that and
>re-installed RH 6.2. I'm happy again.
>
>What I want to know is, are you happy with RH 7.0? Do you
>feel like it was a substantial and worthwhile improvement
>over 6.2?
Yes, and yes. You ask for a value judgement. I'd say it is
'worthwhile' *for me*. But this depends on what you want/expect/need,
etc. One of my things is staying current, so upgrading always suits
me. YMMV.
>If you administer multiple (like 10 or more) Linux systems,
>do you plan to upgrade them to 7.0, or are you maybe going
>to wait for 7.1?
I don't, but if I did in some kind of production environment, I would
not unless there was a need. And then I would do one test box, and run
my critical stuff for a while to see what bugs/incompatabilites lurk
(and yes bugs are inevitable).
--
Hal B
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are you happy with RH 7.0?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:39:42 -0500
Carl Benson wrote:
> I finally got all my systems upgraded to RH 6.2 plus patches,
> some with kernel 2.2.16. Along came RH 7.0, and I thought I
> ought to get cracking and try it out.
>
> After upgrading my desktop system to 7.0, I felt that
>
> (1) "Sawfish" is damned annoying compared to "Enlightenment",
> and I wouldn't want to have to explain it to my user community.
Just curious, what's so annoying about "Sawfish" I'm running it now and
prefer it over "Enlightenment", including having more resources free
with sawfish. I do recall that I had to make some 'tweaks' to get
sawfish to look and behave like Enlightenment.
I run the Redhat 6.95 Beta.....don't think I'll be moving up to Redhat
7.0. I'm thinking Debian or Slackware's latest now for my next
'upgrade' (haven't ruled out Suse yet either). However, I think there
might be merit in waiting until the linux-2.4.0 kernel is released and
in the distros as well.
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:48:19 -0400
From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
>
> DOS is an operating system. It provides file and memory services, and in general
> acts as an interface between the system and applications. That's what an OS
> does. The analogy between LILO and DOS doesn't really hold water.
DOS doesn't really qualify as an OS. It is a set of executive programs.
There are ACM definitions of Operating Systems that are fairly well
accepted and DOS falls very short on resource management and scheduling.
--
Larry Ebbitt - Linux + OS/2 - Atlanta
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:53:31 -0400
From: Larry Ebbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft's Anti Linux Page
Tony Lawrence wrote:
>
> Personally, if Billy-boy screws up and loses everything, I'll
> shed no tears :-)
>
I'm in Georgia, and, if Billzebub were to screw up and lose
everything, I reckon I'd have to rtear some goal posts down.
Larry
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From: "Jim Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Embedded linux: syncronizing system time w/o onboard HW clock
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:36:15 -0700
I'm working with an EBSA-285 evaluation board [SA-110 "StrongARM" CPU w/
21285 core logic chip], and am currently running Linux version 2.4.0-test8
as the OS. The board is configured for "host bridge" [a.k.a., "central
function"] mode -- i.e., it is acting as the host bridge for the system.
None of the boards in the system have a hardware clock on them; so there's
no "built in" hardware clock that Linux can use to set/sync the system
clock. The EBSA-285 platform is connected to an isolated (no Internet
access) LAN via a 3Com NIC. The other hosts on the LAN are standard PCs
running both Win2K and Linux (various kernel versions). The EBSA-285 board
uses 'bootp' to obtain its IP address and then 'tftp' to download a
compressed kernel image from one of the Linux hosts on the LAN. The kernel
then uses an NFS mount point as the EBSA's root file system.
Here's the problem: Once each day, Linux on the EBSA-285 resets the system
clock back to the epoch date -- i.e., Jan 1, 1970. My guess is that the
kernel is attempting to update the system clock based on the hardware clock,
and since there is no hardware clock, the kernel simply resets the system
clock to the epoch date/time. As you can probably imagine, this is causing
all sorts of problems for programs that rely on time/date information.
Short of using something like NTP -- which seems excessively complex for
this situation -- is there any other way to sync the system clock on the
EBSA with a clock on one of the Win2K / Linux hosts on the LAN? Ideally, I'd
like the EBSA's linux kernel to obtain the hardware (or even system) clock
time from one of the other Linux hosts on the LAN, and then to use that
date/time info to update the EBSA's system clock date/time [kind-of a
virtual hardware clock]. [FWIW, I don't have the 'difftime' utility working
yet on the EBSA-285 platform.] Any suggestions, pointers to FAQs, HOWTOs,
etc., would be appreciated...
Jim Fischer
CPE/MSEE Grad Student
Cal Poly, SLO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: via82cxxx
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:46:16 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8s5g0r$mk9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Olivier Brucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> does anyone know how to install properly the sound when using a via chipset
> (VIA VT82c686a integrated to the motherboard asus K7V) on a kernel 2.2.17 ?
> (my problem is that the module via82cxxx can't be loaded ...)
In my experience (using both an ASUS K7V and a Compaq Presario
1200-XL106 notebook), the standard kernel drivers for this chipset are
pretty weak. You're much better off using the ALSA drivers
(http://www.alsa-project.org). These can be a nuisance to install (hint:
read the instructions. Read them again. Read them a third time for
luck), but once installed, they work pretty well.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Shane Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: BSD Utils for Linux
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:40:12 -0500
Please check out:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd-utils-aconf
and see if you can help. I need help setting up automake/autoconf
stuff....and I need help setting up a toplevel makefile. TIA! =)
--
Et tu, Cletus?
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should I jump into Linux?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:01:18 -0400
Osugi Sakae wrote:
> (I am not Tony, never met him, don't speak for him.)
I am, so I shall :-)
> Windows makes you go find some commercial program that may be
> too much or too little. Linux allows you to actually view your computer as
> a powerful, programmable tool, rather than a cross between a type writer
> and a VCR.
Yes: http://pcunix.com/Opinion/gdunix.html
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SCO/Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MaryP)
Subject: Re: apt-get with rpm?
Date: 13 Oct 2000 01:17:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mpulliam writes:
> > There is a thing called alias that's supposed to translate between
> > different packaging systems.
>
> It's called 'alien'.
Right, of course. I shouldn't answer newsgroups
too early in the morning.
MP
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From: Kurt Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: upgrade RPM
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:18:15 GMT
I feel your pain. I've been fight this one for a week.
I finally found a tar.gz source for rpm 4.0 at www.rpm.org, but it
requires db3 to be installed. I can't find that anywhere except in an
rpm that can only be extracted with rpm 4.0.
I'm very frustrated.
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From: "Michael J. Sherman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PageMaker type program?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:20:54 -0400
Hi,
Anyone have any recommendations for a Linux software
package closest to PageMaker in functionality?
Namely, 2D page layout with tex/graphics/layers/etc.
Thanks,
Michael Sherman
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From: Kurt Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rpm
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:36:32 GMT
I was having the same problem. I got rpm 3.0.5 installed, but now it
tells me that all of my new rpm's "don't appear to be rpm's".
I seem to have something really wrong! Help!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Financial software ~ Quickbooks Pro ~ Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:37:33 GMT
In our last episode (Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:03:56 GMT),
the artist formerly known as John-Paul Stewart said:
>Brett Randall wrote:
>> I am looking to totally replace Windows with Linux. I have been
>> working with, administrating, programming and hacking up linux for
>> around 4 years now, but not once have I found a reasonable
>> financial accounting package for small-to-medium businesses.
>>
>> I currently use QuickBooks Pro 6.0 for Windows, and I want most of
>> the same functionality in a Linux package. I don't mind paying for
>> it, it just needs to be proven to work well. I don't want to use
>> WINE emulation at this stage.
>Why don't you want to use WINE? From what i can gather on
>comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine QuickBooks seems to work as does
>Quicken 2000. Setup may to be a little tricky, but once you're past
>that, you're good to go. I have not yet tried Quicken 2000 under
>WINE myself--give me another week and I will--but from what I have
>read on the NG, it does appear to work.
This has two problems:
a) As noted, WINE is a bit tricky to get set up;
b) There is _no_ guarantee that it's a viable solution in the long
run.
The latter is quite important; Microsoft seems to be moving to having
applications depend heavily on COM+, which may be a bit more difficult
to appropriately emulate.
Thus, if you go with the last Win32-based version of QB, all may be
well. But if you run payroll, and need to keep QB up to date, it may
not be a viable answer _next_ year.
Now, there _are_ several commercial accounting packages that are
natively deployed on Linux, which eliminates the "how well are we
emulating today" issue.
How closely they compare to QB may be arguable; depends on your needs.
The one that is _likely_ most comparable is one from "Proven
Software." <http://provenacct.com/>
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "hex.net")
<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/finances.html>
"That's convenience, not cracker-proofing. Security is an emergent
property, not a feature." -- void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: my /dev/mouse->psaux is corrupt, help!!!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:32:34 GMT
Thanks for replying.
> console ..
>
> gpm -m /dev/psaux
>
I get : gpm: oops() from gpm.c (952)
and then
/dev/psaux: No such device
Any idea why????
Thank you much
> X
>
> /etc/X11/XF86.conf
>
> mouse = /dev/psaux
>
> thats all
>
> dennis
>
--
Viva Zapata!
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Before you buy.
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From: Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rpm
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:45:43 -0500
Kurt Schneider wrote:
>
> I was having the same problem. I got rpm 3.0.5 installed, but now it
> tells me that all of my new rpm's "don't appear to be rpm's".
>
> I seem to have something really wrong! Help!!!
See what version is reported when you type:
rpm -q rpm
==========
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DOS, Win32, Linux software
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From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: my /dev/mouse->psaux is corrupt, help!!!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:36:06 GMT
Yes, I have, but I think this is not a config problem, I think I have a
corupt driver or something.
I checked /proc/devices and /proc/misc and the lastone is mising a line
for 1 psaux.
Any ideas??
Thanks
> >
> > Hi.
> > Somehow my /dev/mouse->psaux got corrupt. How can I re-generate it?
> > when I try to start gpm manually I get: /dev/mouse no such device
> > when I try startx, no X, but a message: cannot open mouse(no such
> > device).
> > Any assistance will save my linux box from being tossed out through
the
> > window.
> > Thank you much
> > Alfredo
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> Have you tried "mouseconfig"?
>
> --
> Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
> Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
> ID # 123538
>
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Viva Zapata!
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Before you buy.
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are you happy with RH 7.0?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:52:25 -0700
I am slightly not happy upgrading from RH6.2 to RH7.0, my printer/efax
did not survive the upgrade.
Gnome for non-root that died while I upgraded it with HelixCode is still
not fixed after upgrading to RH7.0 (I don't blame RH7.0
for that).
But the improvements to me are worth it.
RH7.0 now can use the last 20G of my 40G. RH6.2 could not format the
last 20G of my 40G with MaxBlast disk overlay set to look like a 2G hard
drive.
xcdroast can now erase my CD-RW.
The clock does not go back 7 hours when my computer puts my monitor and
harddisk goes to sleep.
gzip and tar does not core dump when handling big files. Still have a
2G limit.
If I have time, I will salvage the harddisk and perform a clean install
of RH7.0 and put all my stuff back.
Carl Benson wrote:
> I finally got all my systems upgraded to RH 6.2 plus patches,
> some with kernel 2.2.16. Along came RH 7.0, and I thought I
> ought to get cracking and try it out.
>
> After upgrading my desktop system to 7.0, I felt that
>
> (1) "Sawfish" is damned annoying compared to "Enlightenment",
> and I wouldn't want to have to explain it to my user community.
>
> (2) In general, everything seemed to run slower.
>
> (3) There was no huge jump in the kernel version.
>
> Being the fickle guy I am, I pulled the plug on that and
> re-installed RH 6.2. I'm happy again.
>
> What I want to know is, are you happy with RH 7.0? Do you
> feel like it was a substantial and worthwhile improvement
> over 6.2?
>
> If you administer multiple (like 10 or more) Linux systems,
> do you plan to upgrade them to 7.0, or are you maybe going
> to wait for 7.1?
>
> --
> Carl Benson Unix/Linux System Administrator
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